Take Tim Couch out and put in Derek Anderson
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would have had an offense today.
As opposed to that awesome DA led offense last season right - where he couldn't pass for an avg of 135.5 yards the first 4 games?
He sucked ass last season, so now it is your turn to eat the shit QB play we had to do since the 2nd half of 2007. Deal with it.
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Sev, do us all a favor and quit yelling. I hate reading in all caps. Makes you look like a middle schooler.
Here's the deal: DA lost the competition. Mangini didn't have a dog in the fight. His only motivation is to win. Its the only element in his compensation package that matters: longevity. Winning equals longevity in most cases.
So, while you pine away for your anti-Quinn (I believe you'd pull for any alternative to Quinn based on your well stated biases against him) you have to face the fact that DA couldn't stave off the horrid BQ to keep his job.
Read that last sentence a few times. Seriously.
So, here's the bottom line: If Quinn continues to suck, we're in the market for a QB barring some miraculous transformation by DA. Pretty simple.
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No, really, what's it like there?
From your posts, it seems very different from our world. Here in our world, the Browns drafted Brady Quinn because they needed a starting QB. We didn't have one worth mentioning, which is why Quinn was drafted in the first place.
In our world, we failed miserably last year partially because of poor QB play. Our QB last year had a penchant for throwing the ball to the other team and sometimes scoring points for them in the process. Is this how football is played where you come from? It's not how we play it here, so I was wondering.
It's interesting also how in your world, the TD-less streak is Quinn's fault, even though he didn't play in most of those games. Is that part of how things are counted in Bizarro world? Backwards and without meaning?
That would explain why you're so good at this counting you do!
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Lum, any thoughts on non-QB related elements from today's contest now that you are using the "we" word?
Probably impossible for you to post as you'd either have to say everyone played great except Quinn. Even you are that stupid...... I think.
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Quinn is exposed! He is no better than anybody else on the team!
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Wow, I think sev's lost his mind.
Or he's found Lumberghia and this is what it does to people not accustomed to their way of thinking. Maybe that's why he's shouting? He thinks we can't understand him and he should speak louder, maybe. You know, like how people shout at deaf people?
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@danamal said:
Sev,You seem awfully passionate about this and their is nothing wrong with that but whats your point?
Da is the cure all and everyone of us fans and the coaching staff are just to blind to see it?
You want the Browns to win and so do I but at some point we may have to think outside the box and get another QB from the draft or trade if this Quinn thing doesnt work out.
DA is a step backwards,this team is lacking in many areas and to be honest with you QB should be the last thing we discuss,we gave up so many 3rd and tens I wanted to punch a hole through my monitor,this team has issues and we are not going to the playoffs no matter who hikes the ball.
if handing the ball to the RB and not throwing interceptions are the only consideration for a QB then sure BQ has the advantage but apart from that BQ has done nothing to show that he deserves to lead the team. DA for all his inconsistencies can throw and any coach that does not want to take advantage of that arm (esp now when we have a non existent right tackle and no reliable RB or TE and one WR BE who can make big plays) is probably too stubborn to acknowledge the problem that exist. We are so low on the offensive play makers that we need to test any miracles that we can get.
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funny no one argues any of my points.....
what happened to nfl ready and film junkie? what happened?
you want to know why I am mad? because its US who are to blame. Fans do hold some influence in terms of ticket sales, product sales, etc.....
brady brady brady ....... boo boo DA...... sound familiar?
Money is still pretty important as far as i know...... dumb ass fans screaming for some subway spokesman who has never proven squat and buying jersies..... chanting at games while the other guy actually breaks franchise records but unfortunately for him phil savage made a jump at a draft for some qb who fell past 21 other teams who all must be wrong,,,,
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greythan I DONT CARE IF YOU DONT LIKE READING CAPS.....
i like your stupid argument that DA could not "win" a competition against BQ.... sure because Mangini does not have a tenous career choice after being fired once.......
Sure Rac and the Phil savage show was some sort of proven commodity of talent evaluation and implementation like New England or Pittsburgh.....
