The State of the 2024 Browns: Quarterbacks
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Like Joe Kapp or somethin.
Now-A-Days, with the price paid for a QB of supposed superior talent, you can't afford to get the guy hurt. Let's face it. We paid three 1st round picks (and other picks) and a quarter of a billion dollars guaranteed. There's too much invested. We had people holding their breath when he collided with a 2nd baseman in a softball game.
...and it only 'looks like' he is trying to get himself injured on purpose.
Absolutely.
I totally understand that a QB needs to protect himself at all costs, considering how much of the salary cap a veteran starting QB takes up.
But to say he's literally trying to get himself hurt so he doesn't have to play is just an incredibly dumb take. Like dumb take reserved for a certain dark corner of this message board dumb.
But I still contend that for certain QBs, even today, they would be commended for doing the same thing. They'd be heralded as "blue-collar, gritty and scrappy. A real man's man." Oh well, it is what it is.
looks like' he is trying to get himself injured on purpose
when did nickers hack your account Vette ?
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looks like' he is trying to get himself injured on purpose
when did nickers hack your account Vette ?
when did nickers hack your account Vette ?
I know that he's not trying to get hurt on purpose so that he can have operations, go through rehab and hold a clipboard while being paid. But really, what makes him think that he should be taking on tacklers? Does he think that it's his job to do that? If so, then he needs to be tutored. We have guys that are supposed to fight for extra yards. They're called receivers and running backs. The starting QB is 'important on another level' important to the team / organization. If he gets hurt, the team literally goes into the shitter. How we won some games last year with our dumpster fire at QB is truly amazing.
I understand that many teams use their franchise QB to get yardage with his legs. But I don't think that it's smart. I want my QB to play like John Elway. Stay in the play and try to get the ball passed. Run as a last resort, or if the seas part and you have open field in front of you...but get down in advance of any chance of contact.
BEING A BROWNS FAN IS A TEST TO SEE HOW MUCH YOU CAN TAKE -
when did nickers hack your account Vette ?
I know that he's not trying to get hurt on purpose so that he can have operations, go through rehab and hold a clipboard while being paid. But really, what makes him think that he should be taking on tacklers? Does he think that it's his job to do that? If so, then he needs to be tutored. We have guys that are supposed to fight for extra yards. They're called receivers and running backs. The starting QB is 'important on another level' important to the team / organization. If he gets hurt, the team literally goes into the shitter. How we won some games last year with our dumpster fire at QB is truly amazing.
I understand that many teams use their franchise QB to get yardage with his legs. But I don't think that it's smart. I want my QB to play like John Elway. Stay in the play and try to get the ball passed. Run as a last resort, or if the seas part and you have open field in front of you...but get down in advance of any chance of contact.
I know that he's not trying to get hurt on purpose
of course I knew that. But it was something that person would have said. I feel he knows the weight of his contract and feels he needs to live up to it. And not only that I believe that he is sick of all the doubter's and really wants to prove them wrong.
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I know that he's not trying to get hurt on purpose
of course I knew that. But it was something that person would have said. I feel he knows the weight of his contract and feels he needs to live up to it. And not only that I believe that he is sick of all the doubter's and really wants to prove them wrong.
I feel he knows the weight of his contract and feels he needs to live up to it. And not only that I believe that he is sick of all the doubter's and really wants to prove them wrong.
...I still want my QB to play 'smart' football.
He got hurt taking on tacklers while we were up pretty good on the scoreboard. That ruined our Super Bowl chances. It could've ruined his career. So, OK...that's over. But has he or the HC learned from that? We'll see.
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I feel he knows the weight of his contract and feels he needs to live up to it. And not only that I believe that he is sick of all the doubter's and really wants to prove them wrong.
...I still want my QB to play 'smart' football.
He got hurt taking on tacklers while we were up pretty good on the scoreboard. That ruined our Super Bowl chances. It could've ruined his career. So, OK...that's over. But has he or the HC learned from that? We'll see.
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Great write up and good meat in the replies.
I’m concerned about Watson, it’s a unique shoulder injury he sustained. Little track record on post success which l think prompted the signing of Winston and Huntley.
