▪︎ ● ? CLE @ SEA ● PRE GAME -3 of 3- THREAD ● SAT 8/24 @ 10 pm ||●--▪︎ It was RIGHT HERE ? ? Really it was.
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wow you sure in a state of denial, Lets take a closer look at the numbers shall we ?
Paul Brown was 338-127-15 Thats (72.0%) He won 7 league championships (4 in the AAFC and 3 in the NFL).He also won A National Championship while at Ohio Statte.He also won 4 High School national championships and 7 state championships.
Now Vince, well you got me there he doe's have a higher winning % at 73.8 but in far less games. 146 games coached .
If you want to look at games coached, look at Curly Lambeau: 229-124-22. He also played 10 years before he became head coach.
The Packers have multiple head coaches with quality resumes. Even look at Matt LaFleur's record against some of the Browns coaches.
Again, both legendary franchises. We don't need to have a pissing contest.
If you want to look at games coached look at Curly Lambeau: 229-124-22. He also played 10 years before he became head coach.
The Packers have multiple head coaches with quality resumes. Even look at Matt LaFleur's record against some of the Browns coaches.
why are you trying to change the subject ? I thought we were talking about lombardi vs Brown. (which btw has 2 nfl stadiums named for him) oh ? and 1 collage stadium also.
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"Lombardo" Ohh, burn? What are you, 12?
You will learn when you grow up..that you have to earn respect to get it.
I do respect the legacy of Paul Brown. As I respect the Browns franchise. Been some pitfalls along the way, but all in all a quality franchise.
Just saying it doesn't compare to the Green Bay Packers. Winningest team in the history of the league. Sustained success like that is unmatched.
Should be fun Saturday against the Ravens..I will be there at 8:30 a.m. drinking a Bloody Mary and setting up the tailgate. Love the noon kickoffs.
Hope both teams come out of it healthy.
OneTeamOneNation
PackerNation!
Here's a crazy story.
Packers @Browns 2017. The infamous 0-16 season.
We are tailgating at our usual spot. A group of young Packer fans comes by, they join us. They were all pretty cool it seemed.
These fans ended up right by my son's seats. When you're 0-12, there's seats available on the secondary market.
So it's 21-7 Browns in the 4th Q. The Packers fans are of course restless, they don't want their team to be the Browns' victim of course.
Ok, Deshone Kizer starts Kizer-ing. Packers cut it to 21-14. Browns punt. First play from scrimmage, defensive PI. Next play, defensive holding. Tables are turning. Alcohol is a factor...next thing you know, security is up in our section...guess who called them? Yeah, Packers fans....after we fed 'em, had a good time with booze etc.
Never ever in my life did I hate GB. Until that day. They were welcomed to our tailgate, probably paid $20 for $50 seats, and called security on Browns fans in our own stadium?
Probably too broad of a brush but it wasn't a good look for "cheese heads."
Of course, Browns lose in OT on another Kizer-ing moment.
Here's a crazy story.
Packers @Browns 2017. The infamous 0-16 season.
We are tailgating at our usual spot. A group of young Packer fans comes by, they join us. They were all pretty cool it seemed.
These fans ended up right by my son's seats. When you're 0-12, there's seats available on the secondary market.
So it's 21-7 Browns in the 4th Q. The Packers fans are of course restless, they don't want their team to be the Browns' victim of course.
Ok, Deshone Kizer starts Kizer-ing. Packers cut it to 21-14. Browns punt. First play from scrimmage, defensive PI. Next play, defensive holding. Tables are turning. Alcohol is a factor...next thing you know, security is up in our section...guess who called them? Yeah, Packers fans....after we fed 'em, had a good time with booze etc.
Never ever in my life did I hate GB. Until that day. They were welcomed to our tailgate, probably paid $20 for $50 seats, and called security on Browns fans in our own stadium?
Probably too broad of a brush but it wasn't a good look for "cheese heads."
Of course, Browns lose in OT on another Kizer-ing moment.
