Israel part 2
-
No. Please carry on with your mental gymnastics.
Hamas are carrying out terrorist actions, how is the word gymnastics? Do you refute that?
Do you refute during our war 200,000+ Iraqi citizens were killed? Our causality rate was low compared to that number.
You're the one playing word gymnastics trying to show death tolls being out of balance with no context behind the numbers. So if we use your logic, then you must have been against your own nation in most of the wars we've been in. We entered Vietnam, supposedly, because of an attack against one of our ships. We went to war with the Taliban because they flew planes into our buildings. You've been ok with that I assume because you've never ranted about it which means you accept all the collateral damage that came with it. The problem with your argument is that you just try to paint people into a corner that if we accept this war then we must like all the killing. Things aren't that simple, I support Israel with what I know but I do not care for all the collateral damage. That's what happens when hamas hides behind the citizens to use as meatshields, and by the reactions in the streets as they parade dead bodies around, it looks like they themselves support the violence.
In an age where we had suicide bombers fly planes into our buildings I have no sympathy for terrorists or their sympathizers. In our world over here, we try to respect life and live peacefully, it's a different world over there. That's why it's discerning when people here think it's a great humanitarian accomplishment to allow the invasion of illegal aliens, especially with no regard to background checks.
Hamas are carrying out terrorist actions, how is the word gymnastics? Do you refute that?
Do you refute during our war 200,000+ Iraqi citizens were killed? Our causality rate was low compared to that number.
You're the one playing word gymnastics trying to show death tolls being out of balance with no context behind the numbers. So if we use your logic, then you must have been against your own nation in most of the wars we've been in. We entered Vietnam, supposedly, because of an attack against one of our ships. We went to war with the Taliban because they flew planes into our buildings. You've been ok with that I assume because you've never ranted about it which means you accept all the collateral damage that came with it. The problem with your argument is that you just try to paint people into a corner that if we accept this war then we must like all the killing. Things aren't that simple, I support Israel with what I know but I do not care for all the collateral damage. That's what happens when hamas hides behind the citizens to use as meatshields, and by the reactions in the streets as they parade dead bodies around, it looks like they themselves support the violence.
In an age where we had suicide bombers fly planes into our buildings I have no sympathy for terrorists or their sympathizers. In our world over here, we try to respect life and live peacefully, it's a different world over there. That's why it's discerning when people here think it's a great humanitarian accomplishment to allow the invasion of illegal aliens, especially with no regard to background checks.
Outstanding reply.
Furthermore, to Vapor - you brought up the Abraham Accords as to the dwindling paslestinian owned territoy in Israel? Can you explain how that has anything to do with your maps ???
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abraham_Accords
"The Abraham Accords are bilateral agreements on Arab–Israeli normalization signed between Israel and the United Arab Emirates and Bahrain on September 15, 2020.[1][2] Mediated by the United States, the initial announcement of August 13, 2020, concerned only Israel and the United Arab Emirates before the announcement of a follow-up agreement between Israel and Bahrain on September 11, 2020. On September 15, 2020, the official signing ceremony for the first iteration of the Abraham Accords was hosted by the Trump administration at the White House.[3] As part of the dual agreements, both the United Arab Emirates and Bahrain recognized Israel's sovereignty, enabling the establishment of full diplomatic relations. "
*************
"In December 2020, the Israel–Morocco normalization agreement was signed. In exchange for Morocco's recognition of Israeli sovereignty, the United States recognized Moroccan sovereignty over Western Sahara.[10] On January 6, 2021, following up on the Israel–Sudan normalization agreement (signed in October 2020), the government of Sudan signed the "Abraham Accords Declaration" in Khartoum, witnessed by American treasury secretary Steven Mnuchin. Though the process of full normalization is ongoing, the United States has incentivized the deal by agreeing to abolish Sudan's status as a "State Sponsor of Terrorism" while also providing a loan of US$1.2 billion to help the Sudanese government clear the country's debts to the World Bank.[11][12] Although Sudan signed the declarative section of the agreement, it did not sign the corresponding document with Israel, unlike the United Arab Emirates and Bahrain. As of February 2023, negotiations with the Sudanese government on full normalization with Israel are ongoing.[13]"
********************
-
No. Please carry on with your mental gymnastics.
