Jameis Winston is a Brown
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Yeah, I forget how much Cheesecakes lit it up in Carolina. Let me guess, we don't count that? Mike Evans made Johnny Manziel a Heisman Trophy winner and a 1st round draft pick; and he elevated Baker to a 9-8 QB in the weakest division in football. The problem with Baker is every time he has a decent year - the next year is disappointing. His 1st in Cleveland was exciting. The 2nd year was a huge disappointment. The 3rd year, he had has his - "I'll prove who I am" mentality for all the disbelievers and he did that. The last year, he was back to the guy we saw in his 2nd year.
Here's the thing - Baker was a 1st overall draft pick so there were a lot of reasons unbeknownst to us why not 1 single player was pissed off about the Browns decision to go in a different direction. Not 1. He lost the locker room and when that happens - the best thing for Baker being Baker is to take his "I'll show everyone what I can do" to another team. It didn't work Carolina. It worked a little bit in LA but not enough for them to retain him. And in Tampa, welcome to future HOF WR Mike Evans - it worked again.
I'll say this - I did NOT agree with how the Browns handled it. I still don't. That said, the move benefitted Baker if he can start putting together back to back good seasons. More consistency on that and your intuitions will be rewarded about the guy. Somewhere in all this, let's hope you remember people STILL want to talk about the Cleveland Browns on their Cleveland Browns Board, not to be confused with the TB Bucs. I understand you don't want politics in here while we don't want to talk about the Bucs. Forcing that on us because Cal wants to go Rain Man announcing passing games need WRs is like asking the Native Americans to listen to people telling them Christopher Columbus discovered America multiple times a day. The Tampa Bay Bucs have a message board; and I'm certain they would enjoy more enthusiasts about their 9-8 football team than we do. I never hated the guy. I rooted for him every year he was here. I actually wanted us to draft Cheesecakes #1 overall while Cal did not. Your little buddy didn't root for him when he kept trying to post he was right that his Josh Allen was better than Baker Mayfield - especially in their second year.
Carolina is the worst team in the league. A 23-year-old Joe Namath couldn't win games there. And again he wouldn't give fuck number one about this if you weren't obsessed with cal.
WSS
Carolina is the worst team in the league. A 23-year-old Joe Namath couldn't win games there. And again he wouldn't give fuck number one about this if you weren't obsessed with cal.
WSS
More excuses. And didn't Baker get 2 really easy wins against them in 2023? That was the worst division in football so now you want to count what he can do against the worst division in football as the tell-all? Ok... Any more cherry picking here? Hey I live in the Tampa area - I can pick you up a Baker Mayfield jersey if you want me to.
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Carolina is the worst team in the league. A 23-year-old Joe Namath couldn't win games there. And again he wouldn't give fuck number one about this if you weren't obsessed with cal.
WSS
More excuses. And didn't Baker get 2 really easy wins against them in 2023? That was the worst division in football so now you want to count what he can do against the worst division in football as the tell-all? Ok... Any more cherry picking here? Hey I live in the Tampa area - I can pick you up a Baker Mayfield jersey if you want me to.
More excuses. And didn't Baker get 2 really easy wins against them in 2023? That was the worst division in football so now you want to count what he can do against the worst division in football as the tell-all? Ok... Any more cherry picking here? Hey I live in the Tampa area - I can pick you up a Baker Mayfield jersey if you want me to.
Hey kind of like some of the pussies here that bought Bernie Kosar Dallas or Miami jerseys?
WSS
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Yeah, I forget how much Cheesecakes lit it up in Carolina. Let me guess, we don't count that? Mike Evans made Johnny Manziel a Heisman Trophy winner and a 1st round draft pick; and he elevated Baker to a 9-8 QB in the weakest division in football. The problem with Baker is every time he has a decent year - the next year is disappointing. His 1st in Cleveland was exciting. The 2nd year was a huge disappointment. The 3rd year, he had has his - "I'll prove who I am" mentality for all the disbelievers and he did that. The last year, he was back to the guy we saw in his 2nd year.
