Watson's shoulder
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God love ya Tia for all the in depth analysis, but I’m a bottom line type of guy.
I’m specifically calling out the play calling vs the Stoolers.
Let’s look at those game stats:
Why in the hell would you have Watson drop back and pass forty times, when we were running all over them?
The final drop-back was the fumble for a TD. In short, the Browns didn't know the enemy and they knew themselves even less. I'm not impressed with this offense. We're gonna play SF next that has a very organized offense where there's a route receiving tree for those lining up on their perimeter. The reason that's important is because their offense is predicated on precision, timing, and chemistry. The Browns offense is governed by confusion and who are we. While we're deciding this Cleveland QBs have been playing Santa Claus to Pittsburgh and Baltimore.
Maybe this modern game is passing me by. I don't get the sense that teams with offensive coaches that worked with Kyle Shanahan under his dad Mike Shanahan (ie: Sean McVay)or later just under Kyle (Mike McDaniel and Matt LaFleur) have the big time difficulty teaching and orchestrating the offense. QB Brock Purdy was the very last player drafted in 2022 out of Iowa State. As a rookie QB Purdy replaced injured starter Jimmy Garoppolo and SF won that game as well as the 8 games Purdy started thereafter. He actually accomplished this quickly enough to be THE guy ahead of SF's previous 3rd overall pick Trey Lance. He got them all the way to the NFC Championship.
Here the Browns are on offense trying to figure out who they are and where they want to go with things. How about a philosophy to -set the foundation. The Browns are better at running the ball instead of passing it. Foundation set. Now, COMMIT to it , KICKASS and watch playaction passes work once you do so.
The window is slamming down on Stefanski before he loses the team whether it's him orchestrating or Front Office Depo overstepping his bounds like our FO did back when they pissed off Kyle Shanahan when he was our OC.
Bottom line: The Offensive Coach/Coaches in charge of the design of this offense, the game planning and the play-calling is failing. How many years do we need to keep excusing the guy in charge of the offense. Schwartz just got here and they're so much further along. Our STs Coordinator just started and that's improved. When you have the right guy in charge - you improve. When you don't? Here we are complaining about the offense again. You don't say...
The final drop-back was the fumble for a TD. In short, the Browns didn't know the enemy and they knew themselves even less. I'm not impressed with this offense. We're gonna play SF next that has a very organized offense where there's a route receiving tree for those lining up on their perimeter. The reason that's important is because their offense is predicated on precision, timing, and chemistry. The Browns offense is governed by confusion and who are we. While we're deciding this Cleveland QBs have been playing Santa Claus to Pittsburgh and Baltimore.
Maybe this modern game is passing me by. I don't get the sense that teams with offensive coaches that worked with Kyle Shanahan under his dad Mike Shanahan (ie: Sean McVay)or later just under Kyle (Mike McDaniel and Matt LaFleur) have the big time difficulty teaching and orchestrating the offense. QB Brock Purdy was the very last player drafted in 2022 out of Iowa State. As a rookie QB Purdy replaced injured starter Jimmy Garoppolo and SF won that game as well as the 8 games Purdy started thereafter. He actually accomplished this quickly enough to be THE guy ahead of SF's previous 3rd overall pick Trey Lance. He got them all the way to the NFC Championship.
Here the Browns are on offense trying to figure out who they are and where they want to go with things. How about a philosophy to -set the foundation. The Browns are better at running the ball instead of passing it. Foundation set. Now, COMMIT to it , KICKASS and watch playaction passes work once you do so.
The window is slamming down on Stefanski before he loses the team whether it's him orchestrating or Front Office Depo overstepping his bounds like our FO did back when they pissed off Kyle Shanahan when he was our OC.
Bottom line: The Offensive Coach/Coaches in charge of the design of this offense, the game planning and the play-calling is failing. How many years do we need to keep excusing the guy in charge of the offense. Schwartz just got here and they're so much further along. Our STs Coordinator just started and that's improved. When you have the right guy in charge - you improve. When you don't? Here we are complaining about the offense again. You don't say...
Hitting the nail on the head here.
Just want to add about Shanny…I watched Niners Cards and you hear a lot about Shanny’s system and play calls. It is about his players too. The Cards were allergic to the flats all game and didn’t account for CMC. So he has success and it is back to the well time and time again. He needs a big play there it is 3 and 7 he gets 9 yards. He uses his playmakers and calls on them in key situations and senses the confusion and lack of execution on the defenses part to account for the flats and the 49ers best athlete. It is not Mitchell trying to make that play - he has CMC in there knowing he can beat the defender to the edge.
I know it’s tempting sometimes for the smart guys to think of plays- throwing in a wrinkle to break tendencies but sometimes it is just about players and exploiting the opposing teams weakness to account for a player or a physical/athletic mismatch.
