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  • @sdbacker80 said:

    Good Flacco we win…Poor Flacco we lose.  The line is strange to me…I expected the Browns by -6 or -7 

    Im a little worried about 3rd down Fields scrambling and/or buying time with his feet and finding big plays downfield.


    DJ Moore is the big name but Kmet can be a problem.  

    1) There's no such thing as a Flacco that isn't elite, if you asked me before he signed his Browns deal maybe I'd say something different though. 

    2) Yes, the pass rush needs to connect - Fields is no Lamar yet at least, he usually crumbles under pressure - though he's certainly capable of making those plays

    3) Thankfully Ward should finally be playing, but no Delpit - not like he's that great as a coverage safety anyway.

    They have near a top-10 defense, and one of the best at stuffing the run. It'll be a challenge for Flacco and the boys. Their offense hasn't really put it together consistently, but in the games where they do have it together they have some explosive pieces.

    Our offense has had a turnover problem, and that Bears D has a knack for creating turnovers - so please just protect the ball this week. 

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    @bbedward said:

    1) There's no such thing as a Flacco that isn't elite, if you asked me before he signed his Browns deal maybe I'd say something different though. 

    2) Yes, the pass rush needs to connect - Fields is no Lamar yet at least, he usually crumbles under pressure - though he's certainly capable of making those plays

    3) Thankfully Ward should finally be playing, but no Delpit - not like he's that great as a coverage safety anyway.

    They have near a top-10 defense, and one of the best at stuffing the run. It'll be a challenge for Flacco and the boys. Their offense hasn't really put it together consistently, but in the games where they do have it together they have some explosive pieces.

    Our offense has had a turnover problem, and that Bears D has a knack for creating turnovers - so please just protect the ball this week. 

    8-5 and we lead the league in turnovers with 27 (the bad kind).  Amazing.  
     

    I don’t think you will ever find a team with a record .500 or better that has lead the league in giveaways. 

  • @bbedward said:

    1) There's no such thing as a Flacco that isn't elite, if you asked me before he signed his Browns deal maybe I'd say something different though. 

    2) Yes, the pass rush needs to connect - Fields is no Lamar yet at least, he usually crumbles under pressure - though he's certainly capable of making those plays

    3) Thankfully Ward should finally be playing, but no Delpit - not like he's that great as a coverage safety anyway.

    They have near a top-10 defense, and one of the best at stuffing the run. It'll be a challenge for Flacco and the boys. Their offense hasn't really put it together consistently, but in the games where they do have it together they have some explosive pieces.

    Our offense has had a turnover problem, and that Bears D has a knack for creating turnovers - so please just protect the ball this week. 

    8-5 and we lead the league in turnovers with 27 (the bad kind).  Amazing.  
     

    I don’t think you will ever find a team with a record .500 or better that has lead the league in giveaways. 

    Dutch OvenD Dutch Oven wrote on last edited by
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    @sdbacker80 said:

    8-5 and we lead the league in turnovers with 27 (the bad kind).  Amazing.  
     

    I don’t think you will ever find a team with a record .500 or better that has lead the league in giveaways. 

    This team makes zero sense. 

    There's really no logical reason this team is 8-5. ?

  • @sdbacker80 said:

    8-5 and we lead the league in turnovers with 27 (the bad kind).  Amazing.  
     

    I don’t think you will ever find a team with a record .500 or better that has lead the league in giveaways. 

    This team makes zero sense. 

    There's really no logical reason this team is 8-5. ?

    bbedwardB bbedward wrote on last edited by
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    @dutch-oven said:

    This team makes zero sense. 

    There's really no logical reason this team is 8-5. ?

    Those 9ers and colts games really bounced in our favor, but it’s about time we got some luck - we really needed it with PJ Walker taking snaps

  • @dutch-oven said:

    This team makes zero sense. 

    There's really no logical reason this team is 8-5. ?