Hamas are carrying out terrorist actions, how is the word gymnastics? Do you refute that?
Do you refute during our war 200,000+ Iraqi citizens were killed? Our causality rate was low compared to that number.
You're the one playing word gymnastics trying to show death tolls being out of balance with no context behind the numbers. So if we use your logic, then you must have been against your own nation in most of the wars we've been in. We entered Vietnam, supposedly, because of an attack against one of our ships. We went to war with the Taliban because they flew planes into our buildings. You've been ok with that I assume because you've never ranted about it which means you accept all the collateral damage that came with it. The problem with your argument is that you just try to paint people into a corner that if we accept this war then we must like all the killing. Things aren't that simple, I support Israel with what I know but I do not care for all the collateral damage. That's what happens when hamas hides behind the citizens to use as meatshields, and by the reactions in the streets as they parade dead bodies around, it looks like they themselves support the violence.
In an age where we had suicide bombers fly planes into our buildings I have no sympathy for terrorists or their sympathizers. In our world over here, we try to respect life and live peacefully, it's a different world over there. That's why it's discerning when people here think it's a great humanitarian accomplishment to allow the invasion of illegal aliens, especially with no regard to background checks.
Do you refute during our war 200,000+ Iraqi citizens were killed? Our causality rate was low compared to that number.
Actually, we killed more like half a million to a million Iraqis.
In our world over here, we try to respect life and live peacefully, it's a different world over there.
You are the one who is coming up with apologies for killing of innocent children and civilians, not me.
-
Hamas are carrying out terrorist actions, how is the word gymnastics? Do you refute that?
Do you refute during our war 200,000+ Iraqi citizens were killed? Our causality rate was low compared to that number.
You're the one playing word gymnastics trying to show death tolls being out of balance with no context behind the numbers. So if we use your logic, then you must have been against your own nation in most of the wars we've been in. We entered Vietnam, supposedly, because of an attack against one of our ships. We went to war with the Taliban because they flew planes into our buildings. You've been ok with that I assume because you've never ranted about it which means you accept all the collateral damage that came with it. The problem with your argument is that you just try to paint people into a corner that if we accept this war then we must like all the killing. Things aren't that simple, I support Israel with what I know but I do not care for all the collateral damage. That's what happens when hamas hides behind the citizens to use as meatshields, and by the reactions in the streets as they parade dead bodies around, it looks like they themselves support the violence.
In an age where we had suicide bombers fly planes into our buildings I have no sympathy for terrorists or their sympathizers. In our world over here, we try to respect life and live peacefully, it's a different world over there. That's why it's discerning when people here think it's a great humanitarian accomplishment to allow the invasion of illegal aliens, especially with no regard to background checks.
Outstanding reply.
Furthermore, to Vapor - you brought up the Abraham Accords as to the dwindling paslestinian owned territoy in Israel? Can you explain how that has anything to do with your maps ???
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abraham_Accords
"The Abraham Accords are bilateral agreements on Arab–Israeli normalization signed between Israel and the United Arab Emirates and Bahrain on September 15, 2020.[1][2] Mediated by the United States, the initial announcement of August 13, 2020, concerned only Israel and the United Arab Emirates before the announcement of a follow-up agreement between Israel and Bahrain on September 11, 2020. On September 15, 2020, the official signing ceremony for the first iteration of the Abraham Accords was hosted by the Trump administration at the White House.[3] As part of the dual agreements, both the United Arab Emirates and Bahrain recognized Israel's sovereignty, enabling the establishment of full diplomatic relations. "
*************
"In December 2020, the Israel–Morocco normalization agreement was signed. In exchange for Morocco's recognition of Israeli sovereignty, the United States recognized Moroccan sovereignty over Western Sahara.[10] On January 6, 2021, following up on the Israel–Sudan normalization agreement (signed in October 2020), the government of Sudan signed the "Abraham Accords Declaration" in Khartoum, witnessed by American treasury secretary Steven Mnuchin. Though the process of full normalization is ongoing, the United States has incentivized the deal by agreeing to abolish Sudan's status as a "State Sponsor of Terrorism" while also providing a loan of US$1.2 billion to help the Sudanese government clear the country's debts to the World Bank.[11][12] Although Sudan signed the declarative section of the agreement, it did not sign the corresponding document with Israel, unlike the United Arab Emirates and Bahrain. As of February 2023, negotiations with the Sudanese government on full normalization with Israel are ongoing.[13]"
********************
Furthermore, to Vapor - you brought up the Abraham Accords as to the dwindling paslestinian owned territoy in Israel? Can you explain how that has anything to do with your maps ???
