WHY ARE THE BROWNS BAD?
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Romeo Crennel NFL 2005-08 (0.375) 0-0-0
(Terry Robiskie NFL 2004* 1-4-0
Butch Davis NFL 2001-04 24-35-0
Chris Palmer NFL 1999-2000 5-27-0
Eric Mangini..1st year Right now
Not one coach/regime over 3 years. There is no way this team will be successful if we continue to have a revolving door of coaches and GM's. Granted; the ownership has not exactly brought us in the best guys in the world for coaches. I think we have to give Mangini at LEAST 6 years due to his age and experience. Allow him time to grow and learn as a coach, get a handful of HIS drafts/players in place (same for Kokonis).
There is Zero chance of having a winning team on the field or even a competative team when you rebuild and turn over the roster every 3 years. Even a terrible as the Bengals upper management is.. are smart enough to keep Marvin Lewis...he is now going into year #7. He has had 1 playoff (winning season) But at least has gone 8-8 three other years, 7-9 one season.. The Bunghole fans can at least watch the team and say "we're close" and have HOPE for the playoffs.....last year was the worst only winning 4 games.(no qb)
I hate to make a comparison with the Bungholes because I hate them too.. but it's to make this point. They have allowed Lewis to run his course... I think they could be a suprise team this year and would be 2-0 if not for a fluke play where a ball got tipped to a receiver in Denver..Coach Lewis will have to start making playoffs soon or he may be out...but they have at least allowed him an honest amount of time to prove himself and he's still young. Mangini will still be a young coach in 7 years.
I am not sold on Mangini.. But I look to the team he left in NY. It certainly appears to be headed the right direction...much of what he built and brought in there.. A team WE could love.. Tough, tough defense, and a strong run game.. that's Cleveland football. I can see him trying to do that here too. Again, I am not in love with Mangini..but much as I am ready to ride with Quinn for the season...
I am willling to ride with Mangini until 2015 or so because WE DESERVE IT. I don't want to see this team ripped apart again by a new regime. Give us a chance, give Mangini time to give us a consistent coaching staff and management.. GO BROWNS
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Romeo Crennel NFL 2005-08 (0.375) 0-0-0
(Terry Robiskie NFL 2004* 1-4-0
Butch Davis NFL 2001-04 24-35-0
Chris Palmer NFL 1999-2000 5-27-0
Eric Mangini..1st year Right now
Not one coach/regime over 3 years. There is no way this team will be successful if we continue to have a revolving door of coaches and GM's. Granted; the ownership has not exactly brought us in the best guys in the world for coaches. I think we have to give Mangini at LEAST 6 years due to his age and experience. Allow him time to grow and learn as a coach, get a handful of HIS drafts/players in place (same for Kokonis).
There is Zero chance of having a winning team on the field or even a competative team when you rebuild and turn over the roster every 3 years. Even a terrible as the Bengals upper management is.. are smart enough to keep Marvin Lewis...he is now going into year #7. He has had 1 playoff (winning season) But at least has gone 8-8 three other years, 7-9 one season.. The Bunghole fans can at least watch the team and say "we're close" and have HOPE for the playoffs.....last year was the worst only winning 4 games.(no qb)
I hate to make a comparison with the Bungholes because I hate them too.. but it's to make this point. They have allowed Lewis to run his course... I think they could be a suprise team this year and would be 2-0 if not for a fluke play where a ball got tipped to a receiver in Denver..Coach Lewis will have to start making playoffs soon or he may be out...but they have at least allowed him an honest amount of time to prove himself and he's still young. Mangini will still be a young coach in 7 years.
I am not sold on Mangini.. But I look to the team he left in NY. It certainly appears to be headed the right direction...much of what he built and brought in there.. A team WE could love.. Tough, tough defense, and a strong run game.. that's Cleveland football. I can see him trying to do that here too. Again, I am not in love with Mangini..but much as I am ready to ride with Quinn for the season...
I am willling to ride with Mangini until 2015 or so because WE DESERVE IT. I don't want to see this team ripped apart again by a new regime. Give us a chance, give Mangini time to give us a consistent coaching staff and management.. GO BROWNS
Romeo Crennel NFL 2005-08 (0.375) 0-0-0
(Terry Robiskie NFL 2004* 1-4-0
Butch Davis NFL 2001-04 24-35-0
Chris Palmer NFL 1999-2000 5-27-0
Eric Mangini..1st year Right now
Not one coach/regime over 3 years. There is no way this team will be successful if we continue to have a revolving door of coaches and GM's. Granted; the ownership has not exactly brought us in the best guys in the world for coaches. I think we have to give Mangini at LEAST 6 years due to his age and experience. Allow him time to grow and learn as a coach, get a handful of HIS drafts/players in place (same for Kokonis).
