Jameis Winston is a Brown
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Come on Flugs, this isn't that complicated.
The Browns front office isn't bringing in a backup that is going to automatically be more popular than Watson. No one really cares about Winston, or will be dying to see him play.
But Flacco? We saw how popular that run was with Browns fans and him.
Justin Fields? The ex-Ohio State QB in a region that is incredibly pro-Buckeye?
Winston was brought in because Watson likes him AND he's not much of a threat of the fan base clamoring for him.
And I'm confused, why exactly are we forced to use a draft pick on a QB now?
So Watson likes Winston you say? For what reason do you suppose that is? Probably because Watson can now enjoy company with another pervert and allow fans someone else to boo.
And it doesn't appear Winston wants to come here to sit on the bench.
Jameis Winston has already made his intentions clear to new teammate Deshaun Watson (msn.com)
Jameis Winston has already made his intentions clear to new teammate Deshaun Watson (msn.com)
headline is intentionally misleading...
The full quote.
"Having the opportunity to work with Deshaun (Watson) and help him be the best he can possibly be, is my main mission," he said via Anderson. "Now, if Deshaun has to heal up for whatever reason, and I have to take a few games off of him, I’m going to be ready to do that."
Winston understands not only why he will be in Cleveland, but where he is in the pecking order and his primary responsibility. Like any competitor, he *wants* to be the man and there's absolutely nothing wrong with that mentality. Helps to drive healthy competition. By all accounts, the dude has come a long way since FSU and the words from the players who have shared the same locker room echo a very positive sentiment.
Of course, like Hollywood, we have to create non-existent dramatic flair where there is none.
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Jameis Winston has already made his intentions clear to new teammate Deshaun Watson (msn.com)
headline is intentionally misleading...
The full quote.
"Having the opportunity to work with Deshaun (Watson) and help him be the best he can possibly be, is my main mission," he said via Anderson. "Now, if Deshaun has to heal up for whatever reason, and I have to take a few games off of him, I’m going to be ready to do that."
Winston understands not only why he will be in Cleveland, but where he is in the pecking order and his primary responsibility. Like any competitor, he *wants* to be the man and there's absolutely nothing wrong with that mentality. Helps to drive healthy competition. By all accounts, the dude has come a long way since FSU and the words from the players who have shared the same locker room echo a very positive sentiment.
Of course, like Hollywood, we have to create non-existent dramatic flair where there is none.
headline is intentionally misleading...
The full quote.
"Having the opportunity to work with Deshaun (Watson) and help him be the best he can possibly be, is my main mission," he said via Anderson. "Now, if Deshaun has to heal up for whatever reason, and I have to take a few games off of him, I’m going to be ready to do that."
Winston understands not only why he will be in Cleveland, but where he is in the pecking order and his primary responsibility. Like any competitor, he *wants* to be the man and there's absolutely nothing wrong with that mentality. Helps to drive healthy competition. By all accounts, the dude has come a long way since FSU and the words from the players who have shared the same locker room echo a very positive sentiment.
Of course, like Hollywood, we have to create non-existent dramatic flair where there is none.
I don't have the football knowledge that you have but what I've seen from Huntley, I think he can beat out both Winston and DTR for the backup role. I would also say that DTR is far from a finished product and he did make some significant strides during the regular season. Would you agree to both of those?
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The guy broke his shoulder.
You might be very well correct about the first part. Shoulder injuries are tricky.
I didn't mean to come off that I think his shoulder injury isn't a big issue, I just meant that even if his shoulder fully heals that he would be inclined to take games off for minor injures. Bringing in Huntley is certainly a red flag for me that something is going on with Watson. Maybe future legal problems like someone mentioned or concerns about his rehab. Either way, Huntley was good enough to back up Lamar Jackson, he's good enough to back up Watson. I don't understand bringing him in if you don't want QB's looking over their shoulder (no pun intended).
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headline is intentionally misleading...
The full quote.
"Having the opportunity to work with Deshaun (Watson) and help him be the best he can possibly be, is my main mission," he said via Anderson. "Now, if Deshaun has to heal up for whatever reason, and I have to take a few games off of him, I’m going to be ready to do that."