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I don't really blame the kid for having a bad outing his first game in the NFL against one of the better defenses. It's not like our defense would have performed up to the reputation even with a healthy Watson. But if we are calling plays it require him to take off and run this is what we get. If it's a rotator cuff time to get used to DTR.
WSS
There are no excuses in the NFL. Stefanski didn't do DTR any favors, but most of his throws weren't even in the same zip code as the receiver.
Stefanski didn't do DTR any favors, but most of his throws weren't even in the same zip code as the receiver.
Yeah, he was in way over his head yesterday.
The defense showed up to play very early on; and the home crowd was enjoying it. However, how long were they getting to rest after they stopped Baltimore?
A key point. The D was well rested and ready to go against the Titans. The offense did a good job against a pretty good D.
Chubb is out, and we just so happened to start a raw, rookie 5th round QB on top of it. Anybody expecting anything less than a physical grind of a loss was fooling themselves.
Thank you! As soon as I turned on the TV and saw our QB, I knew we were screwed and in for a long, painful afternoon.
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What I don't get, is watson was medically cleared to play, but stefunksy held him out. That's after letting/having baker stupidly play with a sling on his shoulder........??
The ratbirds have the #7 defense in the NFL, per
https://sportsnaut.com/nfl-defense-rankings/
seems this hc has no clue, his instincts suck.
The 49ers are #1...
followed by the
#2 Cowboys
#3 Jets
#4 Bills
#5 Browns
Browns vs 49ners?
https://sportsnaut.com/nfl-offense-rankings/
the niners also have...the #1 ranked offense, too.
going to be one hell of a clash.
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God love ya Tia for all the in depth analysis, but I’m a bottom line type of guy.
I’m specifically calling out the play calling vs the Stoolers.
Let’s look at those game stats:
Why in the hell would you have Watson drop back and pass forty times, when we were running all over them?
The final drop-back was the fumble for a TD. In short, the Browns didn't know the enemy and they knew themselves even less. I'm not impressed with this offense. We're gonna play SF next that has a very organized offense where there's a route receiving tree for those lining up on their perimeter. The reason that's important is because their offense is predicated on precision, timing, and chemistry. The Browns offense is governed by confusion and who are we. While we're deciding this Cleveland QBs have been playing Santa Claus to Pittsburgh and Baltimore.
Maybe this modern game is passing me by. I don't get the sense that teams with offensive coaches that worked with Kyle Shanahan under his dad Mike Shanahan (ie: Sean McVay)or later just under Kyle (Mike McDaniel and Matt LaFleur) have the big time difficulty teaching and orchestrating the offense. QB Brock Purdy was the very last player drafted in 2022 out of Iowa State. As a rookie QB Purdy replaced injured starter Jimmy Garoppolo and SF won that game as well as the 8 games Purdy started thereafter. He actually accomplished this quickly enough to be THE guy ahead of SF's previous 3rd overall pick Trey Lance. He got them all the way to the NFC Championship.
Here the Browns are on offense trying to figure out who they are and where they want to go with things. How about a philosophy to -set the foundation. The Browns are better at running the ball instead of passing it. Foundation set. Now, COMMIT to it , KICKASS and watch playaction passes work once you do so.
The window is slamming down on Stefanski before he loses the team whether it's him orchestrating or Front Office Depo overstepping his bounds like our FO did back when they pissed off Kyle Shanahan when he was our OC.
Bottom line: The Offensive Coach/Coaches in charge of the design of this offense, the game planning and the play-calling is failing. How many years do we need to keep excusing the guy in charge of the offense. Schwartz just got here and they're so much further along. Our STs Coordinator just started and that's improved. When you have the right guy in charge - you improve. When you don't? Here we are complaining about the offense again. You don't say...
The final drop-back was the fumble for a TD. In short, the Browns didn't know the enemy and they knew themselves even less. I'm not impressed with this offense. We're gonna play SF next that has a very organized offense where there's a route receiving tree for those lining up on their perimeter. The reason that's important is because their offense is predicated on precision, timing, and chemistry. The Browns offense is governed by confusion and who are we. While we're deciding this Cleveland QBs have been playing Santa Claus to Pittsburgh and Baltimore.
Maybe this modern game is passing me by. I don't get the sense that teams with offensive coaches that worked with Kyle Shanahan under his dad Mike Shanahan (ie: Sean McVay)or later just under Kyle (Mike McDaniel and Matt LaFleur) have the big time difficulty teaching and orchestrating the offense. QB Brock Purdy was the very last player drafted in 2022 out of Iowa State. As a rookie QB Purdy replaced injured starter Jimmy Garoppolo and SF won that game as well as the 8 games Purdy started thereafter. He actually accomplished this quickly enough to be THE guy ahead of SF's previous 3rd overall pick Trey Lance. He got them all the way to the NFC Championship.
