Take Tim Couch out and put in Derek Anderson
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I'm writing this after a good 5-hour sleep after the game, so I'm not in a typical postgame mood.
Let's face it. We have a mediocre-to-bad team on both sides of the ball AND both our QBs suck.
We're doomed again.
The Mark Sanchez trade down might haunt us for years although I do not think QB is the biggest problem we have.
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I just heard that Kanye West stepped-in and took over Daboll job last night.
that bastard.
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and one can't forget that DA has had some shit games a lot worse than Quinn has dished up so far.
So what do you want, a consistantly mediocre QB that loses 80 percent of his starts, or an occasionally brilliant but occasionally bad QB that's won half his starts with a team with little history of winning?
So what do you want, a consistantly mediocre QB that loses 80 percent of his starts, or an occasionally brilliant but occasionally bad QB that's won half his starts with a team with little history of winning?
More like occasionally brilliant, mostly bad. You apparently haven't watched his last 18-20 games, have you?
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There's a lot of Lumberghian-level stupidity going on in here tonight.
It's obvious that what this team needs right now is a big-armed, scatter-shot QB to right the ship. Because he's been so good at bringing order and stability to the team in the past.
Guys, this is Quinn's 2nd start of the year. There are plenty of offensive issues, especially at RT and RB, not to mention WR and TE.
But let's keep a little perspective: it was 10-6 in the 3rd quarter, 13-6 into the 4th quarter. Think about that for a sec, those of you blowing your brains all over the board.
10-6 in the 3rd, 13-6 in the 4th.
Despite Dumervil making St. Clair look like a practice player, despite 2 AWFUL turnovers, despite the inability to run the ball AT ALL:
10-6 in the 3rd, 13-6 in the 4th.
People: WE WERE STILL IN THIS GAME IN THE SECOND HALF.
Quinn didn't make the killer mistake. He didn't sink his team. He didn't throw the dumb pick out of frustration, he didn't throw the back-breaking pick 6, he didn't pick a fight with his WRs and kick a pylon.
Quinn didn't have a ton of positives but he did have a few really good completions and he had ZERO killer mistakes.
For those of you who actually REMEMBER last year and the end of 2007, that is a HUGE upgrade at the QB position.
Again, QB is NOT our biggest issue anymore no matter how people want to spin it.
I didn't get to watch the game, I was a t work. But, if I read Yahoo correctly BQ fumbled the ball which turned into a TD for the Broncos.
3rd-9, CLE13 9:14 B. Quinn rushed up the middle for no gain. B. Quinn fumbled. D. Reid recovered fumble
Denver - 9:14
1st-10, CLE10 9:14 K. Moreno rushed up the middle for 4 yard gain
2nd-5, CLE5 8:37 K. Moreno rushed to the right for 3 yard gain
3rd-2, CLE2 8:03 K. Orton passed to T. Scheffler to the left for 2 yard touchdown. M. Prater made PAT
Now since I did not get to watch the game you can answer for me if that fumble was BQ's fault or the winds? Maybe a fumble that turns into a TD is not a killer mistake. I don't know. But please do tell me who's fault the fumble was.
And 10 - 6 in the third quarter and 13 - 6 early in the fourth quarter. Sounds to me like the defense was playing pretty good hoping that the offense could produce.
First possession they start near the 25 yard line of Denver and get a FG and then on the third possession they DO move the ball 51 yards for another FG.
Only 1 possession of more than 8 plays *1 out of 12). 5 Possessions of 3 and out and no drives for over 51 yards.
This does sound much more like a offensive problem than a defensive one.
I don't think that putting in DA at this time is a good idea. I stick by what I said earlier, Leave him in until week 10 at least. You need to be sure before you give up on him. But I will say that for BQ's sake I really hope he gets rid of the ball faster next week.
I didn't get to watch the game, I was a t work. But, if I read Yahoo correctly BQ fumbled the ball which turned into a TD for the Broncos.
3rd-9, CLE13 9:14 B. Quinn rushed up the middle for no gain. B. Quinn fumbled. D. Reid recovered fumble
Denver - 9:14
1st-10, CLE10 9:14 K. Moreno rushed up the middle for 4 yard gain
2nd-5, CLE5 8:37 K. Moreno rushed to the right for 3 yard gain
3rd-2, CLE2 8:03 K. Orton passed to T. Scheffler to the left for 2 yard touchdown. M. Prater made PAT
Now since I did not get to watch the game you can answer for me if that fumble was BQ's fault or the winds? Maybe a fumble that turns into a TD is not a killer mistake. I don't know. But please do tell me who's fault the fumble was.