Winston understands not only why he will be in Cleveland, but where he is in the pecking order and his primary responsibility. Like any competitor, he *wants* to be the man and there's absolutely nothing wrong with that mentality. Helps to drive healthy competition. By all accounts, the dude has come a long way since FSU and the words from the players who have shared the same locker room echo a very positive sentiment.
Of course, like Hollywood, we have to create non-existent dramatic flair where there is none.
I don't have the football knowledge that you have but what I've seen from Huntley, I think he can beat out both Winston and DTR for the backup role. I would also say that DTR is far from a finished product and he did make some significant strides during the regular season. Would you agree to both of those?
I don't have the football knowledge that you have but what I've seen from Huntley, I think he can beat out both Winston and DTR for the backup role. I would also say that DTR is far from a finished product and he did make some significant strides during the regular season. Would you agree to both of those?
I"m not tia, but I do play him on TV, and I would say that he definitely could beat out DTR, and while I think Winston would beat him out, its not out of the realm of possibility. I think Winston's ceiling is higher than Huntley's, even with his turnover deficiencies. (And to be honest, Flacco has some of the same turnover propensities)
At the end of the day, DTR was a 5th round pick. He's a good kid, but could be very expendable.
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So Watson likes Winston you say? For what reason do you suppose that is? Probably because Watson can now enjoy company with another pervert and allow fans someone else to boo.
And it doesn't appear Winston wants to come here to sit on the bench.
Jameis Winston has already made his intentions clear to new teammate Deshaun Watson (msn.com)
I suppose that could be true.
It's possibly similar to how all the pussies congregate over on the Poliboard.
Birds of a feather, I guess.
I suppose that could be true.
It's possibly similar to how all the pussies congregate over on the Poliboard.
Birds of a feather, I guess.
Yeah you guess.
Ya see there, try to have a legit conversation and this is what ya get.
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So Watson likes Winston you say? For what reason do you suppose that is? Probably because Watson can now enjoy company with another pervert and allow fans someone else to boo.
And it doesn't appear Winston wants to come here to sit on the bench.
Jameis Winston has already made his intentions clear to new teammate Deshaun Watson (msn.com)
Winston thinks he’s a starter in the NFL? ??
That ship has sailed.
Winston thinks he’s a starter in the NFL? ??
That ship has sailed.
Well Winston would probably tell you that he wasn't on it.
But then again, Tia pointed out that the article was misleading.
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Winston thinks he’s a starter in the NFL? ??
That ship has sailed.
Well Winston would probably tell you that he wasn't on it.
But then again, Tia pointed out that the article was misleading.
But then again, Tia pointed out that the article was misleading.
It’s silly season and there’s a ton of clickbait out there this time of year.
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Stop sipping your tea for a second and remind us all why Watson didn't finish the season last year. There is THAT! Anything less than former 1st round QB Joe Flacco was, well.... PJ Walker right?
What's next? Oh yeah, we should remember the play Watson got injured on and how it happened. Our blind side tackle Wills missed a block. Gee, why would one be more concerned about a QB controversy than a backup QB being capable of doing well enough to keep this team winning the next time Wills gets Watson hurt? You can worry about the feelings of a QB that has only started 12 games in 2 years. I want to be assured we're not overpaying a turnover machine to back up this type of QB. Fields only costs his new team a 6th round pick (and possibly a 4th if he plays 51% of the snaps).
Any guy that carelessly throws 30 INTs in a season like Jameis did the year before Brady - keeps his team from making the playoffs. They HATED Jameis Winston in Tampa any time I listened to local sports radio here. 1 year later that non-playoff team won a Super Bowl. I don't remember ever posting that I wanted the Browns to bring an Ohio State QB here until a division rival landed a 1st round (11th overall) QB for a 6th round pick. I posted this a week or 2 before it happened. Considering our cap situation - yes, I'll go on record saying Fields would have been a much better bang for the buck than Crablegs.
Anyone in here knows the Ohio State fanbase hasn't been in here every year wanting the Browns to draft Ohio State QBs. That was ridiculous by you. We didn't even do that for CJ Stroud or Fields the years they were drafted in the 1st round. Crablegs is gonna cost about about 6-7 million $ while Fields only costs Pittsburgh 3.2 million $ as a former 11th overall pick. If my gut here ends up being wrong about this I'll deserve any and all ball busting back. But if Wills misses another block on the blind side (which is more a question of when than if) and Watson gets planted on the right shoulder again - you're more interested in not having a QB controversy than winning. Got it! The NY Jets didn't have any QB controversy in 2023 right? I'm sure that made every guy on their defense extremely happy they had a losing record to show for their efforts.