Here the Browns are on offense trying to figure out who they are and where they want to go with things. How about a philosophy to -set the foundation. The Browns are better at running the ball instead of passing it. Foundation set. Now, COMMIT to it , KICKASS and watch playaction passes work once you do so.
The window is slamming down on Stefanski before he loses the team whether it's him orchestrating or Front Office Depo overstepping his bounds like our FO did back when they pissed off Kyle Shanahan when he was our OC.
Bottom line: The Offensive Coach/Coaches in charge of the design of this offense, the game planning and the play-calling is failing. How many years do we need to keep excusing the guy in charge of the offense. Schwartz just got here and they're so much further along. Our STs Coordinator just started and that's improved. When you have the right guy in charge - you improve. When you don't? Here we are complaining about the offense again. You don't say...
Absolutely Flugs!
I hate to keep bringing up the Stoolers game but that loss stung, the Browns gave that one away.
The more I watch this overpaid offense flail around under Stefanski, the more I’m coming to terms that this will probably be another mediocre season.
If we finish 7-10 I fully expect a HC change.
Two things that will define you: Your determination when you have nothing. Your attitude when you have everything. - Mike McCartney -
The final drop-back was the fumble for a TD. In short, the Browns didn't know the enemy and they knew themselves even less. I'm not impressed with this offense. We're gonna play SF next that has a very organized offense where there's a route receiving tree for those lining up on their perimeter. The reason that's important is because their offense is predicated on precision, timing, and chemistry. The Browns offense is governed by confusion and who are we. While we're deciding this Cleveland QBs have been playing Santa Claus to Pittsburgh and Baltimore.
Maybe this modern game is passing me by. I don't get the sense that teams with offensive coaches that worked with Kyle Shanahan under his dad Mike Shanahan (ie: Sean McVay)or later just under Kyle (Mike McDaniel and Matt LaFleur) have the big time difficulty teaching and orchestrating the offense. QB Brock Purdy was the very last player drafted in 2022 out of Iowa State. As a rookie QB Purdy replaced injured starter Jimmy Garoppolo and SF won that game as well as the 8 games Purdy started thereafter. He actually accomplished this quickly enough to be THE guy ahead of SF's previous 3rd overall pick Trey Lance. He got them all the way to the NFC Championship.
Here the Browns are on offense trying to figure out who they are and where they want to go with things. How about a philosophy to -set the foundation. The Browns are better at running the ball instead of passing it. Foundation set. Now, COMMIT to it , KICKASS and watch playaction passes work once you do so.
The window is slamming down on Stefanski before he loses the team whether it's him orchestrating or Front Office Depo overstepping his bounds like our FO did back when they pissed off Kyle Shanahan when he was our OC.
Bottom line: The Offensive Coach/Coaches in charge of the design of this offense, the game planning and the play-calling is failing. How many years do we need to keep excusing the guy in charge of the offense. Schwartz just got here and they're so much further along. Our STs Coordinator just started and that's improved. When you have the right guy in charge - you improve. When you don't? Here we are complaining about the offense again. You don't say...
Absolutely Flugs!
I hate to keep bringing up the Stoolers game but that loss stung, the Browns gave that one away.
The more I watch this overpaid offense flail around under Stefanski, the more I’m coming to terms that this will probably be another mediocre season.
If we finish 7-10 I fully expect a HC change.
a HC change.
for who ? and what front office ?
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Bottom line: The Offensive Coach/Coaches in charge of the design of this offense, the game planning and the play-calling is failing. How many years do we need to keep excusing the guy in charge of the offense. Schwartz just got here and they're so much further along. Our STs Coordinator just started and that's improved. When you have the right guy in charge - you improve. When you don't? Here we are complaining about the offense again. You don't say...
I'm more concerned that the Steelers and Ravens exposed the Browns for being such a Charmin' soft team.
I could almost understand this team being a finesse team if they were a really intelligent team, but they show over and over that they aren't a smart team either.
I'm more concerned that the Steelers and Ravens exposed the Browns for being such a Charmin' soft team.
I could almost understand this team being a finesse team if they were a really intelligent team, but they show over and over that they aren't a smart team either.
You can always tell the commentators that haven't done their homework when they cover the Browns for the 1st time in a while. They'll say Cleveland has one of the best Offensive Lines in football, which was accurate at one time. As much as I think Teller is a good run blocker - he has been an absolute liability in pass pro. You NEVER give up your inside in pass pro especially when you have a DT lined up on your inside shoulder when your QB is trying to throw a quick pass from the pocket. That should be a piece of cake if you're a Pro Bowl Guard. Teller had a few breakdowns in pass pro and last year he got busted for holding more than he should have. Pocic is playing hurt; and that has him not up to snuff too for a team wanting to win their division or at least compete to do so. I think Nick Harris is a GOOD Center and an upgrade to an injured Pocic. Harris is a far better Center than he is as an OG. Center puts him on the apex and he's very quick at establishing ideal position and leverage when he's snapping the ball. He's not one to overpower some of the 350lbs+ guys; but sometimes all you have to do in that interior is get there 1st and shield off. He's very good at that IMO. He got his football potty training at Center so that's why I don't worry about how he play's OG. The Wypler Snapper can be the backup Guard. Our Tackles are getting beat right out of their stances in pass pro and I don't care if one of them went to Ohio State. That ain't gonna win anything here if he has more chins than a Chinese phone book. Gotta be able to move in this league or your going to be one of the reasons defenses like Pittsburgh and Baltimore are forcing turnovers and/or scoring TDs on our offense.
