● Official ? - NFL WEEK 12 - CLE 12 -at- DEN 29 ● What a letdown ● Nov. 26. "L"
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Anybody that doesn't think DTR isn't improving is high. He looked worse that DeShone Kizer against the Ravens. Led a winning drive against Pittsburgh, and threw his first touchdown pass this game. How is that not improvement? Don't see how that player that laid that hit on DTR to knock him out of the game doesn't get fined. How can DTR have a bloody lip and a concussion and that not be a dirty hit?
Thank you! People want to think the only problem is DTR to the extent they were excited to see FREAKIN PJ Walker again?
BYW, Sean Payton was right - that Hackett guy that used to Coach Denver is the one in charge of the train wreck of an offense for the NY Jets.
Thank you! People want to think the only problem is DTR to the extent they were excited to see FREAKIN PJ Walker again?
BYW, Sean Payton was right - that Hackett guy that used to Coach Denver is the one in charge of the train wreck of an offense for the NY Jets.
When you want to turn a close loss into a rout... Put in Walker. The ghost of Ernest Byner lives in Denver... How many lost fumbles?
Browns needed to play error free ball to win, nowhere close. Too bad because JOK had a monster game.
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Thank you! People want to think the only problem is DTR to the extent they were excited to see FREAKIN PJ Walker again?
BYW, Sean Payton was right - that Hackett guy that used to Coach Denver is the one in charge of the train wreck of an offense for the NY Jets.
When you want to turn a close loss into a rout... Put in Walker. The ghost of Ernest Byner lives in Denver... How many lost fumbles?
Browns needed to play error free ball to win, nowhere close. Too bad because JOK had a monster game.
When you want to turn a close loss into a rout... Put in Walker. The ghost of Ernest Byner lives in Denver... How many lost fumbles?
Browns needed to play error free ball to win, nowhere close. Too bad because JOK had a monster game.
I have no idea how a walker led team got us wins this year, my god he is so ass.
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And DTR was less than 50%… again. Don’t recall anything completed past 15 air yards. Some pathetic Njoku drops again, but this game looked lost long before Walker came in to seal the deal.
The corpse of Joe Flacco is our only hope, DTR is a better option as a QB2 to potentially not lose us games in a pinch.
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@ghoolie-always-ghoolie said:
Ah yes, preseason. Even an imbecile knows this means nothing
But our imbeciles didn't know this means ?nothing apparently.
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And DTR was less than 50%… again. Don’t recall anything completed past 15 air yards. Some pathetic Njoku drops again, but this game looked lost long before Walker came in to seal the deal.
The corpse of Joe Flacco is our only hope, DTR is a better option as a QB2 to potentially not lose us games in a pinch.
And DTR was less than 50%… again. Don’t recall anything completed past 15 air yards. Some pathetic Njoku drops again, but this game looked lost long before Walker came in to seal the deal.
The corpse of Joe Flacco is our only hope, DTR is a better option as a QB2 to potentially not lose us games in a pinch.
The score was 17-12 when DTR got knocked out, not sure how "the game looked lost long before that"...
But Flacco coming in to start almost seems like a given, unless they want to roll with Walker vs the Rams and give Flacco one more week to get up to speed?
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And DTR was less than 50%… again. Don’t recall anything completed past 15 air yards. Some pathetic Njoku drops again, but this game looked lost long before Walker came in to seal the deal.
The corpse of Joe Flacco is our only hope, DTR is a better option as a QB2 to potentially not lose us games in a pinch.
The score was 17-12 when DTR got knocked out, not sure how "the game looked lost long before that"...
But Flacco coming in to start almost seems like a given, unless they want to roll with Walker vs the Rams and give Flacco one more week to get up to speed?
But Flacco coming in to start almost seems like a given, unless they want to roll with Walker vs the Rams and give Flacco one more week to get up to speed?
We have to come back from the west coast 8-4.
BEING A BROWNS FAN IS A TEST TO SEE HOW MUCH YOU CAN TAKE -
And DTR was less than 50%… again. Don’t recall anything completed past 15 air yards. Some pathetic Njoku drops again, but this game looked lost long before Walker came in to seal the deal.
The corpse of Joe Flacco is our only hope, DTR is a better option as a QB2 to potentially not lose us games in a pinch.
The score was 17-12 when DTR got knocked out, not sure how "the game looked lost long before that"...
But Flacco coming in to start almost seems like a given, unless they want to roll with Walker vs the Rams and give Flacco one more week to get up to speed?
The score was 17-12 when DTR got knocked out, not sure how "the game looked lost long before that"...