Yeah…I’m not sure what Berry sees in Wills to keep him on the roster.
Yeah…I’m not sure what Berry sees in Wills to keep him on the roster.
I hear ya CD! To be honest, I don't think putting him back to the RT position he played at Bama would make him any more efficient. He's definitely not what we want facing TJ Watt. I will say this - I liked that he let Berry defer a nice chunk of million$ to a later date so we could sign people.
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
I still don't know what to make of this signing of Winston. They just brought in Tyler Huntley who was a pro bowler and filled in admirably for Lamar Jackson, and is all but 25 or 26 years old, and I think he is a clear upgrade over Winston.
So if they were going for the "we don't want people chanting for the other guy if Watson starts stinking up the place", I don't see this as a move that prevents that. Plus, don't we still have DTR?
I don't get it either, unless they aren't sold on DTR.
We fans can only speculate. It's obvious that 4 QBs won't be rostered.
I don't get it either, unless they aren't sold on DTR.
We fans can only speculate. It's obvious that 4 QBs won't be rostered.
I agree. There was speculation that a few teams wanted to trade for DTR. I think we will be willing to trade him at some point before the season starts.
Or...this is to cover the bases if DTR hasn't improved. If he has...who knows?
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Yeah…I’m not sure what Berry sees in Wills to keep him on the roster.
I hear ya CD! To be honest, I don't think putting him back to the RT position he played at Bama would make him any more efficient. He's definitely not what we want facing TJ Watt. I will say this - I liked that he let Berry defer a nice chunk of million$ to a later date so we could sign people.
I hear ya CD! To be honest, I don't think putting him back to the RT position he played at Bama would make him any more efficient. He's definitely not what we want facing TJ Watt. I will say this - I liked that he let Berry defer a nice chunk of million$ to a later date so we could sign people.
Most people have a tough time with TJ.
I would like to see...at least try to put Jones on the left side and Wills on the right. I saw or read somewhere that Wills is left handed. When he is beat, it is mostly to the inside. Possibly having his dominate hand on the inside if playing RT will help him.
Just seems like an obvious try.
As is said about LT's, if it doesn't work there, try in on the right side. If it doesn't work there, put him at guard. I'd try all the options before I just let him walk.
As the Stones sang:
You can't always get what you want
But if you try sometime, you'll find
You get what you need -
I hear ya CD! To be honest, I don't think putting him back to the RT position he played at Bama would make him any more efficient. He's definitely not what we want facing TJ Watt. I will say this - I liked that he let Berry defer a nice chunk of million$ to a later date so we could sign people.
Most people have a tough time with TJ.
I would like to see...at least try to put Jones on the left side and Wills on the right. I saw or read somewhere that Wills is left handed. When he is beat, it is mostly to the inside. Possibly having his dominate hand on the inside if playing RT will help him.
Just seems like an obvious try.
As is said about LT's, if it doesn't work there, try in on the right side. If it doesn't work there, put him at guard. I'd try all the options before I just let him walk.
As the Stones sang:
You can't always get what you want
But if you try sometime, you'll find
You get what you needMost people have a tough time with TJ.
I would like to see...at least try to put Jones on the left side and Wills on the right. I saw or read somewhere that Wills is left handed. When he is beat, it is mostly to the inside. Possibly having his dominate hand on the inside if playing RT will help him.
Just seems like an obvious try.
As is said about LT's, if it doesn't work there, try in on the right side. If it doesn't work there, put him at guard. I'd try all the options before I just let him walk.
As the Stones sang:
You can't always get what you want
But if you try sometime, you'll find
You get what you needYeah, I like the thinking about trying Jones at LT we've had some threads and more and more of us are starting to like giving this a shot at least. We'll see if the new OL Coach agrees with us. We still have have an extremely well paid, oft injured RT Jack Conklin coming off injury that could compete with others inclusive of Wills for the RT job. All 3 guys (Jones, Wills and Conklin) are coming off season ending injuries in 2023. It'll be interesting to see what happens. Like you said, you don't know without trying.
