Staying Put (and Outdoors) or Dome Sweet Dome in the 'Burbs?
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Like I said, they want the space, and Cleveland doesn't have it.
Just to clarify a point I see going around, at least as I see it. The parking, I mostly agree. Haslam would have that, more than likely. As for the hotels and restaurants, I doubt Haslam wants to get in to the restaurant or hotel business. He would land lease a parcel to say Marriott...or Marriott franchisee. They would actually run the business and build the buildings. Haslam wants to be in the land business. He will just rent the lots or spaces to various companies on say a 10-20 year lease.
At least that is how I would do it. Less headaches and liabilities. He would still control what type of business would be on location. I doubt he would approve plans to stick a 150 room Days Inn next to the stadium.
A city that used to be the sixth biggest in the U.S. that now has less than 400,000 residents has no where downtown they could build a football stadium?
Come on meow.
And yes, I didn't think Haslam would literally bus tables at a TGIFriday's next to the stadium or check people into a Motel 6.
A city that used to be the sixth biggest in the U.S. that now has less than 400,000 residents has no where downtown they could build a football stadium?
Come on meow.
And yes, I didn't think Haslam would literally bus tables at a TGIFriday's next to the stadium or check people into a Motel 6.
Ok....fair enough on the Haslam comment. I really wasn't aiming the comment like you really thought that.
As for space, I am talking open space. The city could evoke eminent domain laws, but then you would have to clear out blocks of building. Some in use, some not. Like I said earlier, it's not popular when the government starts kicking people and business out of their homes.
I wonder how many people who live in Cleveland actually go to games? My thinking is Haslam and company have studied that question and the results say the most fans come from the west and south.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn. -
Like I said, they want the space, and Cleveland doesn't have it.
Just to clarify a point I see going around, at least as I see it. The parking, I mostly agree. Haslam would have that, more than likely. As for the hotels and restaurants, I doubt Haslam wants to get in to the restaurant or hotel business. He would land lease a parcel to say Marriott...or Marriott franchisee. They would actually run the business and build the buildings. Haslam wants to be in the land business. He will just rent the lots or spaces to various companies on say a 10-20 year lease.
At least that is how I would do it. Less headaches and liabilities. He would still control what type of business would be on location. I doubt he would approve plans to stick a 150 room Days Inn next to the stadium.
good who care's ? just get it done
good who care's ? just get it done
Something is going to happen. People can bash Haslam, but he is a man of action. He isn't going to wait while the Cleveland City Council dicks around. The last time they dicked around long enough to help push the team to Baltimore.
The difference this time in Model isn't the owner who ran to the money. Haslam has the money to build the thing himself if it come to that.
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A city that used to be the sixth biggest in the U.S. that now has less than 400,000 residents has no where downtown they could build a football stadium?
Come on meow.
And yes, I didn't think Haslam would literally bus tables at a TGIFriday's next to the stadium or check people into a Motel 6.
Ok....fair enough on the Haslam comment. I really wasn't aiming the comment like you really thought that.
As for space, I am talking open space. The city could evoke eminent domain laws, but then you would have to clear out blocks of building. Some in use, some not. Like I said earlier, it's not popular when the government starts kicking people and business out of their homes.
I wonder how many people who live in Cleveland actually go to games? My thinking is Haslam and company have studied that question and the results say the most fans come from the west and south.
Ok....fair enough on the Haslam comment. I really wasn't aiming the comment like you really thought that.
As for space, I am talking open space. The city could evoke eminent domain laws, but then you would have to clear out blocks of building. Some in use, some not. Like I said earlier, it's not popular when the government starts kicking people and business out of their homes.
I wonder how many people who live in Cleveland actually go to games? My thinking is Haslam and company have studied that question and the results say the most fans come from the west and south.
I'm sure the majority of people who come to Browns games are from outside the city, there's less than 400,000 people in Cleveland proper, but over 2+ mill in the metro area.
I really, REALLY think the Haslams want a dome in Brookpark, so are they just trying to see if the city blows their doors off with a ton of money to stay on the lakefront? This should be a very interesting year, I'm sure by this time next year we will have a good idea where the Browns will be playing in the future.
