Take Tim Couch out and put in Derek Anderson
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@jadbf said:
And yet still in all those 10-6 DA losses through out his career, I don't remember saying "WOW at least we had a running game".and really defending DA doesn't mean putting more coverage in the secondary, It just means making sure the secondary takes away certain routes while allowing DA to attempt to complete the ones he struggles with.
Actually, it was the one year we DID have a running game. During the 10-5 DA run, Jamal Lewis and Jason Wright netted over 1500 yards rushing and added another 500 receiving out of the back field. We were ranked 10th in the league in rushing and 6th in yards per attempt. Add in Harrison's 6.9 yrds per touch and we were well balanced.
Our sack totals were way down. After Frye was sacked 5 times to 10 pass attempts in the Opener, DA was only put to the ground 14 times in over 527 pass attempts.
EVERYTHING came together. No one is discounting it all going down hill from there. Hell, I'm not even fully endorsing Derek Anderson here, what I am saying is that the QB position can change EVERYTHING.
Anderson is young, just like Quinn. When Quinn don't have it and keeps dumping off short of the sticks on third down, obviously afraid to throw down-field ... put in Anderson, it can't hurt.
Platoon them both as we limp through this season. Look for a spark, don't just sit there and be bland series after series.
Brady Quinn is a freaking bore.
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@jadbf said:
And yet still in all those 10-6 DA losses through out his career, I don't remember saying "WOW at least we had a running game".and really defending DA doesn't mean putting more coverage in the secondary, It just means making sure the secondary takes away certain routes while allowing DA to attempt to complete the ones he struggles with.
Actually, it was the one year we DID have a running game. During the 10-5 DA run, Jamal Lewis and Jason Wright netted over 1500 yards rushing and added another 500 receiving out of the back field. We were ranked 10th in the league in rushing and 6th in yards per attempt. Add in Harrison's 6.9 yrds per touch and we were well balanced.
Our sack totals were way down. After Frye was sacked 5 times to 10 pass attempts in the Opener, DA was only put to the ground 14 times in over 527 pass attempts.
EVERYTHING came together. No one is discounting it all going down hill from there. Hell, I'm not even fully endorsing Derek Anderson here, what I am saying is that the QB position can change EVERYTHING.
Anderson is young, just like Quinn. When Quinn don't have it and keeps dumping off short of the sticks on third down, obviously afraid to throw down-field ... put in Anderson, it can't hurt.
Platoon them both as we limp through this season. Look for a spark, don't just sit there and be bland series after series.
Brady Quinn is a freaking bore.
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Again, don't want to start shit. The defense ain't going to stop the Bronco's now anyhow, but Brady Quinn hasn't been able to do shit except throw the ball 3-4 yards shy of the sticks on 3rd and long.
We are getting buried in the division, there is plenty of time to play Brady, Anderson, Ratliff, Tim Couch, Spergun Wynn, or any other.
Just go to a fresher guy, for the sake of finishing off this bullshit Bellichick style.
Wait, I may be on to something ... punt on 3rd down so I don't have to sit through another dink-n-dunk under the sticks.
I really think we need to move forward, even if that means this season is much like last season. Neither one of these young QB's is going to become the QB they should be if we start the musical chairs routine.
Our line is not getting it done, and neither is our run game. We have one deep threat in BE and he is not as reliable as he needs to be.
It's duct (duck) tape versus rebuild. Which one has Mangini chosen?
Frankly I don't dislike either QB, I think they are fine "Young" men. More importantly I think they would both have better careers somewhere else.
Again, don't want to start shit. The defense ain't going to stop the Bronco's now anyhow, but Brady Quinn hasn't been able to do shit except throw the ball 3-4 yards shy of the sticks on 3rd and long.
We are getting buried in the division, there is plenty of time to play Brady, Anderson, Ratliff, Tim Couch, Spergun Wynn, or any other.
Just go to a fresher guy, for the sake of finishing off this bullshit Bellichick style.
Wait, I may be on to something ... punt on 3rd down so I don't have to sit through another dink-n-dunk under the sticks.