Here's the thing - Baker was a 1st overall draft pick so there were a lot of reasons unbeknownst to us why not 1 single player was pissed off about the Browns decision to go in a different direction. Not 1. He lost the locker room and when that happens - the best thing for Baker being Baker is to take his "I'll show everyone what I can do" to another team. It didn't work Carolina. It worked a little bit in LA but not enough for them to retain him. And in Tampa, welcome to future HOF WR Mike Evans - it worked again.
I'll say this - I did NOT agree with how the Browns handled it. I still don't. That said, the move benefitted Baker if he can start putting together back to back good seasons. More consistency on that and your intuitions will be rewarded about the guy. Somewhere in all this, let's hope you remember people STILL want to talk about the Cleveland Browns on their Cleveland Browns Board, not to be confused with the TB Bucs. I understand you don't want politics in here while we don't want to talk about the Bucs. Forcing that on us because Cal wants to go Rain Man announcing passing games need WRs is like asking the Native Americans to listen to people telling them Christopher Columbus discovered America multiple times a day. The Tampa Bay Bucs have a message board; and I'm certain they would enjoy more enthusiasts about their 9-8 football team than we do. I never hated the guy. I rooted for him every year he was here. I actually wanted us to draft Cheesecakes #1 overall while Cal did not. Your little buddy didn't root for him when he kept trying to post he was right that his Josh Allen was better than Baker Mayfield - especially in their second year.
Carolina is the worst team in the league. A 23-year-old Joe Namath couldn't win games there. And again he wouldn't give fuck number one about this if you weren't obsessed with cal.
WSS
Carolina is the worst team in the league. A 23-year-old Joe Namath couldn't win games there. And again he wouldn't give fuck number one about this if you weren't obsessed with cal.
WSS
Nobody is obsessed with Cal. He has, by his actions alone, turned himself into a very mockable, and unlikeable pariah.
He's the worst of both worlds.
- When he says something sensible, he'll beat you over the head with it when said sensibility comes to fruition.
- When he says something inflammatory, but it's a 50/50... He's a belligerent asshole if the 50% falls in his favor.
- when he's a belligerent asshole and wrong on the 50% (Said Baker would be a success in Carolina, wished the Browns would lose, etc etc) he's then quiet immediately and for the foreseeable future afterwards.
Zero ability to measure his words or read the room and adjust accordingly. Given his has hundreds, possibly even 4 figures worthy of empty threads on this site, often times with him bumping and talking to himself, a form of adult autism is a likely diagnosis here. There is no higher functioning brain that acts or speaks in the manner he does in the digital world. If this was a round table, set in a house and not a forum on the Internet, the body language and lack of engagement alone would see him dismissed from the table. But, this is the Internet, and he has the ability to ignore the reality of what an in-person conversation would play out like with the same methods and topic.
Baker is Baker. He's good enough, he's not NFL elite and my no metric has he ever been for any consistency. The Browns took a gamble at something greater, a high risk bet I wouldn't have made. But at least it made sense. I don't hate Mayfield and I think it's weird if someone does. But the pimping like he's a savior is annoying, especially when it's accompanied with the trolling. There are, at any given point, only a few QBs in the NFL who can be 'that' guy. Baker isn't it. It sucks, but it is what it is. If the more inflammatory personalities reigned themselves in, they wouldn't find themselves being (rightfully) poked fun at.
Edit: Cal talking about Tvondre Sweat is a great example. To business, no wasted words, no nonsense. Nobody gives him shit for it. Posters crack jokes at players the Browns passed up or let move on, but most aren't a dick about it.
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https://www.totalprosports.com/nfl/nfl-fans-react-deshaun-watson-massage-self-field/
The Browns are being laughed at around the league. sad.
A friend called, laughing, she asked if I had heard about the Browns' latest signing.
"Now they have two qb's who are guilty of sexual assault LOL LOL LOL LOL"
I'm stunned at the stupidity of these two moves.
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Awards. SEC Network. Jameis Winston has settled a federal lawsuit filed by a woman who accused him of sexually assaulting her in 2012 while he played at Florida State, the woman's lawyer said.
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1. Jameis Winston (now the starting quarterback of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers) has been identified in the sexual assaults of two women, and. 2. The Florida State Chief of Police and the Dean of Students colluded to stop the investigations of Winston. This is the case: In December 2012, Erica Kinsman******************************
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https://www.totalprosports.com/nfl/nfl-fans-react-deshaun-watson-massage-self-field/
The Browns are being laughed at around the league. sad.
