Israel part 2
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PS that Americans were killed- doesn't surprise me. I'm certain at any given time, there's dozens of US religious pilgrim groups touring the sites in the Holy Land. I just hope those who are most likely still in the country are able to get out of Dodge before more missiles start flying.Â
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PS that Americans were killed- doesn't surprise me. I'm certain at any given time, there's dozens of US religious pilgrim groups touring the sites in the Holy Land. I just hope those who are most likely still in the country are able to get out of Dodge before more missiles start flying.Â
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A lot of dual citizen Americans.
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Steve, ultimately, it's because someone thought the picture below was a good idea. Really, the last domino to fall was probably Trump's Abraham Accords. With the accord, MbS and the Saudis basically washed their hands of the Palestinian cause and Palestine was the big loser from it. MbS got a ton of hate from the West because he ordered the hit of NYT journalist, but MbS also jailed thousands of the batshit crazy wahhabists and removed just about all of their influence from the Saudi government.
The Abraham Accords pushed the Palestinians even further into the corner. The only hope for the leadership in Hamas is to drag the whole Middle East into a holy war. The next few months will not be fun for anyone in Gaza, as IDF is already dropping JDAMs on residential highrises. I truly believe that Israel is targeting high value Hamas targets, but they also don't really care about the collateral damage. There are two million people in Gaza - not all of them are in Hamas (though Hamas will have a shit ton more local support after this week). There are only so many dead children the general public can stomach before someone does something about it, not to mention the Arab world. Israel will get the better of Hamas, so long as intervention is limited to Hezbollah. We will see if any other state actors decide to step in if Israel's response gets too heavy-handed. The region is still a powder keg.Â
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Palestinians and hamas hate gays and other LGBT. That alone should make liberals be against them, but they support them. Strange huh? In Gaza Gays can get the death penalty. How about that Woody??????
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Considering the kidnappings how much do you think the billions of dollars we gave Iran influenced the decision?
WSS
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Considering the kidnappings how much do you think the billions of dollars we gave Iran influenced the decision?
WSS
Considering the kidnappings how much do you think the billions of dollars we gave Iran influenced the decision?
WSS
I wouldn't be shocked if that freed up money to be funneled from other Iranian sources to Hamas. I doubt it influenced the decision nearly as much as the Ukraine/Russia war did.Â
1 - US emergency munitions stockpiles were diverted from Israel to Ukraine early in 2023, this was published by NYT
2 - They saw that an underdog in Ukraine could greatly outperform expectations and bleed the Russians hard for any ground they take
3 - They also saw the failure of a Ukrainian offensive in spite of receiving multiple western wonderweaponsÂ
4 - They saw said multi-million dollar wonderweapons lose to $100 drones and mines
5 - They saw the American public and the West in general waver on their support for Ukraine
6 - They saw western munitions supplies being used faster than they could be replacedThey saw an opening and took it. I doubt they'd have a better opportunity in the future. I just have to wonder what China is thinking seeing all of that, and now watching US politicians salivate over giving as much support as Israel needs to raze Gaza.Â
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So the ruskies and Ukraine easy enough to figure out. Russia wants the port with which to ship their Energy Products to the Europeans who despite our doing the having Lifting for their defense or happy to buy. And they don't want NATO missiles on their border.
Israel got West Bank and Georgia after they were attacked and drove out a fairly substantial bunch of enemies. They don't want Hezbollah or Islamic Jihad or Muslim Brotherhood nukes On the Border of Tel Aviv for Jerusalem. The Arabs just want to take back that land that they lost. Just for spite? What's your take boys?
WSS
MHO Steve? The Muslims and (their pagan predecessors) and our Semitic friends have have hated each other for millennia. I don't know the reason exactly why, but I don't expect it to end anytime soon. Their eventual goal is to wipe Israel off the map. What's stunning to me is the massive failure of Israel's Intelligence community. Like how in the HELL was Hamas able to smuggle thousands of rockets into the Gaza strip totally undetected? Â
Just a little dig at the GOP hardliners who want to cut off aid to Ukraine.. A FYI
"The United States already provides Israel more than $3 billion in military assistance every year, Mr. Blinken said that much of the equipment from that funding is already âin the pipelineâ to be sent to Israel. Â
Hmmmm.... Ukraine doesn't matter, but Israel does? Just sayin'.Â
Just a little dig at the GOP hardliners who want to cut off aid to Ukraine.. A FYI
Cut off aid?