But Flacco coming in to start almost seems like a given, unless they want to roll with Walker vs the Rams and give Flacco one more week to get up to speed?
I mean the way it was going, didn’t look like the team was going to win that game. Dtr was still rocking a sub-50% completion percentage on 30 attempts.
I’d be happy if walker never played another snap for the browns again.
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But Flacco coming in to start almost seems like a given, unless they want to roll with Walker vs the Rams and give Flacco one more week to get up to speed?
We have to come back from the west coast 8-4.
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Any intel on whether they're staying out all week or if they flew back to CLE?
They are staying all week and practicing at ucla
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The score was 17-12 when DTR got knocked out, not sure how "the game looked lost long before that"...
But Flacco coming in to start almost seems like a given, unless they want to roll with Walker vs the Rams and give Flacco one more week to get up to speed?
I mean the way it was going, didn’t look like the team was going to win that game. Dtr was still rocking a sub-50% completion percentage on 30 attempts.
I’d be happy if walker never played another snap for the browns again.
I mean the way it was going, didn’t look like the team was going to win that game. Dtr was still rocking a sub-50% completion percentage on 30 attempts.
I’d be happy if walker never played another snap for the browns again.
That was Denver's 5th win in a row so this wasn't exclusive to just DTR. Mahomes played his worst game of the year vrs Denver if memory serves me right (KC was one of the 5 teams in Denver's winning streak). DTR is a 5th round rookie QB regardless of how disappointed some want to be in him.
I have no idea whatsoever why this FO traded away the continuity of Dobbs being here last year and this preseason for some late round pick and/or a Walmart Cola they got in return from the Cardinals. He had familiarity with the offense and NFL experience at a very important position that ultimately decides whether you win or lose. I can sit here and dwell on that or remember the Browns are 7-4; before I do so I DO have to question why they waited so long to bring in Flacco. It would have been nice to have him familiar and comfortable with the playbook by now.
What bothered me was the lack of focus. 3rd and 1 and we false start. Then it's 4th and 1 and Harrison Bryant fumbles away the snap. On defense, Alex Wright lined up offsides on back to back plays. You do that against Russell Wilson and he's gonna have your defense exhausted
FWIW, here's what Denver did to KC the last time they played this year during their current winning streak. I think you'll see KC had just as much trouble scoring TDs as the Browns did against them.
Broncos vs. Chiefs final score
TEAM 1st 2nd 3rd 4th FINAL Kansas City Chiefs 3 6 0 0 9 Denver Broncos 7 7 0 10 24 I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
The score was 17-12 when DTR got knocked out, not sure how "the game looked lost long before that"...
But Flacco coming in to start almost seems like a given, unless they want to roll with Walker vs the Rams and give Flacco one more week to get up to speed?
I mean the way it was going, didn’t look like the team was going to win that game. Dtr was still rocking a sub-50% completion percentage on 30 attempts.
I’d be happy if walker never played another snap for the browns again.
I mean the way it was going, didn’t look like the team was going to win that game. Dtr was still rocking a sub-50% completion percentage on 30 attempts.
I’d be happy if walker never played another snap for the browns again.
Regarding DTR, I see a kid who has a great upside. He's started 3 games now, yesterday I thought he overcame a jittery start & settled in. WRs, Njoku let him down, along with a truly odd game plan.
I've been very supportive of Stefanski- yesterday not his finest game. Was he trying to see if DTR can get it done down the stretch? If so, yikes. My opinion is DTR can, but now with the concussion, he's probably out Sunday.
PJ Walker, sorry. You've got a big heart but just not enough field presence. He's an "emergency only" guy. Well, with all these injuries, he plays.
The Browns are resilient this year. We've all said "how long can it last?" Well, at this point another fairly tough game lies ahead vs the Rams
Losing DBs and possibly Cooper, DTR, Garrett, playing backups on the O line. Stefanski has his work cut out.
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I mean the way it was going, didn’t look like the team was going to win that game. Dtr was still rocking a sub-50% completion percentage on 30 attempts.
I’d be happy if walker never played another snap for the browns again.
That was Denver's 5th win in a row so this wasn't exclusive to just DTR. Mahomes played his worst game of the year vrs Denver if memory serves me right (KC was one of the 5 teams in Denver's winning streak). DTR is a 5th round rookie QB regardless of how disappointed some want to be in him.