My anti Quinn stemmed from college where I thought he was a beneficiary of some media hype on Weis and thought both of them were overrated..... Seems like I was real off there lmao...... more hype than substance was my opinion..... how was bq last 4 starts? weis.... yea I dont need to even state anything there you can just say I am right.
o the "streak" one I dont care, unless you want to watch a whole lot of field goals and dink and dunk games with defenses tired because we cant sustain a drive.... which was pretty much the case AGAIN today..... or you mean that anemic offense who cant score is not BQ fault? sure
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My god Sev, you come off as completely naive.
Seriously, you believe that DA would be starting if it weren't for the fans? Honestly? You really believe that Mangini in what may likely be his second and last chance to secure head coaching tenure in the NFL would base his starting QB decision on fan sentiment? Yup, that's logical as hell.
Plus, you miss the ENTIRE point that the supposed Quinn crew has been making for eons: its not about Quinn.
Again, read that sentence again a few times.
Oh hell, I'll explain.
Many of us, me included, don't believe that DA is the answer. It looks like Ozzie Newsome, RAC, and Mangini agree. Follow the logic tree here: If DA isn't the answer, what should we do? Start Quinn and see if he is. There's no other logical option based on current personnel.
If Quinn flames out (he sure hasn't done anything yet to quell that sentiment, so you may have this one right!) then we need a QB.
Again, pretty simple. Who are you arguing with again?
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Sev, don't get your panties in a bunch. Just string together a cohesive set of uncapped sentences for us. We'd like to understand your point.
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Its not that bad, I mean Pissburgh lost and that is always great news
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funny no one argues any of my points.....
what happened to nfl ready and film junkie? what happened?
you want to know why I am mad? because its US who are to blame. Fans do hold some influence in terms of ticket sales, product sales, etc.....
brady brady brady ....... boo boo DA...... sound familiar?
Money is still pretty important as far as i know...... dumb ass fans screaming for some subway spokesman who has never proven squat and buying jersies..... chanting at games while the other guy actually breaks franchise records but unfortunately for him phil savage made a jump at a draft for some qb who fell past 21 other teams who all must be wrong,,,,
funny no one argues any of my points.....
Please!!!! Are you kidding me with that line?
DA didn't pass for over 135.5 YPG his first 4 games last season, and the 9 games he started, 6 of them were an avg of 140 YPG.
Gimme a fooking break, telling us nobody argues your points. My ass. We know Quinn and the team is sucking, but don't ever feed me this BS that DA did better. Yeah, and he ALSO DID WORSE.
So shut it. We have 2 equally shitty QB's.
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There's a lot of Lumberghian-level stupidity going on in here tonight.
It's obvious that what this team needs right now is a big-armed, scatter-shot QB to right the ship. Because he's been so good at bringing order and stability to the team in the past.
Guys, this is Quinn's 2nd start of the year. There are plenty of offensive issues, especially at RT and RB, not to mention WR and TE.
But let's keep a little perspective: it was 10-6 in the 3rd quarter, 13-6 into the 4th quarter. Think about that for a sec, those of you blowing your brains all over the board.
10-6 in the 3rd, 13-6 in the 4th.
Despite Dumervil making St. Clair look like a practice player, despite 2 AWFUL turnovers, despite the inability to run the ball AT ALL:
10-6 in the 3rd, 13-6 in the 4th.
People: WE WERE STILL IN THIS GAME IN THE SECOND HALF.
Quinn didn't make the killer mistake. He didn't sink his team. He didn't throw the dumb pick out of frustration, he didn't throw the back-breaking pick 6, he didn't pick a fight with his WRs and kick a pylon.
Quinn didn't have a ton of positives but he did have a few really good completions and he had ZERO killer mistakes.
For those of you who actually REMEMBER last year and the end of 2007, that is a HUGE upgrade at the QB position.
Again, QB is NOT our biggest issue anymore no matter how people want to spin it.
There's a lot of Lumberghian-level stupidity going on in here tonight.
