Israel part 2
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Palestinians and hamas hate gays and other LGBT. That alone should make liberals be against them, but they support them. Strange huh? In Gaza Gays can get the death penalty. How about that Woody??????
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Considering the kidnappings how much do you think the billions of dollars we gave Iran influenced the decision?
WSS
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Considering the kidnappings how much do you think the billions of dollars we gave Iran influenced the decision?
WSS
Considering the kidnappings how much do you think the billions of dollars we gave Iran influenced the decision?
WSS
I wouldn't be shocked if that freed up money to be funneled from other Iranian sources to Hamas. I doubt it influenced the decision nearly as much as the Ukraine/Russia war did.
1 - US emergency munitions stockpiles were diverted from Israel to Ukraine early in 2023, this was published by NYT
2 - They saw that an underdog in Ukraine could greatly outperform expectations and bleed the Russians hard for any ground they take
3 - They also saw the failure of a Ukrainian offensive in spite of receiving multiple western wonderweapons
4 - They saw said multi-million dollar wonderweapons lose to $100 drones and mines
5 - They saw the American public and the West in general waver on their support for Ukraine
6 - They saw western munitions supplies being used faster than they could be replacedThey saw an opening and took it. I doubt they'd have a better opportunity in the future. I just have to wonder what China is thinking seeing all of that, and now watching US politicians salivate over giving as much support as Israel needs to raze Gaza.
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So the ruskies and Ukraine easy enough to figure out. Russia wants the port with which to ship their Energy Products to the Europeans who despite our doing the having Lifting for their defense or happy to buy. And they don't want NATO missiles on their border.
Israel got West Bank and Georgia after they were attacked and drove out a fairly substantial bunch of enemies. They don't want Hezbollah or Islamic Jihad or Muslim Brotherhood nukes On the Border of Tel Aviv for Jerusalem. The Arabs just want to take back that land that they lost. Just for spite? What's your take boys?
WSS
MHO Steve? The Muslims and (their pagan predecessors) and our Semitic friends have have hated each other for millennia. I don't know the reason exactly why, but I don't expect it to end anytime soon. Their eventual goal is to wipe Israel off the map. What's stunning to me is the massive failure of Israel's Intelligence community. Like how in the HELL was Hamas able to smuggle thousands of rockets into the Gaza strip totally undetected?
Just a little dig at the GOP hardliners who want to cut off aid to Ukraine.. A FYI
"The United States already provides Israel more than $3 billion in military assistance every year, Mr. Blinken said that much of the equipment from that funding is already “in the pipeline” to be sent to Israel.
Hmmmm.... Ukraine doesn't matter, but Israel does? Just sayin'.
Just a little dig at the GOP hardliners who want to cut off aid to Ukraine.. A FYI
Cut off aid?
You mean like making payroll for their military?
How about making pension payments to their retired military?
That’s not aid…that’s called a blank check.
Two things that will define you: Your determination when you have nothing. Your attitude when you have everything. - Mike McCartney -
Israel gave warning to the citizens in the building they were about to strike that was storing the arms.
I find it disingenuous people keep talking about Palestine backed into a corner yet ignore the terrorist acts they are committing.
I find it disingenuous people keep talking about Palestine backed into a corner yet ignore the terrorist acts they are committing.
You mean the same way you're doing with Israel? You don't have to be a cheerleader. It's okay to say that both sides have no respect for life of people outside of their group.
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I'm not a cheerleader, I openly said why I don't agree with hamas and posted actual videos of the atrocities, but I never said I agree with Israel either, though it appears to me they have every right to defend themselves. At this time I really don't know enough to say Israel is wrong in any way as all I see so far is they are protecting themselves from terrorists.
Whatever you do though, Israels actions are nothing like what the hamas are doing, which is nothing short of criminal, terrorist and considered war crimes if nothing else. War will always bring collateral damage.
