Michigan, Again ...... ● ? MICHIGAN 27 Alabama 20 in OT. Yes.
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You are all going to be very, very disappointed
Will be interesting to find out who hired that third party investigative firm though. A certain Cryin' Ryan has a brother with an investigative firm... Hmmm...
You are all going to be very, very disappointed
Will be interesting to find out who hired that third party investigative firm though. A certain Cryin' Ryan has a brother with an investigative firm... Hmmm...
Pathetic response. I actually expect better of you.
Tressel got what he deserved - not for the tats part, but for misleading the NCAA and not informing the feds + them about an ongoing investigation. Had he done that, it would be fine.
There is evidence of a systemic issue here, and all you have is to gaslight.
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You are all going to be very, very disappointed
Will be interesting to find out who hired that third party investigative firm though. A certain Cryin' Ryan has a brother with an investigative firm... Hmmm...
Pathetic response. I actually expect better of you.
Tressel got what he deserved - not for the tats part, but for misleading the NCAA and not informing the feds + them about an ongoing investigation. Had he done that, it would be fine.
There is evidence of a systemic issue here, and all you have is to gaslight.
Pathetic response. I actually expect better of you.
Tressel got what he deserved - not for the tats part, but for misleading the NCAA and not informing the feds + them about an ongoing investigation. Had he done that, it would be fine.
There is evidence of a systemic issue here, and all you have is to gaslight.
There is no evidence linking this up the chain throughout Michigan. There is evidence of a rogue agent. If there is evidence of a systemic issue, I'll change my response.
Of course this is all about sign stealing, which everyone does. Advance scouting the NCAA has said in the past provides minimal competitive advantage. What Stallions was getting is basically what is availably publicly. Plenty of coaches have said it isn't a big deal.
But I am very interested in figuring out who hired that third party investigative firm. That's very strange.
We'll see what happens. Michigan's president and regents wanting to extend Harbaugh leads me to believe nothing major is happening.
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
You are all going to be very, very disappointed
Will be interesting to find out who hired that third party investigative firm though. A certain Cryin' Ryan has a brother with an investigative firm... Hmmm...
Disguised with CMU gear and sunglasses at night to spy on Michigan State.
Nothing to see here… Everyone does that!
Disguised with CMU gear and sunglasses at night to spy on Michigan State.
Nothing to see here… Everyone does that!
What benefit did that give Michigan though? Why wouldn't he just record from the stands? How did he get in without CMU knowing?
And yeah, Stallions should be fired.
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You are all going to be very, very disappointed
Will be interesting to find out who hired that third party investigative firm though. A certain Cryin' Ryan has a brother with an investigative firm... Hmmm...
It doesn’t take an investigative firm to see him on the sidelines next to the defensive coaches
It doesn’t take an investigative firm to see him on the sidelines next to the defensive coaches
Right, he was the sign stealing guy. It's his job.
OSU has one too. He made his Venmo private right after this all broke. Maybe we'll hire an investigative firm and repay the favor
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
Pathetic response. I actually expect better of you.
Tressel got what he deserved - not for the tats part, but for misleading the NCAA and not informing the feds + them about an ongoing investigation. Had he done that, it would be fine.
There is evidence of a systemic issue here, and all you have is to gaslight.
There is no evidence linking this up the chain throughout Michigan. There is evidence of a rogue agent. If there is evidence of a systemic issue, I'll change my response.
Of course this is all about sign stealing, which everyone does. Advance scouting the NCAA has said in the past provides minimal competitive advantage. What Stallions was getting is basically what is availably publicly. Plenty of coaches have said it isn't a big deal.
But I am very interested in figuring out who hired that third party investigative firm. That's very strange.
We'll see what happens. Michigan's president and regents wanting to extend Harbaugh leads me to believe nothing major is happening.
There is no evidence linking this up the chain throughout Michigan. There is evidence of a rogue agent. If there is evidence of a systemic issue, I'll change my response.
Of course this is all about sign stealing, which everyone does. Advance scouting the NCAA has said in the past provides minimal competitive advantage. What Stallions was getting is basically what is availably publicly. Plenty of coaches have said it isn't a big deal.