    Those 9ers and colts games really bounced in our favor, but it’s about time we got some luck - we really needed it with PJ Walker taking snaps

    Dutch OvenD Dutch Oven wrote on last edited by
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    @bbedward said:

    Those 9ers and colts games really bounced in our favor, but it’s about time we got some luck - we really needed it with PJ Walker taking snaps

    The amount of injuries to important parts of the team that have happened- and yet the team keeps chugging ahead - is almost baffling. 

    I won't lie though, I'm worried eventually all the player losses is going to finally catch up to the Browns.

    The banged up DLine, the safeties and our OTackles specifically worry me. 

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    This is one of my Must Win games because it's one of those games that you're supposed to win.  We're supposed to beat the 5-8 Bears.  But we're equals on offense, and they're quite good on D.  They only allow 84 rushing yards per game.  And I bet that part of that 19th ranked pass D is because ya can't run on them so ya HAVE to pass.  

    They're a very strong running team and we're getting decimated with injuries.  Pretty soon all we'll have left is the guys we had last year, who were getting gaffed by the run.

    This is a scary game...and we need the win badly.  I think it's going to come down to Flacco.  Can he pass us to victory?  

    mjp28M mjp28 wrote on last edited by mjp28
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    @orion said:

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    This is one of my Must Win games because it's one of those games that you're supposed to win.  We're supposed to beat the 5-8 Bears.  But we're equals on offense, and they're quite good on D.  They only allow 84 rushing yards per game.  And I bet that part of that 19th ranked pass D is because ya can't run on them so ya HAVE to pass.  

    They're a very strong running team and we're getting decimated with injuries.  Pretty soon all we'll have left is the guys we had last year, who were getting gaffed by the run.

    This is a scary game...and we need the win badly.  I think it's going to come down to Flacco.  Can he pass us to victory?  

    All year barring injuries  it's  CLE  pass D/G  1st  |  Sack ratio + |  and timely Give + |  that have carried the  BROWNS ....  look for the same on Sunday.

    And the steady arm of  Mr Flacco.   Just enough of  everything   to pull off the  W9.

    GO BROWNS !

  • sydS syd wrote on last edited by
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    Kosar beating the bears

  • sydS syd

    Kosar beating the bears

    OrionO Orion wrote on last edited by
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    @syd said:

    Kosar beating the bears

    Notice the protective pads they wore.   Now, more games and less protection.  And the beautiful helmets we used to have....before the Haslems got their meddling hands on them.

  • @syd said:

    Kosar beating the bears

    Notice the protective pads they wore.   Now, more games and less protection.  And the beautiful helmets we used to have....before the Haslems got their meddling hands on them.

    Dutch OvenD Dutch Oven wrote on last edited by
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    @orion said:

    Notice the protective pads they wore.   Now, more games and less protection.  And the beautiful helmets we used to have....before the Haslems got their meddling hands on them.

    They got rid of those stupid white facemasks, so I'll give them props for that. 

  • @syd said:

    Kosar beating the bears

    Notice the protective pads they wore.   Now, more games and less protection.  And the beautiful helmets we used to have....before the Haslems got their meddling hands on them.

    bbedwardB bbedward wrote on last edited by
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    @orion said:

    Notice the protective pads they wore.   Now, more games and less protection.  And the beautiful helmets we used to have....before the Haslems got their meddling hands on them.

    The smaller pads is a combo of things including player preference, but also the designs are much better and everything is precisely custom fit these days. They also say the smaller pads lead to less shoulder to shoulder collisions, makes hands more important.

    So all in all the modern equipment is better for safety, it’s better materials, better torso fit, better design, and leads to less direct shoulder hits.

  • Korsou DawgK Korsou Dawg wrote on last edited by
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    This helps:

    Brad Biggs@BradBiggs
    #Bears coach Matt Eberflus said DE Yannick Ngakoue has a broken ankle. It's a season-ending injury and he will be placed on injured reserve.
  • @orion said:

    Notice the protective pads they wore.   Now, more games and less protection.  And the beautiful helmets we used to have....before the Haslems got their meddling hands on them.