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I'm not a cheerleader, I openly said why I don't agree with hamas and posted actual videos of the atrocities, but I never said I agree with Israel either, though it appears to me they have every right to defend themselves. At this time I really don't know enough to say Israel is wrong in any way as all I see so far is they are protecting themselves from terrorists.
Whatever you do though, Israels actions are nothing like what the hamas are doing, which is nothing short of criminal, terrorist and considered war crimes if nothing else. War will always bring collateral damage.
I never said I agree with Israel either, though it appears to me they have every right to defend themselves. At this time I really don't know enough to say Israel is wrong in any way as all I see so far is they are protecting themselves from terrorists.
Whatever you do though, Israels actions are nothing like what the hamas are doing, which is nothing short of criminal, terrorist and considered war crimes if nothing else. War will always bring collateral damage.
I'd like to know your opinion, at what point on the graph did Israel gain every right to defend themselves?
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Those numbers exist because Israel was forced to defend themselves.
Is it bad if we look at the 200,000+ Iraqi citizens that were killed during that war? It happens, I'm not saying it's good, but it's war.
So you agree with the terrorist actions of hamas?
So you agree with the terrorist actions of hamas?
No. Please carry on with your mental gymnastics.
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Cut off aid?
You mean like making payroll for their military?
How about making pension payments to their retired military?
That’s not aid…that’s called a blank check.
Source? Gateway Pundit?
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Cut off aid?
You mean like making payroll for their military?
How about making pension payments to their retired military?
That’s not aid…that’s called a blank check.
Source? Gateway Pundit?
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No. Please carry on with your mental gymnastics.
Hamas are carrying out terrorist actions, how is the word gymnastics? Do you refute that?
Do you refute during our war 200,000+ Iraqi citizens were killed? Our causality rate was low compared to that number.
You're the one playing word gymnastics trying to show death tolls being out of balance with no context behind the numbers. So if we use your logic, then you must have been against your own nation in most of the wars we've been in. We entered Vietnam, supposedly, because of an attack against one of our ships. We went to war with the Taliban because they flew planes into our buildings. You've been ok with that I assume because you've never ranted about it which means you accept all the collateral damage that came with it. The problem with your argument is that you just try to paint people into a corner that if we accept this war then we must like all the killing. Things aren't that simple, I support Israel with what I know but I do not care for all the collateral damage. That's what happens when hamas hides behind the citizens to use as meatshields, and by the reactions in the streets as they parade dead bodies around, it looks like they themselves support the violence.
In an age where we had suicide bombers fly planes into our buildings I have no sympathy for terrorists or their sympathizers. In our world over here, we try to respect life and live peacefully, it's a different world over there. That's why it's discerning when people here think it's a great humanitarian accomplishment to allow the invasion of illegal aliens, especially with no regard to background checks.
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Cut off aid?
You mean like making payroll for their military?
How about making pension payments to their retired military?
That’s not aid…that’s called a blank check.
Source? Gateway Pundit?
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No. Please carry on with your mental gymnastics.
Hamas are carrying out terrorist actions, how is the word gymnastics? Do you refute that?
Do you refute during our war 200,000+ Iraqi citizens were killed? Our causality rate was low compared to that number.
You're the one playing word gymnastics trying to show death tolls being out of balance with no context behind the numbers. So if we use your logic, then you must have been against your own nation in most of the wars we've been in. We entered Vietnam, supposedly, because of an attack against one of our ships. We went to war with the Taliban because they flew planes into our buildings. You've been ok with that I assume because you've never ranted about it which means you accept all the collateral damage that came with it. The problem with your argument is that you just try to paint people into a corner that if we accept this war then we must like all the killing. Things aren't that simple, I support Israel with what I know but I do not care for all the collateral damage. That's what happens when hamas hides behind the citizens to use as meatshields, and by the reactions in the streets as they parade dead bodies around, it looks like they themselves support the violence.
In an age where we had suicide bombers fly planes into our buildings I have no sympathy for terrorists or their sympathizers. In our world over here, we try to respect life and live peacefully, it's a different world over there. That's why it's discerning when people here think it's a great humanitarian accomplishment to allow the invasion of illegal aliens, especially with no regard to background checks.
