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    So many have waxed so poetically about the shit sandwich that has been served to the Browns - players, coaches and fans. I've nothing further to add, but will quote on of the great intellects of our time, Daniel Simpson Day...

    "Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?"

    @ap1 said:

    So many have waxed so poetically about the shit sandwich that has been served to the Browns - players, coaches and fans. I've nothing further to add, but will quote on of the great intellects of our time, Daniel Simpson Day...

    "Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?"

    Just pissed myself reading that, no wonder I've never heard of this Simpson Day fellow.

  • @ap1 said:

    So many have waxed so poetically about the shit sandwich that has been served to the Browns - players, coaches and fans. I've nothing further to add, but will quote on of the great intellects of our time, Daniel Simpson Day...

    "Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?"

    Just pissed myself reading that, no wonder I've never heard of this Simpson Day fellow.

    @yorkie-going-tot-dogs said:

    Just pissed myself reading that, no wonder I've never heard of this Simpson Day fellow.

    It’s a line from the movie Animal House.

  • @sdbacker80 said:

    Let me be bipolar for a second…How about Tom Brady becomes the GOAT of All GOATs of everything and plays a slightly better version of Trent Dilfer and leads the way to a SB victory?

    I'll take one any way we can get one!

    @orion said:

    I'll take one any way we can get one!

    Me too my man!

  • @mddawg said:

    Rumors Tannenhill demanding a release. What do you guys think of him with this offense and defense compared to Ryan or Foles?

    But would the Titans release him is the question?  Definitely a better option than Ryan or Foles.  

    @bbedward said:

    We better have another qb on the roster before Sunday, though obviously it’s too short notice to start against Pittsburgh.

    DTR is fine against Pittsburgh, though. Can’t afford to baby him when the alternative is Walker throwing 5 picks.

    Berry is "looking".... Too bad Andy. As they say- you're a day late, and a dollar short. EDIT hot from NFL.com...  Should since they're starting DTR against the Steelers, they had better make sure they have Watt doubly accounted for on every play. If the season is going to go in the crapper, let's see what the rookie has.... We know what we have in Walker.  

    PS... Checking shoulder anatomy, the glenoid bone is what your shoulder socket sits in...  "Displaced" means it's not just fractured, but the parts of the bone aren't together anymore. I'm not going to Buy Berry's rose colored glasses assessment either. Shit, you can get surgical scarring, adhesions, or early onset arthritis.  ?

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    @hoorta said:

    But would the Titans release him is the question?  Definitely a better option than Ryan or Foles.  

    Exactly. Even if he was released, he still has to clear waivers, and somebody in the playoff race would pick him up so we couldn't get him. 

  • @hoorta said:

    But would the Titans release him is the question?  Definitely a better option than Ryan or Foles.  

    Exactly. Even if he was released, he still has to clear waivers, and somebody in the playoff race would pick him up so we couldn't get him. 

    @jiggins7919 said:

    somebody in the playoff race

    With a serviceable QB, which respectfully excludes DTR and PJ, we are smack bang in the middle of the play-off race!

  •  Fracture supposedly happened first half. Which means Watson went into the lock room halftime, likely got shot up, and then also dealt with the ankle middle of the 3rd qtr as well. 

     I can't question his toughness at this point.  Dude was all smiles after the game, running on adrenaline.  

  •  Fracture supposedly happened first half. Which means Watson went into the lock room halftime, likely got shot up, and then also dealt with the ankle middle of the 3rd qtr as well. 

     I can't question his toughness at this point.  Dude was all smiles after the game, running on adrenaline.  

    @tiamat63 said:

     Fracture supposedly happened first half. Which means Watson went into the lock room halftime, likely got shot up, and then also dealt with the ankle middle of the 3rd qtr as well. 

     I can't question his toughness at this point.  Dude was all smiles after the game, running on adrenaline.  

    But, but, but he got his money and doesn’t wanna play anymore.

    One of the reports yesterday was that he got 3 opinions to see if there was anyway he could play through the season without getting surgery. But all the doctors said that the risk was too high.

    Just horrible luck for him and the team, at least we got to see him stomp Baltimore with a broken shoulder.

  •  Fracture supposedly happened first half. Which means Watson went into the lock room halftime, likely got shot up, and then also dealt with the ankle middle of the 3rd qtr as well. 

     I can't question his toughness at this point.  Dude was all smiles after the game, running on adrenaline.  

    @tiamat63 said:

     Fracture supposedly happened first half. Which means Watson went into the lock room halftime, likely got shot up, and then also dealt with the ankle middle of the 3rd qtr as well. 

     I can't question his toughness at this point.  Dude was all smiles after the game, running on adrenaline.  

    Yeah and 14/14 speaks volumes in itself under those conditions. And for the Negative Nancy Naysayers:

  • @ghoolie-always-ghoolie said:

    No cigar. You are even contradicting yourself. If the previous condition, as you say, made Watson more likely to get a worse injury, why the fuck was the 230 million dollar man allowed to play?

