Relax... Sheesh
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Does Detroit want to bench Stafford?
Are Heads getting ready to roll in Detroit?
Cle. and Det. are not that far apart in terms of restructuring the team.
Those who want to see a Miami stlye turnaround will be dissapointed.
I think Quinn is playing like a rookie on a bad team, you have to let Quinn play to see if he's got what it takes to turn it around.
For those clamouring to see DA again, why? Do you honestly think it would be any different? I do think you'll see DA start this year though. Quinn won't survive all the beatings projected from our o-line. In fact you may see Ratliff after DA has the snot knocked out of him too.
For those clamouring to see DA again, why? Do you honestly think it would be any different?
It is an absolute certainty.
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For those clamouring to see DA again, why? Do you honestly think it would be any different?
It is an absolute certainty.
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It has to do w/ money. CLE isn't going to pay DA that amount next year (or take that cap hit), just as they are not going to pay BQ his amount either w/ his current play (notice Jason said BQ could be gone too).so who's gonna play QB in your fantasy world? Josh Cribbs? TIM FRIGGEN TEBOW?
apparently this team has the worst right side of the OL of all time
it also has the worst OC of all time
worst running game of all time
the least overall talent of all time
..............so what's BQ Nation gonna say when Anderson comes in and throws a couple TDs?
we've been thru this before (CHARLIE FRYE) and we know how it's gonna end for the Quinnster.
..............so what's BQ Nation gonna say when Anderson comes in and throws a couple TDs?
He didn't throw any in preseason with his starting gig on the line. I suspect he'd have 4-5 more than Quinn this season, but the problem is he cannot follow up a good game with another one.
DA is what he is - a decent 8 games starter. He is not someone to build the team around. You're the ONLY person that thinks he is.
He could not average 140 YPG last season in 6 games. Why is that????
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or maybe they go 8-8 rather than 2-14
Even if that were possible (let's just call it "highly unlikely") to what end? So you can release him in January? Derek Anderson is a boon to a bad team and a liability to a good one. It's like trying to put your basketball team over the top by adding Jason Kapono. You look like a genius some nights. But, over the long haul, it doesn't actually improve your team.
-jj
Even if that were possible (let's just call it "highly unlikely") to what end? So you can release him in January? Derek Anderson is a boon to a bad team and a liability to a good one. It's like trying to put your basketball team over the top by adding Jason Kapono. You look like a genius some nights. But, over the long haul, it doesn't actually improve your team.
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Jason, What's your evaluation of Quinn? If we pick in top 5 in the draft...We must take a Qb. Not just my opinion but a provable and historical fact...if you are picking in the top 5 your QB sucks!
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Wow, Jason, will you hang around more please? I'd like to follow the dysfunction that is our team with more fans like you who actually understand what we're watching here.
Guys, this is concrete being laid right here. It's hot, ugly and dirty and ain't fun to watch.
Unless you happen to like the idea that something is going to built on TOP of the concrete, that is. Unless you can take a step back and visualize what will be there somedday and have some trust in the architects (Mangini and Kokinis) and the workers (the current players). You don't have to like the landowner (Lerner) or even the people who will live in the house (the future players) eventually.
So stop screaming at the concrete pourers for not being painters, plumbers or roofers and have a little faith that something IS being built here.
Jason is ABSOLUTELY RIGHT that we've been sold a bill of goods by each "management" team since '99. None of them was in this for the long haul and it showed.
Mangini and Kokinis obviously have been empowered to do the very job we're watching here. I'm sorry, but you don't move to Cleveland with young kids without some assurance they'll get a few years to grow up in one place, even if you're an NFL coach. I don't believe that any coach looks to take a job just to get fired.
I happen to like watching construction. I like the process, I like the different experiences, I like being part of seeing something get built.
So just enjoy the show and stop complaining about what it ISN'T going to be this year.
And as JJ said: what else did you expect anyway?
Wow, Jason, will you hang around more please? I'd like to follow the dysfunction that is our team with more fans like you who actually understand what we're watching here.