Scouting is scouting, sign stealing THAT far in advance, especially with today's technical abilities to confirm and process in real time, is too much. Which is why this type of in person "scouting" has been illegal for over 30 years now.
No, unless (it is) a coordinated effort, it is not just "available publicly". The guy bought tickets on his own account and digitally sent them to other accounts. Whom did they go to if this guy was so 'rogue?'. If you'd like I'd be more than happy to purchase the both of us tickets and you can do try to decipher signals in real time and use them. One of two, here or there, absolutely. But enough where your coach, who floats around .500 career in one score games at half is now .1000 the past couple seasons? Nah. Plus the spread covers, which hilariously enough I even noticed last year. Up until Rutgers, UM was a money train for me. I kept rolling those bets over weekly when they posted, was it six or seven straight?
No low level functionary has access to the coaches in-game at nearly any other school like this. What's even more funny, is this guy is on the sidelines giving Harbaugh real time information.
At no point did he think to himself "gosh, wonder how captain low-on-the-totem got this"? Which is wilful ignorance, an even worse sin.
What benefit did that give Michigan though? Why wouldn't he just record from the stands? How did he get in without CMU knowing?
And yeah, Stallions should be fired.
Seriously? You've never had anyone close to you that knew football or was military?
If you've probed for Intel, you have to verify the integrity of said Intel. There has to be boots on the ground at some point. There are alleged contacts that Stallions had at CMU. And even if they weren't used, think it's difficult to forge a university pass off of your current sideline one and then laminate the CMU credentials over it? Most gameday security would look and go "alright, seems fine".
Back to the Intel. Let's say you've gathered two years worth of signals on teams. You have the ability to travel, no far mind you, no ticket cost if you get in on tbe sidelines, which removes logistical concerns and no digital of paper trail record of buying tickets. Now you get to see what calls Sparty runs, and if they've changed. Now you get to see if you have gaps in your Intel that formed over the course of an off-season. Where it's now reasonable to infer you'll have gaps elsewhere from other coaches And what on? (Formation signals, personnel, protection, etc etc)
Doesn't take much to piece together how that sounds like law enforcement agencies sharing data and Intel. The accusation is logically sound, which is exactly why fuck wad was on the sideline trying to be incognito.
He's a program clinger, and an expendable one, hence the plausible deniability. Whatever he gathered, and those that helped him, was absolutely used by the UM coaches and there's evidence to more than just politely suggest as much.
If this guy is rain man and remembering everything he sees from the sidelines? Fine with it, he'll be one of maybe a handful of people on planet earth with that capability. In which case, fuck getting him in trouble, pay him double and bring him to tOSU. But he isn't, or this network of advanced recon would be unnecessary.
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Pathetic response. I actually expect better of you.
Tressel got what he deserved - not for the tats part, but for misleading the NCAA and not informing the feds + them about an ongoing investigation. Had he done that, it would be fine.
There is evidence of a systemic issue here, and all you have is to gaslight.
There is no evidence linking this up the chain throughout Michigan. There is evidence of a rogue agent. If there is evidence of a systemic issue, I'll change my response.
Of course this is all about sign stealing, which everyone does. Advance scouting the NCAA has said in the past provides minimal competitive advantage. What Stallions was getting is basically what is availably publicly. Plenty of coaches have said it isn't a big deal.
But I am very interested in figuring out who hired that third party investigative firm. That's very strange.
We'll see what happens. Michigan's president and regents wanting to extend Harbaugh leads me to believe nothing major is happening.
There is no evidence linking this up the chain throughout Michigan. There is evidence of a rogue agent. If there is evidence of a systemic issue, I'll change my response.
Of course this is all about sign stealing, which everyone does. Advance scouting the NCAA has said in the past provides minimal competitive advantage. What Stallions was getting is basically what is availably publicly. Plenty of coaches have said it isn't a big deal.
But I am very interested in figuring out who hired that third party investigative firm. That's very strange.
So what you are telling us is you have no idea what is goin on?
Michigan hired them.