Did you read my post or just look at the picture? I explained exactly what the Abraham Accords did and how it relates to the current events. Regardless, I supported it when Trump did it, and if it was anyone other than Trump as president, they would have gotten a Nobel Peace Prize. Saudi Arabia turning their backs on Palestine is a big reason why this is currently a local conflict and not a regional one.
-
I think it's bad form to worry about collateral accidental deaths to civilians, when
40 babies were murdered by beheading, and hand grenades are thrown into houses to murder entire families hiding behind locked doors, and children being murdered/shot in front of their parents.
There was going to be a war alright, Now there are two. I pray it isn't going to get far worse, but I just wonder....
-
Furthermore, to Vapor - you brought up the Abraham Accords as to the dwindling paslestinian owned territoy in Israel? Can you explain how that has anything to do with your maps ???
Did you read my post or just look at the picture? I explained exactly what the Abraham Accords did and how it relates to the current events. Regardless, I supported it when Trump did it, and if it was anyone other than Trump as president, they would have gotten a Nobel Peace Prize. Saudi Arabia turning their backs on Palestine is a big reason why this is currently a local conflict and not a regional one.
Did you read my post or just look at the picture? I explained exactly what the Abraham Accords did and how it relates to the current events. Regardless, I supported it when Trump did it, and if it was anyone other than Trump as president, they would have gotten a Nobel Peace Prize. Saudi Arabia turning their backs on Palestine is a big reason why this is currently a local conflict and not a regional one.
Yes, I read it - it was bs. "Trump's Abraham Accords." ? How about your president has been president for three years, and screwed things up badly?
There are about half of pharmacists, profs, etc etc etc, in Israeli society. A lot of arabs left Israel because they refused to live next to Jews, like I freaking mentioned earlier. They even refused to have their own STATE because they did not want their state to be next to Israel, and they didn't want the Jews to have a state - the arabs demanded it all for themselves.
So, your maps are not per the Abraham accords, the context is, extreme bigotry and hate by a certain percentage of the Arabic population.
Furthermore, you said "I'd like to know your opinion, at what point on the graph did Israel gain every right to defend themselves? "
I can't take your question seriously. Going to war with Israel, and losing a lot of suicidal terrorists lives....this is your idea of a legit case?
Hamas and hezbollah etc hide in hospitals, schools, mosques, to create the necessity of collateral damage. Missiles fired out of these locations, and you think Israel should stand down and let them continue because.....
You're a smart guy, you know better than that.
Go back and read up on why Israel ended up controlling the West Bank and the Gaza strip. They were declared war upon by
Here's a link:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six-Day_War
Egypt, Syria and Jordan declared war against Israel's existence. Egypt blockaded all commercial shipping to try to destroy their country. Then, Egypt was going to do it again, .... Pretty much surrounding closing Israel from the rest of the world, except for shipping. And Egypt closed that.
Every time war has been declared against Israel - it has been to try to wipe Israel off the map. Did you read my post earlier? They refused to allow Israel to have a state, and refused to have their own state next to Israel. The historical, cultural HATE was from Biblical times.