Sounds like young wannabe Packers fans to me. There are a lot of those at away games. I've been bleeding Green and Gold for over 50 years. I know a real Packers fan from a wannabe. And your story has wannabe written all over it.
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wow you sure in a state of denial, Lets take a closer look at the numbers shall we ?
Paul Brown was 338-127-15 Thats (72.0%) He won 7 league championships (4 in the AAFC and 3 in the NFL).He also won A National Championship while at Ohio Statte.He also won 4 High School national championships and 7 state championships.
Now Vince, well you got me there he doe's have a higher winning % at 73.8 but in far less games. 146 games coached .
If you want to look at games coached, look at Curly Lambeau: 229-124-22. He also played 10 years before he became head coach.
The Packers have multiple head coaches with quality resumes. Even look at Matt LaFleur's record against some of the Browns coaches.
Again, both legendary franchises. We don't need to have a pissing contest.
If you want to look at games coached, look at Curly Lambeau: 229-124-2
quick question, You married to a steeler fan ? Oh I forgot to mention Paul Brown doe's have a franchise with his namesake. But that's O.K. the green bay lombardi's really doesn't have a good ring to it.
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Here's a crazy story.
Packers @Browns 2017. The infamous 0-16 season.
We are tailgating at our usual spot. A group of young Packer fans comes by, they join us. They were all pretty cool it seemed.
These fans ended up right by my son's seats. When you're 0-12, there's seats available on the secondary market.
So it's 21-7 Browns in the 4th Q. The Packers fans are of course restless, they don't want their team to be the Browns' victim of course.
Ok, Deshone Kizer starts Kizer-ing. Packers cut it to 21-14. Browns punt. First play from scrimmage, defensive PI. Next play, defensive holding. Tables are turning. Alcohol is a factor...next thing you know, security is up in our section...guess who called them? Yeah, Packers fans....after we fed 'em, had a good time with booze etc.
Never ever in my life did I hate GB. Until that day. They were welcomed to our tailgate, probably paid $20 for $50 seats, and called security on Browns fans in our own stadium?
Probably too broad of a brush but it wasn't a good look for "cheese heads."
Of course, Browns lose in OT on another Kizer-ing moment.
Sounds like young wannabe Packers fans to me. There are a lot of those at away games. I've been bleeding Green and Gold for over 50 years. I know a real Packers fan from a wannabe. And your story has wannabe written all over it.
Sounds like young wannabe Packers fans to me. There are a lot of those at away games. I've been bleeding Green and Gold for over 50 years. I know a real Packers fan from a wannabe. And your story has wannabe written all over it.
Thing is they were from NE Ohio. A side effect from all the losing the Browns have done since Modell moved to Ratbirds City is some locals gave up.
I'm like you. Went to my 1st game in 1971 at CLE Stadium.
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wow you sure in a state of denial, Lets take a closer look at the numbers shall we ?
Paul Brown was 338-127-15 Thats (72.0%) He won 7 league championships (4 in the AAFC and 3 in the NFL).He also won A National Championship while at Ohio Statte.He also won 4 High School national championships and 7 state championships.
Now Vince, well you got me there he doe's have a higher winning % at 73.8 but in far less games. 146 games coached .
If you want to look at games coached, look at Curly Lambeau: 229-124-22. He also played 10 years before he became head coach.
The Packers have multiple head coaches with quality resumes. Even look at Matt LaFleur's record against some of the Browns coaches.
Again, both legendary franchises. We don't need to have a pissing contest.
Again, both legendary franchises. We don't need to have a pissing contest.
Right.
Remember though (please), we are jaded around here. Lousy ownership since 1963 will do that to you lol, and the constant reminders of "never been to a Super Bowl," while our whole division has been to it, and the damn Ratbirds won it twice. (Tagliabue was so upset that the City of Cleveland got the team back, I think that's why he put the Rats in our division (twice a year we have to see that crap, it's not easy, I'll never get over it).