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Zombo's now calling DA a "playmaker"?
That's like calling a lottery winner an "investor".
DA lost his position to Quinn. What that should tell any intelligent football fan is that he's finished here as the starter barring one pretty unlikely scenario: Quinn gets benched (not that unlikely) and DA comes in and finally "gets it" and stops missing short passes and making poor decisions (in my opinion, highly unlikely).
Quinn's going to get a significant look, so take your "one more bad game" meter down Z. It ain't happening.
DA isn't the answer. Quinn may not be either.
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Zombo's now calling DA a "playmaker"?
That's like calling a lottery winner an "investor".
DA lost his position to Quinn. What that should tell any intelligent football fan is that he's finished here as the starter barring one pretty unlikely scenario: Quinn gets benched (not that unlikely) and DA comes in and finally "gets it" and stops missing short passes and making poor decisions (in my opinion, highly unlikely).
Quinn's going to get a significant look, so take your "one more bad game" meter down Z. It ain't happening.
DA isn't the answer. Quinn may not be either.
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Don't you guys remember that Mangini told Lerner..." He can win with Quinn"....you know the reason he got hired....Romeo didn't play him for a reason...Savage Gave DA all that $ for a reason....2 more weeks of this crap tops!
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Zombo's now calling DA a "playmaker"?
That's like calling a lottery winner an "investor".
DA lost his position to Quinn. What that should tell any intelligent football fan is that he's finished here as the starter barring one pretty unlikely scenario: Quinn gets benched (not that unlikely) and DA comes in and finally "gets it" and stops missing short passes and making poor decisions (in my opinion, highly unlikely).
Quinn's going to get a significant look, so take your "one more bad game" meter down Z. It ain't happening.
DA isn't the answer. Quinn may not be either.
DA lost his position to Quinn. What that should tell any intelligent football fan is that he's finished here as the starter barring one pretty unlikely scenario: Quinn gets benched (not that unlikely) and DA comes in and finally "gets it" and stops missing short passes and making poor decisions (in my opinion, highly unlikely).
Quinn's going to get a significant look, so take your "one more bad game" meter down Z. It ain't happening.
DA isn't the answer. Quinn may not be either.
I dont think DA's days here are finished unless Quinn can get some touchdowns. While im on board the offense is bad boat too, I have come to terms with the fact that we are in need of miracles and insane plays to make touchdowns and not a systematic progressive ball advancing methodology which we are not achieving. DA had something going on with BE that led to touchdowns. and right now only BE and DA remain of our 2007 productive passing offense. Im giving Quinn till the by week before i too shout off with Quinn if there is no improvement, but from what im seeing we are going backwards.
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Depends on your definition of playmaker. Can DA "make plays"? Of course. He's made some unreal throws.
The definition of a playmaker involves consistency. That was my point in the lottery/investing analogy (maybe not the best). I don't get this notion of "I'd rather have a guy throw 3 picks and 3 td's than neither". I want a guy we can win some playoff games with.
I disagree with you and the one more poor game leash for Quinn. Mangini is more likely to give a fair amount of leash to Quinn to (glass half empty coming) hang himself. He's got to know and by naming Quinn the starter he's stated that he felt Quinn's ceiling was higher coming out of camp. (Implicit)
Sure, if Quinn flames out by mid season then maybe he goes back to DA. What's most likely to occur then? DA throws some amazing passes, demonstrates below average pocket mobility, misses wide open short passes, and makes some really horrendous INT's. (That's far more likely than those systemic problems suddenly disappearing.)
Net effect: we're looking for a QB if Quinn torpedos.
Stan, not sure where my investment in the outcome lies? Can you elaborate? I'm not following.
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Anyone noticed that now there are 3 different QB camps on the board. The pro DA guys are still pro DA. Most pro BQ guys are still pro BQ. But some have now formed the "We need a new QB camp". this could get interesting.
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Ate and Z, you guys are truly fascinating.
It took 2 games of the team looking bad to decide Quinn isn't the answer and that DA is, or at least, if he's not, he's a better "playmaker" who isn't a "bore" to watch.