Guys, this is concrete being laid right here. It's hot, ugly and dirty and ain't fun to watch.
Unless you happen to like the idea that something is going to built on TOP of the concrete, that is. Unless you can take a step back and visualize what will be there somedday and have some trust in the architects (Mangini and Kokinis) and the workers (the current players). You don't have to like the landowner (Lerner) or even the people who will live in the house (the future players) eventually.
So stop screaming at the concrete pourers for not being painters, plumbers or roofers and have a little faith that something IS being built here.
Jason is ABSOLUTELY RIGHT that we've been sold a bill of goods by each "management" team since '99. None of them was in this for the long haul and it showed.
Mangini and Kokinis obviously have been empowered to do the very job we're watching here. I'm sorry, but you don't move to Cleveland with young kids without some assurance they'll get a few years to grow up in one place, even if you're an NFL coach. I don't believe that any coach looks to take a job just to get fired.
I happen to like watching construction. I like the process, I like the different experiences, I like being part of seeing something get built.
So just enjoy the show and stop complaining about what it ISN'T going to be this year.
And as JJ said: what else did you expect anyway?
I'd love to buy into this notion that again we are rebuilding, that this is a "new" foundation....but these guys are pro's. Miami? Atlanta? Jets? I don't buy it!
Our new foundation? Three second rounders...ON THE BENCH...(wow...great Draft so far) these guys better play some this year and make an impact. Kokinis on notice. BAD DRAFTING IS EXACTLY WHY WE ARE IN THIS POSITION....And with three second rounders riding pine....??? Seems like more of the same...let's see these guys on the field and not RAC em' then learn a year from now they aren't the answer...Veikune? Mass, Robiskie...if they are the future BRING em' on! if we really are a 6-10 team...get them PT and find out what they are Now, instead of after next year's season!
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Even if that were possible (let's just call it "highly unlikely") to what end? So you can release him in January? Derek Anderson is a boon to a bad team and a liability to a good one. It's like trying to put your basketball team over the top by adding Jason Kapono. You look like a genius some nights. But, over the long haul, it doesn't actually improve your team.
-jj
Jason, What's your evaluation of Quinn? If we pick in top 5 in the draft...We must take a Qb. Not just my opinion but a provable and historical fact...if you are picking in the top 5 your QB sucks!
Jason, What's your evaluation of Quinn? If we pick in top 5 in the draft...We must take a Qb. Not just my opinion but a provable and historical fact...if you are picking in the top 5 your QB sucks!
It's certainly possible. I think you have to look at the next 14 games. I think all the evidence the braintrust needs will be out there on the field in plain view. If Quinn's games 15 and 16 look like game 2... then you can bet quarterback will be at the top of the offseason list. That was just not an NFL-type effort.
But, I'm not sure the number of wins and losses will necessarily dictate what happens with Quinn. There have been instances where teams at the top of the draft didn't need to replace the quarterback. As a matter of fact, history tells us that you usually get 1 or 2 more cracks at it after you draft your "franchise" quarterback. The Raiders drafted Jemarcus Russel in 2007, and picked 4th the following year... but even if someone is not "bust potential", it happens.
In 2001 the Falcons drafted Michael Vick, and (had they not traded it to get him) would've drafted 5th in 2002. The Eagles drafted Donovan McNabb in 1999, and proceeded to draft 6th in 2000. The Colts drafted Peyton Manning in 1998, drafted 4th in 1999.
Now Quinn's not any of those guys. But he's also not likely the guy you've seen the last two weeks. You have to kind of play it out. You look at his assembled work at the end of the season and make an evaluation. The front office is going to have to determine what's the best course for the team going into 2010? It may well be a change at quarterback. It may not be. It's hard saying at this point. But that's why you don't make these decisions after week 2.
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or maybe they go 8-8 rather than 2-14
Even if that were possible (let's just call it "highly unlikely") to what end? So you can release him in January? Derek Anderson is a boon to a bad team and a liability to a good one. It's like trying to put your basketball team over the top by adding Jason Kapono. You look like a genius some nights. But, over the long haul, it doesn't actually improve your team.