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Browns will see Seahawks' starters on Saturday night
Cool, both teams will play most of the starters. Maybe I will check out the first quarter of that game. I will be at the Packers game at noon, but by 9 p.m. I should be home & relaxed, ready for a little more football.
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Browns will see Seahawks' starters on Saturday night
Cool, both teams will play most of the starters. Maybe I will check out the first quarter of that game. I will be at the Packers game at noon, but by 9 p.m. I should be home & relaxed, ready for a little more football.
Cool, both teams will play most of the starters. Maybe I will check out the first quarter of that game. I will be at the Packers game at noon, but by 9 p.m. I should be home & relaxed, ready for a little more football.
I'm high on Dontayvion Wicks, what are the thoughts from Packers fans?
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"Lombardo" Ohh, burn? What are you, 12?
You will learn when you grow up..that you have to earn respect to get it.
I do respect the legacy of Paul Brown. As I respect the Browns franchise. Been some pitfalls along the way, but all in all a quality franchise.
Just saying it doesn't compare to the Green Bay Packers. Winningest team in the history of the league. Sustained success like that is unmatched.
Should be fun Saturday against the Ravens..I will be there at 8:30 a.m. drinking a Bloody Mary and setting up the tailgate. Love the noon kickoffs.
Hope both teams come out of it healthy.
OneTeamOneNation
PackerNation!
wow you sure in a state of denial, Lets take a closer look at the numbers shall we ?
Paul Brown was 338-127-15 Thats (72.0%) He won 7 league championships (4 in the AAFC and 3 in the NFL).He also won A National Championship while at Ohio State.He also won 4 High School national championships and 7 state championships.
Now Vince, well you got me there he doe's have a higher winning % at 73.8 but in far less games. 146 games coached .
wow you sure in a state of denial, Lets take a closer look at the numbers shall we ?
Paul Brown was 338-127-15 Thats (72.0%) He won 7 league championships (4 in the AAFC and 3 in the NFL).He also won A National Championship while at Ohio State.He also won 4 High School national championships and 7 state championships.
Now Vince, well you got me there he doe's have a higher winning % at 73.8 but in far less games. 146 games coached .
When we get into arguing Paul Brown vrs Vince Lombardi - it's like arguing favorite ice cream flavors. In my world nothing beats mint chocolate chip ice cream. That doesn't mean I'm right. It just means you're not gonna prove I'm wrong.
Nobody, not even Vince Lombardi - led his team to 10 consecutive Pro Football Championship appearances (winning 7 of those) in their 1st 10 years as a Pro Football Head Coach. That was inclusive of making it to the NFL Title Game every one of the 1st 6 years the Browns participated in the NFL (winning 3 of the 6). That was after hearing all about "wait until they have to play REAL competition." They won the very 1st NFL Title Game they appeared in. More specifically, LAND HO!
You covered it all extremely well above so I'll just slip in 1 quick note. As for Paul Brown's winning championships at every level beginning with high school - he didn't just win multiple State Championships in Ohio. He also won 1 in Maryland.
2 former Paul Brown players went on to coach Multiple NFL Super Bowls/Dynasties. Paul Brown's former Messenger Guard Chuck Noll took the Steelers from nothing to our favorite NFL Team to hate. Don Shula was another former Cleveland Brown that appeared in 6 Super Bowls as a Head Coach. After losing his 1st Super Bowl appearance with the Colts in 68, he took the Dolphins to 5 Super Bowls (and won 2 of them). Shula is the only NFL Head Coach that combined a Super Bowl Championship with a perfect undefeated season in 1972 (the Browns took them into OT fwiw).