You mean like making payroll for their military?
How about making pension payments to their retired military?
Thatâs not aidâŚthatâs called a blank check.
Two things that will define you: Your determination when you have nothing. Your attitude when you have everything. - Mike McCartney -
Israel gave warning to the citizens in the building they were about to strike that was storing the arms.
I find it disingenuous people keep talking about Palestine backed into a corner yet ignore the terrorist acts they are committing.
I find it disingenuous people keep talking about Palestine backed into a corner yet ignore the terrorist acts they are committing.
You mean the same way you're doing with Israel? You don't have to be a cheerleader. It's okay to say that both sides have no respect for life of people outside of their group.Â
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I'm not a cheerleader, I openly said why I don't agree with hamas and posted actual videos of the atrocities, but I never said I agree with Israel either, though it appears to me they have every right to defend themselves. At this time I really don't know enough to say Israel is wrong in any way as all I see so far is they are protecting themselves from terrorists.
Whatever you do though, Israels actions are nothing like what the hamas are doing, which is nothing short of criminal, terrorist and considered war crimes if nothing else. War will always bring collateral damage.
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I'm not a cheerleader, I openly said why I don't agree with hamas and posted actual videos of the atrocities, but I never said I agree with Israel either, though it appears to me they have every right to defend themselves. At this time I really don't know enough to say Israel is wrong in any way as all I see so far is they are protecting themselves from terrorists.
Whatever you do though, Israels actions are nothing like what the hamas are doing, which is nothing short of criminal, terrorist and considered war crimes if nothing else. War will always bring collateral damage.
I never said I agree with Israel either, though it appears to me they have every right to defend themselves. At this time I really don't know enough to say Israel is wrong in any way as all I see so far is they are protecting themselves from terrorists.
Whatever you do though, Israels actions are nothing like what the hamas are doing, which is nothing short of criminal, terrorist and considered war crimes if nothing else. War will always bring collateral damage.
I'd like to know your opinion, at what point on the graph did Israel gain every right to defend themselves?
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Those numbers exist because Israel was forced to defend themselves.
Is it bad if we look at the 200,000+ Iraqi citizens that were killed during that war? It happens, I'm not saying it's good, but it's war.
So you agree with the terrorist actions of hamas?
So you agree with the terrorist actions of hamas?
No. Please carry on with your mental gymnastics.Â
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Cut off aid?
You mean like making payroll for their military?
How about making pension payments to their retired military?
Thatâs not aidâŚthatâs called a blank check.
Source? Gateway Pundit?Â
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Cut off aid?
You mean like making payroll for their military?
How about making pension payments to their retired military?
Thatâs not aidâŚthatâs called a blank check.
Source? Gateway Pundit?Â
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No. Please carry on with your mental gymnastics.Â
Hamas are carrying out terrorist actions, how is the word gymnastics? Do you refute that?
Do you refute during our war 200,000+ Iraqi citizens were killed? Our causality rate was low compared to that number.
You're the one playing word gymnastics trying to show death tolls being out of balance with no context behind the numbers. So if we use your logic, then you must have been against your own nation in most of the wars we've been in. We entered Vietnam, supposedly, because of an attack against one of our ships. We went to war with the Taliban because they flew planes into our buildings. You've been ok with that I assume because you've never ranted about it which means you accept all the collateral damage that came with it. The problem with your argument is that you just try to paint people into a corner that if we accept this war then we must like all the killing. Things aren't that simple, I support Israel with what I know but I do not care for all the collateral damage. That's what happens when hamas hides behind the citizens to use as meatshields, and by the reactions in the streets as they parade dead bodies around, it looks like they themselves support the violence.
In an age where we had suicide bombers fly planes into our buildings I have no sympathy for terrorists or their sympathizers. In our world over here, we try to respect life and live peacefully, it's a different world over there. That's why it's discerning when people here think it's a great humanitarian accomplishment to allow the invasion of illegal aliens, especially with no regard to background checks.Â
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Cut off aid?
You mean like making payroll for their military?
How about making pension payments to their retired military?
Thatâs not aidâŚthatâs called a blank check.
Source? Gateway Pundit?Â
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No. Please carry on with your mental gymnastics.Â
Hamas are carrying out terrorist actions, how is the word gymnastics? Do you refute that?
Do you refute during our war 200,000+ Iraqi citizens were killed? Our causality rate was low compared to that number.