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Ok....fair enough on the Haslam comment. I really wasn't aiming the comment like you really thought that.
As for space, I am talking open space. The city could evoke eminent domain laws, but then you would have to clear out blocks of building. Some in use, some not. Like I said earlier, it's not popular when the government starts kicking people and business out of their homes.
I wonder how many people who live in Cleveland actually go to games? My thinking is Haslam and company have studied that question and the results say the most fans come from the west and south.
I'm sure the majority of people who come to Browns games are from outside the city, there's less than 400,000 people in Cleveland proper, but over 2+ mill in the metro area.
I really, REALLY think the Haslams want a dome in Brookpark, so are they just trying to see if the city blows their doors off with a ton of money to stay on the lakefront? This should be a very interesting year, I'm sure by this time next year we will have a good idea where the Browns will be playing in the future.
I'm sure the majority of people who come to Browns games are from outside the city, there's less than 400,000 people in Cleveland proper, but over 2+ mill in the metro area.
I really, REALLY think the Haslams want a dome in Brookpark, so are they just trying to see if the city blows their doors off with a ton of money to stay on the lakefront? This should be a very interesting year, I'm sure by this time next year we will have a good idea where the Browns will be playing in the future.
I think it could be sooner than that. Building a dome takes over two years. I am thinking by July things will be settled and shovels in the ground by August.
Another factor to consider is a remodel on the lake to the extent required would require year-round construction. The team has no suitable place to play for a year or two. I don't think Columbus is a viable option, and forget about any stadium near Cleveland. The stadium in Canton probably can't even meet the needs of season ticket holders. My guess is the Browns season ticket holder number is around 40,000. Open ticket sales are fairly limited. Maybe 20-30,000 per game. Again, just a guess.
The Haslams don't want that, and the NFL doesn't want that.
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Hypothetically @ballpeen, lets say a spot in downtown could be found to build a dome...
Would you prefer it to stay somewhere downtown, or would you want it out in Brookpark?
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Hypothetically @ballpeen, lets say a spot in downtown could be found to build a dome...
Would you prefer it to stay somewhere downtown, or would you want it out in Brookpark?
Hypothetically @ballpeen, lets say a spot in downtown could be found to build a dome...
Would you prefer it to stay somewhere downtown, or would you want it out in Brookpark?
Six of one, half a dozen of the other. Both have positives and negatives.
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Anthony Walker is not the only one that tells his agent stuff like this. Build the dome.
Speaking to the Miami media, Walker shared the simple factor that he told his agent to focus on in free agency: Warmth!
“I stressed to my agent it was very, very important to get me out the cold. I was sick of it,” Walker said. “I hadn’t been home in a while. I was in the Midwest since I was 17 years old. It was about time I got some warm weather and when he said Miami and I was like let’s get it done.”
BEING A BROWNS FAN IS A TEST TO SEE HOW MUCH YOU CAN TAKE -
Only a vocal minority of fans think playing in the cold and snow is cool and some sort of an advantage. I don't think players like playing in crap weather.
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Only a vocal minority of fans think playing in the cold and snow is cool and some sort of an advantage. I don't think players like playing in crap weather.
Only a vocal minority of fans think playing in the cold and snow is cool and some sort of an advantage. I don't think players like playing in crap weather.
It definitely can be an advantage.
I think its been shown over the years that it hasn't been for the Browns, though.
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It definitely can be an advantage.
I think its been shown over the years that it hasn't been for the Browns, though.
I disagree. I don't see any advantage. At most it might be an equalizer. But as you said, it hasn't equalized a darn thing for us.
I am sure the city will screw this one up like they screwed it up in 95.
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It definitely can be an advantage.
I think its been shown over the years that it hasn't been for the Browns, though.
I disagree. I don't see any advantage. At most it might be an equalizer. But as you said, it hasn't equalized a darn thing for us.
I am sure the city will screw this one up like they screwed it up in 95.
I disagree. I don't see any advantage. At most it might be an equalizer. But as you said, it hasn't equalized a darn thing for us.
I am sure the city will screw this one up like they screwed it up in 95.
The city doesn't own the Browns, the Haslams do,
It's their private business, let them buy the land and pay for a stadium.