-jj
Even if that were possible (let's just call it "highly unlikely") to what end? So you can release him in January? Derek Anderson is a boon to a bad team and a liability to a good one. It's like trying to put your basketball team over the top by adding Jason Kapono. You look like a genius some nights. But, over the long haul, it doesn't actually improve your team.
-jj
we are a bad team.
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Even if that were possible (let's just call it "highly unlikely") to what end? So you can release him in January? Derek Anderson is a boon to a bad team and a liability to a good one. It's like trying to put your basketball team over the top by adding Jason Kapono. You look like a genius some nights. But, over the long haul, it doesn't actually improve your team.
-jj
we are a bad team.
we are a bad team.
You're right. And if the plan for this team was to go into 2010 offseason with the primary intention of getting their next franchise quarterback, I'd say start Anderson. In fact, if that's the case, they probably should've traded Quinn heading into training camp. It could've saved them a lot of time and trouble, and netted them a first day draft pick.
And I'm not saying that would've been a bad move. Quinn's got a long way to go to be a legitimate NFL quarterback.
And, had the management come out and said, "We've dealt Brady Quinn to XYZ team, and are heading into 2009 with D.A.," I could've supported that. I'm not sure that would've been fair to Derek Anderson. Knowing he didn't have a lot of good will built up anyway, sticking him out in front of a bad football team (again) could've done his career some damage. Plus, the fans would be all over him for every mistake. The only upside is the city wouldn't have the knight in shining armor behind him. So, he might get a little slack.
But when that quarterback competition went on as long as it did, you knew it wasn't going to be Anderson. If it was even close to obvious that Anderson's the guy... they could've gotten rid of Quinn for a song. Almost no cap hit whatsoever. But when they waited, and waited, and waited... you knew they weren't sold on DA. And if they're not sold on him, why start him? Why put him out there?
You can't just say, well here's our quarterback for this year... even though we need a better guy. I think there'd be a growing sentiment both internally and externally to have him replaced. The cards would be sort of stacked against him from day 1. Do you really want to stick a young guy out there just to demonstrate that you need to replace him? That's not healthy.
Sticking around, he has a chance re-build his reputation from the sideline. He can be a good teammate. He can study, he can learn. And, when he gets called on, can come in rattle the cage a little bit, and work on his career. Anderson has a chance to become one of the great relief pitchers in NFL history. He's just never been a great starter. And there isn't anything wrong with that. I don't know why people get upset with me when I say that. Kevin Faulk isn't a #1 Running Back. Nobody gets mad about that statement. Dick Lebeau is not a good head coach. Hell, every team has 3 quarterbacks. And it's going to be a good number of years before there are 90 quarterbacks in this league better than Derek Anderson. For crying out loud, Charlie Frye is in his 6th NFL season, and he hasn't done much of anything other than cash checks and swing by the emergency room once in a while. Derek Anderson's got a 29 touchdown season under his belt... and he only played 14 full games that year. He's got skills.
But let's not over do it. You don't build or re-build around Derek Anderson. But, he sure is great to have around.
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Jason, What's your evaluation of Quinn? If we pick in top 5 in the draft...We must take a Qb. Not just my opinion but a provable and historical fact...if you are picking in the top 5 your QB sucks!
It's certainly possible. I think you have to look at the next 14 games. I think all the evidence the braintrust needs will be out there on the field in plain view. If Quinn's games 15 and 16 look like game 2... then you can bet quarterback will be at the top of the offseason list. That was just not an NFL-type effort.
But, I'm not sure the number of wins and losses will necessarily dictate what happens with Quinn. There have been instances where teams at the top of the draft didn't need to replace the quarterback. As a matter of fact, history tells us that you usually get 1 or 2 more cracks at it after you draft your "franchise" quarterback. The Raiders drafted Jemarcus Russel in 2007, and picked 4th the following year... but even if someone is not "bust potential", it happens.