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
headline is intentionally misleading...
The full quote.
"Having the opportunity to work with Deshaun (Watson) and help him be the best he can possibly be, is my main mission," he said via Anderson. "Now, if Deshaun has to heal up for whatever reason, and I have to take a few games off of him, I’m going to be ready to do that."
Winston understands not only why he will be in Cleveland, but where he is in the pecking order and his primary responsibility. Like any competitor, he *wants* to be the man and there's absolutely nothing wrong with that mentality. Helps to drive healthy competition. By all accounts, the dude has come a long way since FSU and the words from the players who have shared the same locker room echo a very positive sentiment.
Of course, like Hollywood, we have to create non-existent dramatic flair where there is none.
I don't have the football knowledge that you have but what I've seen from Huntley, I think he can beat out both Winston and DTR for the backup role. I would also say that DTR is far from a finished product and he did make some significant strides during the regular season. Would you agree to both of those?
I don't have the football knowledge that you have but what I've seen from Huntley, I think he can beat out both Winston and DTR for the backup role. I would also say that DTR is far from a finished product and he did make some significant strides during the regular season. Would you agree to both of those?
DTR, yes. He can sit on the practice squad, no harm, no foul. I also agree he did make positive strides. Then again, when the first outing is so disastrous, the only way to go is up.
It will depend on how many turnovers Winston and Huntley have in camp. If either cleans it up, that's what it'll come down to getting that 2nd spot.
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Most people have a tough time with TJ.
I would like to see...at least try to put Jones on the left side and Wills on the right. I saw or read somewhere that Wills is left handed. When he is beat, it is mostly to the inside. Possibly having his dominate hand on the inside if playing RT will help him.
Just seems like an obvious try.
As is said about LT's, if it doesn't work there, try in on the right side. If it doesn't work there, put him at guard. I'd try all the options before I just let him walk.
As the Stones sang:
You can't always get what you want
But if you try sometime, you'll find
You get what you needYeah, I like the thinking about trying Jones at LT we've had some threads and more and more of us are starting to like giving this a shot at least. We'll see if the new OL Coach agrees with us. We still have have an extremely well paid, oft injured RT Jack Conklin coming off injury that could compete with others inclusive of Wills for the RT job. All 3 guys (Jones, Wills and Conklin) are coming off season ending injuries in 2023. It'll be interesting to see what happens. Like you said, you don't know without trying.
Yeah, I like the thinking about trying Jones at LT we've had some threads and more and more of us are starting to like giving this a shot at least. We'll see if the new OL Coach agrees with us. We still have have an extremely well paid, oft injured RT Jack Conklin coming off injury that could compete with others inclusive of Wills for the RT job. All 3 guys (Jones, Wills and Conklin) are coming off season ending injuries in 2023. It'll be interesting to see what happens. Like you said, you don't know without trying.
A lesser athlete in Orlando Brown in the same frame as Jones pulled it off as a LT. Another guy a lot people said couldn't play LT (Tristan Wirfs) moved from RT to LT and exceeded a lot of expectations. Neither guy got there feeling entitled - they put the work in. This is what I'd like to see from Wills - but still remains to be seen unfortunately. Things showing up on film show me he hasn't put the work in all the way down to his inconsistency at getting into a good stance at the LOS to stopping his effort after initial contact on running plays. FWIW...
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Interesting thought process. Given that Stefanski and the Browns have/had...
- The same amount of playoff wins with Baker as the starting QB as Tampa.
- The same amount of playoff wins despite Tampa having, as Cal put it, much better receivers.
You should consider...
- Bakers numbers, in just about every metric save for INT %, are only marginally better in Tampa with a 17 game season then what they were in the Cleveland 2020 season. That's extrapolating that 2020 pace into a 17 game season and vice versa, the 2023 season into a 16 game grind. With it, Baker himself improved as a QB, by only the smallest of margins. That includes having one of the very best X, 50/50 outside receivers in the NFL the last 10 years.
