Take Tim Couch out and put in Derek Anderson
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Well, we could have traded up for Jamarcus and avoided Quinn.
However, we'd be without a ProBowl LT and we'd have seen this line for today:
7-24 for 109 and a 46 rating.
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Dan I dont think DA is as bad as every one else thinks he is. I dont think we have to draft a qb next year honestly.... I would rather draft for the defense at linebacker or offensive or some other skill player.
I dont think we are a playoff team, I think we are at max a 6-7 win team because we are missing pieces like a dominant outside/inside linebacker, we used to have offense but also the headaches of DA's gunslinging mr throw too hard at times....
We can compete the defense is not that bad nor is our team just replace bQ or he needs to sling the rock hard and accurately 15-25 yards out to loosen up defensive planning against us.
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Ah Lum, you're back with the Lerner forced Quinn to start.
No comment on DA's 0 for 3 I posted in another thread? (In case you missed it: 1) unable to make a QB starved Ravens team, 2) losing a QB competition to the awful Frye, and 3) losing his job to the awful Quinn.)
Three different coaching staffs, three different GM's and two owners have passed on DA and he's the savoir why again?
Fraud.
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Wow, what's it like to live in Lumberghia, where the problems of the world are caused by Brady Quinn and fixed by removing Brady Quinn completely?
Sounds like a wonderfully strange place. Like a Bizarro football world where Oregonians can make magic happen on the football field just by virtue of their being from Oregon...
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I like how people are blaming the offensive coordinator and the right side of the line..... O and the best is the 2 games when these two games MIRROR HIS LAST TWO GAMES LAST SEASON..... YOU KNOW AFTER THE DENVER GAME WHERE ALL TEAMS HAD TO DO IS PLAY TIGHT DEFENSE TO TAKE AWAY HIS SHORT PASSING GAME.
Wait how about when Quinn had all day in the backfield yet still could not find anyone.... Yes the Defense fell down BECAUSE THE OFFENSE COULD NOT SUSTAIN A DRIVE...
Sure the LOS is crowded and lbs are inside the box ALL TAKING AWAY THE SHORT PASSING GAME AND MAKING RUSHING MORE DIFFICULT......
Sure this is Only his 2nd game of the year BUT THE SAME AS HIS LAST TWO AWFUL GAMES FROM LAST YEAR...... You know the ones where Defensive coordinators got tape on him AND MADE ONE ADJUSTMENT MAKING OUT ENTIRE TEAM ONE DIMENSIONAL..... I like how all the announcers talk about our anemic offensive trends..... AFTER QUINN STARTED......
I like how no brAdy backers bring up the SAME TREND IN A DEFENSE HOLDING ON AND THAN IN THE SECOND HALF AFTER THEY ARE GASSED BECAUSE THE OFFENSE OF DINK AND DUNK CANT STAY ON THE FIELD BREAK.... TWO GAMES IN A ROW BASICALLY IN THE SAME WAY....
Sure keep trying the blame the right side of the line and the offensive coordinators..... ITS BRADY AND HIS INABILITY TO THROW THE BALL WITH VELOCITY ACCURATELY....
Ok suddenly brady sucks and people talk about drafting another qb when some YOUNG qb WHO BROKE FRANCHISE RECORDS FOR BEST SINGLE SEASON HOME GAME RECORD...... is around..... O we can develop a young Brady but not DA who has ACTUALLY WON GAMES and led our offense against all kinds of defenses cant be developed.
Irish..... way to argue the points..... but than again you really cant and neither can the brady backers, ITS NOT 2 GAMES ITS 4 WITH THE EXACT SAME RESULTS.
This was DENVER you really think next week with the Ravens he is going to progress to see what he has? really?
Greythan......
FACT: ERIC MANGINI CANT BE BLAMED FOR PLAYING BQ BUT HE WOULD HAVE BEEN CRUCIFIED BY FANS WHO BUY TICKETS AND PRODUCTS FOR STARTING DA.