Other NFL Great Coaches that learned under Paul Brown? Ever hear of the West Coast Offense? Most of those components were from Paul Brown with some sprinkles Sid Gilman provided that former Paul Brown Assistant Coach Bill Walsh borrowed for the dynasty he built in SF. Many of Walsh's former Assistant Coaches inclusive of Andy Reid, Mike Holmgren and others enjoyed great success using the WCO with their teams. Former Paul Brown Assistant Weeb Ewbank went on to win 2 Titles as HC of the Colts and 1 Super Bowl Championship as HC of the Jets. Syd already mentioned and explained all this so I'm just piggy-backing some redundancy here because I join Syd in thinking a Championship Trophy should have been named after the guy. Maybe even just a Conference Championship Trophy. A Championship is a Championship whether it is called a Super Bowl Championship or a Championship Title.
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
Browns will see Seahawks' starters on Saturday night
Cool, both teams will play most of the starters. Maybe I will check out the first quarter of that game. I will be at the Packers game at noon, but by 9 p.m. I should be home & relaxed, ready for a little more football.
Cool, both teams will play most of the starters. Maybe I will check out the first quarter of that game. I will be at the Packers game at noon, but by 9 p.m. I should be home & relaxed, ready for a little more football.
Seattle is a great city and only a 3 hour train ride from my home. But we have family coming in town so we will watch the game on the coast.
side note: Paul Brown is still the better coach
edit: on the way back i will take them here.great place to hike or even rent a cabin
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wow you sure in a state of denial, Lets take a closer look at the numbers shall we ?
Paul Brown was 338-127-15 Thats (72.0%) He won 7 league championships (4 in the AAFC and 3 in the NFL).He also won A National Championship while at Ohio State.He also won 4 High School national championships and 7 state championships.
Now Vince, well you got me there he doe's have a higher winning % at 73.8 but in far less games. 146 games coached .
When we get into arguing Paul Brown vrs Vince Lombardi - it's like arguing favorite ice cream flavors. In my world nothing beats mint chocolate chip ice cream. That doesn't mean I'm right. It just means you're not gonna prove I'm wrong.
Nobody, not even Vince Lombardi - led his team to 10 consecutive Pro Football Championship appearances (winning 7 of those) in their 1st 10 years as a Pro Football Head Coach. That was inclusive of making it to the NFL Title Game every one of the 1st 6 years the Browns participated in the NFL (winning 3 of the 6). That was after hearing all about "wait until they have to play REAL competition." They won the very 1st NFL Title Game they appeared in. More specifically, LAND HO!
You covered it all extremely well above so I'll just slip in 1 quick note. As for Paul Brown's winning championships at every level beginning with high school - he didn't just win multiple State Championships in Ohio. He also won 1 in Maryland.
2 former Paul Brown players went on to coach Multiple NFL Super Bowls/Dynasties. Paul Brown's former Messenger Guard Chuck Noll took the Steelers from nothing to our favorite NFL Team to hate. Don Shula was another former Cleveland Brown that appeared in 6 Super Bowls as a Head Coach. After losing his 1st Super Bowl appearance with the Colts in 68, he took the Dolphins to 5 Super Bowls (and won 2 of them). Shula is the only NFL Head Coach that combined a Super Bowl Championship with a perfect undefeated season in 1972 (the Browns took them into OT fwiw).
Other NFL Great Coaches that learned under Paul Brown? Ever hear of the West Coast Offense? Most of those components were from Paul Brown with some sprinkles Sid Gilman provided that former Paul Brown Assistant Coach Bill Walsh borrowed for the dynasty he built in SF. Many of Walsh's former Assistant Coaches inclusive of Andy Reid, Mike Holmgren and others enjoyed great success using the WCO with their teams. Former Paul Brown Assistant Weeb Ewbank went on to win 2 Titles as HC of the Colts and 1 Super Bowl Championship as HC of the Jets. Syd already mentioned and explained all this so I'm just piggy-backing some redundancy here because I join Syd in thinking a Championship Trophy should have been named after the guy. Maybe even just a Conference Championship Trophy. A Championship is a Championship whether it is called a Super Bowl Championship or a Championship Title.
When we get into arguing Paul Brown vrs Vince Lombardi - it's like arguing favorite ice cream flavors. In my world nothing beats mint chocolate chip ice cream. That doesn't mean I'm right. It just means you're not gonna prove I'm wrong.
