Staying Put (and Outdoors) or Dome Sweet Dome in the 'Burbs?
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It definitely can be an advantage.
I think its been shown over the years that it hasn't been for the Browns, though.
I disagree. I don't see any advantage. At most it might be an equalizer. But as you said, it hasn't equalized a darn thing for us.
I am sure the city will screw this one up like they screwed it up in 95.
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It definitely can be an advantage.
I think its been shown over the years that it hasn't been for the Browns, though.
I disagree. I don't see any advantage. At most it might be an equalizer. But as you said, it hasn't equalized a darn thing for us.
I am sure the city will screw this one up like they screwed it up in 95.
I disagree. I don't see any advantage. At most it might be an equalizer. But as you said, it hasn't equalized a darn thing for us.
I am sure the city will screw this one up like they screwed it up in 95.
The city doesn't own the Browns, the Haslams do,
It's their private business, let them buy the land and pay for a stadium.
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I'm sure the majority of people who come to Browns games are from outside the city, there's less than 400,000 people in Cleveland proper, but over 2+ mill in the metro area.
I really, REALLY think the Haslams want a dome in Brookpark, so are they just trying to see if the city blows their doors off with a ton of money to stay on the lakefront? This should be a very interesting year, I'm sure by this time next year we will have a good idea where the Browns will be playing in the future.
I think it could be sooner than that. Building a dome takes over two years. I am thinking by July things will be settled and shovels in the ground by August.
Another factor to consider is a remodel on the lake to the extent required would require year-round construction. The team has no suitable place to play for a year or two. I don't think Columbus is a viable option, and forget about any stadium near Cleveland. The stadium in Canton probably can't even meet the needs of season ticket holders. My guess is the Browns season ticket holder number is around 40,000. Open ticket sales are fairly limited. Maybe 20-30,000 per game. Again, just a guess.
The Haslams don't want that, and the NFL doesn't want that.
I think it could be sooner than that. Building a dome takes over two years. I am thinking by July things will be settled and shovels in the ground by August.
Another factor to consider is a remodel on the lake to the extent required would require year-round construction. The team has no suitable place to play for a year or two. I don't think Columbus is a viable option, and forget about any stadium near Cleveland. The stadium in Canton probably can't even meet the needs of season ticket holders. My guess is the Browns season ticket holder number is around 40,000. Open ticket sales are fairly limited. Maybe 20-30,000 per game. Again, just a guess.
The Haslams don't want that, and the NFL doesn't want that.
There’s nothing in NEO large enough to accommodate the full array of Browns fans for a football game.
The closest would be Kent State’s Dix Stadium (seats 25k) or Akron U’s Infocision Stadium (seats 30k).
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I disagree. I don't see any advantage. At most it might be an equalizer. But as you said, it hasn't equalized a darn thing for us.
I am sure the city will screw this one up like they screwed it up in 95.
The city doesn't own the Browns, the Haslams do,
It's their private business, let them buy the land and pay for a stadium.
The city doesn't own the Browns, the Haslams do,
It's their private business, let them buy the land and pay for a stadium.
They will. Cleveland doesn't have the money. But, the state and country will chip in because they have some money.
Why do you seem so intent to keep the team in the city when the city seems intent on being half assed about things?
Sure, lets keep the team in a half ass stadium, spend a billion dollars, and in ten years have to build a domed stadium. Small thinkers.
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The city doesn't own the Browns, the Haslams do,
It's their private business, let them buy the land and pay for a stadium.
They will. Cleveland doesn't have the money. But, the state and country will chip in because they have some money.
Why do you seem so intent to keep the team in the city when the city seems intent on being half assed about things?
Sure, lets keep the team in a half ass stadium, spend a billion dollars, and in ten years have to build a domed stadium. Small thinkers.
They will. Cleveland doesn't have the money. But, the state and country will chip in because they have some money.
Why do you seem so intent to keep the team in the city when the city seems intent on being half assed about things?
Sure, lets keep the team in a half ass stadium, spend a billion dollars, and in ten years have to build a domed stadium. Small thinkers with a Wal-Mart mentality.
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The city doesn't own the Browns, the Haslams do,
It's their private business, let them buy the land and pay for a stadium.
They will. Cleveland doesn't have the money. But, the state and country will chip in because they have some money.
Why do you seem so intent to keep the team in the city when the city seems intent on being half assed about things?