I think the Browns are taking the best approach they can. 3 guys with significant playing time who have seen some success plus DTR, the wild card.
I figure Watson will be scrutinized, might even play in a preseason game or 2. If it’s apparent he doesn’t have it, they’ll find the hot hand. It’s sort of an unspoken QB competition year.
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Great write up and good meat in the replies.
I’m concerned about Watson, it’s a unique shoulder injury he sustained. Little track record on post success which l think prompted the signing of Winston and Huntley.
I think the Browns are taking the best approach they can. 3 guys with significant playing time who have seen some success plus DTR, the wild card.
I figure Watson will be scrutinized, might even play in a preseason game or 2. If it’s apparent he doesn’t have it, they’ll find the hot hand. It’s sort of an unspoken QB competition year.
If it’s apparent he doesn’t have it, they’ll find the hot hand. It’s sort of an unspoken QB competition year.
I believe this to be 100% accurate.
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Like Joe Kapp or somethin.
Now-A-Days, with the price paid for a QB of supposed superior talent, you can't afford to get the guy hurt. Let's face it. We paid three 1st round picks (and other picks) and a quarter of a billion dollars guaranteed. There's too much invested. We had people holding their breath when he collided with a 2nd baseman in a softball game.
...and it only 'looks like' he is trying to get himself injured on purpose.
Absolutely.
I totally understand that a QB needs to protect himself at all costs, considering how much of the salary cap a veteran starting QB takes up.
But to say he's literally trying to get himself hurt so he doesn't have to play is just an incredibly dumb take. Like dumb take reserved for a certain dark corner of this message board dumb.
But I still contend that for certain QBs, even today, they would be commended for doing the same thing. They'd be heralded as "blue-collar, gritty and scrappy. A real man's man." Oh well, it is what it is.
Absolutely.
I totally understand that a QB needs to protect himself at all costs, considering how much of the salary cap a veteran starting QB takes up.
But to say he's literally trying to get himself hurt so he doesn't have to play is just an incredibly dumb take. Like dumb take reserved for a certain dark corner of this message board dumb.
But I still contend that for certain QBs, even today, they would be commended for doing the same thing. They'd be heralded as "blue-collar, gritty and scrappy. A real man's man." Oh well, it is what it is.
? That stuff in bold above had me laughing so hard it felt like I did 300 crunches at warped speed.
I didn't mean to take us down this path in the last paragraph of my reply to @ap1 when I asked: When we have to yell SLIDE to Collide (Watson) - is he looking for ways not to play for all that guaranteed cake? I can't argue with anyone thinking that or worrying about it... Having said that, there are people thinking that or worrying about it. My guess is most of them are haters that are going to pull out character rationale to justify their hatred. IMO, that pedigree needs/wants themselves the almighty told you so to the extent they are rooting for it. Arguing with them only gives them a stage. However, there is a fine line of those worried that if Watson doesn't get his game back to where it used to be really soon - the mental frustration, mounting pressure and rapid loss of fan support doesn't make my question in bolded italics far fetched at all. These are people that want him to succeed for their favorite team. It's way easier to respect their opinion or difference of opinion in my opinion. Key word in that sentence 'opinion.'
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when did nickers hack your account Vette ?
I know that he's not trying to get hurt on purpose so that he can have operations, go through rehab and hold a clipboard while being paid. But really, what makes him think that he should be taking on tacklers? Does he think that it's his job to do that? If so, then he needs to be tutored. We have guys that are supposed to fight for extra yards. They're called receivers and running backs. The starting QB is 'important on another level' important to the team / organization. If he gets hurt, the team literally goes into the shitter. How we won some games last year with our dumpster fire at QB is truly amazing.
I understand that many teams use their franchise QB to get yardage with his legs. But I don't think that it's smart. I want my QB to play like John Elway. Stay in the play and try to get the ball passed. Run as a last resort, or if the seas part and you have open field in front of you...but get down in advance of any chance of contact.