We'll see what happens. Michigan's president and regents wanting to extend Harbaugh leads me to believe nothing major is happening.
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There is no evidence linking this up the chain throughout Michigan. There is evidence of a rogue agent. If there is evidence of a systemic issue, I'll change my response.
Of course this is all about sign stealing, which everyone does. Advance scouting the NCAA has said in the past provides minimal competitive advantage. What Stallions was getting is basically what is availably publicly. Plenty of coaches have said it isn't a big deal.
But I am very interested in figuring out who hired that third party investigative firm. That's very strange.
So what you are telling us is you have no idea what is goin on?
Michigan hired them.
We'll see what happens. Michigan's president and regents wanting to extend Harbaugh leads me to believe nothing major is happening.
Michigan hired a firm, to investigate Michigan, to provide info to the NCAA, without telling Michigan, that Michigan already had.
And this makes sense.... Why?
(Multiple sources have said this has nothing to do with Weiss)
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
I find it hard to believe that Harbaugh and other key staff members knew nothing about stallions and this operation.
Any functional football mind should realize these efforts were excessive and against the rules.
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I find it hard to believe that Harbaugh and other key staff members knew nothing about stallions and this operation.
Any functional football mind should realize these efforts were excessive and against the rules.
I find it hard to believe that Harbaugh and other key staff members knew nothing about stallions and this operation.
Any functional football mind should realize these efforts were excessive and against the rules.
What evidence do you have that Harbaugh knew?
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
I find it hard to believe that Harbaugh and other key staff members knew nothing about stallions and this operation.
Any functional football mind should realize these efforts were excessive and against the rules.
What evidence do you have that Harbaugh knew?
What evidence do you have that Harbaugh knew?
Reminiscent of Tressel…the sooner you move on the better. You will attract a top candidate that will recruit better talent
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It doesn’t take an investigative firm to see him on the sidelines next to the defensive coaches
Right, he was the sign stealing guy. It's his job.
OSU has one too. He made his Venmo private right after this all broke. Maybe we'll hire an investigative firm and repay the favor
Right, he was the sign stealing guy. It's his job.
OSU has one too. He made his Venmo private right after this all broke. Maybe we'll hire an investigative firm and repay the favor
Highly doubtful, OSU doesn’t need to signals, to beat other teams. Meatchicken, OBVIOUSLY does
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Right, he was the sign stealing guy. It's his job.
OSU has one too. He made his Venmo private right after this all broke. Maybe we'll hire an investigative firm and repay the favor
Highly doubtful, OSU doesn’t need to signals, to beat other teams. Meatchicken, OBVIOUSLY does
Highly doubtful, OSU doesn’t need to signals, to beat other teams. Meatchicken, OBVIOUSLY does
Everyone has a sign stealer hahahaha.
You think this is why OSU got their shit pushed in the last two seasons? I mean, of course you do. Sad.
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
Highly doubtful, OSU doesn’t need to signals, to beat other teams. Meatchicken, OBVIOUSLY does
Everyone has a sign stealer hahahaha.
You think this is why OSU got their shit pushed in the last two seasons? I mean, of course you do. Sad.
Everyone has a sign stealer hahahaha.
You think this is why OSU got their shit pushed in the last two seasons? I mean, of course you do. Sad.
When the sign stealing started, Harbutt was about to get fired, and was regularly beaten by the Big Ten, all of a sudden, he started winning? Not a shocker
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I’m going to go on record here. Everyone on here knows I don’t like Jim Harbaugh, and, yes, I even used his real name. I think he’s an arrogant POS, who only looks out for himself
That being said, I don’t think he, PERSONALLY, told this guy to go out and, buy tickets, stand on the sidelines, and record, and steal signs.
But, when he found out that this info could help him, he used the info to his advantage, and according to the rules, that’s wrongI would be shocked if he’s back at TTUN next year.
Hello Vegas, and $15 million a year from that fool Marc Davis -
Highly doubtful, OSU doesn’t need to signals, to beat other teams. Meatchicken, OBVIOUSLY does
Everyone has a sign stealer hahahaha.
You think this is why OSU got their shit pushed in the last two seasons? I mean, of course you do. Sad.