In 2001 the Falcons drafted Michael Vick, and (had they not traded it to get him) would've drafted 5th in 2002. The Eagles drafted Donovan McNabb in 1999, and proceeded to draft 6th in 2000. The Colts drafted Peyton Manning in 1998, drafted 4th in 1999.
Now Quinn's not any of those guys. But he's also not likely the guy you've seen the last two weeks. You have to kind of play it out. You look at his assembled work at the end of the season and make an evaluation. The front office is going to have to determine what's the best course for the team going into 2010? It may well be a change at quarterback. It may not be. It's hard saying at this point. But that's why you don't make these decisions after week 2.
-jj
It's certainly possible. I think you have to look at the next 14 games. I think all the evidence the braintrust needs will be out there on the field in plain view. If Quinn's games 15 and 16 look like game 2... then you can bet quarterback will be at the top of the offseason list. That was just not an NFL-type effort.
But, I'm not sure the number of wins and losses will necessarily dictate what happens with Quinn. There have been instances where teams at the top of the draft didn't need to replace the quarterback. As a matter of fact, history tells us that you usually get 1 or 2 more cracks at it after you draft your "franchise" quarterback. The Raiders drafted Jemarcus Russel in 2007, and picked 4th the following year... but even if someone is not "bust potential", it happens.
In 2001 the Falcons drafted Michael Vick, and (had they not traded it to get him) would've drafted 5th in 2002. The Eagles drafted Donovan McNabb in 1999, and proceeded to draft 6th in 2000. The Colts drafted Peyton Manning in 1998, drafted 4th in 1999.
Now Quinn's not any of those guys. But he's also not likely the guy you've seen the last two weeks. You have to kind of play it out. You look at his assembled work at the end of the season and make an evaluation. The front office is going to have to determine what's the best course for the team going into 2010? It may well be a change at quarterback. It may not be. It's hard saying at this point. But that's why you don't make these decisions after week 2.
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Thanks...I'll point out that in J. russels third year, the raiders again pick in top 10= QB sucks... Also point to Pittsburgh picking Roth,NYG picking manning, SD picking rivers, Atl picking Ryan, Balt picking Flacco, NYJ picking Sanchez, Etc...If you pick in top of the draft...your QB sucks. If you shy away from going back to QB after a bust....you delay getting considerably better, IMO. Now if the Browns are picking in top 5 next year...I believe our Qb's suck! Regarless of the Rb and RT situation. Quinn, if he doesn't shine VERY soon, will end up like David Carr,Joey Harrington,Kyle Boller, Alex Smith and Tim Couch.
I really thought BQ would drastically improve against the Broncs, but seemed even worse...I'll give him a couple more chances to change my mind but....i think we will need a Franchise Qb with #1 pick next year.
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It's certainly possible. I think you have to look at the next 14 games. I think all the evidence the braintrust needs will be out there on the field in plain view. If Quinn's games 15 and 16 look like game 2... then you can bet quarterback will be at the top of the offseason list. That was just not an NFL-type effort.
But, I'm not sure the number of wins and losses will necessarily dictate what happens with Quinn. There have been instances where teams at the top of the draft didn't need to replace the quarterback. As a matter of fact, history tells us that you usually get 1 or 2 more cracks at it after you draft your "franchise" quarterback. The Raiders drafted Jemarcus Russel in 2007, and picked 4th the following year... but even if someone is not "bust potential", it happens.
In 2001 the Falcons drafted Michael Vick, and (had they not traded it to get him) would've drafted 5th in 2002. The Eagles drafted Donovan McNabb in 1999, and proceeded to draft 6th in 2000. The Colts drafted Peyton Manning in 1998, drafted 4th in 1999.
Now Quinn's not any of those guys. But he's also not likely the guy you've seen the last two weeks. You have to kind of play it out. You look at his assembled work at the end of the season and make an evaluation. The front office is going to have to determine what's the best course for the team going into 2010? It may well be a change at quarterback. It may not be. It's hard saying at this point. But that's why you don't make these decisions after week 2.