I know that he's not trying to get hurt on purpose so that he can have operations, go through rehab and hold a clipboard while being paid. But really, what makes him think that he should be taking on tacklers? Does he think that it's his job to do that? If so, then he needs to be tutored. We have guys that are supposed to fight for extra yards. They're called receivers and running backs. The starting QB is 'important on another level' important to the team / organization. If he gets hurt, the team literally goes into the shitter. How we won some games last year with our dumpster fire at QB is truly amazing.
I understand that many teams use their franchise QB to get yardage with his legs. But I don't think that it's smart. I want my QB to play like John Elway. Stay in the play and try to get the ball passed. Run as a last resort, or if the seas part and you have open field in front of you...but get down in advance of any chance of contact.
I hear ya! If I was his QB Coach - aside from that being a disaster; I would make sure he sees 1 video like this per day. I would bully his subconscious until it's conscious. BTW, I can tell the West Virginia QB is no longer Major Harris.
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I know that he's not trying to get hurt on purpose so that he can have operations, go through rehab and hold a clipboard while being paid. But really, what makes him think that he should be taking on tacklers? Does he think that it's his job to do that? If so, then he needs to be tutored. We have guys that are supposed to fight for extra yards. They're called receivers and running backs. The starting QB is 'important on another level' important to the team / organization. If he gets hurt, the team literally goes into the shitter. How we won some games last year with our dumpster fire at QB is truly amazing.
I understand that many teams use their franchise QB to get yardage with his legs. But I don't think that it's smart. I want my QB to play like John Elway. Stay in the play and try to get the ball passed. Run as a last resort, or if the seas part and you have open field in front of you...but get down in advance of any chance of contact.
I hear ya! If I was his QB Coach - aside from that being a disaster; I would make sure he sees 1 video like this per day. I would bully his subconscious until it's conscious. BTW, I can tell the West Virginia QB is no longer Major Harris.
I hear ya! If I was his.....
Last year Stef came out in support of Watson saying stuff like, That's how he plays the game! 100% effort. Which is a nice sentiment. But it's outdated when it comes to QB's running with the ball. They came out with this rule a while back so that the QB can give himself up and slide. At which point nobody can hit him. And over the years they've come up with other rules to try and protect the QB. These rules were thunk up because the NFL noticed that they were having a problem. Marque teams were going straight into the shitter because their QB's were getting injured. The NFL was changing rules for DB's so that receivers could catch more passes and thus more offense and more scoring. But really that just increased the importance of the QB even more.
The QB has always been the most important guy in a football organization. Our last championship came because the QB, Frank Ryan, threw 3 TD passes. And championships before that were from Otto Graham. Ryan wasn't as good as Graham...thus just the one championship, while having the better RB (Jim Brown). Bart Star & Johnny Unitas combined for 9 championships. Sid Luckman & Joe Montana combined for 8. Brady, of course, 7 championships.
The QB is the most important player in any team sport that I can think of. They've enacted rules designed specifically to protect this 'most important' player. USE THEM! I don't wanna hear the coach say, That's how he plays the game. 100% effort. Fuck No. Let's use 100% SMARTS! The league came up with the slide rule because they know how 100% screwed you are if your QB gets hurt. Why have our guys just plain Not Understood that? I mean, do they need a brick shithouse to fall on them? Is it not unlike using your Queen to plod around the chessboard trying to kill pawns?
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Not to get in to Watson. I think we all know the status of that. I'll just say I think he can be a top tier QB.
After that, I think we are solid with Winston and Huntley in the back-up roles. I don't think we could do much better in that department. I will say that Robinson could be kept as the 3rd QB. I think Huntley could be used as trade bait if some other team deems it necessary to bring in more help at QB. Huntley is more of a back-up QB than a 3rd QB.
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Not to get in to Watson. I think we all know the status of that. I'll just say I think he can be a top tier QB.
After that, I think we are solid with Winston and Huntley in the back-up roles. I don't think we could do much better in that department. I will say that Robinson could be kept as the 3rd QB. I think Huntley could be used as trade bait if some other team deems it necessary to bring in more help at QB. Huntley is more of a back-up QB than a 3rd QB.
Not to get in to Watson. I think we all know the status of that. I'll just say I think he can be a top tier QB.
Really?