FACT: RAC DID NOT HAVE NORMAL COACHING AUTHORITY AND PHIL SAVAGE RAN THE TEAM
FACT: BRADY QUINN HAS ALWAYS BEEN RATED WITH AVERAGE ARM STRENGTH AND BEEN QUESTIONED ABOUT HIS DOWN FIELD ACCURACY
FACT: OUR DEFENSE HAS COLLAPSED THE SAME WAY TWO GAMES IN A ROW THAT A ANEMIC DINK AND DUNK OFFENSE CANT STAY ON THE FIELD
FACT: ANNOUNCERS USE THE TERM CHECKDOWN A BILLION TIMES WHEN QUINN IS THE QB DURING THE GAME
FACT: OUR TEAM HAS NOT SCORED A DEFENSE IN THE FIRST 3 QUARTERS OF EACH GAME THIS YEAR EVEN THOUGH WE HAVE HAD AWESOME FIELD POSITION
Sure DENVER has a GREAT defense right? and Minnesota must have a great pass defense also....
FACT: WE SUCK OFFENSIVELY EVEN THOUGHT BE CAN CATCH BALLS AND BRADY HAS TIME TO THROW BALLS....
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Ah Lum, you're back with the Lerner forced Quinn to start.
No comment on DA's 0 for 3 I posted in another thread? (In case you missed it: 1) unable to make a QB starved Ravens team, 2) losing a QB competition to the awful Frye, and 3) losing his job to the awful Quinn.)
Three different coaching staffs, three different GM's and two owners have passed on DA and he's the savoir why again?
Fraud.
Three different coaching staffs, three different GM's and two owners have passed on DA and he's the savoir why again?
Fraud.
because right now there are only 2 realistic QB's in the team and apparently the one on the field is not being trusted with throwing the ball, and we are struggling to get touchdowns. Oh, not to forget, if we can accuse the coaching staff of selecting the wrong plays, then cant we also accuse the coaching staff of selecting the wrong QB ?
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Wow, what's it like to live in Lumberghia, where the problems of the world are caused by Brady Quinn and fixed by removing Brady Quinn completely?
Sounds like a wonderfully strange place. Like a Bizarro football world where Oregonians can make magic happen on the football field just by virtue of their being from Oregon...
Wow, what's it like to live in Lumberghia, where the problems of the world are caused by Brady Quinn and fixed by removing Brady Quinn completely?
Sounds like a wonderfully strange place. Like a Bizarro football world where Oregonians can make magic happen on the football field just by virtue of their being from Oregon...
if Quinn wasn't drafted we wouldn't be dealing with all this bullshit.
there wouldn't be an 8 game TD-less streak.
and the Browns wouldn't be ranked #32 in the power rankings.
but alas, BQ Nation really wanted to see BQ play.
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would have had an offense today.
As opposed to that awesome DA led offense last season right - where he couldn't pass for an avg of 135.5 yards the first 4 games?
He sucked ass last season, so now it is your turn to eat the shit QB play we had to do since the 2nd half of 2007. Deal with it.
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Sev, do us all a favor and quit yelling. I hate reading in all caps. Makes you look like a middle schooler.
Here's the deal: DA lost the competition. Mangini didn't have a dog in the fight. His only motivation is to win. Its the only element in his compensation package that matters: longevity. Winning equals longevity in most cases.
So, while you pine away for your anti-Quinn (I believe you'd pull for any alternative to Quinn based on your well stated biases against him) you have to face the fact that DA couldn't stave off the horrid BQ to keep his job.
Read that last sentence a few times. Seriously.
So, here's the bottom line: If Quinn continues to suck, we're in the market for a QB barring some miraculous transformation by DA. Pretty simple.
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No, really, what's it like there?
From your posts, it seems very different from our world. Here in our world, the Browns drafted Brady Quinn because they needed a starting QB. We didn't have one worth mentioning, which is why Quinn was drafted in the first place.
In our world, we failed miserably last year partially because of poor QB play. Our QB last year had a penchant for throwing the ball to the other team and sometimes scoring points for them in the process. Is this how football is played where you come from? It's not how we play it here, so I was wondering.
It's interesting also how in your world, the TD-less streak is Quinn's fault, even though he didn't play in most of those games. Is that part of how things are counted in Bizarro world? Backwards and without meaning?
That would explain why you're so good at this counting you do!
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Lum, any thoughts on non-QB related elements from today's contest now that you are using the "we" word?
Probably impossible for you to post as you'd either have to say everyone played great except Quinn. Even you are that stupid...... I think.
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Quinn is exposed! He is no better than anybody else on the team!
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Wow, I think sev's lost his mind.
Or he's found Lumberghia and this is what it does to people not accustomed to their way of thinking. Maybe that's why he's shouting? He thinks we can't understand him and he should speak louder, maybe. You know, like how people shout at deaf people?
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@danamal said:
Sev,You seem awfully passionate about this and their is nothing wrong with that but whats your point?