Hamas are carrying out terrorist actions, how is the word gymnastics? Do you refute that?
Do you refute during our war 200,000+ Iraqi citizens were killed? Our causality rate was low compared to that number.
You're the one playing word gymnastics trying to show death tolls being out of balance with no context behind the numbers. So if we use your logic, then you must have been against your own nation in most of the wars we've been in. We entered Vietnam, supposedly, because of an attack against one of our ships. We went to war with the Taliban because they flew planes into our buildings. You've been ok with that I assume because you've never ranted about it which means you accept all the collateral damage that came with it. The problem with your argument is that you just try to paint people into a corner that if we accept this war then we must like all the killing. Things aren't that simple, I support Israel with what I know but I do not care for all the collateral damage. That's what happens when hamas hides behind the citizens to use as meatshields, and by the reactions in the streets as they parade dead bodies around, it looks like they themselves support the violence.
In an age where we had suicide bombers fly planes into our buildings I have no sympathy for terrorists or their sympathizers. In our world over here, we try to respect life and live peacefully, it's a different world over there. That's why it's discerning when people here think it's a great humanitarian accomplishment to allow the invasion of illegal aliens, especially with no regard to background checks.
Outstanding reply.
Furthermore, to Vapor - you brought up the Abraham Accords as to the dwindling paslestinian owned territoy in Israel? Can you explain how that has anything to do with your maps ???
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abraham_Accords
"The Abraham Accords are bilateral agreements on Arab–Israeli normalization signed between Israel and the United Arab Emirates and Bahrain on September 15, 2020.[1][2] Mediated by the United States, the initial announcement of August 13, 2020, concerned only Israel and the United Arab Emirates before the announcement of a follow-up agreement between Israel and Bahrain on September 11, 2020. On September 15, 2020, the official signing ceremony for the first iteration of the Abraham Accords was hosted by the Trump administration at the White House.[3] As part of the dual agreements, both the United Arab Emirates and Bahrain recognized Israel's sovereignty, enabling the establishment of full diplomatic relations. "
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"In December 2020, the Israel–Morocco normalization agreement was signed. In exchange for Morocco's recognition of Israeli sovereignty, the United States recognized Moroccan sovereignty over Western Sahara.[10] On January 6, 2021, following up on the Israel–Sudan normalization agreement (signed in October 2020), the government of Sudan signed the "Abraham Accords Declaration" in Khartoum, witnessed by American treasury secretary Steven Mnuchin. Though the process of full normalization is ongoing, the United States has incentivized the deal by agreeing to abolish Sudan's status as a "State Sponsor of Terrorism" while also providing a loan of US$1.2 billion to help the Sudanese government clear the country's debts to the World Bank.[11][12] Although Sudan signed the declarative section of the agreement, it did not sign the corresponding document with Israel, unlike the United Arab Emirates and Bahrain. As of February 2023, negotiations with the Sudanese government on full normalization with Israel are ongoing.[13]"
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No. Please carry on with your mental gymnastics.
Hamas are carrying out terrorist actions, how is the word gymnastics? Do you refute that?
Do you refute during our war 200,000+ Iraqi citizens were killed? Our causality rate was low compared to that number.
You're the one playing word gymnastics trying to show death tolls being out of balance with no context behind the numbers. So if we use your logic, then you must have been against your own nation in most of the wars we've been in. We entered Vietnam, supposedly, because of an attack against one of our ships. We went to war with the Taliban because they flew planes into our buildings. You've been ok with that I assume because you've never ranted about it which means you accept all the collateral damage that came with it. The problem with your argument is that you just try to paint people into a corner that if we accept this war then we must like all the killing. Things aren't that simple, I support Israel with what I know but I do not care for all the collateral damage. That's what happens when hamas hides behind the citizens to use as meatshields, and by the reactions in the streets as they parade dead bodies around, it looks like they themselves support the violence.