Everyone has a sign stealer hahahaha.
You think this is why OSU got their shit pushed in the last two seasons? I mean, of course you do. Sad.
I dunno….We weren’t grabbing our own ankles the seasons/decades prior
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Everyone has a sign stealer hahahaha.
You think this is why OSU got their shit pushed in the last two seasons? I mean, of course you do. Sad.
I dunno….We weren’t grabbing our own ankles the seasons/decades prior
I dunno….We weren’t grabbing our own ankles the seasons/decades prior
Sure seems like TTUN started winning when the cheating started.
No such thing as a coincidence
"And they don't really know even what they're talkin' about And I can't imagine what empty heads can achieve." -
Michigan hired a firm, to investigate Michigan, to provide info to the NCAA, without telling Michigan, that Michigan already had.
And this makes sense.... Why?
(Multiple sources have said this has nothing to do with Weiss)
Michigan hired a firm, to investigate Michigan, to provide info to the NCAA, without telling Michigan, that Michigan already had.
And this makes sense.... Why?
(Multiple sources have said this has nothing to do with Weiss)
No no no Michigan hired the firm to find out if Alex Yood the child predator on the Michigan football staff had been using their computers to contact the 13 year old girl that he got busted trying to meet in person.
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I find it hard to believe that Harbaugh and other key staff members knew nothing about stallions and this operation.
Any functional football mind should realize these efforts were excessive and against the rules.
What evidence do you have that Harbaugh knew?
What evidence do you have that Harbaugh knew?
Now, what I need from you is this - calmly, rationally, explain to me how one of the lowest level staffers in the entire program, is telling the head coach in game a call - and the head coach is listening and adjusting based on said low level staffers calls. All without questioning a single thing. Even maybe a "son, how did you obtain this level of information?".
Like I said, willful ignorance and plausible deniability.
UM coaches are on film using this information. So clearly there were members of the coaching staff, perhaps not Harbaugh, that had taken what Stallions gathered and verified if his work was bullshit or good. Otherwise he wouldn't be in the position he found himself in the above video - on the sidelines, having the coordinators and head coaches ear.
Harbaugh might not have known, but he has coaches immediately under him who did. That's more than enough. If anything, playing dumb speaks to lack of institutional control.
Spin it however you'd like.
Edit: to be clear, the Bucks got their ass kicked in 2021. Straight up. They lost up front and it was real bad.
2022? Took a lead into half time and before you know it, UM DBs shade and overplay every single route called against a potential future #1 overall WR and the QB who is the major favorite to take home NFL RoTY.
.... Then proceed to struggle against Max Duggan and second tier TCU receivers. I watched how UM structured some of their defensive calls and thought, at the time, they were incredibly ballsy/risky. Now it would make more sense they were dialed into the Bucks offensive signals.
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What evidence do you have that Harbaugh knew?
Now, what I need from you is this - calmly, rationally, explain to me how one of the lowest level staffers in the entire program, is telling the head coach in game a call - and the head coach is listening and adjusting based on said low level staffers calls. All without questioning a single thing. Even maybe a "son, how did you obtain this level of information?".
Like I said, willful ignorance and plausible deniability.
UM coaches are on film using this information. So clearly there were members of the coaching staff, perhaps not Harbaugh, that had taken what Stallions gathered and verified if his work was bullshit or good. Otherwise he wouldn't be in the position he found himself in the above video - on the sidelines, having the coordinators and head coaches ear.
Harbaugh might not have known, but he has coaches immediately under him who did. That's more than enough. If anything, playing dumb speaks to lack of institutional control.
Spin it however you'd like.
Edit: to be clear, the Bucks got their ass kicked in 2021. Straight up. They lost up front and it was real bad.
2022? Took a lead into half time and before you know it, UM DBs shade and overplay every single route called against a potential future #1 overall WR and the QB who is the major favorite to take home NFL RoTY.
.... Then proceed to struggle against Max Duggan and second tier TCU receivers. I watched how UM structured some of their defensive calls and thought, at the time, they were incredibly ballsy/risky. Now it would make more sense they were dialed into the Bucks offensive signals.