Da is the cure all and everyone of us fans and the coaching staff are just to blind to see it?
You want the Browns to win and so do I but at some point we may have to think outside the box and get another QB from the draft or trade if this Quinn thing doesnt work out.
DA is a step backwards,this team is lacking in many areas and to be honest with you QB should be the last thing we discuss,we gave up so many 3rd and tens I wanted to punch a hole through my monitor,this team has issues and we are not going to the playoffs no matter who hikes the ball.
if handing the ball to the RB and not throwing interceptions are the only consideration for a QB then sure BQ has the advantage but apart from that BQ has done nothing to show that he deserves to lead the team. DA for all his inconsistencies can throw and any coach that does not want to take advantage of that arm (esp now when we have a non existent right tackle and no reliable RB or TE and one WR BE who can make big plays) is probably too stubborn to acknowledge the problem that exist. We are so low on the offensive play makers that we need to test any miracles that we can get.
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funny no one argues any of my points.....
what happened to nfl ready and film junkie? what happened?
you want to know why I am mad? because its US who are to blame. Fans do hold some influence in terms of ticket sales, product sales, etc.....
brady brady brady ....... boo boo DA...... sound familiar?
Money is still pretty important as far as i know...... dumb ass fans screaming for some subway spokesman who has never proven squat and buying jersies..... chanting at games while the other guy actually breaks franchise records but unfortunately for him phil savage made a jump at a draft for some qb who fell past 21 other teams who all must be wrong,,,,
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greythan I DONT CARE IF YOU DONT LIKE READING CAPS.....
i like your stupid argument that DA could not "win" a competition against BQ.... sure because Mangini does not have a tenous career choice after being fired once.......
Sure Rac and the Phil savage show was some sort of proven commodity of talent evaluation and implementation like New England or Pittsburgh.....
My anti Quinn stemmed from college where I thought he was a beneficiary of some media hype on Weis and thought both of them were overrated..... Seems like I was real off there lmao...... more hype than substance was my opinion..... how was bq last 4 starts? weis.... yea I dont need to even state anything there you can just say I am right.
o the "streak" one I dont care, unless you want to watch a whole lot of field goals and dink and dunk games with defenses tired because we cant sustain a drive.... which was pretty much the case AGAIN today..... or you mean that anemic offense who cant score is not BQ fault? sure
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My god Sev, you come off as completely naive.
Seriously, you believe that DA would be starting if it weren't for the fans? Honestly? You really believe that Mangini in what may likely be his second and last chance to secure head coaching tenure in the NFL would base his starting QB decision on fan sentiment? Yup, that's logical as hell.
Plus, you miss the ENTIRE point that the supposed Quinn crew has been making for eons: its not about Quinn.
Again, read that sentence again a few times.
Oh hell, I'll explain.
Many of us, me included, don't believe that DA is the answer. It looks like Ozzie Newsome, RAC, and Mangini agree. Follow the logic tree here: If DA isn't the answer, what should we do? Start Quinn and see if he is. There's no other logical option based on current personnel.
If Quinn flames out (he sure hasn't done anything yet to quell that sentiment, so you may have this one right!) then we need a QB.
Again, pretty simple. Who are you arguing with again?
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Sev, don't get your panties in a bunch. Just string together a cohesive set of uncapped sentences for us. We'd like to understand your point.
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Its not that bad, I mean Pissburgh lost and that is always great news
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funny no one argues any of my points.....
what happened to nfl ready and film junkie? what happened?
you want to know why I am mad? because its US who are to blame. Fans do hold some influence in terms of ticket sales, product sales, etc.....
brady brady brady ....... boo boo DA...... sound familiar?
Money is still pretty important as far as i know...... dumb ass fans screaming for some subway spokesman who has never proven squat and buying jersies..... chanting at games while the other guy actually breaks franchise records but unfortunately for him phil savage made a jump at a draft for some qb who fell past 21 other teams who all must be wrong,,,,
funny no one argues any of my points.....
Please!!!! Are you kidding me with that line?
DA didn't pass for over 135.5 YPG his first 4 games last season, and the 9 games he started, 6 of them were an avg of 140 YPG.
Gimme a fooking break, telling us nobody argues your points. My ass. We know Quinn and the team is sucking, but don't ever feed me this BS that DA did better. Yeah, and he ALSO DID WORSE.
So shut it. We have 2 equally shitty QB's.
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