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I'm sure the majority of people who come to Browns games are from outside the city, there's less than 400,000 people in Cleveland proper, but over 2+ mill in the metro area.
I really, REALLY think the Haslams want a dome in Brookpark, so are they just trying to see if the city blows their doors off with a ton of money to stay on the lakefront? This should be a very interesting year, I'm sure by this time next year we will have a good idea where the Browns will be playing in the future.
I think it could be sooner than that. Building a dome takes over two years. I am thinking by July things will be settled and shovels in the ground by August.
Another factor to consider is a remodel on the lake to the extent required would require year-round construction. The team has no suitable place to play for a year or two. I don't think Columbus is a viable option, and forget about any stadium near Cleveland. The stadium in Canton probably can't even meet the needs of season ticket holders. My guess is the Browns season ticket holder number is around 40,000. Open ticket sales are fairly limited. Maybe 20-30,000 per game. Again, just a guess.
The Haslams don't want that, and the NFL doesn't want that.
I think it could be sooner than that. Building a dome takes over two years. I am thinking by July things will be settled and shovels in the ground by August.
Another factor to consider is a remodel on the lake to the extent required would require year-round construction. The team has no suitable place to play for a year or two. I don't think Columbus is a viable option, and forget about any stadium near Cleveland. The stadium in Canton probably can't even meet the needs of season ticket holders. My guess is the Browns season ticket holder number is around 40,000. Open ticket sales are fairly limited. Maybe 20-30,000 per game. Again, just a guess.
The Haslams don't want that, and the NFL doesn't want that.
There’s nothing in NEO large enough to accommodate the full array of Browns fans for a football game.
The closest would be Kent State’s Dix Stadium (seats 25k) or Akron U’s Infocision Stadium (seats 30k).
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I disagree. I don't see any advantage. At most it might be an equalizer. But as you said, it hasn't equalized a darn thing for us.
I am sure the city will screw this one up like they screwed it up in 95.
The city doesn't own the Browns, the Haslams do,
It's their private business, let them buy the land and pay for a stadium.
The city doesn't own the Browns, the Haslams do,
It's their private business, let them buy the land and pay for a stadium.
They will. Cleveland doesn't have the money. But, the state and country will chip in because they have some money.
Why do you seem so intent to keep the team in the city when the city seems intent on being half assed about things?
Sure, lets keep the team in a half ass stadium, spend a billion dollars, and in ten years have to build a domed stadium. Small thinkers.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn. -
The city doesn't own the Browns, the Haslams do,
It's their private business, let them buy the land and pay for a stadium.
They will. Cleveland doesn't have the money. But, the state and country will chip in because they have some money.
Why do you seem so intent to keep the team in the city when the city seems intent on being half assed about things?
Sure, lets keep the team in a half ass stadium, spend a billion dollars, and in ten years have to build a domed stadium. Small thinkers.
They will. Cleveland doesn't have the money. But, the state and country will chip in because they have some money.
Why do you seem so intent to keep the team in the city when the city seems intent on being half assed about things?
Sure, lets keep the team in a half ass stadium, spend a billion dollars, and in ten years have to build a domed stadium. Small thinkers with a Wal-Mart mentality.
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The city doesn't own the Browns, the Haslams do,
It's their private business, let them buy the land and pay for a stadium.
They will. Cleveland doesn't have the money. But, the state and country will chip in because they have some money.
Why do you seem so intent to keep the team in the city when the city seems intent on being half assed about things?
Sure, lets keep the team in a half ass stadium, spend a billion dollars, and in ten years have to build a domed stadium. Small thinkers.
They will. Cleveland doesn't have the money. But, the state and country will chip in because they have some money.
Why do you seem so intent to keep the team in the city when the city seems intent on being half assed about things?
Sure, lets keep the team in a half ass stadium, spend a billion dollars, and in ten years have to build a domed stadium. Small thinkers.
I would prefer they stay downtown, but wouldn't be upset if they did the Brookpark thing.
And this is a private business. Interesting how all you free-market capitalism is king guys get all Bernie Sanders when it comes to these billionaires getting stadiums for their sports teams - stadiums that skyrocket the value of the teams they own.
