Staying Put (and Outdoors) or Dome Sweet Dome in the 'Burbs?
-
It'll be built at the old Ford Plant site in Brookpark, right next to the Airport. They already purchased the land.
It'll be built at the old Ford Plant site in Brookpark, right next to the Airport. They already purchased the land.
I didn't realize that the purchase was finalized. It's not a bad thing that the Browns owner has more ties to the area.
-
I wish we'd build the stadium near where they're building the new Cleveland Clinic / Cavs training and health center.
Down in the Flats?
I couldn't even imagine how they would shoehorn a 65,000+ seat dome down there, unless there's an area I'm not thinking of?
Down in the Flats?
I couldn't even imagine how they would shoehorn a 65,000+ seat dome down there, unless there's an area I'm not thinking of?
No, not the flats. Just south of downtown. Below rocker mortgage and progressive
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
Down in the Flats?
I couldn't even imagine how they would shoehorn a 65,000+ seat dome down there, unless there's an area I'm not thinking of?
No, not the flats. Just south of downtown. Below rocker mortgage and progressive
No, not the flats. Just south of downtown. Below rocker mortgage and progressive
Oh, where allegedly the Browns were offered a spot during the Gateway time period.
There still was talk of a stadium going there, where the huge post office building is.
-
No, not the flats. Just south of downtown. Below rocker mortgage and progressive
Oh, where allegedly the Browns were offered a spot during the Gateway time period.
There still was talk of a stadium going there, where the huge post office building is.
Oh, where allegedly the Browns were offered a spot during the Gateway time period.
There still was talk of a stadium going there, where the huge post office building is.
I'd like it to still be "downtown" just not on the lake
But, if it is going in the burbz, there are probably some properties over there worth snatching up and sitting on
-
Apparently Art did the same thing prior to attempt to negotiate with the city of Cleveland...
-
The only logical answer is to go dome in Brookpark.
There are sentimental reasons to stay downtown, but sentimental reason usually makes for poor business decisions. There are multiple reasons why the move should be made over staying put and going with the band-aide approach.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn. -
Down in the Flats?
I couldn't even imagine how they would shoehorn a 65,000+ seat dome down there, unless there's an area I'm not thinking of?
No, not the flats. Just south of downtown. Below rocker mortgage and progressive
No, not the flats. Just south of downtown. Below rocker mortgage and progressive
I thought of that property, but there are still ingress and egress issues. It also doesn't have enough room to do some of the things Haslam wants.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn. -
No, not the flats. Just south of downtown. Below rocker mortgage and progressive
I thought of that property, but there are still ingress and egress issues. It also doesn't have enough room to do some of the things Haslam wants.
I thought of that property, but there are still ingress and egress issues. It also doesn't have enough room to do some of the things Haslam wants.
They should be looking at the property where the old army barracks are near Bratenahl over by MLK and the freeway... Haslam is an idiot! There is a lot of acerage there for development... They could put hotels.. A convention center and a new stadium there... These numb fucks are dropping the ball hard!
-
No, not the flats. Just south of downtown. Below rocker mortgage and progressive
I thought of that property, but there are still ingress and egress issues. It also doesn't have enough room to do some of the things Haslam wants.
I thought of that property, but there are still ingress and egress issues. It also doesn't have enough room to do some of the things Haslam wants.
He's talking about just south of Progressive Field, south of the highway, right?
I mean, if it works going north a block or so to see a Guardians game, why wouldn't it work going a block or so south to see a Browns game?
-
The only logical answer is to go dome in Brookpark.
There are sentimental reasons to stay downtown, but sentimental reason usually makes for poor business decisions. There are multiple reasons why the move should be made over staying put and going with the band-aide approach.
The only logical answer is to go dome in Brookpark.
There are sentimental reasons to stay downtown, but sentimental reason usually makes for poor business decisions. There are multiple reasons why the move should be made over staying put and going with the band-aide approach.
A year or so ago when this whole stadium talk started, the Haslams came up with a report that mentioned:
1. Cleveland Browns Stadium is a mediocre stadium that was built quickly and kind of poorly
2. A stadium on the lake takes a pounding from Mother Nature, hence is a maintenance nightmare.
Regardless of the flip-flopping they have had on this topic, and at times seem fine with just renovating the existing stadium, I've never thought they really want this. In fact, I think it would be their absolute last resort.
I just can't see where the money is coming from to build a 2+ billion dollar dome.
I'd much rather see them stay downtown, but off the lakefront. I wonder how many acres the Wolstein Arena sits on... Cleveland State has been talking about bulldozing it and building a much smaller arena a few blocks north. Perhaps the Browns could look at putting a stadium there?