I mean, I hope you are right. I hope he gets back to his 2018-2020 form, when he was easily a top 5 NFL QB. But man, three seasons have come and gone, he's still hated throughout the NFL (and a sizable portion of the Browns fanbase), he's coming off a throwing shoulder injury and we'll see if the Browns have actually made the offense fit his skill-set.
We'll see soon enough, but I'm not optimistic we'll ever see THAT Watson again.
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Not to get in to Watson. I think we all know the status of that. I'll just say I think he can be a top tier QB.
Really?
I mean, I hope you are right. I hope he gets back to his 2018-2020 form, when he was easily a top 5 NFL QB. But man, three seasons have come and gone, he's still hated throughout the NFL (and a sizable portion of the Browns fanbase), he's coming off a throwing shoulder injury and we'll see if the Browns have actually made the offense fit his skill-set.
We'll see soon enough, but I'm not optimistic we'll ever see THAT Watson again.
Really?
I mean, I hope you are right. I hope he gets back to his 2018-2020 form, when he was easily a top 5 NFL QB. But man, three seasons have come and gone, he's still hated throughout the NFL (and a sizable portion of the Browns fanbase), he's coming off a throwing shoulder injury and we'll see if the Browns have actually made the offense fit his skill-set.
We'll see soon enough, but I'm not optimistic we'll ever see THAT Watson again.
I think the hate factor is overblown. I don't think most fans care anymore. The loudest doesn't make a majority.
Only 2 seasons have passed. The first was the suspension season and last season was derailed with an injury.
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Really?
I mean, I hope you are right. I hope he gets back to his 2018-2020 form, when he was easily a top 5 NFL QB. But man, three seasons have come and gone, he's still hated throughout the NFL (and a sizable portion of the Browns fanbase), he's coming off a throwing shoulder injury and we'll see if the Browns have actually made the offense fit his skill-set.
We'll see soon enough, but I'm not optimistic we'll ever see THAT Watson again.
I think the hate factor is overblown. I don't think most fans care anymore. The loudest doesn't make a majority.
Only 2 seasons have passed. The first was the suspension season and last season was derailed with an injury.
I think the hate factor is overblown. I don't think most fans care anymore. The loudest doesn't make a majority.
Only 2 seasons have passed. The first was the suspension season and last season was derailed with an injury.
Three seasons have passed since his last really good season in 2020.
He sat out 2021 trying to get traded from Houston. He got traded to the Browns prior to the 2022 season, sat out 11 games via the suspension, then played the final six. Started six games last season.
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I don't care about seasons he had elsewhere. I am commenting on him being a Brown's player.
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Not to get in to Watson. I think we all know the status of that. I'll just say I think he can be a top tier QB.
Really?
I mean, I hope you are right. I hope he gets back to his 2018-2020 form, when he was easily a top 5 NFL QB. But man, three seasons have come and gone, he's still hated throughout the NFL (and a sizable portion of the Browns fanbase), he's coming off a throwing shoulder injury and we'll see if the Browns have actually made the offense fit his skill-set.
We'll see soon enough, but I'm not optimistic we'll ever see THAT Watson again.
he's still hated throughout the NFL (and a sizable portion of the Browns fanbase)
Sure he's hated in Houston...but I don't know how much the rest of the NFL gives him a 2nd thought anymore. As for the Browns fans that don't like him / hate him, it's up to them to find a way through this. Perhaps they take a hiatus from the Browns / football until his time in Cleveland is over. Me, I don't particularly like him. And I've played team sports with a guy (or 2) that I didn't particularly like...but that means nothing when you're playing the game. At that point it's more like war...and they're on your side. And even if you don't like him, if he's good, you don't want him traded.
Having said that, if the guy doesn't play well (or just plain stinks), then that's a different way to 'not like him'. And if that's the case then I don't care if the guy is Tim Tebow (an honest to God good guy), I'd want him off the team.
BEING A BROWNS FAN IS A TEST TO SEE HOW MUCH YOU CAN TAKE -
he's still hated throughout the NFL (and a sizable portion of the Browns fanbase)
Sure he's hated in Houston...but I don't know how much the rest of the NFL gives him a 2nd thought anymore. As for the Browns fans that don't like him / hate him, it's up to them to find a way through this. Perhaps they take a hiatus from the Browns / football until his time in Cleveland is over. Me, I don't particularly like him. And I've played team sports with a guy (or 2) that I didn't particularly like...but that means nothing when you're playing the game. At that point it's more like war...and they're on your side. And even if you don't like him, if he's good, you don't want him traded.