Sure, lets keep the team in a half ass stadium, spend a billion dollars, and in ten years have to build a domed stadium. Small thinkers.
They will. Cleveland doesn't have the money. But, the state and country will chip in because they have some money.
Why do you seem so intent to keep the team in the city when the city seems intent on being half assed about things?
Sure, lets keep the team in a half ass stadium, spend a billion dollars, and in ten years have to build a domed stadium. Small thinkers.
I would prefer they stay downtown, but wouldn't be upset if they did the Brookpark thing.
And this is a private business. Interesting how all you free-market capitalism is king guys get all Bernie Sanders when it comes to these billionaires getting stadiums for their sports teams - stadiums that skyrocket the value of the teams they own.
The Haslams bought the Browns for $1 billion dollars, a team now valued at four times that amount. They had so much money from flipping their RICO-investigated truck stop business that they could buy the Columbus Crew AND buy a big chunk of a NBA team that competes with the Cavaliers.
Let THEM build the palace they want. Let THEM maintain the palace they want.
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Anthony Walker is not the only one that tells his agent stuff like this. Build the dome.
Speaking to the Miami media, Walker shared the simple factor that he told his agent to focus on in free agency: Warmth!
“I stressed to my agent it was very, very important to get me out the cold. I was sick of it,” Walker said. “I hadn’t been home in a while. I was in the Midwest since I was 17 years old. It was about time I got some warm weather and when he said Miami and I was like let’s get it done.”
Anthony Walker is not the only one that tells his agent stuff like this. Build the dome.
Speaking to the Miami media, Walker shared the simple factor that he told his agent to focus on in free agency: Warmth!
“I stressed to my agent it was very, very important to get me out the cold. I was sick of it,” Walker said. “I hadn’t been home in a while. I was in the Midwest since I was 17 years old. It was about time I got some warm weather and when he said Miami and I was like let’s get it done.”
Mediocre players should be more concerned about being better and more consistent than they should about a couple months of colder weather.
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They will. Cleveland doesn't have the money. But, the state and country will chip in because they have some money.
Why do you seem so intent to keep the team in the city when the city seems intent on being half assed about things?
Sure, lets keep the team in a half ass stadium, spend a billion dollars, and in ten years have to build a domed stadium. Small thinkers.
I would prefer they stay downtown, but wouldn't be upset if they did the Brookpark thing.
And this is a private business. Interesting how all you free-market capitalism is king guys get all Bernie Sanders when it comes to these billionaires getting stadiums for their sports teams - stadiums that skyrocket the value of the teams they own.
The Haslams bought the Browns for $1 billion dollars, a team now valued at four times that amount. They had so much money from flipping their RICO-investigated truck stop business that they could buy the Columbus Crew AND buy a big chunk of a NBA team that competes with the Cavaliers.
Let THEM build the palace they want. Let THEM maintain the palace they want.
I would prefer they stay downtown, but wouldn't be upset if they did the Brookpark thing.
And this is a private business. Interesting how all you free-market capitalism is king guys get all Bernie Sanders when it comes to these billionaires getting stadiums for their sports teams - stadiums that skyrocket the value of the teams they own.
The Haslams bought the Browns for $1 billion dollars, a team now valued at four times that amount. They had so much money from flipping their RICO-investigated truck stop business that they could buy the Columbus Crew AND buy a big chunk of a NBA team that competes with the Cavaliers.
Let THEM build the palace they want. Let THEM maintain the palace they want.
If it comes to that, I am sure they probably will. The rest of what you said sounds like sour grapes to me.
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I would prefer they stay downtown, but wouldn't be upset if they did the Brookpark thing.
And this is a private business. Interesting how all you free-market capitalism is king guys get all Bernie Sanders when it comes to these billionaires getting stadiums for their sports teams - stadiums that skyrocket the value of the teams they own.
The Haslams bought the Browns for $1 billion dollars, a team now valued at four times that amount. They had so much money from flipping their RICO-investigated truck stop business that they could buy the Columbus Crew AND buy a big chunk of a NBA team that competes with the Cavaliers.
Let THEM build the palace they want. Let THEM maintain the palace they want.
If it comes to that, I am sure they probably will. The rest of what you said sounds like sour grapes to me.
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There's been some mention of it in this thread, but what would the upside be - not just for the owners but the fans? People have mentioned being more comfortable in a dome (definite plus) and more events year-round being possible (also a plus) and fewer weather-related issues with game play as examples of pros for Cleveland-area residents. Can also see higher ticket prices, etc, to offset the costs (a negative for fans).