A friend called, laughing, she asked if I had heard about the Browns' latest signing.
"Now they have two qb's who are guilty of sexual assault LOL LOL LOL LOL"
I'm stunned at the stupidity of these two moves.
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Awards. SEC Network. Jameis Winston has settled a federal lawsuit filed by a woman who accused him of sexually assaulting her in 2012 while he played at Florida State, the woman's lawyer said.
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1. Jameis Winston (now the starting quarterback of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers) has been identified in the sexual assaults of two women, and. 2. The Florida State Chief of Police and the Dean of Students colluded to stop the investigations of Winston. This is the case: In December 2012, Erica Kinsman******************************
Tiamses runs his darth vader mouth again? Anyone who doesn't kiss tiams's ass as a (fake) football God has to be run off the board?
Exactly as a said - to new members - if you don't join tiams' little football cult and agree with him all the time, he and his little troublemakers will try to get you run off the forum for your "failure to kiss their rears" fake "crimes". The arrogance is pretty sick.
I never start fires - Tiam and his little band of ninnies are the trouble, and it seems like they enjoy it.
Doesn't work with some of us, although a few have left permanently because of said troublemakers' hostility to own the forum, and their hostility over the other forum, which seems to be the real problem because they keep bringing it up.
Note - I have not said one thing to tiam much at all, and he butts in like a gay blade who wasn't smart enough to make it to the NFL and who demands to be a fake football "god" to compensate.
Another thread ruined.
Cal... I ignored all of the Village Idiots... You reap what you sow...
Nickers...."There are no old running QB's in the NFL "~Sam Rutigliano~ -
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Carolina is the worst team in the league. A 23-year-old Joe Namath couldn't win games there. And again he wouldn't give fuck number one about this if you weren't obsessed with cal.
WSS
Nobody is obsessed with Cal. He has, by his actions alone, turned himself into a very mockable, and unlikeable pariah.
He's the worst of both worlds.
- When he says something sensible, he'll beat you over the head with it when said sensibility comes to fruition.
- When he says something inflammatory, but it's a 50/50... He's a belligerent asshole if the 50% falls in his favor.
- when he's a belligerent asshole and wrong on the 50% (Said Baker would be a success in Carolina, wished the Browns would lose, etc etc) he's then quiet immediately and for the foreseeable future afterwards.
Zero ability to measure his words or read the room and adjust accordingly. Given his has hundreds, possibly even 4 figures worthy of empty threads on this site, often times with him bumping and talking to himself, a form of adult autism is a likely diagnosis here. There is no higher functioning brain that acts or speaks in the manner he does in the digital world. If this was a round table, set in a house and not a forum on the Internet, the body language and lack of engagement alone would see him dismissed from the table. But, this is the Internet, and he has the ability to ignore the reality of what an in-person conversation would play out like with the same methods and topic.
Baker is Baker. He's good enough, he's not NFL elite and my no metric has he ever been for any consistency. The Browns took a gamble at something greater, a high risk bet I wouldn't have made. But at least it made sense. I don't hate Mayfield and I think it's weird if someone does. But the pimping like he's a savior is annoying, especially when it's accompanied with the trolling. There are, at any given point, only a few QBs in the NFL who can be 'that' guy. Baker isn't it. It sucks, but it is what it is. If the more inflammatory personalities reigned themselves in, they wouldn't find themselves being (rightfully) poked fun at.
Edit: Cal talking about Tvondre Sweat is a great example. To business, no wasted words, no nonsense. Nobody gives him shit for it. Posters crack jokes at players the Browns passed up or let move on, but most aren't a dick about it.
Nobody is obsessed with Cal. He has, by his actions alone, turned himself into a very mockable, and unlikeable pariah.
He's the worst of both worlds.
- When he says something sensible, he'll beat you over the head with it when said sensibility comes to fruition.
- When he says something inflammatory, but it's a 50/50... He's a belligerent asshole if the 50% falls in his favor.
- when he's a belligerent asshole and wrong on the 50% (Said Baker would be a success in Carolina, wished the Browns would lose, etc etc) he's then quiet immediately and for the foreseeable future afterwards.