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The final drop-back was the fumble for a TD. In short, the Browns didn't know the enemy and they knew themselves even less. I'm not impressed with this offense. We're gonna play SF next that has a very organized offense where there's a route receiving tree for those lining up on their perimeter. The reason that's important is because their offense is predicated on precision, timing, and chemistry. The Browns offense is governed by confusion and who are we. While we're deciding this Cleveland QBs have been playing Santa Claus to Pittsburgh and Baltimore.
Maybe this modern game is passing me by. I don't get the sense that teams with offensive coaches that worked with Kyle Shanahan under his dad Mike Shanahan (ie: Sean McVay)or later just under Kyle (Mike McDaniel and Matt LaFleur) have the big time difficulty teaching and orchestrating the offense. QB Brock Purdy was the very last player drafted in 2022 out of Iowa State. As a rookie QB Purdy replaced injured starter Jimmy Garoppolo and SF won that game as well as the 8 games Purdy started thereafter. He actually accomplished this quickly enough to be THE guy ahead of SF's previous 3rd overall pick Trey Lance. He got them all the way to the NFC Championship.
Here the Browns are on offense trying to figure out who they are and where they want to go with things. How about a philosophy to -set the foundation. The Browns are better at running the ball instead of passing it. Foundation set. Now, COMMIT to it , KICKASS and watch playaction passes work once you do so.
The window is slamming down on Stefanski before he loses the team whether it's him orchestrating or Front Office Depo overstepping his bounds like our FO did back when they pissed off Kyle Shanahan when he was our OC.
Bottom line: The Offensive Coach/Coaches in charge of the design of this offense, the game planning and the play-calling is failing. How many years do we need to keep excusing the guy in charge of the offense. Schwartz just got here and they're so much further along. Our STs Coordinator just started and that's improved. When you have the right guy in charge - you improve. When you don't? Here we are complaining about the offense again. You don't say...
Absolutely Flugs!
I hate to keep bringing up the Stoolers game but that loss stung, the Browns gave that one away.
The more I watch this overpaid offense flail around under Stefanski, the more I’m coming to terms that this will probably be another mediocre season.
If we finish 7-10 I fully expect a HC change.
Absolutely Flugs!
I hate to keep bringing up the Stoolers game but that loss stung, the Browns gave that one away.
The more I watch this overpaid offense flail around under Stefanski, the more I’m coming to terms that this will probably be another mediocre season.
If we finish 7-10 I fully expect a HC change.
Thanks CD! I'm starting to wonder if Bill Callahan is getting frustrated with all the mathletics/analytics from the Poindexters Committee dictating what the Browns are attempting to do next in lieu of understanding the human performance unfolding in front of them. If National Lampoon is looking for a Revenge of the Revenge of the Nerds sequel - Welcome to Cleveland!
It's 1 big fart in church!
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Bottom line: The Offensive Coach/Coaches in charge of the design of this offense, the game planning and the play-calling is failing. How many years do we need to keep excusing the guy in charge of the offense. Schwartz just got here and they're so much further along. Our STs Coordinator just started and that's improved. When you have the right guy in charge - you improve. When you don't? Here we are complaining about the offense again. You don't say...
I'm more concerned that the Steelers and Ravens exposed the Browns for being such a Charmin' soft team.
I could almost understand this team being a finesse team if they were a really intelligent team, but they show over and over that they aren't a smart team either.
I'm more concerned that the Steelers and Ravens exposed the Browns for being such a Charmin' soft team.
I could almost understand this team being a finesse team if they were a really intelligent team, but they show over and over that they aren't a smart team either.
If there's 1 thing I can nit-pick about the defense during all of their improvements in games our offense gives them reasonable rest between series - I'd like to see a few more turnovers or strip sacks forced. The INT for Baltimore is what changed the complexion of that game. Against Pittsburgh, Highsmith's INT gave Pitt early momentum Cleveland worked hard to reverse. Then, their kill shot was the strip sack from an untouched Highsmith that caused the football to makes it's way over to the unblocked TJ Watt for the easiest TD they scored all night. SF won't be studying statistics - they'll be watching film of the Browns vulnerabilities on the edges and even up the middle the Rats exposed. They don't need numbers or statistics - it's all there on film. BTW, Kyle Shanahan likes to keep his dad's old school football going so he'll be watching our defense on film and paying attention the the what and why on 3rd downs, short yardage and red zones. They'll find trends. They'll watch football and investigate situational responses to get their answers.
