Dawand Jones is a MANSQUATCH among Lil' boys!
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Dear lord what shoe size is that?!?
Dear lord what shoe size is that?!?
Mama would call those bad boyz a pair of "Canal Boats" ?
15" plus
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This cutup saved me quite a bit of time, thanks for that Gumbs. A few thoughts.
- Watching Oline snaps and sifting through every single play still truly matters. Because, let's say in 19 snaps, there's going to be MAYBE half dozen that really clue you into where that player is at. I've found it to be no different watching college QB's anymore. My best example was when I had my going over of Matt Corral at Ole Miss. You get a handful of plays where the details paint the bigger picture.
- This goes back to those bigger bodies that Bama was cranking out for a while there at tackle who were just too big to play OT in the NFL - Robinson and Leatherwood come to mind. Orlando Brown Jr is another example, minus being from Bama. In order to succeed at that size, you need elite wingspan and hand usage. Your initial pass pro punch is going to make a break your ability to hold up 1 on 1. Dawand has clearly been working on his. I would suspect, because of again his size to his mobility, is why he would show up better at the longer/taller edge players such as Myles, Bosa, Armstead, Hendrickson, Arden, etc etc... Because those are the body types that allow him to use his wingspan and strength more than anything. Larger strike area means more ability to slow down the initial rush.
Would also help us to understand why he struggled with Watt. TJ is a bit more compact compared to those I've listed, while he maintains a great wingspan for his height, and his ability to work off from a tackles strike and sort of 'pace' and play off that first punch is second to none. Think of it like someone using your own momentum against you. This also gives me pause because we have some of those similarly more compact and twitchy guys coming up on the schedule - Ekubam, Nwosu, Bryce Huff, to name a few. So while this is a great start, Jonesy needs to keep building on it and help to slowly develop those weaknesses into potential, shall we say - draws?
While that is all good and well, there are times he still finds himself extended beyond the stability of his base, and sort of lunging his upper body into contact instead of trusting his arm length. From the linked video above....
This is the best example I can find. Jermaine Johnson in the pre-season saw this and tried ripping him down by pulling on his arms and toppling him over when he saw this. Problem being that he's such a mountain of a man, that's much easier said than done.
I'm content at Dawand's development. But I'm also keen to the fact that, per my snap counts, he had chip help or was dealing with a widened rusher from Njoku being inline on over half his drop backs. The majority of the rest of the drop backs involved screens, some boot action where he was washing the 1 or 3tech and/or the Browns going to the quick passing game. So there was still significant help throw his way against San Fran in the form of personnel and playcalling. Granted, it makes sense - questionable QB play, so you protect the edges and do what you can to generate cheap offense while avoiding turnovers. But I'm not one to easily impress, so while I recognize the level of game, I also recognize that DJ still has flaws he needs to continuously improve on. I'll check back in here after the game today, because I doubt the coaches will be giving him the level of help he received against Bosa. And like I mentioned above, the Colts have a couple of those shorter, 'boxy' type edge rushers.
A possibly off the mark observation/theory l have about Jones is that he’s not going to rack up a lot of holding calls. His blocking style comfort zone seems to be to use his hands and size to keep opponents literally at arms’ reach. A sort of push ‘em back push ‘em back approach where, as long as his feet can maintain position, works for him.
And it doesn’t allow the defender to get close enough where he would have the opportunity to hold him.
Sound like a sound theory? And is there a website that keeps track of holding calls where l could verify this?
A possibly off the mark observation/theory l have about Jones is that he’s not going to rack up a lot of holding calls. His blocking style comfort zone seems to be to use his hands and size to keep opponents literally at arms’ reach. A sort of push ‘em back push ‘em back approach where, as long as his feet can maintain position, works for him.
And it doesn’t allow the defender to get close enough where he would have the opportunity to hold him.
Sound like a sound theory? And is there a website that keeps track of holding calls where l could verify this?
To an extent. Dawand already has two? I believe holding calls against him. That's in the running game though. Which is where I maintain that, at his size, his feet will likely always been an issue creating drive in the running game. However, where you are right and how your theory fits, is keeping defenders at arms reach. That isn't really possible when you're washing down anyone on the IDL. Good footwork, low base, and drive are the biggest 3. When we run vertical zone, he just doesn't move the way smaller tackles would. Which also makes for a potential hit and miss in the screen game. I showed in my review thread where he was blown up by releasing downfield and getting smoked from too much space allowed between himself on the LB. But he also came back in week 2 and had a nice HB screen setup to his side, where he was tighter to the line and let the RB work closer to his setup.