I have no idea whatsoever why this FO traded away the continuity of Dobbs being here last year and this preseason for some late round pick and/or a Walmart Cola they got in return from the Cardinals. He had familiarity with the offense and NFL experience at a very important position that ultimately decides whether you win or lose. I can sit here and dwell on that or remember the Browns are 7-4; before I do so I DO have to question why they waited so long to bring in Flacco. It would have been nice to have him familiar and comfortable with the playbook by now.
What bothered me was the lack of focus. 3rd and 1 and we false start. Then it's 4th and 1 and Harrison Bryant fumbles away the snap. On defense, Alex Wright lined up offsides on back to back plays. You do that against Russell Wilson and he's gonna have your defense exhausted
FWIW, here's what Denver did to KC the last time they played this year during their current winning streak. I think you'll see KC had just as much trouble scoring TDs as the Browns did against them.
Broncos vs. Chiefs final score
TEAM 1st 2nd 3rd 4th FINAL Kansas City Chiefs 3 6 0 0 9 Denver Broncos 7 7 0 10 24 That was Denver's 5th win in a row so this wasn't exclusive to just DTR. Mahomes played his worst game of the year vrs Denver if memory serves me right (KC was one of the 5 teams in Denver's winning streak). DTR is a 5th round rookie QB regardless of how disappointed some want to be in him.
I have no idea whatsoever why this FO traded away the continuity of Dobbs being here last year and this preseason for some late round pick and/or a Walmart Cola they got in return from the Cardinals. He had familiarity with the offense and NFL experience at a very important position that ultimately decides whether you win or lose. I can sit here and dwell on that or remember the Browns are 7-4; before I do so I DO have to question why they waited so long to bring in Flacco. It would have been nice to have him familiar and comfortable with the playbook by now.
What bothered me was the lack of focus. 3rd and 1 and we false start. Then it's 4th and 1 and Harrison Bryant fumbles away the snap. On defense, Alex Wright lined up offsides on back to back plays. You do that against Russell Wilson and he's gonna have your defense exhausted
FWIW, here's what Denver did to KC the last time they played this year during their current winning streak. I think you'll see KC had just as much trouble scoring TDs as the Browns did against them.
Broncos vs. Chiefs final score
TEAM 1st 2nd 3rd 4th FINAL Kansas City Chiefs 3 6 0 0 9 Denver Broncos 7 7 0 10 24 Yea Denver is legit, especially their pass defense. I probably wouldn’t have cooked a game plan that called for 40+ passes and so many stupid trick plays, but what do I know I’m not a coach.
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That was Denver's 5th win in a row so this wasn't exclusive to just DTR. Mahomes played his worst game of the year vrs Denver if memory serves me right (KC was one of the 5 teams in Denver's winning streak). DTR is a 5th round rookie QB regardless of how disappointed some want to be in him.
I have no idea whatsoever why this FO traded away the continuity of Dobbs being here last year and this preseason for some late round pick and/or a Walmart Cola they got in return from the Cardinals. He had familiarity with the offense and NFL experience at a very important position that ultimately decides whether you win or lose. I can sit here and dwell on that or remember the Browns are 7-4; before I do so I DO have to question why they waited so long to bring in Flacco. It would have been nice to have him familiar and comfortable with the playbook by now.
What bothered me was the lack of focus. 3rd and 1 and we false start. Then it's 4th and 1 and Harrison Bryant fumbles away the snap. On defense, Alex Wright lined up offsides on back to back plays. You do that against Russell Wilson and he's gonna have your defense exhausted
FWIW, here's what Denver did to KC the last time they played this year during their current winning streak. I think you'll see KC had just as much trouble scoring TDs as the Browns did against them.
Broncos vs. Chiefs final score
TEAM 1st 2nd 3rd 4th FINAL Kansas City Chiefs 3 6 0 0 9 Denver Broncos 7 7 0 10 24 Yea Denver is legit, especially their pass defense. I probably wouldn’t have cooked a game plan that called for 40+ passes and so many stupid trick plays, but what do I know I’m not a coach.
Yea Denver is legit, especially their pass defense. I probably wouldn’t have cooked a game plan that called for 40+ passes and so many stupid trick plays, but what do I know I’m not a coach.
The best thing we can all do is put this stinker behind us and hope the Browns learned from it. Our defense didn't look the same without Denzel Ward at the back end. We have to hope he can play - especially this week.
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I mean the way it was going, didn’t look like the team was going to win that game. Dtr was still rocking a sub-50% completion percentage on 30 attempts.
I’d be happy if walker never played another snap for the browns again.
Regarding DTR, I see a kid who has a great upside. He's started 3 games now, yesterday I thought he overcame a jittery start & settled in. WRs, Njoku let him down, along with a truly odd game plan.