In an age where we had suicide bombers fly planes into our buildings I have no sympathy for terrorists or their sympathizers. In our world over here, we try to respect life and live peacefully, it's a different world over there. That's why it's discerning when people here think it's a great humanitarian accomplishment to allow the invasion of illegal aliens, especially with no regard to background checks.
Do you refute during our war 200,000+ Iraqi citizens were killed? Our causality rate was low compared to that number.
Actually, we killed more like half a million to a million Iraqis.
In our world over here, we try to respect life and live peacefully, it's a different world over there.
You are the one who is coming up with apologies for killing of innocent children and civilians, not me.
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Hamas are carrying out terrorist actions, how is the word gymnastics? Do you refute that?
Do you refute during our war 200,000+ Iraqi citizens were killed? Our causality rate was low compared to that number.
You're the one playing word gymnastics trying to show death tolls being out of balance with no context behind the numbers. So if we use your logic, then you must have been against your own nation in most of the wars we've been in. We entered Vietnam, supposedly, because of an attack against one of our ships. We went to war with the Taliban because they flew planes into our buildings. You've been ok with that I assume because you've never ranted about it which means you accept all the collateral damage that came with it. The problem with your argument is that you just try to paint people into a corner that if we accept this war then we must like all the killing. Things aren't that simple, I support Israel with what I know but I do not care for all the collateral damage. That's what happens when hamas hides behind the citizens to use as meatshields, and by the reactions in the streets as they parade dead bodies around, it looks like they themselves support the violence.
In an age where we had suicide bombers fly planes into our buildings I have no sympathy for terrorists or their sympathizers. In our world over here, we try to respect life and live peacefully, it's a different world over there. That's why it's discerning when people here think it's a great humanitarian accomplishment to allow the invasion of illegal aliens, especially with no regard to background checks.
Outstanding reply.
Furthermore, to Vapor - you brought up the Abraham Accords as to the dwindling paslestinian owned territoy in Israel? Can you explain how that has anything to do with your maps ???
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abraham_Accords
"The Abraham Accords are bilateral agreements on Arab–Israeli normalization signed between Israel and the United Arab Emirates and Bahrain on September 15, 2020.[1][2] Mediated by the United States, the initial announcement of August 13, 2020, concerned only Israel and the United Arab Emirates before the announcement of a follow-up agreement between Israel and Bahrain on September 11, 2020. On September 15, 2020, the official signing ceremony for the first iteration of the Abraham Accords was hosted by the Trump administration at the White House.[3] As part of the dual agreements, both the United Arab Emirates and Bahrain recognized Israel's sovereignty, enabling the establishment of full diplomatic relations. "
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"In December 2020, the Israel–Morocco normalization agreement was signed. In exchange for Morocco's recognition of Israeli sovereignty, the United States recognized Moroccan sovereignty over Western Sahara.[10] On January 6, 2021, following up on the Israel–Sudan normalization agreement (signed in October 2020), the government of Sudan signed the "Abraham Accords Declaration" in Khartoum, witnessed by American treasury secretary Steven Mnuchin. Though the process of full normalization is ongoing, the United States has incentivized the deal by agreeing to abolish Sudan's status as a "State Sponsor of Terrorism" while also providing a loan of US$1.2 billion to help the Sudanese government clear the country's debts to the World Bank.[11][12] Although Sudan signed the declarative section of the agreement, it did not sign the corresponding document with Israel, unlike the United Arab Emirates and Bahrain. As of February 2023, negotiations with the Sudanese government on full normalization with Israel are ongoing.[13]"
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Furthermore, to Vapor - you brought up the Abraham Accords as to the dwindling paslestinian owned territoy in Israel? Can you explain how that has anything to do with your maps ???
Did you read my post or just look at the picture? I explained exactly what the Abraham Accords did and how it relates to the current events. Regardless, I supported it when Trump did it, and if it was anyone other than Trump as president, they would have gotten a Nobel Peace Prize. Saudi Arabia turning their backs on Palestine is a big reason why this is currently a local conflict and not a regional one.