There is Zero chance of having a winning team on the field or even a competative team when you rebuild and turn over the roster every 3 years. Even a terrible as the Bengals upper management is.. are smart enough to keep Marvin Lewis...he is now going into year #7. He has had 1 playoff (winning season) But at least has gone 8-8 three other years, 7-9 one season.. The Bunghole fans can at least watch the team and say "we're close" and have HOPE for the playoffs.....last year was the worst only winning 4 games.(no qb)
I hate to make a comparison with the Bungholes because I hate them too.. but it's to make this point. They have allowed Lewis to run his course... I think they could be a suprise team this year and would be 2-0 if not for a fluke play where a ball got tipped to a receiver in Denver..Coach Lewis will have to start making playoffs soon or he may be out...but they have at least allowed him an honest amount of time to prove himself and he's still young. Mangini will still be a young coach in 7 years.
I am not sold on Mangini.. But I look to the team he left in NY. It certainly appears to be headed the right direction...much of what he built and brought in there.. A team WE could love.. Tough, tough defense, and a strong run game.. that's Cleveland football. I can see him trying to do that here too. Again, I am not in love with Mangini..but much as I am ready to ride with Quinn for the season...
I am willling to ride with Mangini until 2015 or so because WE DESERVE IT. I don't want to see this team ripped apart again by a new regime. Give us a chance, give Mangini time to give us a consistent coaching staff and management.. GO BROWNS
Quinn is in the game Anderson is not
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Romeo Crennel NFL 2005-08 (0.375) 0-0-0
(Terry Robiskie NFL 2004* 1-4-0
Butch Davis NFL 2001-04 24-35-0
Chris Palmer NFL 1999-2000 5-27-0
Eric Mangini..1st year Right now
Not one coach/regime over 3 years. There is no way this team will be successful if we continue to have a revolving door of coaches and GM's. Granted; the ownership has not exactly brought us in the best guys in the world for coaches. I think we have to give Mangini at LEAST 6 years due to his age and experience. Allow him time to grow and learn as a coach, get a handful of HIS drafts/players in place (same for Kokonis).
There is Zero chance of having a winning team on the field or even a competative team when you rebuild and turn over the roster every 3 years. Even a terrible as the Bengals upper management is.. are smart enough to keep Marvin Lewis...he is now going into year #7. He has had 1 playoff (winning season) But at least has gone 8-8 three other years, 7-9 one season.. The Bunghole fans can at least watch the team and say "we're close" and have HOPE for the playoffs.....last year was the worst only winning 4 games.(no qb)
I hate to make a comparison with the Bungholes because I hate them too.. but it's to make this point. They have allowed Lewis to run his course... I think they could be a suprise team this year and would be 2-0 if not for a fluke play where a ball got tipped to a receiver in Denver..Coach Lewis will have to start making playoffs soon or he may be out...but they have at least allowed him an honest amount of time to prove himself and he's still young. Mangini will still be a young coach in 7 years.
I am not sold on Mangini.. But I look to the team he left in NY. It certainly appears to be headed the right direction...much of what he built and brought in there.. A team WE could love.. Tough, tough defense, and a strong run game.. that's Cleveland football. I can see him trying to do that here too. Again, I am not in love with Mangini..but much as I am ready to ride with Quinn for the season...
I am willling to ride with Mangini until 2015 or so because WE DESERVE IT. I don't want to see this team ripped apart again by a new regime. Give us a chance, give Mangini time to give us a consistent coaching staff and management.. GO BROWNS
Romeo Crennel NFL 2005-08 (0.375) 0-0-0
(Terry Robiskie NFL 2004* 1-4-0
Butch Davis NFL 2001-04 24-35-0
Chris Palmer NFL 1999-2000 5-27-0
Eric Mangini..1st year Right now
Not one coach/regime over 3 years. There is no way this team will be successful if we continue to have a revolving door of coaches and GM's. Granted; the ownership has not exactly brought us in the best guys in the world for coaches. I think we have to give Mangini at LEAST 6 years due to his age and experience. Allow him time to grow and learn as a coach, get a handful of HIS drafts/players in place (same for Kokonis).
There is Zero chance of having a winning team on the field or even a competative team when you rebuild and turn over the roster every 3 years. Even a terrible as the Bengals upper management is.. are smart enough to keep Marvin Lewis...he is now going into year #7. He has had 1 playoff (winning season) But at least has gone 8-8 three other years, 7-9 one season.. The Bunghole fans can at least watch the team and say "we're close" and have HOPE for the playoffs.....last year was the worst only winning 4 games.(no qb)
I hate to make a comparison with the Bungholes because I hate them too.. but it's to make this point. They have allowed Lewis to run his course... I think they could be a suprise team this year and would be 2-0 if not for a fluke play where a ball got tipped to a receiver in Denver..Coach Lewis will have to start making playoffs soon or he may be out...but they have at least allowed him an honest amount of time to prove himself and he's still young. Mangini will still be a young coach in 7 years.