Well, maybe you guys don't like "boring" things like building an offense, creating team chemistry, allowing player's to figure out their roles, etc. but that's what's happening right now.
And it would still have to happen with DA. In fact, you'd be two weeks behind the curve AGAIN.
This agitating for a change, ANY change, at QB at this point of the season is reckless and ultimately pointless. Now I understand why you guys love Lum so much; all you want is to see DA get in and sling it around and see what happens.
Strangely, you already know how that movie ends, so I'm baffled by the rush to see it again...
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Zombo said:
--Skippy, are we shutting down the site this week in honor of the second week anniversary of Quinn's heroic 4th quarter TD pass against the Vikes that pulled us within two touchdowns of tying up the game with 20 seconds still left to play?Actually, I thought this week we would all spend quiet time alone embracing that moment. I just bought a Brady Quinn action figure that has two blind sides, I thought i'd spent that moment with it.
It looks left, and then it looks left ... so cute.
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<<<The problem is he will miss easy throws that will kill a drive, or he'll play an entire game like he is in a fog and never gets his rhythm.>>>
That Cincy game 2 years ago was one of those games....5 picks, 2 for pick 6...and a playoff year ruined. Thats pretty big screw-up, if you ask me.
Anderson is not the guy... Quinn is looking horrible. I say go third string...what I dont want is another glimmer of hope from freak-o-foot in another losing season----where we are clearly not going to accomplish anything, except continued embarrassment as a franchise.
I was ticked all summer with this QB crap...and look what we got...crap. Maybe studdly Quinn would have been better off getting this team in JUNE instead of 3 seconds before kick-off week # 1. Another horrible decision from this team... I am beginning to think Mangini knew how shitty this team was and put the "Cleveland QB Bananza" on as a clear mis-direction from the awful truth---we suck.
They should re-name this team...the Cleveland QB Competitions or something...better yet, a reality show ... 'QB in C-town...if you dare !!!!'...2 to 3 to 4 starting QB's for 10 seasons...GIMMIE A FREAKIN BREAK !!!, thats like 30 to 40 QB's since our return....how freakin sad---even Sissynatti found "China Doll"-Palmer...atleast he can play the position.
No Anderson, No Quinn ...I'm more for forfeiting the rest of the season and drafting another QB... No winners in Cleveland...send golden boy packing...hes going to end up doing his college's TV broadcast like his mentor... Tim Couch.
Bermeck (its a Tim Couch kinda thread...isnt it ???)
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Aw, Stan and Z are in the midst of a mancrush.
Talk about cute.
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<<<The problem is he will miss easy throws that will kill a drive, or he'll play an entire game like he is in a fog and never gets his rhythm.>>>
That Cincy game 2 years ago was one of those games....5 picks, 2 for pick 6...and a playoff year ruined. Thats pretty big screw-up, if you ask me.
Anderson is not the guy... Quinn is looking horrible. I say go third string...what I dont want is another glimmer of hope from freak-o-foot in another losing season----where we are clearly not going to accomplish anything, except continued embarrassment as a franchise.
I was ticked all summer with this QB crap...and look what we got...crap. Maybe studdly Quinn would have been better off getting this team in JUNE instead of 3 seconds before kick-off week # 1. Another horrible decision from this team... I am beginning to think Mangini knew how shitty this team was and put the "Cleveland QB Bananza" on as a clear mis-direction from the awful truth---we suck.
They should re-name this team...the Cleveland QB Competitions or something...better yet, a reality show ... 'QB in C-town...if you dare !!!!'...2 to 3 to 4 starting QB's for 10 seasons...GIMMIE A FREAKIN BREAK !!!, thats like 30 to 40 QB's since our return....how freakin sad---even Sissynatti found "China Doll"-Palmer...atleast he can play the position.
No Anderson, No Quinn ...I'm more for forfeiting the rest of the season and drafting another QB... No winners in Cleveland...send golden boy packing...hes going to end up doing his college's TV broadcast like his mentor... Tim Couch.
Bermeck (its a Tim Couch kinda thread...isnt it ???)