Zero ability to measure his words or read the room and adjust accordingly. Given his has hundreds, possibly even 4 figures worthy of empty threads on this site, often times with him bumping and talking to himself, a form of adult autism is a likely diagnosis here. There is no higher functioning brain that acts or speaks in the manner he does in the digital world. If this was a round table, set in a house and not a forum on the Internet, the body language and lack of engagement alone would see him dismissed from the table. But, this is the Internet, and he has the ability to ignore the reality of what an in-person conversation would play out like with the same methods and topic.
Baker is Baker. He's good enough, he's not NFL elite and my no metric has he ever been for any consistency. The Browns took a gamble at something greater, a high risk bet I wouldn't have made. But at least it made sense. I don't hate Mayfield and I think it's weird if someone does. But the pimping like he's a savior is annoying, especially when it's accompanied with the trolling. There are, at any given point, only a few QBs in the NFL who can be 'that' guy. Baker isn't it. It sucks, but it is what it is. If the more inflammatory personalities reigned themselves in, they wouldn't find themselves being (rightfully) poked fun at.
Edit: Cal talking about Tvondre Sweat is a great example. To business, no wasted words, no nonsense. Nobody gives him shit for it. Posters crack jokes at players the Browns passed up or let move on, but most aren't a dick about it.
I've said the same stuff. How many times do I have to repeat my opposition to Watson has nothing to do with it throughout the off the field antics. But the hatred of Mayfield is stupid. You should be more concerned that Todd fucking Bowles found a way to succeed but Kevin fucking Stefanski couldn't. So again you don't like Cal I get it; just don't read his shit if you can't control your anger or block him or whatever you decide to do. I know you don't like me so you just stay out of my way fine. Disappointing but fine.
WSS
www.westsidesteve.com www.myspace.com/westsidestevemusic www.cdbaby.com/artist/westsidestevesimmons -
Tiamses runs his darth vader mouth again? Anyone who doesn't kiss tiams's ass as a (fake) football God has to be run off the board?
Exactly as a said - to new members - if you don't join tiams' little football cult and agree with him all the time, he and his little troublemakers will try to get you run off the forum for your "failure to kiss their rears" fake "crimes". The arrogance is pretty sick.
I never start fires - Tiam and his little band of ninnies are the trouble, and it seems like they enjoy it.
Doesn't work with some of us, although a few have left permanently because of said troublemakers' hostility to own the forum, and their hostility over the other forum, which seems to be the real problem because they keep bringing it up.
Note - I have not said one thing to tiam much at all, and he butts in like a gay blade who wasn't smart enough to make it to the NFL and who demands to be a fake football "god" to compensate.
Another thread ruined.
Cal... I ignored all of the Village Idiots... You reap what you sow...
Cal... I ignored all of the Village Idiots... You reap what you sow...
Nicks, I don't care how popular this is - you're a good guy. Never once have you been disrespectful to me even when I busted your balls. That said, when I do that - my intentions are to get you laughing as well. Most of the time your biggest enemy is yourself; and it's usually when you say something out of frustration (because we know the Browns can do that to any of us at 1 time or another).
Coincidentally, in this thread about Baker Mayfield - I'm eating strawberry cheesecake. FWIW, I don't mind Cheesecakes Mayfield. Cal pretending he's always been a big fan of him is another story - and it's not exactly non-fictional.
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
https://www.totalprosports.com/nfl/nfl-fans-react-deshaun-watson-massage-self-field/
The Browns are being laughed at around the league. sad.
A friend called, laughing, she asked if I had heard about the Browns' latest signing.
"Now they have two qb's who are guilty of sexual assault LOL LOL LOL LOL"
I'm stunned at the stupidity of these two moves.
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Awards. SEC Network. Jameis Winston has settled a federal lawsuit filed by a woman who accused him of sexually assaulting her in 2012 while he played at Florida State, the woman's lawyer said.
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1. Jameis Winston (now the starting quarterback of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers) has been identified in the sexual assaults of two women, and. 2. The Florida State Chief of Police and the Dean of Students colluded to stop the investigations of Winston. This is the case: In December 2012, Erica Kinsman******************************
https://www.totalprosports.com/nfl/nfl-fans-react-deshaun-watson-massage-self-field/
The Browns are being laughed at around the league. sad.