It's obvious that what this team needs right now is a big-armed, scatter-shot QB to right the ship. Because he's been so good at bringing order and stability to the team in the past.
Guys, this is Quinn's 2nd start of the year. There are plenty of offensive issues, especially at RT and RB, not to mention WR and TE.
But let's keep a little perspective: it was 10-6 in the 3rd quarter, 13-6 into the 4th quarter. Think about that for a sec, those of you blowing your brains all over the board.
10-6 in the 3rd, 13-6 in the 4th.
Despite Dumervil making St. Clair look like a practice player, despite 2 AWFUL turnovers, despite the inability to run the ball AT ALL:
10-6 in the 3rd, 13-6 in the 4th.
People: WE WERE STILL IN THIS GAME IN THE SECOND HALF.
Quinn didn't make the killer mistake. He didn't sink his team. He didn't throw the dumb pick out of frustration, he didn't throw the back-breaking pick 6, he didn't pick a fight with his WRs and kick a pylon.
Quinn didn't have a ton of positives but he did have a few really good completions and he had ZERO killer mistakes.
For those of you who actually REMEMBER last year and the end of 2007, that is a HUGE upgrade at the QB position.
Again, QB is NOT our biggest issue anymore no matter how people want to spin it.
I didn't get to watch the game, I was a t work. But, if I read Yahoo correctly BQ fumbled the ball which turned into a TD for the Broncos.
3rd-9, CLE13 9:14 B. Quinn rushed up the middle for no gain. B. Quinn fumbled. D. Reid recovered fumble
Denver - 9:14
1st-10, CLE10 9:14 K. Moreno rushed up the middle for 4 yard gain
2nd-5, CLE5 8:37 K. Moreno rushed to the right for 3 yard gain
3rd-2, CLE2 8:03 K. Orton passed to T. Scheffler to the left for 2 yard touchdown. M. Prater made PAT
Now since I did not get to watch the game you can answer for me if that fumble was BQ's fault or the winds? Maybe a fumble that turns into a TD is not a killer mistake. I don't know. But please do tell me who's fault the fumble was.
And 10 - 6 in the third quarter and 13 - 6 early in the fourth quarter. Sounds to me like the defense was playing pretty good hoping that the offense could produce.
First possession they start near the 25 yard line of Denver and get a FG and then on the third possession they DO move the ball 51 yards for another FG.
Only 1 possession of more than 8 plays *1 out of 12). 5 Possessions of 3 and out and no drives for over 51 yards.
This does sound much more like a offensive problem than a defensive one.
I don't think that putting in DA at this time is a good idea. I stick by what I said earlier, Leave him in until week 10 at least. You need to be sure before you give up on him. But I will say that for BQ's sake I really hope he gets rid of the ball faster next week.
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and one can't forget that DA has had some shit games a lot worse than Quinn has dished up so far.
So what do you want, a consistantly mediocre QB that loses 80 percent of his starts, or an occasionally brilliant but occasionally bad QB that's won half his starts with a team with little history of winning?
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I think our issue has little to do with the QB and a lot to do with the offense as a whole and the horrible playcalling.
.... aka Daboll.
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would have had an offense today.
As opposed to that awesome DA led offense last season right - where he couldn't pass for an avg of 135.5 yards the first 4 games?
He sucked ass last season, so now it is your turn to eat the shit QB play we had to do since the 2nd half of 2007. Deal with it.
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As opposed to that awesome DA led offense last season right - where he couldn't pass for an avg of 135.5 yards the first 4 games?
He sucked ass last season, so now it is your turn to eat the shit QB play we had to do since the 2nd half of 2007. Deal with it.
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The horrible Qb in the second half of the season produced a 5 3 record.