You're the one playing word gymnastics trying to show death tolls being out of balance with no context behind the numbers. So if we use your logic, then you must have been against your own nation in most of the wars we've been in. We entered Vietnam, supposedly, because of an attack against one of our ships. We went to war with the Taliban because they flew planes into our buildings. You've been ok with that I assume because you've never ranted about it which means you accept all the collateral damage that came with it. The problem with your argument is that you just try to paint people into a corner that if we accept this war then we must like all the killing. Things aren't that simple, I support Israel with what I know but I do not care for all the collateral damage. That's what happens when hamas hides behind the citizens to use as meatshields, and by the reactions in the streets as they parade dead bodies around, it looks like they themselves support the violence.
In an age where we had suicide bombers fly planes into our buildings I have no sympathy for terrorists or their sympathizers. In our world over here, we try to respect life and live peacefully, it's a different world over there. That's why it's discerning when people here think it's a great humanitarian accomplishment to allow the invasion of illegal aliens, especially with no regard to background checks.Â
Hamas are carrying out terrorist actions, how is the word gymnastics? Do you refute that?
Do you refute during our war 200,000+ Iraqi citizens were killed? Our causality rate was low compared to that number.
You're the one playing word gymnastics trying to show death tolls being out of balance with no context behind the numbers. So if we use your logic, then you must have been against your own nation in most of the wars we've been in. We entered Vietnam, supposedly, because of an attack against one of our ships. We went to war with the Taliban because they flew planes into our buildings. You've been ok with that I assume because you've never ranted about it which means you accept all the collateral damage that came with it. The problem with your argument is that you just try to paint people into a corner that if we accept this war then we must like all the killing. Things aren't that simple, I support Israel with what I know but I do not care for all the collateral damage. That's what happens when hamas hides behind the citizens to use as meatshields, and by the reactions in the streets as they parade dead bodies around, it looks like they themselves support the violence.
In an age where we had suicide bombers fly planes into our buildings I have no sympathy for terrorists or their sympathizers. In our world over here, we try to respect life and live peacefully, it's a different world over there. That's why it's discerning when people here think it's a great humanitarian accomplishment to allow the invasion of illegal aliens, especially with no regard to background checks.Â
Outstanding reply.
Furthermore, to Vapor - you brought up the Abraham Accords as to the dwindling paslestinian owned territoy in Israel? Can you explain how that has anything to do with your maps ???
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abraham_Accords
"The Abraham Accords are bilateral agreements on ArabâIsraeli normalization signed between Israel and the United Arab Emirates and Bahrain on September 15, 2020.[1][2] Mediated by the United States, the initial announcement of August 13, 2020, concerned only Israel and the United Arab Emirates before the announcement of a follow-up agreement between Israel and Bahrain on September 11, 2020. On September 15, 2020, the official signing ceremony for the first iteration of the Abraham Accords was hosted by the Trump administration at the White House.[3] As part of the dual agreements, both the United Arab Emirates and Bahrain recognized Israel's sovereignty, enabling the establishment of full diplomatic relations. "
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"In December 2020, the IsraelâMorocco normalization agreement was signed. In exchange for Morocco's recognition of Israeli sovereignty, the United States recognized Moroccan sovereignty over Western Sahara.[10] On January 6, 2021, following up on the IsraelâSudan normalization agreement (signed in October 2020), the government of Sudan signed the "Abraham Accords Declaration" in Khartoum, witnessed by American treasury secretary Steven Mnuchin. Though the process of full normalization is ongoing, the United States has incentivized the deal by agreeing to abolish Sudan's status as a "State Sponsor of Terrorism" while also providing a loan of US$1.2 billion to help the Sudanese government clear the country's debts to the World Bank.[11][12] Although Sudan signed the declarative section of the agreement, it did not sign the corresponding document with Israel, unlike the United Arab Emirates and Bahrain. As of February 2023, negotiations with the Sudanese government on full normalization with Israel are ongoing.[13]"
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No. Please carry on with your mental gymnastics.Â
Hamas are carrying out terrorist actions, how is the word gymnastics? Do you refute that?
Do you refute during our war 200,000+ Iraqi citizens were killed? Our causality rate was low compared to that number.