    Having a strained weakened joint or was it a hit?

    Let me give you the official diagnosis. It is called BULLSHIT. My best friend is an accomplished orthopedic surgeon..He calls this bullshit.

    But Tom....  He had a MRI when he screwed up his shoulder the first time. Do you want to believe they 

    1) Either missed the fracture, (damn unlikely) or

    2) Told him go out there and play with a displaced glenoid fracture?

    Nope, I say new injury..  🙁    

  • @hoorta said:

    But would the Titans release him is the question?  Definitely a better option than Ryan or Foles.  

    Exactly. Even if he was released, he still has to clear waivers, and somebody in the playoff race would pick him up so we couldn't get him. 

    @jiggins7919 said:

    Exactly. Even if he was released, he still has to clear waivers, and somebody in the playoff race would pick him up so we couldn't get him. 

    Not so Jiggins... I had to double check.  waivers only apply to players with less than 4 years in the league. 

    Tannehill has 11 years in the league which makes him a vested veteran... The rules are different.  🙂   

    Players with at least four accrued NFL seasons of service time are released. They're vested veterans. When a player gets released, it's the end of his contract. He becomes free to sign with any other team.

    Yeah, those dreaming of getting Tom Brady... He's not currently under contract, just like Foles and Flacco.  

  • @jiggins7919 said:

    Exactly. Even if he was released, he still has to clear waivers, and somebody in the playoff race would pick him up so we couldn't get him. 

    Not so Jiggins... I had to double check.  waivers only apply to players with less than 4 years in the league. 

    Tannehill has 11 years in the league which makes him a vested veteran... The rules are different.  🙂   

    Players with at least four accrued NFL seasons of service time are released. They're vested veterans. When a player gets released, it's the end of his contract. He becomes free to sign with any other team.

    Yeah, those dreaming of getting Tom Brady... He's not currently under contract, just like Foles and Flacco.  

    @hoorta said:

    Not so Jiggins... I had to double check.  waivers only apply to players with less than 4 years in the league. 

    Tannehill has 11 years in the league which makes him a vested veteran... The rules are different.  🙂   

    Players with at least four accrued NFL seasons of service time are released. They're vested veterans. When a player gets released, it's the end of his contract. He becomes free to sign with any other team

    After the trade deadline, they all go to waivers regardless iirc

  • @hoorta said:

    Not so Jiggins... I had to double check.  waivers only apply to players with less than 4 years in the league. 

    Tannehill has 11 years in the league which makes him a vested veteran... The rules are different.  🙂   

    Players with at least four accrued NFL seasons of service time are released. They're vested veterans. When a player gets released, it's the end of his contract. He becomes free to sign with any other team

    After the trade deadline, they all go to waivers regardless iirc

    @bbedward said:

    After the trade deadline, they all go to waivers regardless iirc

    Hate to tell you, nope... Do your research if you don't believe me.  🙂  

  • @bbedward said:

    After the trade deadline, they all go to waivers regardless iirc

    Hate to tell you, nope... Do your research if you don't believe me.  🙂  

    @hoorta said:

    Hate to tell you, nope... Do your research if you don't believe me.  🙂  

    Well, according to NFL 

    Once the waiver period starts each year through the trading deadline, a vested veteran — a player who has acquired four years of pension credit — is not subject to the waiver system if the club decides to release him. That means if a team decides to release a vested veteran, the league considers his contract to be terminated immediately and he is free to negotiate and sign with any other club. From the trading deadline through the end of the regular season, vested veterans are subject to the waiver process.

    --

    Though, the murmurs about Ryan Tannehill demanding release seem to just be rumors still. So may be moot, I don't know that any team would be willing to pick his contract up off waivers just to spite the browns. In the AFC I'd think maybe colts or jets.  

  • @hoorta said:

    Hate to tell you, nope... Do your research if you don't believe me.  🙂  

    Well, according to NFL 

    Once the waiver period starts each year through the trading deadline, a vested veteran — a player who has acquired four years of pension credit — is not subject to the waiver system if the club decides to release him. That means if a team decides to release a vested veteran, the league considers his contract to be terminated immediately and he is free to negotiate and sign with any other club. From the trading deadline through the end of the regular season, vested veterans are subject to the waiver process.

    --

    Though, the murmurs about Ryan Tannehill demanding release seem to just be rumors still. So may be moot, I don't know that any team would be willing to pick his contract up off waivers just to spite the browns. In the AFC I'd think maybe colts or jets.  

    @bbedward said:

    Well, according to NFL 

    Once the waiver period starts each year through the trading deadline, a vested veteran — a player who has acquired four years of pension credit — is not subject to the waiver system if the club decides to release him. That means if a team decides to release a vested veteran, the league considers his contract to be terminated immediately and he is free to negotiate and sign with any other club. From the trading deadline through the end of the regular season, vested veterans are subject to the waiver process.