I know the Brownies have 9 holding calls on the season, but I don't have the breakdown on how many assigned to whom. Off top, I know Pocic and Dawand each have 1.
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Dear lord what shoe size is that?!?
Dear lord what shoe size is that?!?
If they put those things on a website for dating - that young feller is going to show up to training camp in shape next year...
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A possibly off the mark observation/theory l have about Jones is that he’s not going to rack up a lot of holding calls. His blocking style comfort zone seems to be to use his hands and size to keep opponents literally at arms’ reach. A sort of push ‘em back push ‘em back approach where, as long as his feet can maintain position, works for him.
And it doesn’t allow the defender to get close enough where he would have the opportunity to hold him.
Sound like a sound theory? And is there a website that keeps track of holding calls where l could verify this?
To an extent. Dawand already has two? I believe holding calls against him. That's in the running game though. Which is where I maintain that, at his size, his feet will likely always been an issue creating drive in the running game. However, where you are right and how your theory fits, is keeping defenders at arms reach. That isn't really possible when you're washing down anyone on the IDL. Good footwork, low base, and drive are the biggest 3. When we run vertical zone, he just doesn't move the way smaller tackles would. Which also makes for a potential hit and miss in the screen game. I showed in my review thread where he was blown up by releasing downfield and getting smoked from too much space allowed between himself on the LB. But he also came back in week 2 and had a nice HB screen setup to his side, where he was tighter to the line and let the RB work closer to his setup.
I know the Brownies have 9 holding calls on the season, but I don't have the breakdown on how many assigned to whom. Off top, I know Pocic and Dawand each have 1.
To an extent. Dawand already has two? I believe holding calls against him. That's in the running game though. Which is where I maintain that, at his size, his feet will likely always been an issue creating drive in the running game. However, where you are right and how your theory fits, is keeping defenders at arms reach. That isn't really possible when you're washing down anyone on the IDL. Good footwork, low base, and drive are the biggest 3. When we run vertical zone, he just doesn't move the way smaller tackles would. Which also makes for a potential hit and miss in the screen game. I showed in my review thread where he was blown up by releasing downfield and getting smoked from too much space allowed between himself on the LB. But he also came back in week 2 and had a nice HB screen setup to his side, where he was tighter to the line and let the RB work closer to his setup.
I know the Brownies have 9 holding calls on the season, but I don't have the breakdown on how many assigned to whom. Off top, I know Pocic and Dawand each have 1.
Teller has at least 1 or 2 that I remember.
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Holding calls IMO come from OLinemen who are either slow to get off the ball/react to stunts or have bad/slow feet.
Honestly, I'd kind of expect someone his size to exhibit some or all of that, but so far, so good.
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Dear lord what shoe size is that?!?
Dear lord what shoe size is that?!?
Dorsal Fin.
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Dear lord what shoe size is that?!?
Mama would call those bad boyz a pair of "Canal Boats" ?
15" plus
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So much potential there. If he keeps improving, it is his position, and I doubt we see much more of Conklin.
Now if only he had a big, or slightly littler brother who could plat LT!
I'd think Conklin's days with the Browns are over, I'm sure the Browns would save a ton of money if Jones replaced Conklin, which will come in handy in the very near future.
Plus, Conklin is always hurt.
I'd think Conklin's days with the Browns are over, I'm sure the Browns would save a ton of money if Jones replaced Conklin, which will come in handy in the very near future.
Plus, Conklin is always hurt.
Didn't they extend his contract length and salary amount this past off-season? I thought I read that on the Browns website. I can't remember how much cake, if any, they guaranteed. It's too bad because in 1 respect Conklin is the ultimate professional and very talented when healthy. The problem is what you alluded to about him never being healthy. He tries to play through injuries a lot; but that has made him vulnerable to collateral injuries.
Now for the blind side, I think the Browns have already blindly committed to Jed's 5 year option.
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
I'd think Conklin's days with the Browns are over, I'm sure the Browns would save a ton of money if Jones replaced Conklin, which will come in handy in the very near future.
Plus, Conklin is always hurt.