Nobody, not even Vince Lombardi - led his team to 10 consecutive Pro Football Championship appearances (winning 7 of those) in their 1st 10 years as a Pro Football Head Coach. That was inclusive of making it to the NFL Title Game every one of the 1st 6 years the Browns participated in the NFL (winning 3 of the 6). That was after hearing all about "wait until they have to play REAL competition." They won the very 1st NFL Title Game they appeared in. More specifically, LAND HO!
You covered it all extremely well above so I'll just slip in 1 quick note. As for Paul Brown's winning championships at every level beginning with high school - he didn't just win multiple State Championships in Ohio. He also won 1 in Maryland.
2 former Paul Brown players went on to coach Multiple NFL Super Bowls/Dynasties. Paul Brown's former Messenger Guard Chuck Noll took the Steelers from nothing to our favorite NFL Team to hate. Don Shula was another former Cleveland Brown that appeared in 6 Super Bowls as a Head Coach. After losing his 1st Super Bowl appearance with the Colts in 68, he took the Dolphins to 5 Super Bowls (and won 2 of them). Shula is the only NFL Head Coach that combined a Super Bowl Championship with a perfect undefeated season in 1972 (the Browns took them into OT fwiw).
Other NFL Great Coaches that learned under Paul Brown? Ever hear of the West Coast Offense? Most of those components were from Paul Brown with some sprinkles Sid Gilman provided that former Paul Brown Assistant Coach Bill Walsh borrowed for the dynasty he built in SF. Many of Walsh's former Assistant Coaches inclusive of Andy Reid, Mike Holmgren and others enjoyed great success using the WCO with their teams. Former Paul Brown Assistant Weeb Ewbank went on to win 2 Titles as HC of the Colts and 1 Super Bowl Championship as HC of the Jets. Syd already mentioned and explained all this so I'm just piggy-backing some redundancy here because I join Syd in thinking a Championship Trophy should have been named after the guy. Maybe even just a Conference Championship Trophy. A Championship is a Championship whether it is called a Super Bowl Championship or a Championship Title.
Paul Brown has 3 NFL Championships. Sorry, but the AAFC was around only 4 years. I'm sure Browns fans are proud of winning the AAFC. I know it existed, but if you ask most NFL fans they have never even heard of it.
Look, someone here got upset that I posted something on the Super Bowl trophy being named after Vince Lombardi. Then he tried to make this a debate on Vince Lombardi vs. Paul Brown. I don't even consider Vince the greatest coach in Packers history. Curly Lambeau has a better resume than both Vince and Paul Brown. No disrespect to the Browns, but the Packers have several legendary coaches in their history to the Browns one.
If you want to sit here and try to one up the Packers franchise or their coaching history, you will lose and embarrass yourself every single time. Knock yourselves out though.
I respect the Browns history and all of the Paul Brown history, but it is silly to try and pretend either one is superior to Green Bay.
Now if you'll excuse me, I have a 70 mile drive to Door County to get going on.
Just saw the Packers end their preseason in style. Time to get ready to face Philly in Brazil now. It gets real in 13 days.
OneTeamOneNation
PackerNation!
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Browns are 7-13 all time against the Packers.
Browns are 7-13 all time against the Packers.
Off the top of my head...I believe the Browns are 7-14 against the Packers.
You may have forgot about the one postseason game. 1965 NFL Championship game.
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Well at least I can see it on NFL Network tonight.
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When we get into arguing Paul Brown vrs Vince Lombardi - it's like arguing favorite ice cream flavors. In my world nothing beats mint chocolate chip ice cream. That doesn't mean I'm right. It just means you're not gonna prove I'm wrong.
Nobody, not even Vince Lombardi - led his team to 10 consecutive Pro Football Championship appearances (winning 7 of those) in their 1st 10 years as a Pro Football Head Coach. That was inclusive of making it to the NFL Title Game every one of the 1st 6 years the Browns participated in the NFL (winning 3 of the 6). That was after hearing all about "wait until they have to play REAL competition." They won the very 1st NFL Title Game they appeared in. More specifically, LAND HO!