- Metrics marginally better although Baker is now on a team that went from being 4th in run percentage, to a team that is 19th. He's being allowed to throw more... But the increase has been a huge "meh"
- Turnover placement that is, by charts, oddly similar to the turnover markers, coverages and timings on the field from every other stop Baker has had along the way. (downfield, at/inside the numbers. Outside numbers at 10-15 yards)
- Two additional coaching staffs who experienced the same struggles in their evaluations. Tossing out the high and low results to find our median... McVay opting to not keep Baker as a longer-term solution should be rather telling.
- Baker playing almost to a tee, the same way in Tampa that he did Cleveland. If you reduce his attempts or increase them, he has responded proportionally. Which means he flirts with the line of a top-15 QB in the right situation, and just outside the top 20 in a less favorable one.
You should be concerned ....
- Why you ever thought you'd be able to say something like that, to me, and not have it deconstructed to more accurately reflect what reality on the field really is.
You put your passion into music.
I put mine into football.
He's been blocked, I might uncover him on occasion in threads about the draft because he does contribute on off-chance, which is nice. Beyond that, I'm sure I'd have seen him chime in by now.
Sorry to disappoint.
Just for the record I'm not really responding to you but the guys that have embarked on the Jihad against Mayfield because they don't like Cal. Stupid shit like equating a consensual pecadillo in a parking lot with 22 counts of sexual imposition. By the way I know you're brilliant with stats but I bet if I listed my 5 or 10 favorite players ever they wouldn't be the 5 or 10 highest in statistics. If they are for you buy yourself another couple dozen jerseys and change them everyday. So how come we don't do that? And how come we rooted for Balboa over Creed?
As far as my passion for music I love the stuff I love regardless of the stats. I can respect vocalists and or musicians that can do magic tricks but that's really not what moves me about the music. And if I have a hard time understanding how some guys like what they like over on Barbershop I don't try to tell them they're wrong.
But at the end of the day I don't think you are sorry to disappoint but I wish you were. You're a smart guy. Unlike some of the other people that are just assholes. ?
WSS
Just for the record I'm not really responding to you but the guys that have embarked on the Jihad against Mayfield because they don't like Cal. Stupid shit like equating a consensual pecadillo in a parking lot with 22 counts of sexual imposition. By the way I know you're brilliant with stats but I bet if I listed my 5 or 10 favorite players ever they wouldn't be the 5 or 10 highest in statistics. If they are for you buy yourself another couple dozen jerseys and change them everyday. So how come we don't do that? And how come we rooted for Balboa over Creed?
As far as my passion for music I love the stuff I love regardless of the stats. I can respect vocalists and or musicians that can do magic tricks but that's really not what moves me about the music. And if I have a hard time understanding how some guys like what they like over on Barbershop I don't try to tell them they're wrong.
But at the end of the day I don't think you are sorry to disappoint but I wish you were. You're a smart guy. Unlike some of the other people that are just assholes. ?
WSS
The metrics and numbers support what Baker has put on film, and the film supports the numbers.
I've done both and shown that work on this board. The nice part about other things being so subjective, is that football is results driven in a much more clear manner.
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I remember Bradshaw talking about how he nearly got booed out of Pittsburgh, he said he was terrible.
I suppose it's harder for some players, especially qbs, to adapt and grow the rest of the way. I don't see growing in watson, don't know about winston.
Bradshaw even said he might never have made it to the NFL if Phil Robertson hadn't quit football to duck hunt and live off the land...
Even Peyton Manning had growing to do:
"Peyton Manning had a passer rating of 71.2 with 3,739 yards, 26 touchdowns and 28 interceptions in 16 games in his rookie season in 1998."
I just see watson as not having a firm foundation to grow on. Don't know about Winston.
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Grading the Jameis Winston acquisition: Browns get A+ for signing top backup QB
Sweet! The Browns continue to dominate the offseason once again.
^ Dammit, forgot the pink font.
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Grading the Jameis Winston acquisition: Browns get A+ for signing top backup QB
Sweet! The Browns continue to dominate the offseason once again.
^ Dammit, forgot the pink font.
Sweet! The Browns continue to dominate the offseason once again.
^ Dammit, forgot the pink font.
Actually the Browns went 11-6 last season.
If you were anything but a troll nowadays, you might have actually noticed and enjoyed it.
But hey, keep making the same pink font joke for the millionth time.
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