You're the one playing word gymnastics trying to show death tolls being out of balance with no context behind the numbers. So if we use your logic, then you must have been against your own nation in most of the wars we've been in. We entered Vietnam, supposedly, because of an attack against one of our ships. We went to war with the Taliban because they flew planes into our buildings. You've been ok with that I assume because you've never ranted about it which means you accept all the collateral damage that came with it. The problem with your argument is that you just try to paint people into a corner that if we accept this war then we must like all the killing. Things aren't that simple, I support Israel with what I know but I do not care for all the collateral damage. That's what happens when hamas hides behind the citizens to use as meatshields, and by the reactions in the streets as they parade dead bodies around, it looks like they themselves support the violence.
In an age where we had suicide bombers fly planes into our buildings I have no sympathy for terrorists or their sympathizers. In our world over here, we try to respect life and live peacefully, it's a different world over there. That's why it's discerning when people here think it's a great humanitarian accomplishment to allow the invasion of illegal aliens, especially with no regard to background checks.Â
Do you refute during our war 200,000+ Iraqi citizens were killed? Our causality rate was low compared to that number.
Actually, we killed more like half a million to a million Iraqis.Â
In our world over here, we try to respect life and live peacefully, it's a different world over there.
You are the one who is coming up with apologies for killing of innocent children and civilians, not me.Â
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Hamas are carrying out terrorist actions, how is the word gymnastics? Do you refute that?
Do you refute during our war 200,000+ Iraqi citizens were killed? Our causality rate was low compared to that number.
You're the one playing word gymnastics trying to show death tolls being out of balance with no context behind the numbers. So if we use your logic, then you must have been against your own nation in most of the wars we've been in. We entered Vietnam, supposedly, because of an attack against one of our ships. We went to war with the Taliban because they flew planes into our buildings. You've been ok with that I assume because you've never ranted about it which means you accept all the collateral damage that came with it. The problem with your argument is that you just try to paint people into a corner that if we accept this war then we must like all the killing. Things aren't that simple, I support Israel with what I know but I do not care for all the collateral damage. That's what happens when hamas hides behind the citizens to use as meatshields, and by the reactions in the streets as they parade dead bodies around, it looks like they themselves support the violence.
In an age where we had suicide bombers fly planes into our buildings I have no sympathy for terrorists or their sympathizers. In our world over here, we try to respect life and live peacefully, it's a different world over there. That's why it's discerning when people here think it's a great humanitarian accomplishment to allow the invasion of illegal aliens, especially with no regard to background checks.Â
Outstanding reply.
Furthermore, to Vapor - you brought up the Abraham Accords as to the dwindling paslestinian owned territoy in Israel? Can you explain how that has anything to do with your maps ???
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abraham_Accords
"The Abraham Accords are bilateral agreements on ArabâIsraeli normalization signed between Israel and the United Arab Emirates and Bahrain on September 15, 2020.[1][2] Mediated by the United States, the initial announcement of August 13, 2020, concerned only Israel and the United Arab Emirates before the announcement of a follow-up agreement between Israel and Bahrain on September 11, 2020. On September 15, 2020, the official signing ceremony for the first iteration of the Abraham Accords was hosted by the Trump administration at the White House.[3] As part of the dual agreements, both the United Arab Emirates and Bahrain recognized Israel's sovereignty, enabling the establishment of full diplomatic relations. "
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"In December 2020, the IsraelâMorocco normalization agreement was signed. In exchange for Morocco's recognition of Israeli sovereignty, the United States recognized Moroccan sovereignty over Western Sahara.[10] On January 6, 2021, following up on the IsraelâSudan normalization agreement (signed in October 2020), the government of Sudan signed the "Abraham Accords Declaration" in Khartoum, witnessed by American treasury secretary Steven Mnuchin. Though the process of full normalization is ongoing, the United States has incentivized the deal by agreeing to abolish Sudan's status as a "State Sponsor of Terrorism" while also providing a loan of US$1.2 billion to help the Sudanese government clear the country's debts to the World Bank.[11][12] Although Sudan signed the declarative section of the agreement, it did not sign the corresponding document with Israel, unlike the United Arab Emirates and Bahrain. As of February 2023, negotiations with the Sudanese government on full normalization with Israel are ongoing.[13]"
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Furthermore, to Vapor - you brought up the Abraham Accords as to the dwindling paslestinian owned territoy in Israel? Can you explain how that has anything to do with your maps ???
Did you read my post or just look at the picture? I explained exactly what the Abraham Accords did and how it relates to the current events. Regardless, I supported it when Trump did it, and if it was anyone other than Trump as president, they would have gotten a Nobel Peace Prize. Saudi Arabia turning their backs on Palestine is a big reason why this is currently a local conflict and not a regional one.Â
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