A friend called, laughing, she asked if I had heard about the Browns' latest signing.
"Now they have two qb's who are guilty of sexual assault LOL LOL LOL LOL"
I'm stunned at the stupidity of these two moves.
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Awards. SEC Network. Jameis Winston has settled a federal lawsuit filed by a woman who accused him of sexually assaulting her in 2012 while he played at Florida State, the woman's lawyer said.
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1. Jameis Winston (now the starting quarterback of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers) has been identified in the sexual assaults of two women, and. 2. The Florida State Chief of Police and the Dean of Students colluded to stop the investigations of Winston. This is the case: In December 2012, Erica Kinsman******************************
No wonder why you even need to bring your gun to Chuck E Cheese. Those little kids can be very intimidating...?
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https://www.totalprosports.com/nfl/nfl-fans-react-deshaun-watson-massage-self-field/
The Browns are being laughed at around the league. sad.
A friend called, laughing, she asked if I had heard about the Browns' latest signing.
"Now they have two qb's who are guilty of sexual assault LOL LOL LOL LOL"
I'm stunned at the stupidity of these two moves.
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Awards. SEC Network. Jameis Winston has settled a federal lawsuit filed by a woman who accused him of sexually assaulting her in 2012 while he played at Florida State, the woman's lawyer said.
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1. Jameis Winston (now the starting quarterback of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers) has been identified in the sexual assaults of two women, and. 2. The Florida State Chief of Police and the Dean of Students colluded to stop the investigations of Winston. This is the case: In December 2012, Erica Kinsman******************************
No wonder why you even need to bring your gun to Chuck E Cheese. Those little kids can be very intimidating...?
No wonder why you even need to bring your gun to Chuck E Cheese. Those little kids can be very intimidating...?
She shoulda held out for $98mil.? $950,000 hardly even qualifies.
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Cal... I ignored all of the Village Idiots... You reap what you sow...
Nicks, I don't care how popular this is - you're a good guy. Never once have you been disrespectful to me even when I busted your balls. That said, when I do that - my intentions are to get you laughing as well. Most of the time your biggest enemy is yourself; and it's usually when you say something out of frustration (because we know the Browns can do that to any of us at 1 time or another).
Coincidentally, in this thread about Baker Mayfield - I'm eating strawberry cheesecake. FWIW, I don't mind Cheesecakes Mayfield. Cal pretending he's always been a big fan of him is another story - and it's not exactly non-fictional.
Nicks, I don't care how popular this is - you're a good guy. Never once have you been disrespectful to me even when I busted your balls. That said, when I do that - my intentions are to get you laughing as well. Most of the time your biggest enemy is yourself; and it's usually when you say something out of frustration (because we know the Browns can do that to any of us at 1 time or another).
Coincidentally, in this thread about Baker Mayfield - I'm eating strawberry cheesecake. FWIW, I don't mind Cheesecakes Mayfield. Cal pretending he's always been a big fan of him is another story - and it's not exactly non-fictional.
Tom , I never had any issues with you.. I think you're a good dude.. The problem I have with some on here is they think they're God's gift to Football knowledge.. At the end of the day.. You go home to your family, Your bills and responsibilities and things that really matter.. It doesn't mean jack diddly when people are going hungry, People are battling terminal illnesses and other personal problems.. Football is just a temporary deviation or aversion from all of that.. Eventually.. You have to live in the now and what is truly pertinent to ones survival...
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Tiamses runs his darth vader mouth again? Anyone who doesn't kiss tiams's ass as a (fake) football God has to be run off the board?
Exactly as a said - to new members - if you don't join tiams' little football cult and agree with him all the time, he and his little troublemakers will try to get you run off the forum for your "failure to kiss their rears" fake "crimes". The arrogance is pretty sick.
I never start fires - Tiam and his little band of ninnies are the trouble, and it seems like they enjoy it.
Doesn't work with some of us, although a few have left permanently because of said troublemakers' hostility to own the forum, and their hostility over the other forum, which seems to be the real problem because they keep bringing it up.
Note - I have not said one thing to tiam much at all, and he butts in like a gay blade who wasn't smart enough to make it to the NFL and who demands to be a fake football "god" to compensate.
