Senior Bowl

[Flugel]

@dutch-oven said:

I read something interesting a week or so ago but forgot to post it, so let me try and paraphrase it. The numbers might be slightly off, but you'll get the gist.

In the 2018 NFL Draft, there were something like 104 early-entry draft prospects. Guys who left with a year (or two) of years of college eligibility.

In the upcoming 2024 Draft, there's something like 54 early-entry guys. It's why many people are saying that the top of the draft is good, but the depth of the draft is not. 

(Ohio State, for example, only had a couple guys leave early for the Draft. The vast majority took NIL deals and are coming back for another season in Columbus)

You're not too late because that's definitely worthy of note here.  Looking at our draft, we have 6 picks in the last 3 rounds which is about as exciting as reading posts from the Cheesecakes fan club.  The Browns have to nail that 2nd and 3rd round pick.  I hope they package up some of those later picks for earlier help.  It feels like we reach on a lot of guys that would be undrafted FAs anyway.

[gumby73]

I'll admit I have a sick habit. Xmas the wife gift's me a gift worded "your sick habit"  Inside are always 3 simple white tablets, to note Shrine/Senior Bowl prospects,Combine thru FA's & Roster moves.. Dawgs, I'm already 4 pages in, from taking time off work at start of the Senior Bowl Practices..  I'm a NFL sick puppy !

@flugel said:

a.) Back to McConkey, it would be nice if he fell to us.  I see a more stout version of Brian Brennan but just as quick and agile (coming off nagging injuries at the end of the season). Early projections show upper half of round 2 while he has the next couple months to improve upon that.

b.) Is it possible to get immediate help at Left Tackle where we're drafting in round 2?   My guess is he'll have to have imperfections in spite of productivity on film or come from smaller school.  

a.) McConkey came to the SB wanting to prove to scouts/GM that his Back & Ankle injuries are recovering. His medicals from SB to Combine med checks are a thing to watch.

can't seperate McConkey from Roman Wilson at this point. Measureables are the same dude's in size. Put'em on the Combine Track. Both show Good Routes/ Good Hands

b.) I'm not buying into Guyton or Patrick Paul fixing anything as our 2nd round pick. Hoping, better names at other needed positions in DL/WR/LB might look better. BYU LT Kingsley Suamataia  & Patrick Paul fall closest to our 2nd rounder in most. Tackle value should be found in 3rd or 4th. Movers up finding tape on are Texas-Christian Jones/ Washington-Rodger Rosengardner/ Missouri- Javon Foster

@texasag1969 said:

I've said from the beginning he gets open and catches plus returns both punts and ko's. He could save us a couple of positions in that triple role and not go fumbling the ball like we have seen so many times. Plus who was throwing to him? We were down to 4th string QBs and lost the guy who used him best right from jump street. Too bad A&M couldn't sign up a 38 y.o. has been.  LOL!? I'm tellin' ya now, somebody will get a steal if the Browns pass him by in the 3rd.

 I've watched 3 games of tape on Smith 2 weeks ago..Your right.. Your QB , nor these at the SB, can put the ball on him moving.. stay tuned  

 

[gumby73]

@gumby73 said:

RB & TE.. There are options to replace our RB3 (Strong) &/or TE2 Harrison Bryant in this draft class. 

Liking the options we can find more & more with pair of picks in 5th & 6th rounders.. ^^

These QB's are masters of check downs to RB's/TE's that catch it... Keep working on that comeback Chubby

TCU

Emani

Bailey

RB

Kareem Hunt'ish flashbacks to open game  

Good thing we're not looking for none of these QB's ! WoW.. can't squint hard enough 

 Bama PK Will Reichard ? 57 yarder, clangs right goalpost halfway up.. That redneck's got a 5th round kicking leg. 

Halftime-- 7 - 7

edit-- National 16  American 7    Final

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@gumby73 said:

I'll admit I have a sick habit. Xmas the wife gift's me a gift worded "your sick habit"  Inside are always 3 simple white tablets, to note Shrine/Senior Bowl prospects,Combine thru FA's & Roster moves.. Dawgs, I'm already 4 pages in, from taking time off work at start of the Senior Bowl Practices..  I'm a NFL sick puppy !

a.) McConkey came to the SB wanting to prove to scouts/GM that his Back & Ankle injuries are recovering. His medicals from SB to Combine med checks are a thing to watch.

can't seperate McConkey from Roman Wilson at this point. Measureables are the same dude's in size. Put'em on the Combine Track. Both show Good Routes/ Good Hands

b.) I'm not buying into Guyton or Patrick Paul fixing anything as our 2nd round pick. Hoping, better names at other needed positions in DL/WR/LB might look better. BYU LT Kingsley Suamataia  & Patrick Paul fall closest to our 2nd rounder in most. Tackle value should be found in 3rd or 4th. Movers up finding tape on are Texas-Christian Jones/ Washington-Rodger Rosengardner/ Missouri- Javon Foster

 I've watched 3 games of tape on Smith 2 weeks ago..Your right.. Your QB , nor these at the SB, can put the ball on him moving.. stay tuned  

 

I all way's subscribed to the notion that you draft to your strongest position group, Which in are case is the O-LINE. Instead of reaching for a different position.

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@gumby73 said:

Liking the options we can find more & more with pair of picks in 5th & 6th rounders.. ^^

These QB's are masters of check downs to RB's/TE's that catch it... Keep working on that comeback Chubby

TCU

Emani

Bailey

RB

Kareem Hunt'ish flashbacks to open game  

Good thing we're not looking for none of these QB's ! WoW.. can't squint hard enough 

 Bama PK Will Reichard ? 54 yarder clangs right goalpost halfway up.. That redneck's got a 5th round kicking leg. 