The Haslams bought the Browns for $1 billion dollars, a team now valued at four times that amount. They had so much money from flipping their RICO-investigated truck stop business that they could buy the Columbus Crew AND buy a big chunk of a NBA team that competes with the Cavaliers.
Let THEM build the palace they want. Let THEM maintain the palace they want.
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Anthony Walker is not the only one that tells his agent stuff like this. Build the dome.
Speaking to the Miami media, Walker shared the simple factor that he told his agent to focus on in free agency: Warmth!
“I stressed to my agent it was very, very important to get me out the cold. I was sick of it,” Walker said. “I hadn’t been home in a while. I was in the Midwest since I was 17 years old. It was about time I got some warm weather and when he said Miami and I was like let’s get it done.”
Anthony Walker is not the only one that tells his agent stuff like this. Build the dome.
Speaking to the Miami media, Walker shared the simple factor that he told his agent to focus on in free agency: Warmth!
“I stressed to my agent it was very, very important to get me out the cold. I was sick of it,” Walker said. “I hadn’t been home in a while. I was in the Midwest since I was 17 years old. It was about time I got some warm weather and when he said Miami and I was like let’s get it done.”
Mediocre players should be more concerned about being better and more consistent than they should about a couple months of colder weather.
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They will. Cleveland doesn't have the money. But, the state and country will chip in because they have some money.
Why do you seem so intent to keep the team in the city when the city seems intent on being half assed about things?
Sure, lets keep the team in a half ass stadium, spend a billion dollars, and in ten years have to build a domed stadium. Small thinkers.
I would prefer they stay downtown, but wouldn't be upset if they did the Brookpark thing.
And this is a private business. Interesting how all you free-market capitalism is king guys get all Bernie Sanders when it comes to these billionaires getting stadiums for their sports teams - stadiums that skyrocket the value of the teams they own.
The Haslams bought the Browns for $1 billion dollars, a team now valued at four times that amount. They had so much money from flipping their RICO-investigated truck stop business that they could buy the Columbus Crew AND buy a big chunk of a NBA team that competes with the Cavaliers.
Let THEM build the palace they want. Let THEM maintain the palace they want.
I would prefer they stay downtown, but wouldn't be upset if they did the Brookpark thing.
And this is a private business. Interesting how all you free-market capitalism is king guys get all Bernie Sanders when it comes to these billionaires getting stadiums for their sports teams - stadiums that skyrocket the value of the teams they own.
The Haslams bought the Browns for $1 billion dollars, a team now valued at four times that amount. They had so much money from flipping their RICO-investigated truck stop business that they could buy the Columbus Crew AND buy a big chunk of a NBA team that competes with the Cavaliers.
Let THEM build the palace they want. Let THEM maintain the palace they want.
If it comes to that, I am sure they probably will. The rest of what you said sounds like sour grapes to me.
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I would prefer they stay downtown, but wouldn't be upset if they did the Brookpark thing.
And this is a private business. Interesting how all you free-market capitalism is king guys get all Bernie Sanders when it comes to these billionaires getting stadiums for their sports teams - stadiums that skyrocket the value of the teams they own.
The Haslams bought the Browns for $1 billion dollars, a team now valued at four times that amount. They had so much money from flipping their RICO-investigated truck stop business that they could buy the Columbus Crew AND buy a big chunk of a NBA team that competes with the Cavaliers.
Let THEM build the palace they want. Let THEM maintain the palace they want.
If it comes to that, I am sure they probably will. The rest of what you said sounds like sour grapes to me.
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There's been some mention of it in this thread, but what would the upside be - not just for the owners but the fans? People have mentioned being more comfortable in a dome (definite plus) and more events year-round being possible (also a plus) and fewer weather-related issues with game play as examples of pros for Cleveland-area residents. Can also see higher ticket prices, etc, to offset the costs (a negative for fans).
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What I think the Haslams want is a dome in Brookpark surrounded by a ballpark village of sorts.
I just question if there really is a demand for that out in Brookpark? You really think 20somethings are going to pass on going to downtown for... a TGIFridays in Brookpark?
This should be interesting.
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