Another thread ruined.
Cal... I ignored all of the Village Idiots... You reap what you sow...
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She shoulda held out for $98mil.? $950,000 hardly even qualifies.
Apparently sexual assault is a very serious thing to certain people here when it pertains to "running quarterbacks".
It stops being a problem when it pertains to other "non-running quarterback" type people.
Fascinating.
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She shoulda held out for $98mil.? $950,000 hardly even qualifies.
Apparently sexual assault is a very serious thing to certain people here when it pertains to "running quarterbacks".
It stops being a problem when it pertains to other "non-running quarterback" type people.
Fascinating.
Apparently sexual assault is a very serious thing to certain people here when it pertains to "running quarterbacks".
It stops being a problem when it pertains to other "non-running quarterback" type people.
Fascinating.
I think they'd both look adorable with red faces and strawberry blonde hair dressed in 1 extra large lawsuit.
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https://www.totalprosports.com/nfl/nfl-fans-react-deshaun-watson-massage-self-field/
The Browns are being laughed at around the league. sad.
A friend called, laughing, she asked if I had heard about the Browns' latest signing.
"Now they have two qb's who are guilty of sexual assault LOL LOL LOL LOL"
I'm stunned at the stupidity of these two moves.
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Awards. SEC Network. Jameis Winston has settled a federal lawsuit filed by a woman who accused him of sexually assaulting her in 2012 while he played at Florida State, the woman's lawyer said.
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1. Jameis Winston (now the starting quarterback of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers) has been identified in the sexual assaults of two women, and. 2. The Florida State Chief of Police and the Dean of Students colluded to stop the investigations of Winston. This is the case: In December 2012, Erica Kinsman******************************
https://www.totalprosports.com/nfl/nfl-fans-react-deshaun-watson-massage-self-field/
The Browns are being laughed at around the league. sad.
A friend called, laughing, she asked if I had heard about the Browns' latest signing.
"Now they have two qb's who are guilty of sexual assault LOL LOL LOL LOL"
I'm stunned at the stupidity of these two moves.
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Awards. SEC Network. Jameis Winston has settled a federal lawsuit filed by a woman who accused him of sexually assaulting her in 2012 while he played at Florida State, the woman's lawyer said.
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1. Jameis Winston (now the starting quarterback of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers) has been identified in the sexual assaults of two women, and. 2. The Florida State Chief of Police and the Dean of Students colluded to stop the investigations of Winston. This is the case: In December 2012, Erica Kinsman******************************
Make Cleveland Great Again! Thank you Calsies!
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A decent enough signing. We are talking back-up QB here, we aren't talking about a Watson replacement which is what some people seem to want.
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Nobody is obsessed with Cal. He has, by his actions alone, turned himself into a very mockable, and unlikeable pariah.
He's the worst of both worlds.
- When he says something sensible, he'll beat you over the head with it when said sensibility comes to fruition.
- When he says something inflammatory, but it's a 50/50... He's a belligerent asshole if the 50% falls in his favor.
- when he's a belligerent asshole and wrong on the 50% (Said Baker would be a success in Carolina, wished the Browns would lose, etc etc) he's then quiet immediately and for the foreseeable future afterwards.
Zero ability to measure his words or read the room and adjust accordingly. Given his has hundreds, possibly even 4 figures worthy of empty threads on this site, often times with him bumping and talking to himself, a form of adult autism is a likely diagnosis here. There is no higher functioning brain that acts or speaks in the manner he does in the digital world. If this was a round table, set in a house and not a forum on the Internet, the body language and lack of engagement alone would see him dismissed from the table. But, this is the Internet, and he has the ability to ignore the reality of what an in-person conversation would play out like with the same methods and topic.
Baker is Baker. He's good enough, he's not NFL elite and my no metric has he ever been for any consistency. The Browns took a gamble at something greater, a high risk bet I wouldn't have made. But at least it made sense. I don't hate Mayfield and I think it's weird if someone does. But the pimping like he's a savior is annoying, especially when it's accompanied with the trolling. There are, at any given point, only a few QBs in the NFL who can be 'that' guy. Baker isn't it. It sucks, but it is what it is. If the more inflammatory personalities reigned themselves in, they wouldn't find themselves being (rightfully) poked fun at.