And 10 - 6 in the third quarter and 13 - 6 early in the fourth quarter. Sounds to me like the defense was playing pretty good hoping that the offense could produce.
First possession they start near the 25 yard line of Denver and get a FG and then on the third possession they DO move the ball 51 yards for another FG.
Only 1 possession of more than 8 plays *1 out of 12). 5 Possessions of 3 and out and no drives for over 51 yards.
This does sound much more like a offensive problem than a defensive one.
I don't think that putting in DA at this time is a good idea. I stick by what I said earlier, Leave him in until week 10 at least. You need to be sure before you give up on him. But I will say that for BQ's sake I really hope he gets rid of the ball faster next week.
It wasn't BQ's fumble, it was a very bad snap by Mack with Quinn in the shotgun, basically rolled the snap on the ground.
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Z- we saw what pressure on the QB did to the other Brady yesterday. Nobody questions his release or arm.
Conversely, with writers desperate for a sexy storyline rather than discussing what actually happened during the game, Sanchez is a God ready for the probowl. Outside of the TD pass, his stats weren't too different than Queens.
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I just couldn't believe how inaccurate some of BQ's passes were, even in garbage time. He was so off. Hitting the back of the defender one time! He might need to to quit being a gym rat. Those inflated biceps could be screwing up a lot..seriously. BQ also looks like he's playin' scared out there. Doesn't look at all like he's looked in the past. Something's up.
We all know DA stinks as a captain. No leadership. I'm so friggin' depressed, like most here I'm sure.
The D seems to look really good on 1st and 2nd down, then they keep getting burned on third downs though. As said, earlier, tired from all the 3n outs of the offense.
Get Cribbs outta there, and play the rookies, or just play him as a third receiver/WildDawg thing. He's getting spread thin and we'll just either get hurt, or he's too tired to do anything well.
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There's a lot of Lumberghian-level stupidity going on in here tonight.
It's obvious that what this team needs right now is a big-armed, scatter-shot QB to right the ship. Because he's been so good at bringing order and stability to the team in the past.
Guys, this is Quinn's 2nd start of the year. There are plenty of offensive issues, especially at RT and RB, not to mention WR and TE.
But let's keep a little perspective: it was 10-6 in the 3rd quarter, 13-6 into the 4th quarter. Think about that for a sec, those of you blowing your brains all over the board.
10-6 in the 3rd, 13-6 in the 4th.
Despite Dumervil making St. Clair look like a practice player, despite 2 AWFUL turnovers, despite the inability to run the ball AT ALL:
10-6 in the 3rd, 13-6 in the 4th.
People: WE WERE STILL IN THIS GAME IN THE SECOND HALF.
Quinn didn't make the killer mistake. He didn't sink his team. He didn't throw the dumb pick out of frustration, he didn't throw the back-breaking pick 6, he didn't pick a fight with his WRs and kick a pylon.
Quinn didn't have a ton of positives but he did have a few really good completions and he had ZERO killer mistakes.
For those of you who actually REMEMBER last year and the end of 2007, that is a HUGE upgrade at the QB position.
Again, QB is NOT our biggest issue anymore no matter how people want to spin it.
I didn't get to watch the game, I was a t work. But, if I read Yahoo correctly BQ fumbled the ball which turned into a TD for the Broncos.
3rd-9, CLE13 9:14 B. Quinn rushed up the middle for no gain. B. Quinn fumbled. D. Reid recovered fumble
Denver - 9:14
1st-10, CLE10 9:14 K. Moreno rushed up the middle for 4 yard gain
2nd-5, CLE5 8:37 K. Moreno rushed to the right for 3 yard gain
3rd-2, CLE2 8:03 K. Orton passed to T. Scheffler to the left for 2 yard touchdown. M. Prater made PAT
Now since I did not get to watch the game you can answer for me if that fumble was BQ's fault or the winds? Maybe a fumble that turns into a TD is not a killer mistake. I don't know. But please do tell me who's fault the fumble was.
And 10 - 6 in the third quarter and 13 - 6 early in the fourth quarter. Sounds to me like the defense was playing pretty good hoping that the offense could produce.