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Thanks...I'll point out that in J. russels third year, the raiders again pick in top 10= QB sucks... Also point to Pittsburgh picking Roth,NYG picking manning, SD picking rivers, Atl picking Ryan, Balt picking Flacco, NYJ picking Sanchez, Etc...If you pick in top of the draft...your QB sucks. If you shy away from going back to QB after a bust....you delay getting considerably better, IMO. Now if the Browns are picking in top 5 next year...I believe our Qb's suck! Regarless of the Rb and RT situation. Quinn, if he doesn't shine VERY soon, will end up like David Carr,Joey Harrington,Kyle Boller, Alex Smith and Tim Couch.
I really thought BQ would drastically improve against the Broncs, but seemed even worse...I'll give him a couple more chances to change my mind but....i think we will need a Franchise Qb with #1 pick next year.
Thanks...I'll point out that in J. russels third year, the raiders again pick in top 10= QB sucks... Also point to Pittsburgh picking Roth,NYG picking manning, SD picking rivers, Atl picking Ryan, Balt picking Flacco, NYJ picking Sanchez, Etc...If you pick in top of the draft...your QB sucks. If you shy away from going back to QB after a bust....you delay getting considerably better, IMO. Now if the Browns are picking in top 5 next year...I believe our Qb's suck! Regarless of the Rb and RT situation. Quinn, if he doesn't shine VERY soon, will end up like David Carr,Joey Harrington,Kyle Boller, Alex Smith and Tim Couch.
I really thought BQ would drastically improve against the Broncs, but seemed even worse...I'll give him a couple more chances to change my mind but....i think we will need a Franchise Qb with #1 pick next year.
Agreed... at least to the point that if the guy doesn't improve, the Browns need a quarterback. It's just a matter of how long that evaluation process lasts. I have a hunch, that the Mangini/Kokinis troupe may play this out for the full 16 games. The question is how much can Browns fans endure? History tells us quite a bit.
Of course, the kid may actually snap into shape. That's always a possibility. The question is, what are Mangini's expectations? And how does that differ from yours, mine, the fans, etc.? That's the stuff that's going to fill up this board.
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Starting Cribbs as WR has been a disaster, but I think that is what Mangini wanted to put him in his place. He simply doesn't care about W's, even with the flack he would take this year. I think we will come to a point, our entire first day of the draft sans Robiskie will be starting, but that does nothing for comfort of a poor year. Rebuilding from the bottom sucks, but this is the first "real" time we have tried IMO.
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Thanks...I'll point out that in J. russels third year, the raiders again pick in top 10= QB sucks... Also point to Pittsburgh picking Roth,NYG picking manning, SD picking rivers, Atl picking Ryan, Balt picking Flacco, NYJ picking Sanchez, Etc...If you pick in top of the draft...your QB sucks. If you shy away from going back to QB after a bust....you delay getting considerably better, IMO. Now if the Browns are picking in top 5 next year...I believe our Qb's suck! Regarless of the Rb and RT situation. Quinn, if he doesn't shine VERY soon, will end up like David Carr,Joey Harrington,Kyle Boller, Alex Smith and Tim Couch.
I really thought BQ would drastically improve against the Broncs, but seemed even worse...I'll give him a couple more chances to change my mind but....i think we will need a Franchise Qb with #1 pick next year.
Agreed... at least to the point that if the guy doesn't improve, the Browns need a quarterback. It's just a matter of how long that evaluation process lasts. I have a hunch, that the Mangini/Kokinis troupe may play this out for the full 16 games. The question is how much can Browns fans endure? History tells us quite a bit.
Of course, the kid may actually snap into shape. That's always a possibility. The question is, what are Mangini's expectations? And how does that differ from yours, mine, the fans, etc.? That's the stuff that's going to fill up this board.
-jj
Agreed... at least to the point that if the guy doesn't improve, the Browns need a quarterback. It's just a matter of how long that evaluation process lasts. I have a hunch, that the Mangini/Kokinis troupe may play this out for the full 16 games. The question is how much can Browns fans endure? History tells us quite a bit.