-
There's a big chunk of land available in northern Summit County near Richfield. But I believe that's been tried before.
-
There's a big chunk of land available in northern Summit County near Richfield. But I believe that's been tried before.
There's a big chunk of land available in northern Summit County near Richfield. But I believe that's been tried before.
Honestly, I think that spot would work better for the Browns than the Cavs because you are only going 8 or 9 times a year.
Then again, how was getting in/out of the Coliseum? There would be three times as many people going to Browns games.
-
There's a big chunk of land available in northern Summit County near Richfield. But I believe that's been tried before.
Honestly, I think that spot would work better for the Browns than the Cavs because you are only going 8 or 9 times a year.
Then again, how was getting in/out of the Coliseum? There would be three times as many people going to Browns games.
Honestly, I think that spot would work better for the Browns than the Cavs because you are only going 8 or 9 times a year.
Then again, how was getting in/out of the Coliseum? There would be three times as many people going to Browns games.
Good point on the number of games. It's one thing to hold season tickets to 8-9 gabe v 42 or whatever it is for basketball.
As for infrastructure, everybody knows how that worked before when Maletti moved out there. The state and county would have to step up and improve things. It's not like it couldn't be done.
But, I do think the Haslams want to be closer to city center. Brookpark is where it is going. It's the only spot that checks all the boxes. Having a option on the property requires earnest money I have no idea what that may have entailed, but it is probably in the hundreds of thousands of dollars. I doubt he would have put that up and risked to lose if he wasn't pretty damn sure he was going to purchase the property and pull the plug on the new stadium station.
-
Honestly, I think that spot would work better for the Browns than the Cavs because you are only going 8 or 9 times a year.
Then again, how was getting in/out of the Coliseum? There would be three times as many people going to Browns games.
Good point on the number of games. It's one thing to hold season tickets to 8-9 gabe v 42 or whatever it is for basketball.
As for infrastructure, everybody knows how that worked before when Maletti moved out there. The state and county would have to step up and improve things. It's not like it couldn't be done.
But, I do think the Haslams want to be closer to city center. Brookpark is where it is going. It's the only spot that checks all the boxes. Having a option on the property requires earnest money I have no idea what that may have entailed, but it is probably in the hundreds of thousands of dollars. I doubt he would have put that up and risked to lose if he wasn't pretty damn sure he was going to purchase the property and pull the plug on the new stadium station.
Good point on the number of games. It's one thing to hold season tickets to 8-9 gabe v 42 or whatever it is for basketball.
As for infrastructure, everybody knows how that worked before when Maletti moved out there. The state and county would have to step up and improve things. It's not like it couldn't be done.
But, I do think the Haslams want to be closer to city center. Brookpark is where it is going. It's the only spot that checks all the boxes. Having a option on the property requires earnest money I have no idea what that may have entailed, but it is probably in the hundreds of thousands of dollars. I doubt he would have put that up and risked to lose if he wasn't pretty damn sure he was going to purchase the property and pull the plug on the new stadium station.
Kind of an interesting parallel is what is going on with the Bears...
They bought a ton of acres in the suburbs (a former horse track?) and it looked like they were all set to move out of the city limits of Chicago, only to apparently scrap that idea and are now talking with Chicago about a new lakefront dome stadium.
-
Good point on the number of games. It's one thing to hold season tickets to 8-9 gabe v 42 or whatever it is for basketball.
As for infrastructure, everybody knows how that worked before when Maletti moved out there. The state and county would have to step up and improve things. It's not like it couldn't be done.
But, I do think the Haslams want to be closer to city center. Brookpark is where it is going. It's the only spot that checks all the boxes. Having a option on the property requires earnest money I have no idea what that may have entailed, but it is probably in the hundreds of thousands of dollars. I doubt he would have put that up and risked to lose if he wasn't pretty damn sure he was going to purchase the property and pull the plug on the new stadium station.
Kind of an interesting parallel is what is going on with the Bears...
They bought a ton of acres in the suburbs (a former horse track?) and it looked like they were all set to move out of the city limits of Chicago, only to apparently scrap that idea and are now talking with Chicago about a new lakefront dome stadium.
Kind of an interesting parallel is what is going on with the Bears...
They bought a ton of acres in the suburbs (a former horse track?) and it looked like they were all set to move out of the city limits of Chicago, only to apparently scrap that idea and are now talking with Chicago about a new lakefront dome stadium.
The difference is Chicago looks to have ample space on their lakefront. Just a quick look at google maps show several "parks" on the south side that don't look very parkish to me. All look more like wasteland that look like they were once industrial sites. Maybe the term park is for proposed industrial park? Some show climbing walls. Nothing you couldn't erase. All the mentioned are inside the city limits.