Having said that, if the guy doesn't play well (or just plain stinks), then that's a different way to 'not like him'. And if that's the case then I don't care if the guy is Tim Tebow (an honest to God good guy), I'd want him off the team.
Sure he's hated in Houston...but I don't know how much the rest of the NFL gives him a 2nd thought anymore. As for the Browns fans that don't like him / hate him, it's up to them to find a way through this. Perhaps they take a hiatus from the Browns / football until his time in Cleveland is over. Me, I don't particularly like him. And I've played team sports with a guy (or 2) that I didn't particularly like...but that means nothing when you're playing the game. At that point it's more like war...and they're on your side. And even if you don't like him, if he's good, you don't want him traded.
Having said that, if the guy doesn't play well (or just plain stinks), then that's a different way to 'not like him'. And if that's the case then I don't care if the guy is Tim Tebow (an honest to God good guy), I'd want him off the team.
My point regarding that is that most players, regardless of sport, don't like being "the bad guy".
Most players aren't built to be Bill Laimbeer or Draymond Green...
It can affect players.
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Sure he's hated in Houston...but I don't know how much the rest of the NFL gives him a 2nd thought anymore. As for the Browns fans that don't like him / hate him, it's up to them to find a way through this. Perhaps they take a hiatus from the Browns / football until his time in Cleveland is over. Me, I don't particularly like him. And I've played team sports with a guy (or 2) that I didn't particularly like...but that means nothing when you're playing the game. At that point it's more like war...and they're on your side. And even if you don't like him, if he's good, you don't want him traded.
Having said that, if the guy doesn't play well (or just plain stinks), then that's a different way to 'not like him'. And if that's the case then I don't care if the guy is Tim Tebow (an honest to God good guy), I'd want him off the team.
My point regarding that is that most players, regardless of sport, don't like being "the bad guy".
Most players aren't built to be Bill Laimbeer or Draymond Green...
It can affect players.
My point regarding that is that most players, regardless of sport, don't like being "the bad guy". True. But some cherish it.
Most players aren't built to be Bill Laimbeer or Draymond Green...
It can affect players. Yeah, it can affect good guys.
My current opinion of Watson is that he doesn't fit either category. He doesn't revel in being the bad guy. And I don't think he has the sense to feel the self disappointment that an actual good guy would feel. I think that he feels that if people don't like him for what he's done, then it's their job to get over it. And in reality, it is. I mean, guys aren't brought to our team to sing in the church choir. - Many years ago I was talking to the company VP and his wife at a company picnic. He told me that they knew Bill Nelson. He said that he really wasn't a super nice guy. But his wife chimed in and said, actually he was kind of an ass. The kind of sad, bottom line for us is can he play well and win football games.
BEING A BROWNS FAN IS A TEST TO SEE HOW MUCH YOU CAN TAKE -
he's still hated throughout the NFL (and a sizable portion of the Browns fanbase)
Sure he's hated in Houston...but I don't know how much the rest of the NFL gives him a 2nd thought anymore. As for the Browns fans that don't like him / hate him, it's up to them to find a way through this. Perhaps they take a hiatus from the Browns / football until his time in Cleveland is over. Me, I don't particularly like him. And I've played team sports with a guy (or 2) that I didn't particularly like...but that means nothing when you're playing the game. At that point it's more like war...and they're on your side. And even if you don't like him, if he's good, you don't want him traded.
Having said that, if the guy doesn't play well (or just plain stinks), then that's a different way to 'not like him'. And if that's the case then I don't care if the guy is Tim Tebow (an honest to God good guy), I'd want him off the team.
As for the Browns fans that don't like him / hate him, it's up to them to find a way through this.
Hey! I'm in that boat. I don't care at all about what he did off the field. If Chairman Mao could rush for 2000 yards, I'd be calling for us to draft him. Problem is that I don't think his shoulder is ever going to be the same.
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