0 @PIT L 31-28 16 35 123 45.7 3.51 16 3 0 0.0 83.4 2 5 2.5 6 0
11 @BALW 33-30 24 38 274 63.2 7.21 50 0 1 1.0 73.8 4 -4 -1.0 2 1
12 HOU W 27-17 24 35 253 68.6 7.23 25 2 1 1.0 96.5 0 0 0.0 0 0
13 @ARI L 27-21 21 41 304 51.2 7.42 67 2 2 1.0 71.6 2 10 5.0 10 0
14 @NYJ W 24-18 16 29 185 55.2 6.38 45 2 1 0.0 83.3 3 3 1.0 5 0
15 BUF W 8-0 9 24 137 37.5 5.71 25 0 0 1.0 57.1 1 0 0.0 0 0
16 @CINL 19-14 29 48 251 60.4 5.23 22 2 4 1.0 53.4 1 6 6.0 6 0
17 SF W 20-7 11 20 152 55.0 7.60 45 1 1 1.0 75.4 1 0 0.0 0
Ratings of 83.4, 73.8, 96.5, 71.6, 83.3, 57.1, 53.4 and 75.4. Not spectacular by any means but really not as bad as you probably remember. There were more games than the Cincy game in the second half of the year.
and even if you ONLY count the second half of 2007 and the SHITY 2008 season DA is still 8 wins and 9 losses. I mean the horrific game in Cincinnati was a 53.4 rating and BQs rating last game was 58.7.
Bq's QB rating going in to this game was 68 for his career and I don't think that this game will have helped. In 5 career starts BQ has 3 TDs, 4 interceptions and 2 fumbles. That is a TD for every TWO turnovers. And I have seen DA called a turnover machine with a turnover rate of 1.29 every game. Well BQ has an average of 1.2 and for this year he averages 2 turnovers a game.
I still say start BQ and leave him in there. But I just don't agree that DA was a bad as many seem to have stuck in their heads. Did DA play great in 2008? Of course not, but he did start the season with a concussion and no receivers against 3 of the better defenses in the league and in game 4 he beat the Bengals who did not have a bad defense either.
And as far as sacks go DA was sacked 4 times in ONE game (against Baltimore) last year and NONE in 2007 so why would you think he would ever get sacked 8 times in one game (as some have claimed would happen)?
I do not think that BQ has had any 4 interception games but then again I don't think BQ has had any 5 TD games either (since only 3 in 5 starts). DA had 2 multiple interception games in 2008 and 2 multiple TD games also and even though he had a horrible year he still threw more TDs than Interceptions. In 2007 DA had 4 multiple interception games and 10 multiple TD games. In 2006 he had 2 multiple TD games and 2 multiple Interception games. So in 31 total games DA has had 14 multiple TD games and 8 multiple Interception games. 23 games where he has thrown a TD and 21 games where he has thrown and Interception. So if DA throws a TD (74%) then he is 61% likely to throw 2 or more TDs and in games where DA throws a interception(68% of time) he is only 38% likely to have multiple interceptions.
BQ has throw a TD in 2 of his 5 starts (40%) and is likely to throw multiple TDs in half of those games (which equates to 20%) and he has thrown interceptions in 3 of his 5 starts (60%) and multiple interceptions in one of those games (also 20%).
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No, really, what's it like there?
From your posts, it seems very different from our world. Here in our world, the Browns drafted Brady Quinn because they needed a starting QB. We didn't have one worth mentioning, which is why Quinn was drafted in the first place.
In our world, we failed miserably last year partially because of poor QB play. Our QB last year had a penchant for throwing the ball to the other team and sometimes scoring points for them in the process. Is this how football is played where you come from? It's not how we play it here, so I was wondering.
It's interesting also how in your world, the TD-less streak is Quinn's fault, even though he didn't play in most of those games. Is that part of how things are counted in Bizarro world? Backwards and without meaning?
That would explain why you're so good at this counting you do!
In our world, we failed miserably last year partially because of poor QB play. Our QB last year had a penchant for throwing the ball to the other team and sometimes scoring points for them in the process. Is this how football is played where you come from? It's not how we play it here, so I was wondering.
Last year DA had 10 turnovers in 10 games. BQ has a career 2-1 turnover to TD ratio and is averaging 2 turnovers a game this year... is that an improvement over DA?
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