I've been very supportive of Stefanski- yesterday not his finest game. Was he trying to see if DTR can get it done down the stretch? If so, yikes. My opinion is DTR can, but now with the concussion, he's probably out Sunday.
PJ Walker, sorry. You've got a big heart but just not enough field presence. He's an "emergency only" guy. Well, with all these injuries, he plays.
The Browns are resilient this year. We've all said "how long can it last?" Well, at this point another fairly tough game lies ahead vs the Rams
Losing DBs and possibly Cooper, DTR, Garrett, playing backups on the O line. Stefanski has his work cut out.
Losing DBs and possibly Cooper, DTR, Garrett, playing backups on the O line. Stefanski has his work cut out.
I mean, losing every single franchise player to injury is usually the end, but we have such a deep DB room (except newsome sucked yesterday for some reason), and the other rooms have stepped up well (like RB). Hopefully Garrett is nothing serious.
Onto a very tough 2 games against the LA rams who are coming to form and the jags who are looking legit.
Dont care who the QB is, as long as it’s not walker. Never want to see the bad man take a snap for the browns ever again
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Losing DBs and possibly Cooper, DTR, Garrett, playing backups on the O line. Stefanski has his work cut out.
I mean, losing every single franchise player to injury is usually the end, but we have such a deep DB room (except newsome sucked yesterday for some reason), and the other rooms have stepped up well (like RB). Hopefully Garrett is nothing serious.
Onto a very tough 2 games against the LA rams who are coming to form and the jags who are looking legit.
Dont care who the QB is, as long as it’s not walker. Never want to see the bad man take a snap for the browns ever again
I mean, losing every single franchise player to injury is usually the end, but we have such a deep DB room (except newsome sucked yesterday for some reason), and the other rooms have stepped up well (like RB). Hopefully Garrett is nothing serious.
Onto a very tough 2 games against the LA rams who are coming to form and the jags who are looking legit.
Dont care who the QB is, as long as it’s not walker. Never want to see the bad man take a snap for the browns ever again
Yep. Damnit.
I don't want to be doom & gloom but all the good vibes are slipping away....
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I mean, losing every single franchise player to injury is usually the end, but we have such a deep DB room (except newsome sucked yesterday for some reason), and the other rooms have stepped up well (like RB). Hopefully Garrett is nothing serious.
Onto a very tough 2 games against the LA rams who are coming to form and the jags who are looking legit.
Dont care who the QB is, as long as it’s not walker. Never want to see the bad man take a snap for the browns ever again
Yep. Damnit.
I don't want to be doom & gloom but all the good vibes are slipping away....
Yep. Damnit.
I don't want to be doom & gloom but all the good vibes are slipping away....
The fat lady has not yet sung, it may feel like she's warming up, so I don't want to be fatalistic and speak in platitudes.
If I'm an owner, in this specific situation, I'm having a meeting with the chain of command informing them they are expected to have maximum contingencies for such a situation and that the current state shows no such contingency was considered. This does not fall on the players that did not show up to play. This does not fall on the coaches that looked unprepared and were outcoached.
This falls squarely on the personnel decision makers, be it DePodesta, be it Berry. I'm not sure about the accountability of the command structure, but someone needs an ass chewing, a good solid ass chewing with passion, emotion and some fists slammed on the desk, and, as a result, someone's leash needs to be a little shorter.
I don't want to blow it up. I don't want people fired. I don't want to start all over. I want to finish as strong as possible, because that's what champions do, and I want every shortcoming assessed, analyzed and remediated and I want everyone from the Owner's Box to the guy that cleans the bathrooms to understand and acknowledge how good it felt to be 7-3, and winning games thought unwinnable. I want everyone to be on the same page and buy in and I want the 2024 Browns to do what everyone thought the 1995 Browns would do - WIN THE SUPER BOWL.
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The browns easily get 3 more wins and a playoff berth still, imo. Too early for doom and gloom.
PJ Walker should never be activated on game day ever again, unless he joins the Steelers or ravens.
Flacco and DTR are both capable of getting wins. DTR brings more mobility, Flacco brings better decision making (likes to chuck it deep and draw pass interferences, and check down to RBs …a lot)
I have a hard time imagining we don’t come away with 1 win between the Rams, Jags, and Texans . Obviously we prefer the wins against the afc teams.
An even harder time imagining we don’t go 3-0 vs bears, jets, and bengals.
Bengals divisional game, but stefanski absolutely owns them and week 18 in Cincy will essentially be another home game
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