First possession they start near the 25 yard line of Denver and get a FG and then on the third possession they DO move the ball 51 yards for another FG.
Only 1 possession of more than 8 plays *1 out of 12). 5 Possessions of 3 and out and no drives for over 51 yards.
This does sound much more like a offensive problem than a defensive one.
I don't think that putting in DA at this time is a good idea. I stick by what I said earlier, Leave him in until week 10 at least. You need to be sure before you give up on him. But I will say that for BQ's sake I really hope he gets rid of the ball faster next week.
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So what do you want, a consistantly mediocre QB that loses 80 percent of his starts, or an occasionally brilliant but occasionally bad QB that's won half his starts with a team with little history of winning?
More like occasionally brilliant, mostly bad. You apparently haven't watched his last 18-20 games, have you?
More like occasionally brilliant, mostly bad. You apparently haven't watched his last 18-20 games, have you?
yes, he atleast scored touchdowns.
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@jadbf said:
For all those that want to say BQ hasn't been the problem in the last two games. All I'll say is, He sure didn't look like the answer to me either.I for one am holding him to the same standard that I have DA. And so far he can't even see that standard from the hole he has dug for himself.
And before all you DA backers start giving me thanks.
I STILL THINK HE SUCKS AND IS NOT THE ANSWER EITHER. I don't believe he would do any better. Would Denver have played a difference defense? Sure, But guess what, they would have played the one that shuts DA down. DA in my opinion has not been able to overcome the part of his game that lets defenses scheme to stop him.
I don't agree with Zombo that Quinn only gets 3 games. I still give him to the bye week because I don't believe putting Anderson in now does anything for us for the future. But Quinn better make HUGE turnaround by the by week, or I'll be calling for them to put Dawson in at QB. He's about the only guy on this team I still respect.
Defending against DA means putting more coverage on the secondary. which means u cant load the box and that gives some hope for the RB to find a few holes. It is not like BQ totally sucks or something. BQ for some reason is not trusted with the long throws else we will be seeing a bit more of those. and when the tight defense allows little holes in the LOS , it is hard for any RB not named AP to gain good yardage.
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Two words... Colt McCoy
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Zombo said:
Yep, and like I said last week: he gets one more chance.
Three strikes and you're out.
Quinn goes o-fer-September and Anderson will take over in October.
Quinn has played very poorly both weeks. I am not impressed at all.
Can't help but wonder about that dude on the bench with big arm and quick release ... would have come in handy yesterday. Dinking and dunking seems good for 6 points of offense each week before the game slips away.
Brady Quinn has started five games, he has looked horrible in three of them, one ugly win, one decent performance in a loss to a horrible defense.
This isn't looking good. I think Mangini gives him one more game.
Zombo
As much as i'd like to agree with you, i won't
We've already screwed the pooch in terms of trade value on all of our qb's.
I don't think our back ups will make a difference.
Quinn is not looking any worse than gm1.
Mangini is working overtime to overcome years of failure.
And as your last statement says
--It's only Baltimore.
Quinn might get killed by B-more and you'll get DA
by default.
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@jadbf said:
And yet still in all those 10-6 DA losses through out his career, I don't remember saying "WOW at least we had a running game".and really defending DA doesn't mean putting more coverage in the secondary, It just means making sure the secondary takes away certain routes while allowing DA to attempt to complete the ones he struggles with.
hey we did have touchdowns. At this point let us worry about getting the touchdows and the pieces we need for it. then we worry about winning.
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Its good to see my freinds to the north have been spewing old Tim Couch's name around... love it.
Look ... the golden boy sux. Take away all this crapola about play-calling, check-downs, and right-tackles(who also suck)--- Any QB - at any level - should know that you have to stretch the defense...you atleast have to threaten with something.... more good things happen on a deep-out than bad things...the NFL has it set up this way. I dont think pretty boy can throw it 40 yards. Honestly.
Add this clown to the list of busts... Timmy Couch spawned the "dink and dunk"...Brady Quinn has mastered it.
Week # 2 and we are way near 1999 than 2009.
Bermeck (who's the next coach, next gm, next RD1 bust...puke, puke, puke)
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its a xxxxing rebuilding year, you guys shouldn't have ever expected a good record this season.
let BQ finish the season, if he doesn't show improvement you draft someone else.
its a xxxxing rebuilding year, you guys shouldn't have ever expected a good record this season.
let BQ finish the season, if he doesn't show improvement you draft someone else.