Didn't they extend his contract length and salary amount this past off-season? I thought I read that on the Browns website. I can't remember how much cake, if any, they guaranteed. It's too bad because in 1 respect Conklin is the ultimate professional and very talented when healthy. The problem is what you alluded to about him never being healthy. He tries to play through injuries a lot; but that has made him vulnerable to collateral injuries.
Now for the blind side, I think the Browns have already blindly committed to Jed's 5 year option.
Didn't they extend his contract length and salary amount this past off-season? I thought I read that on the Browns website. I can't remember how much cake, if any, they guaranteed. It's too bad because in 1 respect Conklin is the ultimate professional and very talented when healthy. The problem is what you alluded to about him never being healthy. He tries to play through injuries a lot; but that has made him vulnerable to collateral injuries.
Now for the blind side, I think the Browns have already blindly committed to Jed's 5 year option.
Committing to Jed is like committing suicide....
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I'd think Conklin's days with the Browns are over, I'm sure the Browns would save a ton of money if Jones replaced Conklin, which will come in handy in the very near future.
Plus, Conklin is always hurt.
Didn't they extend his contract length and salary amount this past off-season? I thought I read that on the Browns website. I can't remember how much cake, if any, they guaranteed. It's too bad because in 1 respect Conklin is the ultimate professional and very talented when healthy. The problem is what you alluded to about him never being healthy. He tries to play through injuries a lot; but that has made him vulnerable to collateral injuries.
Now for the blind side, I think the Browns have already blindly committed to Jed's 5 year option.
Didn't they extend his contract length and salary amount this past off-season? I thought I read that on the Browns website. I can't remember how much cake, if any, they guaranteed. It's too bad because in 1 respect Conklin is the ultimate professional and very talented when healthy. The problem is what you alluded to about him never being healthy. He tries to play through injuries a lot; but that has made him vulnerable to collateral injuries.
Now for the blind side, I think the Browns have already blindly committed to Jed's 5 year option.
Conklin should really consider retiring at this point. I believe he restructured before this season into a 3 year deal.
Jones is Conklin's longterm replacement at RT. Not sure what they will do at LT. Some have hypothesized that Jones could be the LT, I just don't know about that. I'd probably stick with him at RT and try and fix the LT problem. (Easier said than done)
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Help or no help Jones is off to a great start. His biggest job will be weight management. He can’t come into camps overweight and heavy footed.
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Didn't they extend his contract length and salary amount this past off-season? I thought I read that on the Browns website. I can't remember how much cake, if any, they guaranteed. It's too bad because in 1 respect Conklin is the ultimate professional and very talented when healthy. The problem is what you alluded to about him never being healthy. He tries to play through injuries a lot; but that has made him vulnerable to collateral injuries.
Now for the blind side, I think the Browns have already blindly committed to Jed's 5 year option.
Conklin should really consider retiring at this point. I believe he restructured before this season into a 3 year deal.
Jones is Conklin's longterm replacement at RT. Not sure what they will do at LT. Some have hypothesized that Jones could be the LT, I just don't know about that. I'd probably stick with him at RT and try and fix the LT problem. (Easier said than done)
Conklin should really consider retiring at this point. I believe he restructured before this season into a 3 year deal.
Jones is Conklin's longterm replacement at RT. Not sure what they will do at LT. Some have hypothesized that Jones could be the LT, I just don't know about that. I'd probably stick with him at RT and try and fix the LT problem. (Easier said than done)
Easier said than done…is spot on. Pat Kirwan made a point a couple weeks ago about expansion football. A caller mentioned the need for the NFL to expand in London and Berlin and other places- Kirwan pointed to the lack of blindside protectors as a concern when you are adding teams. He mentioned there are a good number of teams that have no answer and no options at that spot. That’s an issue if you are trying to protect 230M investments.
The market will be interesting this coming offseason and I don’t think we will have the financial capability to play in it.
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I'd think Conklin's days with the Browns are over, I'm sure the Browns would save a ton of money if Jones replaced Conklin, which will come in handy in the very near future.
Plus, Conklin is always hurt.
Didn't they extend his contract length and salary amount this past off-season? I thought I read that on the Browns website. I can't remember how much cake, if any, they guaranteed. It's too bad because in 1 respect Conklin is the ultimate professional and very talented when healthy. The problem is what you alluded to about him never being healthy. He tries to play through injuries a lot; but that has made him vulnerable to collateral injuries.