In all that analytic data they have - I'm not impressed how it prepared the offensive game plan for Pittsburgh. Old school uses film to study opponents - the Browns don't do this on offense. That said, Schwartz is old school so we don't have to worry about the mathletics replacing the athletics on that side of the ball just yet. Belichick gave him his NFL potty training in Cleveland so we're seeing what's possible and just scratching the surface of where they can go.
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The biggest issue wasn't so much the front on the Dline itself, but when we went to gap exchange or our LB"s had to scrape against the read. They missed quite a few tackles early. Once that got cleaned up, defense started to settle in after that body shock of a 2nd qtr.
At any point, just don't say dumb shit like this. You're either oblivious to how good the Titans DEF can be, or just... I don't know - maybe it's autism.
A lot of what was done yesterday was to combat the fact that BLT showed up in quarters instead of their usual 3 deep looks. Something I didn't expect. They really took a lot of the vertical stuff and left Njoku and the RB's room to roam, even against RoQuan. Sadly, DTR went to these options way late, time and time again. Speaking of, I was getting Dairy Queen when you called, I'll get back to you later bubs.
The Jets passed early and often against the Chiefs last night. For many, that's against 'conventional' wisdom with a struggling QB. But it worked for them. Granted, Zach Wilson isn't a rookie, but he isn't good either. Chiefs ended up blitzing and man coveraged themselves into real trouble and are lucky to have won that game last night. The best way to help a young QB, is to keep him out of traditional passing situations. Especially when we consider the trouble our Oline is facing right now. Trouble that now includes Teller being a liability in straight drop pass pro. Whatever grades he has been getting for the positive, have been offset by that right there.
Browns have been top 5 every year except one, in NFL rushing attempts under Stef. The two biggest names above us are teams that use their QB's as the +1 in the running game as the great equalizer. And we currently sit at 5th in rushing attempts now as well.
So..... yeah. Hating the run would be having Austin Eckler and Justin Jackson, but only being 28th in rushing attempts.
Stroud is currently 3rd in YPA/passing. Yesterday he was just over a 50% clip. Apart from the backside RPO to Nico on the TD, most of what the Texans did was incredibly similar to what the Niners did and what the Browns tried to do, I presume you saw how many empty sets they ran? They even hit a stick/out early that DIDN"T go for a pick six. Crazy shit, huh? The differences between those 3 teams? - Check pressure rates allowed by the Oline. *hint, Browns are leading in a not-good way*. Hell, the Texans passed as much as they ran on 1st and 3rd yesterday. Wasn't like it was just "DERP, RUN". Watt was taken care of just enough to not fuck their offensive game plan.
NOTHING with this team has changed since week 1 for the positive. The Oline has become worse because of injury and diminished play from Teller. The RB situation is what it is because Chubb is out, and we just so happened to start a raw, rookie 5th round QB on top of it. Anybody expecting anything less than a physical grind of a loss was fooling themselves. I get we wanted to 'look' competitive, and we've seen young QB's have success against the Browns before, but that's generally in incredibly favorable situations. Such as having the worst DL in the NFL or having an offense that just hands the ball right back over.
What's on the coaches has continued to be on the coaches - finding higher percentage throws faster against defenses they're seeing. Not being too over-reliant or under-reliant on the screen game. Or worse, as we saw yesterday from Roquan Smith, going for the screen game on later downs when A) he's one of the best in the NFL at eaing them alive and b) it's sort of expected. That I hold against Stef. The screen game could have been more prominent on the early downs, but when that is so wrapped up in setting up success passing games off simple concepts and the timing, it's difficult to execute those screens when the routine stuff is a problem.
When the Browns win it's *coaches did good* when the Browns lose it's *FIRE EVERYBODY*. This place, and the bulk of the posters here, are no different than anywhere else.
Let me make clear though, that's not a current endorsement of Stef, Musgrave and Van Pelt. There are things they can, and I hope WILL, be doing much better.
edit: Money where my mouth was - took Browns team UNDER at 18.5 points yesterday. Let's be practical here. But I'm warning all of you, BYE week or not, I'm struggling to see any scenario where this team beats San Fran. They're healthy and right now the best team in the NFL. Just hoping for no further personnel losses and an offense that continues to build and show some progression under Watson. Right now, focus on the AFCN and securing a wild card spot. Everything else is a cherry on top. The offensive roster currently isn't ready to contend.
God love ya Tia for all the in depth analysis, but I’m a bottom line type of guy.
I’m specifically calling out the play calling vs the Stoolers.
Let’s look at those game stats:
Why in the hell would you have Watson drop back and pass forty times, when we were running all over them?
God love ya Tia for all the in depth analysis, but I’m a bottom line type of guy.