You covered it all extremely well above so I'll just slip in 1 quick note. As for Paul Brown's winning championships at every level beginning with high school - he didn't just win multiple State Championships in Ohio. He also won 1 in Maryland.
2 former Paul Brown players went on to coach Multiple NFL Super Bowls/Dynasties. Paul Brown's former Messenger Guard Chuck Noll took the Steelers from nothing to our favorite NFL Team to hate. Don Shula was another former Cleveland Brown that appeared in 6 Super Bowls as a Head Coach. After losing his 1st Super Bowl appearance with the Colts in 68, he took the Dolphins to 5 Super Bowls (and won 2 of them). Shula is the only NFL Head Coach that combined a Super Bowl Championship with a perfect undefeated season in 1972 (the Browns took them into OT fwiw).
Other NFL Great Coaches that learned under Paul Brown? Ever hear of the West Coast Offense? Most of those components were from Paul Brown with some sprinkles Sid Gilman provided that former Paul Brown Assistant Coach Bill Walsh borrowed for the dynasty he built in SF. Many of Walsh's former Assistant Coaches inclusive of Andy Reid, Mike Holmgren and others enjoyed great success using the WCO with their teams. Former Paul Brown Assistant Weeb Ewbank went on to win 2 Titles as HC of the Colts and 1 Super Bowl Championship as HC of the Jets. Syd already mentioned and explained all this so I'm just piggy-backing some redundancy here because I join Syd in thinking a Championship Trophy should have been named after the guy. Maybe even just a Conference Championship Trophy. A Championship is a Championship whether it is called a Super Bowl Championship or a Championship Title.
Paul Brown has 3 NFL Championships. Sorry, but the AAFC was around only 4 years. I'm sure Browns fans are proud of winning the AAFC. I know it existed, but if you ask most NFL fans they have never even heard of it.
Look, someone here got upset that I posted something on the Super Bowl trophy being named after Vince Lombardi. Then he tried to make this a debate on Vince Lombardi vs. Paul Brown. I don't even consider Vince the greatest coach in Packers history. Curly Lambeau has a better resume than both Vince and Paul Brown. No disrespect to the Browns, but the Packers have several legendary coaches in their history to the Browns one.
If you want to sit here and try to one up the Packers franchise or their coaching history, you will lose and embarrass yourself every single time. Knock yourselves out though.
I respect the Browns history and all of the Paul Brown history, but it is silly to try and pretend either one is superior to Green Bay.
Now if you'll excuse me, I have a 70 mile drive to Door County to get going on.
Just saw the Packers end their preseason in style. Time to get ready to face Philly in Brazil now. It gets real in 13 days.
OneTeamOneNation
PackerNation!
Look, someone here got upset that I posted something on the Super Bowl trophy being named after Vince Lombardi. Then he tried to make this a debate on Vince Lombardi vs. Paul Brown
no one got upset. just stated the facts. Sorry you have a problem with reality.
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Well at least I can see it on NFL Network tonight.
Well at least I can see it on NFL Network tonight.
and why bother ?
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Browns are 7-13 all time against the Packers.
Off the top of my head...I believe the Browns are 7-14 against the Packers.
You may have forgot about the one postseason game. 1965 NFL Championship game.
Off the top of my head...I believe the Browns are 7-14 against the Packers.
You may have forgot about the one postseason game. 1965 NFL Championship game.
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Off the top of my head...I believe the Browns are 7-14 against the Packers.
You may have forgot about the one postseason game. 1965 NFL Championship game.
That is regular season. As I said above, there was one postseason game: 1965 NFL Championship.
7-14 all-time
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That is regular season. As I said above, there was one postseason game: 1965 NFL Championship.
7-14 all-time
That is regular season. As I said above, there was one postseason game: 1965 NFL Championship.
7-14 all-time
7-14, you're right.
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