Of course, the kid may actually snap into shape. That's always a possibility. The question is, what are Mangini's expectations? And how does that differ from yours, mine, the fans, etc.? That's the stuff that's going to fill up this board.
-jj
Thoughts on Veikune,Robiske and MoMass? Thoughts on second rounders contributing right away?
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Yeah, but JJ...... DA is a playmaker!
Yeah, cheap shot at Z but the point is the same. I haven't seen anything in the first 2 games that would indicate putting in DA is the salve for all wounds.
I'm more than willing to cut Stan and other die hard, attend every game, season ticket holders a ton of slack on DA loyalty (Z, I'm not sure if you go to all the games). I did get that perspective from Stan in the other thread. Its a solid point. However, being cute and dismissing the supposed "BQ crowd" as out to lunch for wanting to give this guy some leash is just weak.
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no matter what any of you say this team sucks. i'm friggin embarassed watching them amongst other teams' fans at my local sports bar here in ny. how come other front offices can choose head coaches that know what they're doing? we continuously throw snake eyes. we can't draft anyone to save our lives. start cleaning house on this lot of bums. lewis is finished. play the rookies. manginious my ass. my jet fan friends laugh in my face. they couldn't wait to get rid of him. show some friggin emotion at least.
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Agreed... at least to the point that if the guy doesn't improve, the Browns need a quarterback. It's just a matter of how long that evaluation process lasts. I have a hunch, that the Mangini/Kokinis troupe may play this out for the full 16 games. The question is how much can Browns fans endure? History tells us quite a bit.
Of course, the kid may actually snap into shape. That's always a possibility. The question is, what are Mangini's expectations? And how does that differ from yours, mine, the fans, etc.? That's the stuff that's going to fill up this board.
-jj
Thoughts on Veikune,Robiske and MoMass? Thoughts on second rounders contributing right away?
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Agreed... at least to the point that if the guy doesn't improve, the Browns need a quarterback. It's just a matter of how long that evaluation process lasts. I have a hunch, that the Mangini/Kokinis troupe may play this out for the full 16 games. The question is how much can Browns fans endure? History tells us quite a bit.
Of course, the kid may actually snap into shape. That's always a possibility. The question is, what are Mangini's expectations? And how does that differ from yours, mine, the fans, etc.? That's the stuff that's going to fill up this board.
-jj
Thoughts on Veikune,Robiske and MoMass? Thoughts on second rounders contributing right away?
Thoughts on Veikune,Robiske and MoMass? Thoughts on second rounders contributing right away?
I think you're going to start seeing more and more of them. The Mangini method has been to bring rookies along... but bits at a time. This is counter to Romeo Crennel's policy of, you can play when you can beat out the starter. Mangini's whole philosophy is situational. So you teach a young player 1 situation, master it, then let him do it. Then, you go to work on the next situation. I think you'll see Maiava and Veikune start to contribute in situational defense sooner than later. Probably as soon as next week. You've already seen Massoquoi situationally. And I'd doubt if Robiskie is far behind. But he has had problems getting separation. He's going to get an opportunity to do something, but it may not manifest itself in many reps.
With young players, Mangini wants to minimize weaknesses. So find them a way to contribute, and just have them do that for a while. Until you can get them to do something else perfectly. Then let them do that, too. Eventually, they'll play someone else out of reps, because they do something better than the starter. It really depends on the player. Darrelle Revis started for Mangini from the start. Vernon Gholston never did. Dustin Keller started 6 games as a rookie. It's just a matter of what you can contribute.
I think you'll start to see Francies as well. Hank Poteat is having all kinds of problems in man coverage. He's really a zone guy. And, at 32, the blitz coverages are a bit much to ask of him. They've also added a couple of other young guys to the defensive backfield that will start to show up on third downs. They've just got to be integrated.