I’m specifically calling out the play calling vs the Stoolers.
Let’s look at those game stats:
Why in the hell would you have Watson drop back and pass forty times, when we were running all over them?
Unfortunately what you're attempting to do isn't possible. Because if you're going just of stats alone, as a "bottom line guy", then it'll grieve you to know that the Browns play calls looked like this in the 1st half v PIT.
18 pass 16 Runs w/o the 2 min drill
27pass and 18run with the 2 minute drill for the FG before half.
Out of reference, I wanted to see how the Niners play calls contrasted with ours. Being that they were week 1, and the coaches would look to that film for a blueprint.
18pass 17 runs w/o the 2 min drill
Once at the 2 minute mark, it was 21pass to 17 run. They just had more favorable field position to get in FG range.
San Fran's rushing totals....
Rushing 188 Rushing Attempts 34 Yards per rush 5.5 You can't just go "Stats" and not ask how we arrived at said stats.
The biggest difference?
- Niners averaged almost a full yard per play more than CLE.
- Passing averages were 4.6 to 5.9. So when the Niners went to push the ball downfield, they had more success after setting it up with the running game and short passes. Which leads to the next stat...
- 8 Penalties, 4 turnovers and 6 sacks given up by CLE v 11 Penalties, 1 turnover and 3 sacks given up.
That's a 4:1 and 2:1 ratio higher. It isn't sustainable for any team.
If you want to be the "bottom line" guy of stats that's fine, then you have to be willing to die by the sword you're living on. The Browns run to pass balance was within 1 play of San Fran before the 2min warning at the end of each half began to tip those in the obvious direction. I don't think we're willing to argue against the results SF had, despite their self inflicted penalties, they kicked ass. But they also protected their QB and didn't allow a defensive score.
If I looked further into it, I'd be willing to wager Houston's stats look incredibly similar. If the turnovers are FG's at minimum, or at worst NOT a pick 6, then you're looking at 29ish... pass attempts and a near 10point lead in the 4th qtr.
Like I mentioned that Tuesday afterwards, the game boiled down to turnovers and pass protection. Like we saw against a different opponent this past Sunday, turnovers (including damn near another pick six) and pass protection. There is one constant in this equation - and it must be fixed by the coaches as much as possible if the personnel simply isn't getting it done.
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I know the link was posted before, but a bit cleaner: https://apnews.com/article/deshaun-watson-shoulder-injury-cleveland-browns-e0a7c8567b09d32d8b770f1b13feb84a
I'm sorry man, going into a bye and a huge early game it sits really shitty with me. You had Carr go with a bum shoulder, Burrow with his calf, and a dude medically cleared to play chooses not to. I'm not naive or aloof to the world not being a movie, but tough to swallow.
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I know the link was posted before, but a bit cleaner: https://apnews.com/article/deshaun-watson-shoulder-injury-cleveland-browns-e0a7c8567b09d32d8b770f1b13feb84a
I'm sorry man, going into a bye and a huge early game it sits really shitty with me. You had Carr go with a bum shoulder, Burrow with his calf, and a dude medically cleared to play chooses not to. I'm not naive or aloof to the world not being a movie, but tough to swallow.
I know the link was posted before, but a bit cleaner: https://apnews.com/article/deshaun-watson-shoulder-injury-cleveland-browns-e0a7c8567b09d32d8b770f1b13feb84a
I'm sorry man, going into a bye and a huge early game it sits really shitty with me. You had Carr go with a bum shoulder, Burrow with his calf, and a dude medically cleared to play chooses not to. I'm not naive or aloof to the world not being a movie, but tough to swallow.
Business decision... gotta be healthy to spend all that guaranteed money. Give me 53 on the final year of their contracts any day.
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God love ya Tia for all the in depth analysis, but I’m a bottom line type of guy.
I’m specifically calling out the play calling vs the Stoolers.
Let’s look at those game stats:
Why in the hell would you have Watson drop back and pass forty times, when we were running all over them?
Unfortunately what you're attempting to do isn't possible. Because if you're going just of stats alone, as a "bottom line guy", then it'll grieve you to know that the Browns play calls looked like this in the 1st half v PIT.
18 pass 16 Runs w/o the 2 min drill
27pass and 18run with the 2 minute drill for the FG before half.
Out of reference, I wanted to see how the Niners play calls contrasted with ours. Being that they were week 1, and the coaches would look to that film for a blueprint.
18pass 17 runs w/o the 2 min drill
Once at the 2 minute mark, it was 21pass to 17 run. They just had more favorable field position to get in FG range.
San Fran's rushing totals....
Rushing 188 Rushing Attempts 34 Yards per rush 5.5 You can't just go "Stats" and not ask how we arrived at said stats.
The biggest difference?
- Niners averaged almost a full yard per play more than CLE.