Now for the blind side, I think the Browns have already blindly committed to Jed's 5 year option.
Didn't they extend his contract length and salary amount this past off-season? I thought I read that on the Browns website. I can't remember how much cake, if any, they guaranteed. It's too bad because in 1 respect Conklin is the ultimate professional and very talented when healthy. The problem is what you alluded to about him never being healthy. He tries to play through injuries a lot; but that has made him vulnerable to collateral injuries.
Now for the blind side, I think the Browns have already blindly committed to Jed's 5 year option.
Regarding Conklin- yep, the Browns are on the hook for a lot of dead cap for Jack. Not only 2024, but 2025 as well- unless he takes a retirement buyout.
Remains to be seen if he'll try to come back from that ACL injury next year.
And old Jed's a millionaire- the Browns picked up his fifth year 2024 option for $16 million. At best he's average, and at worst a liability.
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Didn't they extend his contract length and salary amount this past off-season? I thought I read that on the Browns website. I can't remember how much cake, if any, they guaranteed. It's too bad because in 1 respect Conklin is the ultimate professional and very talented when healthy. The problem is what you alluded to about him never being healthy. He tries to play through injuries a lot; but that has made him vulnerable to collateral injuries.
Now for the blind side, I think the Browns have already blindly committed to Jed's 5 year option.
Regarding Conklin- yep, the Browns are on the hook for a lot of dead cap for Jack. Not only 2024, but 2025 as well- unless he takes a retirement buyout.
Remains to be seen if he'll try to come back from that ACL injury next year.
And old Jed's a millionaire- the Browns picked up his fifth year 2024 option for $16 million. At best he's average, and at worst a liability.
Regarding Conklin- yep, the Browns are on the hook for a lot of dead cap for Jack. Not only 2024, but 2025 as well- unless he takes a retirement buyout.
Remains to be seen if he'll try to come back form that ACL injury next year.
And old Jed's a millionaire- the Browns picked up his fifth year 2024 option for $16 million. At best he's average, and at worst a liability.
The Browns are just a flat out stupid, poorly run franchise...
Nickers...."There are no old running QB's in the NFL "~Sam Rutigliano~ -
Didn't they extend his contract length and salary amount this past off-season? I thought I read that on the Browns website. I can't remember how much cake, if any, they guaranteed. It's too bad because in 1 respect Conklin is the ultimate professional and very talented when healthy. The problem is what you alluded to about him never being healthy. He tries to play through injuries a lot; but that has made him vulnerable to collateral injuries.
Now for the blind side, I think the Browns have already blindly committed to Jed's 5 year option.
Conklin should really consider retiring at this point. I believe he restructured before this season into a 3 year deal.
Jones is Conklin's longterm replacement at RT. Not sure what they will do at LT. Some have hypothesized that Jones could be the LT, I just don't know about that. I'd probably stick with him at RT and try and fix the LT problem. (Easier said than done)
Conklin should really consider retiring at this point. I believe he restructured before this season into a 3 year deal.
Jones is Conklin's longterm replacement at RT. Not sure what they will do at LT. Some have hypothesized that Jones could be the LT, I just don't know about that. I'd probably stick with him at RT and try and fix the LT problem. (Easier said than done)
I agree. Conklin has had nothing but bad luck trying to stay healthy. I think we got into this mess at Left Tackle in the first place by taking Wills who is better suited to play Right Tackle thinking it'll be an easy re-wire. We was wrong. Let's keep Jones in his comfort zone where he has a chance to develop into something great.
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Regarding Conklin- yep, the Browns are on the hook for a lot of dead cap for Jack. Not only 2024, but 2025 as well- unless he takes a retirement buyout.
Remains to be seen if he'll try to come back form that ACL injury next year.
And old Jed's a millionaire- the Browns picked up his fifth year 2024 option for $16 million. At best he's average, and at worst a liability.
The Browns are just a flat out stupid, poorly run franchise...
The Browns are just a flat out stupid, poorly run franchise...
Gosh, Mr. Eeyore, maybe you should find another team to follow?
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Gosh, Mr. Eeyore, maybe you should find another team to follow?
He might be an old sourpuss, but as far as the comment you are reacting to goes, he isn't wrong.
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A man that size walking around with a Chucky doll is all kinds of unnerving
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