Edit: Cal talking about Tvondre Sweat is a great example. To business, no wasted words, no nonsense. Nobody gives him shit for it. Posters crack jokes at players the Browns passed up or let move on, but most aren't a dick about it.
I've said the same stuff. How many times do I have to repeat my opposition to Watson has nothing to do with it throughout the off the field antics. But the hatred of Mayfield is stupid. You should be more concerned that Todd fucking Bowles found a way to succeed but Kevin fucking Stefanski couldn't. So again you don't like Cal I get it; just don't read his shit if you can't control your anger or block him or whatever you decide to do. I know you don't like me so you just stay out of my way fine. Disappointing but fine.
WSS
You should be more concerned that Todd fucking Bowles found a way to succeed but Kevin fucking Stefanski couldn't.
Interesting thought process. Given that Stefanski and the Browns have/had...
- The same amount of playoff wins with Baker as the starting QB as Tampa.
- The same amount of playoff wins despite Tampa having, as Cal put it, much better receivers.
You should consider...
- Bakers numbers, in just about every metric save for INT %, are only marginally better in Tampa with a 17 game season then what they were in the Cleveland 2020 season. That's extrapolating that 2020 pace into a 17 game season and vice versa, the 2023 season into a 16 game grind. With it, Baker himself improved as a QB, by only the smallest of margins. That includes having one of the very best X, 50/50 outside receivers in the NFL the last 10 years.
- Metrics marginally better although Baker is now on a team that went from being 4th in run percentage, to a team that is 19th. He's being allowed to throw more... But the increase has been a huge "meh"
- Turnover placement that is, by charts, oddly similar to the turnover markers, coverages and timings on the field from every other stop Baker has had along the way. (downfield, at/inside the numbers. Outside numbers at 10-15 yards)
- Two additional coaching staffs who experienced the same struggles in their evaluations. Tossing out the high and low results to find our median... McVay opting to not keep Baker as a longer-term solution should be rather telling.
- Baker playing almost to a tee, the same way in Tampa that he did Cleveland. If you reduce his attempts or increase them, he has responded proportionally. Which means he flirts with the line of a top-15 QB in the right situation, and just outside the top 20 in a less favorable one.
You should be concerned ....
- Why you ever thought you'd be able to say something like that, to me, and not have it deconstructed to more accurately reflect what reality on the field really is.
You put your passion into music.
I put mine into football.
So again you don't like Cal I get it; just don't read his shit if you can't control your anger or block him or whatever you decide to do.
He's been blocked, I might uncover him on occasion in threads about the draft because he does contribute on off-chance, which is nice. Beyond that, I'm sure I'd have seen him chime in by now.
I know you don't like me so you just stay out of my way fine. Disappointing but fine.
WSS
Sorry to disappoint.
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I'm thankful I wasn't drinking something when I read the above last line by tia, or I would have sprayed my laptop screen methinks...
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I'm thankful I wasn't drinking something when I read the above last line by tia, or I would have sprayed my laptop screen methinks...
I'm thankful I wasn't drinking something when I read the above last line by tia, or I would have sprayed my laptop screen methinks...
I assume you regularly spray your laptop with other fluids.
WSS
www.westsidesteve.com www.myspace.com/westsidestevemusic www.cdbaby.com/artist/westsidestevesimmons -
I'm thankful I wasn't drinking something when I read the above last line by tia, or I would have sprayed my laptop screen methinks...
I assume you regularly spray your laptop with other fluids.
WSS
I assume you regularly spray your laptop with other fluids.
WSS
WWS ?
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You should be more concerned that Todd fucking Bowles found a way to succeed but Kevin fucking Stefanski couldn't.
Interesting thought process. Given that Stefanski and the Browns have/had...
- The same amount of playoff wins with Baker as the starting QB as Tampa.
- The same amount of playoff wins despite Tampa having, as Cal put it, much better receivers.
You should consider...
- Bakers numbers, in just about every metric save for INT %, are only marginally better in Tampa with a 17 game season then what they were in the Cleveland 2020 season. That's extrapolating that 2020 pace into a 17 game season and vice versa, the 2023 season into a 16 game grind. With it, Baker himself improved as a QB, by only the smallest of margins. That includes having one of the very best X, 50/50 outside receivers in the NFL the last 10 years.