    The smaller pads is a combo of things including player preference, but also the designs are much better and everything is precisely custom fit these days. They also say the smaller pads lead to less shoulder to shoulder collisions, makes hands more important.

    So all in all the modern equipment is better for safety, it’s better materials, better torso fit, better design, and leads to less direct shoulder hits.

    OrionO Orion wrote on last edited by
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    @bbedward said:

    The smaller pads is a combo of things including player preference, but also the designs are much better and everything is precisely custom fit these days. They also say the smaller pads lead to less shoulder to shoulder collisions, makes hands more important.

    So all in all the modern equipment is better for safety, it’s better materials, better torso fit, better design, and leads to less direct shoulder hits.

    I say this with the utmost respect.  BullShit!   🙂

  • Fields is the key. Contain him, don't let DJ Moore slip open too many times. The Bears will make a few plays (hope not).

    The Browns need this one real bad. Once again, injuries are a huge obstacle. The home crowd has to get involved like last week, it was a blast down there. 

    FlugelF Flugel wrote on last edited by
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    @bob806 said:

    Fields is the key. Contain him, don't let DJ Moore slip open too many times. The Bears will make a few plays (hope not).

    The Browns need this one real bad. Once again, injuries are a huge obstacle. The home crowd has to get involved like last week, it was a blast down there. 

    Precisely Bob!   Without looking, I'm pretty sure Fields is their leading rusher.  He's pretty dangerous when he runs the ball.  That said, he's also very sloppy with ball security when he does so.  The last time I saw him play he fumbled the ball away on decent runs on successive possessions.

    If post season is the goal, there is no margin of error remaining on the wins and losses.  Every game left should be played like there's no tomorrow if the Browns lose.  

  • @syd said:

    Kosar beating the bears

    Notice the protective pads they wore.   Now, more games and less protection.  And the beautiful helmets we used to have....before the Haslems got their meddling hands on them.

    FlugelF Flugel wrote on last edited by
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    @orion said:

    Notice the protective pads they wore.   Now, more games and less protection.  And the beautiful helmets we used to have....before the Haslems got their meddling hands on them.

    And how often do we see the football pants even covering the knees any more?

  • OrionO Orion wrote on last edited by
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    Browns Injury Report

    • DT Jordan Elliott - Concussion - Questionable
    • LB Jordan Kunaszyk - Calf - Out
    • DE Ogbonnia Okoronkwo - Pectoral - Out
    • OL Ethan Pocic - Stinger - Out
    • S Juan Thornhill - Calf - Out
    • LB Anthony Walker - Rest, Knee - Questionable
    • CB Denzel Ward - Shoulder - Questionable

    Given all the players already on injured reserve, if Elliott, Walker and Ward can’t play as well, Cleveland’s snap counts will be high all around.

    Bears Injury Report

    • DB Jaquan Brisker - Groin - Questionable
    • WR DJ Moore - Ankle - Questionable
    • LB Noah Sewell - Knee - Out
    • WR Equanimeous St. Brown - Pectoral - Out

    Two very important players listed as questionable for Chicago in Brisker and Moore. Missing the game, Brown is a starter and Sewell is a depth piece for the team.

    ...Three out on D.  Denzel is probably on the frail side still.  And we're so beat up on D we NEED Jordan Elliott to play.  We've GOT to get RB's tackled. 

  • bbedwardB bbedward wrote on last edited by bbedward
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    Moore is playing I think their coach said as much in his press conference.

    Walker hurt his knee in practice, last time we heard that it was big thanos with a torn MCL. Hopefully not that

  • Dutch OvenD Dutch Oven wrote on last edited by
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    Saw something today that something like 24% of our Opening Week roster has suffered season-ending injuries.

    We still have four regular season games to go. 

  • sydS syd

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    DieHardBrownsFan1D DieHardBrownsFan1 wrote on last edited by
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    @syd said:

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  • Saw something today that something like 24% of our Opening Week roster has suffered season-ending injuries.

    We still have four regular season games to go. 