Any other big upsides? Or medium to small upsides/opportunities? -
What I think the Haslams want is a dome in Brookpark surrounded by a ballpark village of sorts.
I just question if there really is a demand for that out in Brookpark? You really think 20somethings are going to pass on going to downtown for... a TGIFridays in Brookpark?
This should be interesting.
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What I think the Haslams want is a dome in Brookpark surrounded by a ballpark village of sorts.
I just question if there really is a demand for that out in Brookpark? You really think 20somethings are going to pass on going to downtown for... a TGIFridays in Brookpark?
This should be interesting.
What I think the Haslams want is a dome in Brookpark surrounded by a ballpark village of sorts.
I just question if there really is a demand for that out in Brookpark? You really think 20somethings are going to pass on going to downtown for... a TGIFridays in Brookpark?
This should be interesting.
I don't think it would be a TGI Fridays, so to speak.
I think a lot of people would go to bypass downtown. You might lose some people who live on the east side, but people on the west or south side would easily go.
I don't live in the area, so I have no clue, how busy is the Barley House as an example on an everyday Saturday night? I can't imagine a flock of people heading downtown. It's probably full of central city dwellers.
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What I think the Haslams want is a dome in Brookpark surrounded by a ballpark village of sorts.
I just question if there really is a demand for that out in Brookpark? You really think 20somethings are going to pass on going to downtown for... a TGIFridays in Brookpark?
This should be interesting.
I don't think it would be a TGI Fridays, so to speak.
I think a lot of people would go to bypass downtown. You might lose some people who live on the east side, but people on the west or south side would easily go.
I don't live in the area, so I have no clue, how busy is the Barley House as an example on an everyday Saturday night? I can't imagine a flock of people heading downtown. It's probably full of central city dwellers.
I don't think it would be a TGI Fridays, so to speak.
I think a lot of people would go to bypass downtown. You might lose some people who live on the east side, but people on the west or south side would easily go.
I don't live in the area, so I have no clue, how busy is the Barley House as an example on an everyday Saturday night? I can't imagine a flock of people heading downtown. It's probably full of central city dwellers.
Honestly, I don't know...
But generally between Guardians, Cavs and Browns games, plus concerts at Rocket Mortgage Fieldhouse, and Playhouse Square, downtown seems pretty busy on the weekends.
Would a ballpark village in Brookpark be the same, especially considering the anchor tenant in reality is barely there? Of course, a dome would allow them to try and attract the Final Four, etc...
I guess we'll see.
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I don't think it would be a TGI Fridays, so to speak.
I think a lot of people would go to bypass downtown. You might lose some people who live on the east side, but people on the west or south side would easily go.
I don't live in the area, so I have no clue, how busy is the Barley House as an example on an everyday Saturday night? I can't imagine a flock of people heading downtown. It's probably full of central city dwellers.
Honestly, I don't know...
But generally between Guardians, Cavs and Browns games, plus concerts at Rocket Mortgage Fieldhouse, and Playhouse Square, downtown seems pretty busy on the weekends.
Would a ballpark village in Brookpark be the same, especially considering the anchor tenant in reality is barely there? Of course, a dome would allow them to try and attract the Final Four, etc...
I guess we'll see.
Honestly, I don't know...
But generally between Guardians, Cavs and Browns games, plus concerts at Rocket Mortgage Fieldhouse, and Playhouse Square, downtown seems pretty busy on the weekends.
Would a ballpark village in Brookpark be the same, especially considering the anchor tenant in reality is barely there? Of course, a dome would allow them to try and attract the Final Four, etc...
I guess we'll see.
Fair answer. Nobody really knows. The Cavs and Guards would still bring in crowds. Concerts, the Dome would take some and probably/ possibly bring in some the Rocket doesn't.
In the end I think Haslam is going to make the move. My feeling and my feeling is if I was Mr. Billionaire, if the city wasn't going to give you what you wanted and not pick up some cost and I had to pay the full bill, I would move to where I had it all and the way I wanted.
I suspect you and anybody else would too as well.
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There's been some mention of it in this thread, but what would the upside be - not just for the owners but the fans? People have mentioned being more comfortable in a dome (definite plus) and more events year-round being possible (also a plus) and fewer weather-related issues with game play as examples of pros for Cleveland-area residents. Can also see higher ticket prices, etc, to offset the costs (a negative for fans).