Halftime-- 7 - 7

We also need to protect are biggest investment DeShaun Watson. I would move Conklin to left tackle and Groom Guyton as his replacement. As for Wills ? I dunno ? is he rostered for past next year ? how much do we owe him ? 

edit: if Wills were to somehow stay. he could play swing tackle or just go back to his natural position as a back up right tackle. As for the money ? I am Banking on Guyton taking over and moving on from Conklin's contract

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I am good with this  O.T Baby

Browns attack the offensive line, wide receiver in 7-round 2024 NFL draft mock

[gumby73]

@syd said:

We also need to protect are biggest investment DeShaun Watson. I would move Conklin to left tackle and Groom Guyton as his replacement. As for Wills ? I dunno ? is he rostered for past next year ? how much do we owe him ? 

Wills paid/trade/play 5th year option will cost 14.5M   Conklin's cap number is 12M.. berry's got work to do   https://overthecap.com/salary-cap/cleveland-browns

Wills & D.Jones feels safe.. Conklin might re-do contract again? I'd move on from Hudson & draft another   

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@gumby73 said:

Wills paid/trade/play 5th year option will cost 14.5M   Conklin's cap number is 12M.. berry's got work to do   https://overthecap.com/salary-cap/cleveland-browns

Wills & D.Jones feels safe.. Conklin might re-do contract again? I'd move on from Hudson & draft another   

First thanks cause i had no idea. I guess it would depend on dead money but i would move on from wills and as mentioned above play Conklin at left untill the rook is ready to take over, then cut him also

[Orion]

@gumby73 said:

I'd move on from Hudson & draft another 

We've got plenty of 3rd day picks.  Should be able to hit just about every position group.

[gumby73]

Here's where we ended..

Here's a idea ..

[gumby73]

Baldy, We too like high motor DT's like FSU's Braden Fiske & squatty Dt's of McKinley Jackson..

BUTT,

We also saw Berry get Taven Bryan & Marvin Wilson for the same reasons.. Careful what you ask for  ?

[gumby73]

@orion said:

We've got plenty of 3rd day picks.  Should be able to hit just about every position group.

WR/DL/OT/LB Top Tier BPA, any order 

TE/RB/S bottom BPA 

but it just turned February

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@gumby73 said:

Baldy, We too like high motor DT's like FSU's Braden Fiske & squatty Dt's of McKinley Jackson..

BUTT,

We also saw Berry get Taven Bryan & Marvin Wilson for the same reasons.. Careful what you ask for  ?

whose baldy ? who is we ?

[gumby73]

@syd said:

whose baldy ? who is we ?

  nfl network anal' list Brian Baldinger .. We = Browns fans

no finger jokes.. cause I don't know how this is possible w/great health care systems

5 o'clock..  rum & coke time  ?

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@gumby73 said:

  nfl network anal' list Brian Baldinger .. We = Browns fans

no finger jokes.. cause I don't know how this is possible w/great health care systems

5 o'clock..  rum & coke time  ?

aaaaahhh Baldy I all ways liked his breakdowns.

[AP1]

@gumby73 said:

Here's where we ended..

Here's a idea ..

They've got to find a way to keep Wyatt Teller. 

[gumby73]

@ap1 said:

They've got ti find a way to keep Wyatt Teller. 

Don't disagree.. Here's the thoughts from the writer

Bitonio is going to be a Cleveland Brown until he retires but when that will be no one knows. As an offensive lineman that needs to go every snap your career can quickly come to an end with one injury. So while the team won't put too much resources into preparing for the end they need to be aware it could happen at any time. Luckily Callahan has managed to produce above-average play out of numerous guards when injuries have hit so they should be able to stash someone on the practice squad or a phone call that can come in and be serviceable.

Teller seems destined for free agency this upcoming offseason. I don't expect anyone to trade for his nonguaranteed salary of $14m. They will need to make an early decision as he is due $2m on the 20th of March. Since he was linked in trade discussions around the free agency period last year they aren't sure he provides the value to match his contract. Plus they can't realistically go into next season with all five offensive linemen on significant deals, he is the easiest to move on from financially alongside Bitonio.

With Teller gone I would expect them to make a move in free agency, someone in the $3-5m range would likely be the plan on a one to two-year deal so that they aren't going to drop a significant level of talent. With Callahan as a position coach, successful team and quality offensive line players will want to come to Cleveland to increase their value.

They have Forbes and Deaton as bodies but I don't expect either of them to be an answer to the issue, most likely people are kept around during camp so that they have three solid lines as they try and develop younger players that they add. Dunn will be another player who will explore free agency and if no one wants him then he is likely to return as injury depth, either on the practice squad or bottom of the roster.

The smart move would be to add a guard on day three of the draft, it isn't a position that tends to be drafted too highly so you add someone to develop. They can either replace the free agent after year one or be the player you groom to fill the shoes of Joel Bitonio one day.

Teller contract details here https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/cleveland-browns/wyatt-teller-25267/

[MLD Woody]

@dutch-oven said:

He's a free agent, isn't he? 

Yeah but I mean I figured we resign him after a good year

[tiamat63]

@mld-woody said:

We're replacing Mo?

 Entirely possible.   He's a FA that was on a 1 year deal and couldn't finish the season healthy.  He had a very solid year, but being on the lookout for rotational pieces who can meaningfully contribute in certain roles comes with extra focus on cost.    

[MLD Woody]

@tiamat63 said:

 Entirely possible.   He's a FA that was on a 1 year deal and couldn't finish the season healthy.  He had a very solid year, but being on the lookout for rotational pieces who can meaningfully contribute in certain roles comes with extra focus on cost.    

To be fair, I'm assuming he recovered well. If he did, seems like an easy choice to resign