- Passing averages were 4.6 to 5.9. So when the Niners went to push the ball downfield, they had more success after setting it up with the running game and short passes. Which leads to the next stat...
- 8 Penalties, 4 turnovers and 6 sacks given up by CLE v 11 Penalties, 1 turnover and 3 sacks given up.
That's a 4:1 and 2:1 ratio higher. It isn't sustainable for any team.
If you want to be the "bottom line" guy of stats that's fine, then you have to be willing to die by the sword you're living on. The Browns run to pass balance was within 1 play of San Fran before the 2min warning at the end of each half began to tip those in the obvious direction. I don't think we're willing to argue against the results SF had, despite their self inflicted penalties, they kicked ass. But they also protected their QB and didn't allow a defensive score.
If I looked further into it, I'd be willing to wager Houston's stats look incredibly similar. If the turnovers are FG's at minimum, or at worst NOT a pick 6, then you're looking at 29ish... pass attempts and a near 10point lead in the 4th qtr.
Like I mentioned that Tuesday afterwards, the game boiled down to turnovers and pass protection. Like we saw against a different opponent this past Sunday, turnovers (including damn near another pick six) and pass protection. There is one constant in this equation - and it must be fixed by the coaches as much as possible if the personnel simply isn't getting it done.
Unfortunately what you're attempting to do isn't possible. Because if you're going just of stats alone, as a "bottom line guy", then it'll grieve you to know that the Browns play calls looked like this in the 1st half v PIT.
A balanced offensive attack is great in theory, provided a team is having equal amounts of success, both running and passing.
With both of our offensive tackles looking like matadors during that game, it brought back memories of when Mayfield was being used as a piñata. Only this time it was DW, and the results were the same. I don’t think Kev knows how to make in game adjustments to counter the opposition when they pin their ears back and rush the QB.
The biggest difference?
4 turnovers and 6 sacks given up by CLE
Right, turnovers and sacks were the big difference in that game. It’s sure as hell wasn’t the Stoolers #29 ranked offense that was winning the game. It was the 4 & 5 step drop backs by DW that was feeding points to Shittsburgh. It seemed like the entire 2nd half Watson was running for his life after every snap. I don’t blame Watson, I blame pass protection and the play calling….again.
The Browns run to pass balance was within 1 play of San Fran before the 2min warning at the end of each half began to tip those in the obvious direction.
Again, in theory balance is fine if both aspects are working. What describes doing the same thing over and over and expecting different outcomes? ? I’m not against passing the ball, but the QB taking deep drop backs needs to change in that situation.
But they also protected their QB.
Yes they did, but for some reason the Browns can’t…different game same outcome.
Like I mentioned that Tuesday afterwards, the game boiled down to turnovers and pass protection. Like we saw against a different opponent this past Sunday, turnovers (including damn near another pick six) and pass protection. There is one constant in this equation - and it must be fixed by the coaches as much as possible if the personnel simply isn't getting it done.
Agreed, if I were the head coach and couldn’t protect my QB, I would say screw the balance I’m going to run the ball more and throw in some quick passes.
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I don't think we can blame Watson for not playing. Many of us crucified Baker for playing when he couldn't perform. Watson didn't/couldn't throw all week, was visibly not ok, and yet our coaching staff acted surprised he couldn't throw and play. Listen, I said on WEDNESDAY he wouldn't play. It's a SHOULDER. More to come later, have to work. Lol
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I don't think we can blame Watson for not playing. Many of us crucified Baker for playing when he couldn't perform. Watson didn't/couldn't throw all week, was visibly not ok, and yet our coaching staff acted surprised he couldn't throw and play. Listen, I said on WEDNESDAY he wouldn't play. It's a SHOULDER. More to come later, have to work. Lol
I don't think we can blame Watson for not playing. Many of us crucified Baker for playing when he couldn't perform. Watson didn't/couldn't throw all week, was visibly not ok, and yet our coaching staff acted surprised he couldn't throw and play. Listen, I said on WEDNESDAY he wouldn't play. It's a SHOULDER. More to come later, have to work. Lol
Eh- If there's fluid in the shoulder or it's a bad bruise, I get it. I know it's easy to compare this to Mayfield and how in retrospect he probably should have sat. But the fact the Browns are being so "mum" leads me to a place where the dude could have played, but said no (which Stefanski did confirm that he shut himself down despite being medically cleared).
Meanwhile, you have Derek Carr with a confirmed AC Joint Sprain who laced them up. It's pretty hard to not rationally go to a place where he could have played, and didn't. If that's the case, I'm not going to have ill feelings about questioning the toughness of the highest paid, most important player of the team.
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if this is correct…I believe Stefanski reported he was medically cleared to play…did someone else say this? Stefanski is typically careful with his words probably too careful to a fault. Why ignite this situation with “he was cleared but the he determined he couldn’t go”. Probably not the perception you need to put out there to what is believed to be a mentally fragile player.