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I think it's bad form to worry about collateral accidental deaths to civilians, when
40 babies were murdered by beheading, and hand grenades are thrown into houses to murder entire families hiding behind locked doors, and children being murdered/shot in front of their parents.
There was going to be a war alright, Now there are two. I pray it isn't going to get far worse, but I just wonder....
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Furthermore, to Vapor - you brought up the Abraham Accords as to the dwindling paslestinian owned territoy in Israel? Can you explain how that has anything to do with your maps ???
Did you read my post or just look at the picture? I explained exactly what the Abraham Accords did and how it relates to the current events. Regardless, I supported it when Trump did it, and if it was anyone other than Trump as president, they would have gotten a Nobel Peace Prize. Saudi Arabia turning their backs on Palestine is a big reason why this is currently a local conflict and not a regional one.
Did you read my post or just look at the picture? I explained exactly what the Abraham Accords did and how it relates to the current events. Regardless, I supported it when Trump did it, and if it was anyone other than Trump as president, they would have gotten a Nobel Peace Prize. Saudi Arabia turning their backs on Palestine is a big reason why this is currently a local conflict and not a regional one.
Yes, I read it - it was bs. "Trump's Abraham Accords." ? How about your president has been president for three years, and screwed things up badly?
There are about half of pharmacists, profs, etc etc etc, in Israeli society. A lot of arabs left Israel because they refused to live next to Jews, like I freaking mentioned earlier. They even refused to have their own STATE because they did not want their state to be next to Israel, and they didn't want the Jews to have a state - the arabs demanded it all for themselves.
So, your maps are not per the Abraham accords, the context is, extreme bigotry and hate by a certain percentage of the Arabic population.
Furthermore, you said "I'd like to know your opinion, at what point on the graph did Israel gain every right to defend themselves? "
I can't take your question seriously. Going to war with Israel, and losing a lot of suicidal terrorists lives....this is your idea of a legit case?
Hamas and hezbollah etc hide in hospitals, schools, mosques, to create the necessity of collateral damage. Missiles fired out of these locations, and you think Israel should stand down and let them continue because.....
You're a smart guy, you know better than that.
Go back and read up on why Israel ended up controlling the West Bank and the Gaza strip. They were declared war upon by
Here's a link:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six-Day_War
Egypt, Syria and Jordan declared war against Israel's existence. Egypt blockaded all commercial shipping to try to destroy their country. Then, Egypt was going to do it again, .... Pretty much surrounding closing Israel from the rest of the world, except for shipping. And Egypt closed that.
Every time war has been declared against Israel - it has been to try to wipe Israel off the map. Did you read my post earlier? They refused to allow Israel to have a state, and refused to have their own state next to Israel. The historical, cultural HATE was from Biblical times.
All the way back to - When Mohammed was murdering Jews in attacks - because they would not convert to Islam.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invasion_of_Banu_Qurayza
"The Banu Qurayza were besieged for 25 days until they surrendered.[1] The men from Banu Aws, who were one of the two Arab tribes in Medina who had become followers of Muhammad and part of the Ansar, requested that Muhammad treat Banu Qurayza leniently, as they were their client tribe. Muhammad then proposed that one man from the Banu Aws pass the judgment, and they agreed. He then appointed Sa'd ibn Muadh, who was gravely wounded by an arrow. So Sa'd stated that his decision would be, "The men should be killed, the property divided, and the women and children taken as slaves." Muhammad approved of the ruling, calling it in accordance with God's decree pronounced above the seventh heaven.[8][9][10][12][13] After that, nearly all male members of the tribe who had reached puberty were beheaded.[14][2][15] The Muslim jurist Tabari quotes 600–900 being killed.[16][3] The Sunni hadith do not give the number killed, but state that one woman and all pubescent males were killed.[17] According to Ibn Kathir, Quranic verses 33:26-27 and 33:9-10 are about the attack against the Banu Qurayza.[2][18][19]"
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