I think space is the problem the city has. Without reclamation of private property, which it could do, be it very unpopular, finding a parcel large enough to fit what the Haslams want will be very challenging.
-
Kind of an interesting parallel is what is going on with the Bears...
They bought a ton of acres in the suburbs (a former horse track?) and it looked like they were all set to move out of the city limits of Chicago, only to apparently scrap that idea and are now talking with Chicago about a new lakefront dome stadium.
The difference is Chicago looks to have ample space on their lakefront. Just a quick look at google maps show several "parks" on the south side that don't look very parkish to me. All look more like wasteland that look like they were once industrial sites. Maybe the term park is for proposed industrial park? Some show climbing walls. Nothing you couldn't erase. All the mentioned are inside the city limits.
I think space is the problem the city has. Without reclamation of private property, which it could do, be it very unpopular, finding a parcel large enough to fit what the Haslams want will be very challenging.
The difference is Chicago looks to have ample space on their lakefront. Just a quick look at google maps show several "parks" on the south side that don't look very parkish to me. All look more like wasteland that look like they were once industrial sites. Maybe the term park is for proposed industrial park? Some show climbing walls. Nothing you couldn't erase. All the mentioned are inside the city limits.
I think space is the problem the city has. Without reclamation of private property, which it could do, be it very unpopular, finding a parcel large enough to fit what the Haslams want will be very challenging.
My point is the Bears bought a ton of land outside of the city proper, like the Haslams did, only to decide that the grass wasn't greener outside of Chicago.
The reason the Haslams want to get outside of downtown is that in Brookpark they could own EVERYTHING that makes money via the Browns GameDay experience. You want to park? Park at a Haslam-owned parking lot. Want to eat? Eat at a Haslam-owned restaurant, etc...
-
Bob Kraft built up a nice place in Patriot Place. But it's 45 minutes outside of Boston (and Providence, where I'm at, is 45 min in the other direction). Much of it's buildup was done during Tom Brady's career, the Heyday. Boston and it's surroundings (including Providence) has always belonged to baseball and the beloved Red Sox. I've told people here that I want to see how well Patriot Place does when/if the Patriots become 'meh' again. - When I was young, my friends & I could decide on a Saturday night to go see the Patriots the next day. We'd drive up, buy tickets and sit where we wanted. IMO this is an important draft for the Patriots. They've got to fill the huge void that Tom Brady left.
-
The difference is Chicago looks to have ample space on their lakefront. Just a quick look at google maps show several "parks" on the south side that don't look very parkish to me. All look more like wasteland that look like they were once industrial sites. Maybe the term park is for proposed industrial park? Some show climbing walls. Nothing you couldn't erase. All the mentioned are inside the city limits.
I think space is the problem the city has. Without reclamation of private property, which it could do, be it very unpopular, finding a parcel large enough to fit what the Haslams want will be very challenging.
My point is the Bears bought a ton of land outside of the city proper, like the Haslams did, only to decide that the grass wasn't greener outside of Chicago.
The reason the Haslams want to get outside of downtown is that in Brookpark they could own EVERYTHING that makes money via the Browns GameDay experience. You want to park? Park at a Haslam-owned parking lot. Want to eat? Eat at a Haslam-owned restaurant, etc...
My point is the Bears bought a ton of land outside of the city proper, like the Haslams did, only to decide that the grass wasn't greener outside of Chicago.
The reason the Haslams want to get outside of downtown is that in Brookpark they could own EVERYTHING that makes money via the Browns GameDay experience. You want to park? Park at a Haslam-owned parking lot. Want to eat? Eat at a Haslam-owned restaurant, etc...
Like I said, they want the space, and Cleveland doesn't have it.
Just to clarify a point I see going around, at least as I see it. The parking, I mostly agree. Haslam would have that, more than likely. As for the hotels and restaurants, I doubt Haslam wants to get in to the restaurant or hotel business. He would land lease a parcel to say Marriott...or Marriott franchisee. They would actually run the business and build the buildings. Haslam wants to be in the land business. He will just rent the lots or spaces to various companies on say a 10-20 year lease.
At least that is how I would do it. Less headaches and liabilities. He would still control what type of business would be on location. I doubt he would approve plans to stick a 150 room Days Inn next to the stadium.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
Hello! It looks like you're interested in this conversation, but you don't have an account yet.
Getting fed up of having to scroll through the same posts each visit? When you register for an account, you'll always come back to exactly where you were before, and choose to be notified of new replies (either via email, or push notification). You'll also be able to save bookmarks and upvote posts to show your appreciation to other community members.
With your input, this post could be even better 💗
Register Login