Im going to guess Probably half of our roster would suit it up if the doctors said “I don’t know”. They are playing for their next contract so of course something like this may not sit well with them.
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I don't think we can blame Watson for not playing. Many of us crucified Baker for playing when he couldn't perform. Watson didn't/couldn't throw all week, was visibly not ok, and yet our coaching staff acted surprised he couldn't throw and play. Listen, I said on WEDNESDAY he wouldn't play. It's a SHOULDER. More to come later, have to work. Lol
Eh- If there's fluid in the shoulder or it's a bad bruise, I get it. I know it's easy to compare this to Mayfield and how in retrospect he probably should have sat. But the fact the Browns are being so "mum" leads me to a place where the dude could have played, but said no (which Stefanski did confirm that he shut himself down despite being medically cleared).
Meanwhile, you have Derek Carr with a confirmed AC Joint Sprain who laced them up. It's pretty hard to not rationally go to a place where he could have played, and didn't. If that's the case, I'm not going to have ill feelings about questioning the toughness of the highest paid, most important player of the team.
Eh- If there's fluid in the shoulder or it's a bad bruise, I get it. I know it's easy to compare this to Mayfield and how in retrospect he probably should have sat. But the fact the Browns are being so "mum" leads me to a place where the dude could have played, but said no (which Stefanski did confirm that he shut himself down despite being medically cleared).
Meanwhile, you have Derek Carr with a confirmed AC Joint Sprain who laced them up. It's pretty hard to not rationally go to a place where he could have played, and didn't. If that's the case, I'm not going to have ill feelings about questioning the toughness of the highest paid, most important player of the team.
Watson is beyond tough. He expected to play and his body betrayed him. He COULDN'T throw, it wasn't a pain thing. Anyone who saw the video of him throwing could tell it wasn't right. It's why I said during the week he would t play. No zip equals no play. This is the same guy who played with a deflated lung. He wasn't cleared for air travel due to the variation of pressure, so he drove many hours to play in his next game. Watson can be accused of many things, but he doesn't miss games.
The fault is squarely on Berry AND Stefanski. If I knew he couldn't play, coach should have, too. He should have had a better game plan, instead coach had NOTHING for DTR. It was embarrassing.
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if this is correct…I believe Stefanski reported he was medically cleared to play…did someone else say this? Stefanski is typically careful with his words probably too careful to a fault. Why ignite this situation with “he was cleared but the he determined he couldn’t go”. Probably not the perception you need to put out there to what is believed to be a mentally fragile player.
Im going to guess Probably half of our roster would suit it up if the doctors said “I don’t know”. They are playing for their next contract so of course something like this may not sit well with them.
if this is correct…I believe Stefanski reported he was medically cleared to play…did someone else say this? Stefanski is typically careful with his words probably too careful to a fault. Why ignite this situation with “he was cleared but the he determined he couldn’t go”. Probably not the perception you need to put out there to what is believed to be a mentally fragile player.
Im going to guess Probably half of our roster would suit it up if the doctors said “I don’t know”. They are playing for their next contract so of course something like this may not sit well with them.
That was just strange how it all unfolded. There has to be more to this story. And then there's the Njoku getting burns on his neck and face at home that also happened very late in the week.
There's some asses on the line here this year. Looking at this offense, when they're losing to teams they're finally supposed to be beating/handling via "the plan" - it looks like a fire drill in a Chicken Coop. If the OWNER can ever do the right thing - he needs to have the balls to get Depodesta out of here so his offensive staff can do their job without his interference. If he doesn't have the balls - it's another year of "same old Browns."
We deserve way better!
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I don't think we can blame Watson for not playing. Many of us crucified Baker for playing when he couldn't perform. Watson didn't/couldn't throw all week, was visibly not ok, and yet our coaching staff acted surprised he couldn't throw and play. Listen, I said on WEDNESDAY he wouldn't play. It's a SHOULDER. More to come later, have to work. Lol
I don't think we can blame Watson for not playing. Many of us crucified Baker for playing when he couldn't perform. Watson didn't/couldn't throw all week, was visibly not ok, and yet our coaching staff acted surprised he couldn't throw and play. Listen, I said on WEDNESDAY he wouldn't play. It's a SHOULDER. More to come later, have to work. Lol
Matt Hasselback said he had the same injury Baker had on the non-throwing shoulder and it was the worst season of his career. Messed up his mechanics and kept him antsy.
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It’s a bad take that Watson was cleared so should play. Throwing shoulder injury in game 4, struggling to throw downfield - let it heal up. Maybe if it was a division deciding game or playoff game you expect him to suffer through it, but not now.
Watson will probably miss another 1-2 games this year, and miss some snaps during games. What you really want to see is a qb2 that can step in and make smart decisions and have accurate passes beyond 10 yards.
Nobody is running away with the division after week 4… and we get 3 more division games. It’s a long season
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