Any other big upsides? Or medium to small upsides/opportunities?Any other big upsides? Or medium to small upsides/opportunities?
It would be easier to attract players to the organization. Believe it or not, there are players that don't like playing in the freezing wind, rain and/or snow. Like Anthony Walker who just told his agent to find someplace warm and that he's sick of the cold. Or Deshaun Watson who doesn't like the cold such that it took a quarter billion guaranteed to get him here.
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Any other big upsides? Or medium to small upsides/opportunities?
It would be easier to attract players to the organization. Believe it or not, there are players that don't like playing in the freezing wind, rain and/or snow. Like Anthony Walker who just told his agent to find someplace warm and that he's sick of the cold. Or Deshaun Watson who doesn't like the cold such that it took a quarter billion guaranteed to get him here.
It would be easier to attract players to the organization. Believe it or not, there are players that don't like playing in the freezing wind, rain and/or snow. Like Anthony Walker who just told his agent to find someplace warm and that he's sick of the cold. Or Deshaun Watson who doesn't like the cold such that it took a quarter billion guaranteed to get him here.
Great perspective...
I've always been a fan of being in the elements for football. It's just the way I was raised. I prefer outdoor stadiums.
However, if a new domed stadium attracts the talent necessary to win a Super Bowl. Do it. Right now. Everyday of the week and twice on Sundays.
It's where the game is heading...
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It would be easier to attract players to the organization. Believe it or not, there are players that don't like playing in the freezing wind, rain and/or snow. Like Anthony Walker who just told his agent to find someplace warm and that he's sick of the cold. Or Deshaun Watson who doesn't like the cold such that it took a quarter billion guaranteed to get him here.
Great perspective...
I've always been a fan of being in the elements for football. It's just the way I was raised. I prefer outdoor stadiums.
However, if a new domed stadium attracts the talent necessary to win a Super Bowl. Do it. Right now. Everyday of the week and twice on Sundays.
It's where the game is heading...
I've always been a fan of being in the elements for football. It's just the way I was raised.
I was a fan back when there were no domes. But this is a very different time. There ARE teams with domes. AND there's free agency which they didn't have in pre dome times. - I wonder how many Minnesota Vikings privately dreamed of taking Bud Grant behind the stadium and knocking some sense into him for not allowing them to use sideline heaters while the opponents, on the same sideline, could thaw themselves out while on the sidelines. "Make them suffer! It makes them tougher!"
Some fans had to have amputations after the Chiefs playoff game this year. The game was not invented / intended as a winter sport. But games are being played practically into mid-winter.
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Any other big upsides? Or medium to small upsides/opportunities?
It would be easier to attract players to the organization. Believe it or not, there are players that don't like playing in the freezing wind, rain and/or snow. Like Anthony Walker who just told his agent to find someplace warm and that he's sick of the cold. Or Deshaun Watson who doesn't like the cold such that it took a quarter billion guaranteed to get him here.
It would be easier to attract players to the organization. Believe it or not, there are players that don't like playing in the freezing wind, rain and/or snow. Like Anthony Walker who just told his agent to find someplace warm and that he's sick of the cold. Or Deshaun Watson who doesn't like the cold such that it took a quarter billion guaranteed to get him here.
I'd go so far as to say nobody* likes it. My question to those who say so is why are nearly all Clevelanders so ready for spring and summer?
Who in here wants Cleveland cold and slop weather to be a year round deal? Ask any lineman for the public utility in Cleveland if they like being up in the bucket in February.
* OK, there are always a few simpletons in the crowd.
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The Chicago Bears are set to announce a $4.6 billion plan to build a new enclosed stadium and improved lakefront area with half of the money coming from taxpayers, sources said.
The Chicago Bears are set to announce a $4.6 billion plan to build a new enclosed stadium and improved lakefront area with half of the money coming from taxpayers, sources said.
A $4.6B new enclosed stadium on mean ol' Lake Michigan .... sweet.
Face it in November, December and especially January I for one would lo
︎e to be in a nice 68° seasoned surroundings versus a 7° with 25 mph winds blowing straight in off the lake for hours on end.
The players would agree with me 100% guaranteed.
GO BUCKEYES, BROWNS, INDIANS, CAVS, YSU, NAVY and yes I like ND!
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