All the way back to - When Mohammed was murdering Jews in attacks - because they would not convert to Islam.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invasion_of_Banu_Qurayza
"The Banu Qurayza were besieged for 25 days until they surrendered.[1] The men from Banu Aws, who were one of the two Arab tribes in Medina who had become followers of Muhammad and part of the Ansar, requested that Muhammad treat Banu Qurayza leniently, as they were their client tribe. Muhammad then proposed that one man from the Banu Aws pass the judgment, and they agreed. He then appointed Sa'd ibn Muadh, who was gravely wounded by an arrow. So Sa'd stated that his decision would be, "The men should be killed, the property divided, and the women and children taken as slaves." Muhammad approved of the ruling, calling it in accordance with God's decree pronounced above the seventh heaven.[8][9][10][12][13] After that, nearly all male members of the tribe who had reached puberty were beheaded.[14][2][15] The Muslim jurist Tabari quotes 600–900 being killed.[16][3] The Sunni hadith do not give the number killed, but state that one woman and all pubescent males were killed.[17] According to Ibn Kathir, Quranic verses 33:26-27 and 33:9-10 are about the attack against the Banu Qurayza.[2][18][19]"
-
So, the poor Hamas have terrorist soldiers dying and they make innocent civilians also die for propaganda purposes?
The beheadings began with Mohammed's army.
1 day agoHamas terrorists slaughtered at least 40 babies and young children — decapitating some of them — at a kibbutz near the Gaza border, shaken Israeli officials and reporters at the scene said...*******************************************So, it isn't Israel's fault for the beheadings and murders of Jews now, it wasn't their fault they were beheading way, way back in the days of Mohammed.Vapor, you seriously lack context in your posts. -
Vapor isn't making much sense, did he actually come out with his opinion on the matter? He talks about the killing of innocent citizens, does he mean the Israeli victims? Does he agree that those numbers don't matter much since he confirmed we killed much more? I'm not sure what he keeps insinuating.
So, do you support the terrorists actions or not? I'm going to assume no, then tell me why you don't support Israel in defeating terrorists living on their door steps continually killing citizens?
If you're not up to speed, the theory is Iran doesn't want peace talks between Israel and Saudi Arabia so they used the gullible Hamas to draw Israel into conflict knowing this would sour SA peace talks. Hamas doesn't care much as they want to murder, kidnap and rape anyways, that's what terrorists do. It has nothing to do with your view on poor Palestine being in some imaginary cage being oppressed by Israel. They are terrorist that continually commit terrorist actions, I'm not even going to post the videos of most of their actions because I won't even watch what they did, it's that bad. It's mind blowing you keep talking about innocent civilians and people making excuses for Israel killing but you think it's acceptable to make excuses for terrorists committing atrocities that no one should have to witness let alone live through. This is why I'm confused on your stance or what your trying to say. The Palestine people have been harboring terrorists and celebrating with them through every atrocity, again slaughtering citizens and parading their twisted and maimed bodies around town. I feel bad for the peaceful Palestinians but to be honest I haven't seen too many of them but I'm sure they are in hiding despite Hamas telling them to stay put as to be targets.
-
-
On the news, they interviewed an Israeli Mother of a young man who went camping with friends. They heard sirens, and got into a car and went to a bomb shelter. The terrorists showed up, blasted the door open, threw in hand grenades to kill them all.
The Mother's son was a hero, grabbing the hand grenades and throwing them back at the hamas terrorists. He is said to have lost his arm at the elbow, haven't heard from him since.
Apparently, hamas is woodpecker's people too.
-
Considering the kidnappings how much do you think the billions of dollars we gave Iran influenced the decision?
WSS
I wouldn't be shocked if that freed up money to be funneled from other Iranian sources to Hamas. I doubt it influenced the decision nearly as much as the Ukraine/Russia war did.
1 - US emergency munitions stockpiles were diverted from Israel to Ukraine early in 2023, this was published by NYT
2 - They saw that an underdog in Ukraine could greatly outperform expectations and bleed the Russians hard for any ground they take
3 - They also saw the failure of a Ukrainian offensive in spite of receiving multiple western wonderweapons
4 - They saw said multi-million dollar wonderweapons lose to $100 drones and mines
5 - They saw the American public and the West in general waver on their support for Ukraine
6 - They saw western munitions supplies being used faster than they could be replacedThey saw an opening and took it. I doubt they'd have a better opportunity in the future. I just have to wonder what China is thinking seeing all of that, and now watching US politicians salivate over giving as much support as Israel needs to raze Gaza.