- Metrics marginally better although Baker is now on a team that went from being 4th in run percentage, to a team that is 19th. He's being allowed to throw more... But the increase has been a huge "meh"
- Turnover placement that is, by charts, oddly similar to the turnover markers, coverages and timings on the field from every other stop Baker has had along the way. (downfield, at/inside the numbers. Outside numbers at 10-15 yards)
- Two additional coaching staffs who experienced the same struggles in their evaluations. Tossing out the high and low results to find our median... McVay opting to not keep Baker as a longer-term solution should be rather telling.
- Baker playing almost to a tee, the same way in Tampa that he did Cleveland. If you reduce his attempts or increase them, he has responded proportionally. Which means he flirts with the line of a top-15 QB in the right situation, and just outside the top 20 in a less favorable one.
You should be concerned ....
- Why you ever thought you'd be able to say something like that, to me, and not have it deconstructed to more accurately reflect what reality on the field really is.
You put your passion into music.
I put mine into football.
So again you don't like Cal I get it; just don't read his shit if you can't control your anger or block him or whatever you decide to do.
He's been blocked, I might uncover him on occasion in threads about the draft because he does contribute on off-chance, which is nice. Beyond that, I'm sure I'd have seen him chime in by now.
I know you don't like me so you just stay out of my way fine. Disappointing but fine.
WSS
Sorry to disappoint.
Interesting thought process. Given that Stefanski and the Browns have/had...
- The same amount of playoff wins with Baker as the starting QB as Tampa.
- The same amount of playoff wins despite Tampa having, as Cal put it, much better receivers.
You should consider...
- Bakers numbers, in just about every metric save for INT %, are only marginally better in Tampa with a 17 game season then what they were in the Cleveland 2020 season. That's extrapolating that 2020 pace into a 17 game season and vice versa, the 2023 season into a 16 game grind. With it, Baker himself improved as a QB, by only the smallest of margins. That includes having one of the very best X, 50/50 outside receivers in the NFL the last 10 years.
- Metrics marginally better although Baker is now on a team that went from being 4th in run percentage, to a team that is 19th. He's being allowed to throw more... But the increase has been a huge "meh"
- Turnover placement that is, by charts, oddly similar to the turnover markers, coverages and timings on the field from every other stop Baker has had along the way. (downfield, at/inside the numbers. Outside numbers at 10-15 yards)
- Two additional coaching staffs who experienced the same struggles in their evaluations. Tossing out the high and low results to find our median... McVay opting to not keep Baker as a longer-term solution should be rather telling.
- Baker playing almost to a tee, the same way in Tampa that he did Cleveland. If you reduce his attempts or increase them, he has responded proportionally. Which means he flirts with the line of a top-15 QB in the right situation, and just outside the top 20 in a less favorable one.
You should be concerned ....
- Why you ever thought you'd be able to say something like that, to me, and not have it deconstructed to more accurately reflect what reality on the field really is.
You put your passion into music.
I put mine into football.
He's been blocked, I might uncover him on occasion in threads about the draft because he does contribute on off-chance, which is nice. Beyond that, I'm sure I'd have seen him chime in by now.
Sorry to disappoint.
Just for the record I'm not really responding to you but the guys that have embarked on the Jihad against Mayfield because they don't like Cal. Stupid shit like equating a consensual pecadillo in a parking lot with 22 counts of sexual imposition. By the way I know you're brilliant with stats but I bet if I listed my 5 or 10 favorite players ever they wouldn't be the 5 or 10 highest in statistics. If they are for you buy yourself another couple dozen jerseys and change them everyday. So how come we don't do that? And how come we rooted for Balboa over Creed?
As far as my passion for music I love the stuff I love regardless of the stats. I can respect vocalists and or musicians that can do magic tricks but that's really not what moves me about the music. And if I have a hard time understanding how some guys like what they like over on Barbershop I don't try to tell them they're wrong.
But at the end of the day I don't think you are sorry to disappoint but I wish you were. You're a smart guy. Unlike some of the other people that are just assholes. ?
WSS
www.westsidesteve.com www.myspace.com/westsidestevemusic www.cdbaby.com/artist/westsidestevesimmons
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