    Well, I suppose so bb....  But in reality, Tannehill isn't going to get released.   That little detail pre and post trading deadline.  My bad.  🙂  

  • @bbedward said:

    Well, according to NFL 

    Once the waiver period starts each year through the trading deadline, a vested veteran — a player who has acquired four years of pension credit — is not subject to the waiver system if the club decides to release him. That means if a team decides to release a vested veteran, the league considers his contract to be terminated immediately and he is free to negotiate and sign with any other club. From the trading deadline through the end of the regular season, vested veterans are subject to the waiver process.

    Well, I suppose so bb....  But in reality, Tannehill isn't going to get released.   That little detail pre and post trading deadline.  My bad.  🙂  

    @hoorta said:

    Well, I suppose so bb....  But in reality, Tannehill isn't going to get released.   That little detail pre and post trading deadline.  My bad.  🙂  

    Yea the rumor of him demanding a release started from a fake twitter account, so probably not happening. If it does, the Jets would get him off waivers over us most likely. Especially if they manage to beat the bills.

  •  Fracture supposedly happened first half. Which means Watson went into the lock room halftime, likely got shot up, and then also dealt with the ankle middle of the 3rd qtr as well. 

     I can't question his toughness at this point.  Dude was all smiles after the game, running on adrenaline.  

    @tiamat63 said:

    I can't question his

    ...level of stupidity.  He continued to run and take on tacklers.  It wasn't until later that I saw him slide for the first time in memory.  And he slid a yard short of the 1st down.  Can we get a retired baseball coach in here to teach our QB's how to slide?  And Stef always says something like, That's how DeShaun plays the game.  Fuck That!  You're the coach!  Tell him you'll fine his ass if he doesn't slide.  You CANNOT have your QB getting hurt and out for the season for doing avoidable stuff.  Now you're screwed Stef!

  • @tiamat63 said:

    I can't question his

    ...level of stupidity.  He continued to run and take on tacklers.  It wasn't until later that I saw him slide for the first time in memory.  And he slid a yard short of the 1st down.  Can we get a retired baseball coach in here to teach our QB's how to slide?  And Stef always says something like, That's how DeShaun plays the game.  Fuck That!  You're the coach!  Tell him you'll fine his ass if he doesn't slide.  You CANNOT have your QB getting hurt and out for the season for doing avoidable stuff.  Now you're screwed Stef!

    @orion said:

    ...level of stupidity.  He continued to run and take on tacklers.  It wasn't until later that I saw him slide for the first time in memory.  And he slid a yard short of the 1st down.  Can we get a retired baseball coach in here to teach our QB's how to slide?  And Stef always says something like, That's how DeShaun plays the game.  Fuck That!  You're the coach!  Tell him you'll fine his ass if he doesn't slide.  You CANNOT have your QB getting hurt and out for the season for doing avoidable stuff.  Now you're screwed Stef!

    Watson started 47 of 48 games for Houston between 2018-2020.

    Would you be happier if we had some statue who never runs and sits in the pocket?

    You know, like Bernie Kosar, who never had to worry about sliding because homeboy couldn't run a 40 under five days? The same guy whose career was effectively over by the time he was 30? 

  • @tiamat63 said:

    I can't question his

    ...level of stupidity.  He continued to run and take on tacklers.  It wasn't until later that I saw him slide for the first time in memory.  And he slid a yard short of the 1st down.  Can we get a retired baseball coach in here to teach our QB's how to slide?  And Stef always says something like, That's how DeShaun plays the game.  Fuck That!  You're the coach!  Tell him you'll fine his ass if he doesn't slide.  You CANNOT have your QB getting hurt and out for the season for doing avoidable stuff.  Now you're screwed Stef!

    @orion said:

    ...level of stupidity.  He continued to run and take on tacklers.  It wasn't until later that I saw him slide for the first time in memory.  And he slid a yard short of the 1st down.  Can we get a retired baseball coach in here to teach our QB's how to slide?  And Stef always says something like, That's how DeShaun plays the game.  Fuck That!  You're the coach!  Tell him you'll fine his ass if he doesn't slide.  You CANNOT have your QB getting hurt and out for the season for doing avoidable stuff.  Now you're screwed Stef!

      Meh.  I'm calling it a difficult learning lesson, but a QB who is also feeling the pressure to deliver as well.   You're trying to will your team to a win that might catapult you in a place to earn a playoff spot.   It's just not thinking beyond the moment and going to hard for that play.  

  • I keep seeing Tom Brady's name being circulated in connection with the Browns and I just want to know who actually thinks he would consider coming here? Or that it would be a good idea? He said before that he was retired for good and is probably no where near football shape. Why would he come out of retirement to take a beating behind our patchwork line?