I wouldn't be shocked if that freed up money to be funneled from other Iranian sources to Hamas. I doubt it influenced the decision nearly as much as the Ukraine/Russia war did.
1 - US emergency munitions stockpiles were diverted from Israel to Ukraine early in 2023, this was published by NYT
2 - They saw that an underdog in Ukraine could greatly outperform expectations and bleed the Russians hard for any ground they take
3 - They also saw the failure of a Ukrainian offensive in spite of receiving multiple western wonderweapons
4 - They saw said multi-million dollar wonderweapons lose to $100 drones and mines
5 - They saw the American public and the West in general waver on their support for Ukraine
6 - They saw western munitions supplies being used faster than they could be replacedThey saw an opening and took it. I doubt they'd have a better opportunity in the future. I just have to wonder what China is thinking seeing all of that, and now watching US politicians salivate over giving as much support as Israel needs to raze Gaza.
-
On the news, they interviewed an Israeli Mother of a young man who went camping with friends. They heard sirens, and got into a car and went to a bomb shelter. The terrorists showed up, blasted the door open, threw in hand grenades to kill them all.
The Mother's son was a hero, grabbing the hand grenades and throwing them back at the hamas terrorists. He is said to have lost his arm at the elbow, haven't heard from him since.
Apparently, hamas is woodpecker's people too.
Apparently, hamas is woodpecker's people too.
Go and fuck yourself you worthless, ignorant, shit stain of a human
Live out the few, sad years you have left spiraling into a demented, delusional state you giant piece of shit
-
So the ruskies and Ukraine easy enough to figure out. Russia wants the port with which to ship their Energy Products to the Europeans who despite our doing the having Lifting for their defense or happy to buy. And they don't want NATO missiles on their border.
Israel got West Bank and Georgia after they were attacked and drove out a fairly substantial bunch of enemies. They don't want Hezbollah or Islamic Jihad or Muslim Brotherhood nukes On the Border of Tel Aviv for jerusalem. The Arabs just want to take back that land that they lost. Just for spite? What's your take boys?
WSS
So the ruskies and Ukraine easy enough to figure out. Russia wants the port with which to ship their Energy Products to the Europeans who despite our doing the having Lifting for their defense or happy to buy. And they don't want NATO missiles on their border.
Israel got West Bank and Georgia after they were attacked and drove out a fairly substantial bunch of enemies. They don't want Hezbollah or Islamic Jihad or Muslim Brotherhood nukes On the Border of Tel Aviv for jerusalem. The Arabs just want to take back that land that they lost. Just for spite? What's your take boys?
WSS
They hate the Jews. As simple as that. They've been offered better. You might notice Israel isn't just willy-nilly attacking Egypt and Jordan and Syria and Lebanon because they hate the arabs. They don't raze the al-asqa mosque even though it was built more or less out of spite right on the site of Solomon's temple or what not.
I've heard apartheid thrown around a lot but the left, as usual, sucks at life, reasoning and logic and fails to mention it's apartheid that the arabs choose. Israel even supplies them food and electricity when their unemployment is well over 80% so they're not paying for it. They hate the Jews so much that they'll take Jewish charity and still attack them at every turn instead of just being citizens of Israel or moving on to Syria or Iran. And on top of all that they're the occupiers. There never has been a Palestine, ever. They choose to live like that out of pride or spite or because the Jews don't venerate Muhammad or whatever but they've very much chosen their predicament.
-
I think woodpecker thinks I'm Jewish. Israelis held captive, babies beheaded and burned alive, an entire concert crowd gunned and bombed down, hand grenades thrown into shelters, 1200+ Israelis brutally murdered, hundreds missing/held captive, 22 Americans have died, 17 unaccounted for/missing, etc etc etc in a surprise attack, and you have little comment on it, except to keep bitching at others. It's how you squawk.