    OrionO Orion wrote on last edited by
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    @dutch-oven said:

    Saw something today that something like 24% of our Opening Week roster has suffered season-ending injuries.

    We still have four regular season games to go. 

    We currently have 11 guys on IR.  With Drew Forbes,  Reserve / Non- Football Illness.  And Michael Woods II,  Reserve / Non-Football Injury.  So, that's 13...which is 24.5% of the guys that can suit up.  Heck, we've got starters AND their backup on IR.  Let's face it, football is not made for guys with human bodies.  

    And so back to the pads for a moment......I'm certain there's been improvement to the equipment over the years.  But how much of the improvement is meant more to enhance the abilities of the player while sacrificing protection?  To make the player more elusive and harder to grab?  To give the player more and easier range of motion for catching and throwing?  -  Just sayin'...

  • Saw something today that something like 24% of our Opening Week roster has suffered season-ending injuries.

    We still have four regular season games to go. 

    FlugelF Flugel wrote on last edited by
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    @dutch-oven said:

    Saw something today that something like 24% of our Opening Week roster has suffered season-ending injuries.

    We still have four regular season games to go. 

    Here's who it's looking like will be/remain out for this week:

    RT Jack Conklin, RT Dawand Jones

    C Ethan Pocic

    LT Jedrick Wills

    QB Deshaun Watson

    RB Nick Chubb

    DT Maurice Hurst, DT Jordan Elliott

    DE Ogbo Okoronkwo

    LB Jordan Kunaszyk

    S Grant Delpit

    FS Juan Thornhill

    Meanwhile, Myles Garrett is playing with only 1 healthy shoulder; and there's no guarantee Denzel Ward is ready to play just yet. 

    That's a lot to overcome but this team is 8-5 with this unfolding all season.

    Like usual, let's see what happens... 

  • @dutch-oven said:

    Saw something today that something like 24% of our Opening Week roster has suffered season-ending injuries.

    We still have four regular season games to go. 

    Here's who it's looking like will be/remain out for this week:

    RT Jack Conklin, RT Dawand Jones

    C Ethan Pocic

    LT Jedrick Wills

    QB Deshaun Watson

    RB Nick Chubb

    DT Maurice Hurst, DT Jordan Elliott

    DE Ogbo Okoronkwo

    LB Jordan Kunaszyk

    S Grant Delpit

    FS Juan Thornhill

    Meanwhile, Myles Garrett is playing with only 1 healthy shoulder; and there's no guarantee Denzel Ward is ready to play just yet. 

    That's a lot to overcome but this team is 8-5 with this unfolding all season.

    Like usual, let's see what happens... 

    bbedwardB bbedward wrote on last edited by bbedward
    #36

    @flugel said:

    Here's who it's looking like will be/remain out for this week:

    RT Jack Conklin, RT Dawand Jones

    C Ethan Pocic

    LT Jedrick Wills

    QB Deshaun Watson

    RB Nick Chubb

    DT Maurice Hurst, DT Jordan Elliott

    DE Ogbo Okoronkwo

    LB Jordan Kunaszyk

    S Grant Delpit

    FS Juan Thornhill

    Meanwhile, Myles Garrett is playing with only 1 healthy shoulder; and there's no guarantee Denzel Ward is ready to play just yet. 

    That's a lot to overcome but this team is 8-5 with this unfolding all season.

    Like usual, let's see what happens... 

    Not sure in garrets shoulder, he’s banged up but I don’t think he’ll need any surgery or anything. Seems like he can move it fine maybe just has some pain or something. Ward practicing for the second week in a row I’d be very surprised if he’s out again 

    I’m actually pretty confident Thornhill and Duran Harman and the other guys can give us adequate safety play, just need Thornhill to get damn healthy. I feel like Harman can give us similar to what McLeod gave us, but we’ll have to see…

    And at least some of those guys aren’t season ending like Pocic and Elliot, slight bright side. I hope Walker is good news though and we didn’t have another guy tear a knee ligament in practice.