That Cincy game 2 years ago was one of those games....5 picks, 2 for pick 6...
actually 4 picks. And none were returned for 6.
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That Cincy game 2 years ago was one of those games....5 picks, 2 for pick 6...
actually 4 picks. And none were returned for 6.
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Anyone noticed that now there are 3 different QB camps on the board. The pro DA guys are still pro DA. Most pro BQ guys are still pro BQ. But some have now formed the "We need a new QB camp". this could get interesting.
Anyone noticed that now there are 3 different QB camps on the board. The pro DA guys are still pro DA. Most pro BQ guys are still pro BQ. But some have now formed the "We need a new QB camp". this could get interesting.
One other, QB gurus who suddenly have nothing to say.
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Zombo said:
I see a lot of people have written off the season already, I'm not one of them. Quinn needs to get us untracked this week or we need to go to Anderson to get things rolling. If he does no better and we are 0-8 anyway, then, sure play Quinn the last 8 games, I don't care, at that point you are just evaluating for 2010.
Zombo
I get that.... you know this whole thing really falls on the Coach/GM/Office(whatever)... whats the point of all these summer camps, practices, you know...the offseason ???? Thats your "evaluation" time... clearly Quinn blows --- how or why he blows is open for discussion. I am frustated beyond beleif with these clowns. How many times can fans be emotionally crushed ?????
My Dad always said "...chicken sh** tasts like chicken sh**, no matter how much mayo you add to it" ... DA wont make a difference...it will make for some talking points and some discussion...but at the end of the day...he is just D. Anderson...and always will be.
Bermeck (lovin the 1999 vibe...cant wait until we get past our "break-in" coach/GM...so we can hire a winner....pffft)
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ok ok .... it led to 14 points...in basically a playoff game..... he sucks.... ok?
auctually, it was 17 points off-turnovers.... i guess...im sure all these QB experts on this board will tell me.
Bermeck (if selling giant shoes, Subway sandwiches, and sports drinks was the goal...our franchise is # 1 !!!! yipeeeee !!!)
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Ate and Z, you guys are truly fascinating.
It took 2 games of the team looking bad to decide Quinn isn't the answer and that DA is, or at least, if he's not, he's a better "playmaker" who isn't a "bore" to watch.
Well, maybe you guys don't like "boring" things like building an offense, creating team chemistry, allowing player's to figure out their roles, etc. but that's what's happening right now.
And it would still have to happen with DA. In fact, you'd be two weeks behind the curve AGAIN.
This agitating for a change, ANY change, at QB at this point of the season is reckless and ultimately pointless. Now I understand why you guys love Lum so much; all you want is to see DA get in and sling it around and see what happens.
Strangely, you already know how that movie ends, so I'm baffled by the rush to see it again...
Ate and Z, you guys are truly fascinating.
It took 2 games of the team looking bad to decide Quinn isn't the answer and that DA is, or at least, if he's not, he's a better "playmaker" who isn't a "bore" to watch.
Well, maybe you guys don't like "boring" things like building an offense, creating team chemistry, allowing player's to figure out their roles, etc. but that's what's happening right now.
And it would still have to happen with DA. In fact, you'd be two weeks behind the curve AGAIN.
This agitating for a change, ANY change, at QB at this point of the season is reckless and ultimately pointless. Now I understand why you guys love Lum so much; all you want is to see DA get in and sling it around and see what happens.
Strangely, you already know how that movie ends, so I'm baffled by the rush to see it again...
its not 2 games but 5 and 4 in a row with the same results and defenses.... The tape of playing tight is out now and Quinn's noodle arm has been exposed making us a one dimensional team.
I am not ready to concede this season because some fan base bought into the first round hype created by ND's media department and Charlie I can develop "nfl ready pro style" qbs from college.... How is that working out for Notre Dame? Anyone.... Anyone Bueller.... bueller....
All of these assumptions about Quinn ARE BASED ON COLLEGE HISTORY AND CHARLIE WEIS..... think about it.
This season is not over and our defense looks improved, jamal still has some gas and our oline is not as bad as you quinn excuse makers are trying to imply it is.
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