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Folks, if the sole issue was just the QB, I am pretty sure Quinn would have been yanked already. In no way am I trying to make excuses for Quinn's bad and really bad play these first two games. But let's run down a few realities here on the QB and O right now.
1. I hear DA would have thrown TD passes. Keep in mind folks, DA hasn't thrown a TD pass since week 9 last year against BALT. He had zero in relief against HOU last season, zero in his start against IND, and zero this preseason.
2. We have heard that the reason DA dropped off in 2008 was no JJ, Winslow missing some games, no 3rd WR, and no running game. What is actually different this season? CLE still has no legit #2 WR, might not have a legit #3 WR, and no running game. So why would it be any different of a performance this season.
Quinn is struggling, no question. He may not turn into a legit NFL starter. But calling for DA and expecting different results make no sense to me. If the excuse for DA's poor play last season was the reasons solely, then he'd have the same stuggles this year, because the situation is the same.
The offensive woes of CLE go deeper than just the QB.
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Folks, if the sole issue was just the QB, I am pretty sure Quinn would have been yanked already. In no way am I trying to make excuses for Quinn's bad and really bad play these first two games. But let's run down a few realities here on the QB and O right now.
1. I hear DA would have thrown TD passes. Keep in mind folks, DA hasn't thrown a TD pass since week 9 last year against BALT. He had zero in relief against HOU last season, zero in his start against IND, and zero this preseason.
2. We have heard that the reason DA dropped off in 2008 was no JJ, Winslow missing some games, no 3rd WR, and no running game. What is actually different this season? CLE still has no legit #2 WR, might not have a legit #3 WR, and no running game. So why would it be any different of a performance this season.
Quinn is struggling, no question. He may not turn into a legit NFL starter. But calling for DA and expecting different results make no sense to me. If the excuse for DA's poor play last season was the reasons solely, then he'd have the same stuggles this year, because the situation is the same.
The offensive woes of CLE go deeper than just the QB.
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Folks, if the sole issue was just the QB, I am pretty sure Quinn would have been yanked already. In no way am I trying to make excuses for Quinn's bad and really bad play these first two games. But let's run down a few realities here on the QB and O right now.1. I hear DA would have thrown TD passes. Keep in mind folks, DA hasn't thrown a TD pass since week 9 last year against BALT. He had zero in relief against HOU last season, zero in his start against IND, and zero this preseason.
2. We have heard that the reason DA dropped off in 2008 was no JJ, Winslow missing some games, no 3rd WR, and no running game. What is actually different this season? CLE still has no legit #2 WR, might not have a legit #3 WR, and no running game. So why would it be any different of a performance this season.
Quinn is struggling, no question. He may not turn into a legit NFL starter. But calling for DA and expecting different results make no sense to me. If the excuse for DA's poor play last season was those reasons solely, then he'd have the same this year, because the situation is the same this year.
The offensive woes of CLE go deeper than just the QB.
I believe NFL DC's figured out how to play DA to his weaknesses ... but what QB hasn't been game planned like that? I still feel the problem was in our OC's coaching of DA, they never adjusted. Opposing defenses adjusted after his first 7-8 games of success and we bent over and took it.
Since we have returned to the league we have never dictated anything, always the team that has adjustments made to counter any success we've had in the first half and we always come away acting as if that wasn't fair ... THAT IF FOOTBALL!
You run something successful until they stop it, then you attack where they are rolling the man over from to counter whjat you are doing. You stay a step ahead of them.
I just thought we had something to work with in DA. We may have tried to make adjustments and he just couldn't play to his weaknesses, but if you are going to tell me it is in the touch of his short game, I'm going to laugh ... NFL professional experienced Head Coaches can't work with a 24yr old on throwing a screen? Seriously? Have you EVER heard of that ever happening in the NFL before?
I'd like to see what Anderson can do with this new coaching staff, or what they can do with him.
I just don't like Quinns game. For those that know me for the past decade know that I was vicious in my attack of Tim Couch well before he came out for the draft his Junior year ... I did not want that shit here, and still don't. West Coast offense is one thing, Dink-n-dunk is another.
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