Now, what I need from you is this - calmly, rationally, explain to me how one of the lowest level staffers in the entire program, is telling the head coach in game a call - and the head coach is listening and adjusting based on said low level staffers calls. All without questioning a single thing. Even maybe a "son, how did you obtain this level of information?".
Like I said, willful ignorance and plausible deniability.
UM coaches are on film using this information. So clearly there were members of the coaching staff, perhaps not Harbaugh, that had taken what Stallions gathered and verified if his work was bullshit or good. Otherwise he wouldn't be in the position he found himself in the above video - on the sidelines, having the coordinators and head coaches ear.
Harbaugh might not have known, but he has coaches immediately under him who did. That's more than enough. If anything, playing dumb speaks to lack of institutional control.
Spin it however you'd like.
Edit: to be clear, the Bucks got their ass kicked in 2021. Straight up. They lost up front and it was real bad.
2022? Took a lead into half time and before you know it, UM DBs shade and overplay every single route called against a potential future #1 overall WR and the QB who is the major favorite to take home NFL RoTY.
.... Then proceed to struggle against Max Duggan and second tier TCU receivers. I watched how UM structured some of their defensive calls and thought, at the time, they were incredibly ballsy/risky. Now it would make more sense they were dialed into the Bucks offensive signals.
Leading with telling me to be calm and rational, when you know you don't like my answer, and I've been nothing but calm and rational, is very condescending and annoying.
Stallions was the sign stealer guy. It's his job. He is supposed to be looking at legally available all 22s, game full, etc and deciphering signs. He's on the sidelines to then tell the coaches.
Every OSU fan is now scouting every minute of Michigan game film to try to find any clip they can to generate an excuse for the last two seasons, with zero context. They share a clip of Stallions telling our DC pass. The whole team knew it was pass. It was 4 to go from the end zone and OSU was one of the worst power teams in the country. And they scored that play.
Every program has a sign stealer. Again, OSUs took his Venmo private right as this all dropped. There are rulings coming out that someone gave Purdue our signals before the title game last year and that's why JJ went to a wristband. There are rumblings someone got video of our practices too. We'll see.
Right, right. This is why OSU lost ... Here we go. We also had, what, two pick sizes against TCU, a catch at the one that should have been a TD, etc etc. OSU apparently thought / knew we had their signs. Staffers have said they changed up signs before playing us. If we had their signs why not use it right away?
Advance scouting being something the NCAA called a minimal advantage. Something that would be legal if not for cost. Something OSU asked about during the CFP and was told it was ok to go scout the other semi final....
Outside of Stallions being in the sidelines at CMU (wild he got there without CMU knowing), there's no evidence Michigan actually broke rules. Sure, it is very loophole-y, but I've seen the specific rules posted enough, and if the university didn't pay and it wasn't staff members going there might not be any rules broken. But the NCAA isn't the law and they can make stuff up as they go.
What's also interesting, again, is where this info came from. There's clearly been a deliberate slow drip of info, right as Harbaugh was going into contract negotiations, to make Michigan look as bad as possible. A lot of smoke out there about Day's bros and the PI firm. Smoke about how a file from a Michigan computer was accessed.
The big ten coaches can pearl clutch to try and hurt Michigan, but they're opening a Pandora's box. I hope Michigan does everything they can to take anyone else down with them.
And if we do find out Day cries to his big bros to get dirt on Harbaugh he's officially the biggest bitch of all time.
Coaches are mad and the big ten commish better not cave to mob rule before due process. If he does I hope Michigan, arguably the conferences biggest school/brand, files a lawsuit.
We'll see what happens, but I hope all he dirt on everyone comes out.
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
I dunno….We weren’t grabbing our own ankles the seasons/decades prior
Sure seems like TTUN started winning when the cheating started.
No such thing as a coincidence
Sure seems like TTUN started winning when the cheating started.
No such thing as a coincidence
You clearly have no accurate recollection of history.
The biggest change was beating OSU. That's it (with the covid year not really counting). And that was enough for Day to, potentially, cry to his big bros
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