Really, really sad. Learn some HISTORY on issues, or not, and keep making a big bird's ass of yourself.
-
-
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody!
-
FACT: over 80% of the Second Amendment Case Law won in the courts, have been won by the Second Amendment Foundation and our attorneys.
FACT: That is more Second Amendment Court victories than all other gun rights groups combined.
FACT: The Second Amendment Foundation has built the foundation for all future legal challenges to gun prohibition and confiscation laws.
FACT: SAF currently has amicus curie briefs in cases pending before the U.S. Supreme Court
FACT: SAF has filed litigation against the latest "Assault Weapon" ban in Washington State.
FACT: SAF is engaged in over 50 federal court cases at the present time.
************************************
I gave up on the NRA - the chairman has gotten filthy rich, and when the board was going to go on a paid for cruise to Alaska, that really crossed the line.
I have tremendous respect for the Second Amendment Foundation, and yes, not letting Israelis have their guns.....was a colossal mistake, one that thousands have paid with their lives.
-
Oh lord...
Yes, I'm sure gun manufacturers are salivating
You can hide in your closet with your purse......
-
Oh lord...
Yes, I'm sure gun manufacturers are salivating
I actually agree with Axe. Reposting this as you have called out the technological advantage that the US govt has over a bunch of civilians with AR-15s. Same thing applies here to Israel and Gaza. The US government could easily kill a bunch of seditionist militias by bombing the shit out of where they live just like the IDF is doing now, but as I've said in the past, there are consequences to doing that. Reposting some relevant 4chan wisdom.
Israel's technological advantage hasn't amounted to much success in the 50 years they've been dealing with insurgency. USA and USSR/Russia have killed plenty of people in counter-insurgency operations, but by and large, the insurgents have won in the long-term.
-
Oh lord...
Yes, I'm sure gun manufacturers are salivating
I actually agree with Axe. Reposting this as you have called out the technological advantage that the US govt has over a bunch of civilians with AR-15s. Same thing applies here to Israel and Gaza. The US government could easily kill a bunch of seditionist militias by bombing the shit out of where they live just like the IDF is doing now, but as I've said in the past, there are consequences to doing that. Reposting some relevant 4chan wisdom.
Israel's technological advantage hasn't amounted to much success in the 50 years they've been dealing with insurgency. USA and USSR/Russia have killed plenty of people in counter-insurgency operations, but by and large, the insurgents have won in the long-term.
I actually agree with Axe. Reposting this as you have called out the technological advantage that the US govt has over a bunch of civilians with AR-15s. Same thing applies here to Israel and Gaza. The US government could easily kill a bunch of seditionist militias by bombing the shit out of where they live just like the IDF is doing now, but as I've said in the past, there are consequences to doing that. Reposting some relevant 4chan wisdom.
Israel's technological advantage hasn't amounted to much success in the 50 years they've been dealing with insurgency. USA and USSR/Russia have killed plenty of people in counter-insurgency operations, but by and large, the insurgents have won in the long-term.
Look, man, if "American individualism" etc etc is taking you or others to the point that they need an AR-15 to stop some hypothetical tyrannical govt from turning on them then there's nothing I can say, or the vast majority of the rest of the developed world, to change your mind.
You'd be a larger annoyance to a well developed military, but still just an annoyance.
Arming everyone with military grade firearms because of the hypothetical, miniscule chance that gun nuts worst fears / biggest wet dream comes true does not outweigh the negative consequences our gun culture inflicts on our country. That's my stance and I know I'm not changing anyone's mind. A mass shooting taking the life of a family member probably isn't changing their mind.
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody!
Hello! It looks like you're interested in this conversation, but you don't have an account yet.
Getting fed up of having to scroll through the same posts each visit? When you register for an account, you'll always come back to exactly where you were before, and choose to be notified of new replies (either via email, or push notification). You'll also be able to save bookmarks and upvote posts to show your appreciation to other community members.
With your input, this post could be even better 💗
Register Login