I whole-heartedly disagree. There are 11 million reasons to end the Brady Quinn experiment short of 8 games if we still see defenses getting away with cover zero. Pay guys that can play. And by this I do not mean DQ.
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Zombo said:
The Jets are playing great defense.But Sanchez is outshining Quinn no matter how you want to look at it.
Yeah, the Broncos were getting to Quinn. It seems we brought in 15 Right tackles in the off-season ... and this is the guy that was the best option?
But regardless of the pressure and any other excuse we will hear this week ... Quinn is not looking like a playmaker. We need one. I know one. He wears #3.
Zombo
Yeah I wasn't inferring that BQ has been better than Sanchez, or that Sanchez hasn't beem good. Sanchez had an awesome play yesterday - the go ahead TD - BQ has not. That's it. He hasn't played awful enough to make me want to give DA another look. I don't see any impact he could have had on this game in the positive direction all things equal.
Here's why (and a positive about Quinns game): BE had 90+ yds. Receiving, not rushing. And a pair of catches at greater than 20+ yds. This game was good for building chemistry & confidence b/t BE & BQ. I think the only negative in that aspect of the game is that it's clear that BQ didn't go to Edwards when he was double covered. DA probably would have & yielding good (but probably bad if past experience is any teller) results. If BE is an elite receiver, he should be able to get enough separation when dbl covered to give Quinn a window to throw. Quinn will make those throws as their confidence & chemistry builds (see Samardzija, Jeff). We got to fix our line though. Good grief.
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Zombo said:
Dinking and dunking seems good for 6 points of offense each week before the game slips away.
Zombo
--It's only Baltimore.
Make it 3 points. We recovered the opening kickoff fumble in FG range.
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@jadbf said:
And yet still in all those 10-6 DA losses through out his career, I don't remember saying "WOW at least we had a running game".and really defending DA doesn't mean putting more coverage in the secondary, It just means making sure the secondary takes away certain routes while allowing DA to attempt to complete the ones he struggles with.
Actually, it was the one year we DID have a running game. During the 10-5 DA run, Jamal Lewis and Jason Wright netted over 1500 yards rushing and added another 500 receiving out of the back field. We were ranked 10th in the league in rushing and 6th in yards per attempt. Add in Harrison's 6.9 yrds per touch and we were well balanced.
Our sack totals were way down. After Frye was sacked 5 times to 10 pass attempts in the Opener, DA was only put to the ground 14 times in over 527 pass attempts.
EVERYTHING came together. No one is discounting it all going down hill from there. Hell, I'm not even fully endorsing Derek Anderson here, what I am saying is that the QB position can change EVERYTHING.
Anderson is young, just like Quinn. When Quinn don't have it and keeps dumping off short of the sticks on third down, obviously afraid to throw down-field ... put in Anderson, it can't hurt.
Platoon them both as we limp through this season. Look for a spark, don't just sit there and be bland series after series.
Brady Quinn is a freaking bore.
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@jadbf said:
And yet still in all those 10-6 DA losses through out his career, I don't remember saying "WOW at least we had a running game".and really defending DA doesn't mean putting more coverage in the secondary, It just means making sure the secondary takes away certain routes while allowing DA to attempt to complete the ones he struggles with.
Actually, it was the one year we DID have a running game. During the 10-5 DA run, Jamal Lewis and Jason Wright netted over 1500 yards rushing and added another 500 receiving out of the back field. We were ranked 10th in the league in rushing and 6th in yards per attempt. Add in Harrison's 6.9 yrds per touch and we were well balanced.
Our sack totals were way down. After Frye was sacked 5 times to 10 pass attempts in the Opener, DA was only put to the ground 14 times in over 527 pass attempts.
EVERYTHING came together. No one is discounting it all going down hill from there. Hell, I'm not even fully endorsing Derek Anderson here, what I am saying is that the QB position can change EVERYTHING.
Anderson is young, just like Quinn. When Quinn don't have it and keeps dumping off short of the sticks on third down, obviously afraid to throw down-field ... put in Anderson, it can't hurt.
Platoon them both as we limp through this season. Look for a spark, don't just sit there and be bland series after series.
Brady Quinn is a freaking bore.
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