I am not sold on Mangini.. But I look to the team he left in NY. It certainly appears to be headed the right direction...much of what he built and brought in there.. A team WE could love.. Tough, tough defense, and a strong run game.. that's Cleveland football. I can see him trying to do that here too. Again, I am not in love with Mangini..but much as I am ready to ride with Quinn for the season...
I am willling to ride with Mangini until 2015 or so because WE DESERVE IT. I don't want to see this team ripped apart again by a new regime. Give us a chance, give Mangini time to give us a consistent coaching staff and management.. GO BROWNS
You could be on to something. I just want to see us getting better each week and this week would be just seeing a 4 quarter performance.
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Getting your expansion team with limited talent was a bad start. Not drafting enough impact players prolonged the futility.
I thought the BQ pick was pretty huge at the time and it still might turn out to be so. Don't forget, this kid's still a sprout and being under constant scrutiny on a shitty team doesn't do much for a kids confidence.
K2 was a fantastic pic and he blew up. Aside from that, your high picks have been marginal so far.
Picking up guys in FA rarely works unless it's filling gaps with middle of the road guys. Ask Danny Snyder, he annually spends truckloads of cash in FA but when's the last time they sniffed the playoffs?
DA's never going to amount to anything and I would think being patient with BQ would be the best long term solution. That and drafting defense first. You can become a better team by putting a good D together, the offense can come together after that. Keep the O-line solid.
WR's can be developed, trade BE for prospects. He's fallen from many graces at this point.
But the biggest point is, quoting Dennis Green - "yinz are who yinz though you were". Gotta suck this one up. Until you get the right mix of talent on that team, yinz are going to struggle to find that silver cloud and IMO - Mangina is a band aid. Yinz need a guy who can gut that team, carve off all the fat and develop guys from within. Mangina's not that guy, he's a warm body at best with a perceived pedigree, and unfortunately yinz are married to the guy for at least a couple years.
Pay attention to next year's draft. If yinz are drafting all offensive guys, start drinking heavily. It'll numb the prolonged suffering because it's a sign that Mangina wants a quick fix and that's not the solution.
Regards
.... an'at
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Thank you for an honest and serious post Steelerschuck.
You are correct. We have to draft D High and often. We CANNOT miss on the first three rounds. Maybe a OL man in there.
WE CANNOT, I REPEAT CANNOT DRAFT A QB IN THE FIRST 4 ROUNDS. WE HAVE TO LET QUINN GET SETTLED IN AN PERFECT THE OFFENSE HE HAS.
WE CANNOT, I REPEAT CANNOT KEEP TURNING OVER COACHES AND QB'S!!!!!!!!!!
IS THIS THAT DIFFICULT TO FIGURE OUT?!?! LOOK AT WHAT THE SUCCESSFUL TEAMS DO!!!!! ALL NFL TEAMS HAVE ENOUGH TALENT TO COMPETE.
STABILITY....CONTINUITY.....SYSTEM FAMILIARITY......CREATES CONFIDENCE AND PASSION FOR THE GAME!!!!!!!!
THIS IS WHAT THE BROWNS, LIONS, RAIDERS, REDSKINS DON'T HAVE AND WHY THEY KEEP LOSING!!!!!
HOLY SHIT MY HEAD IS CLOSE TO EXPLODING.......
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Thank you for an honest and serious post Steelerschuck.
You are correct. We have to draft D High and often. We CANNOT miss on the first three rounds. Maybe a OL man in there.
WE CANNOT, I REPEAT CANNOT DRAFT A QB IN THE FIRST 4 ROUNDS. WE HAVE TO LET QUINN GET SETTLED IN AN PERFECT THE OFFENSE HE HAS.
WE CANNOT, I REPEAT CANNOT KEEP TURNING OVER COACHES AND QB'S!!!!!!!!!!
IS THIS THAT DIFFICULT TO FIGURE OUT?!?! LOOK AT WHAT THE SUCCESSFUL TEAMS DO!!!!! ALL NFL TEAMS HAVE ENOUGH TALENT TO COMPETE.
STABILITY....CONTINUITY.....SYSTEM FAMILIARITY......CREATES CONFIDENCE AND PASSION FOR THE GAME!!!!!!!!
THIS IS WHAT THE BROWNS, LIONS, RAIDERS, REDSKINS DON'T HAVE AND WHY THEY KEEP LOSING!!!!!
HOLY SHIT MY HEAD IS CLOSE TO EXPLODING.......
Thank you for an honest and serious post Steelerschuck.
You are correct. We have to draft D High and often. We CANNOT miss on the first three rounds. Maybe a OL man in there.
WE CANNOT, I REPEAT CANNOT DRAFT A QB IN THE FIRST 4 ROUNDS. WE HAVE TO LET QUINN GET SETTLED IN AN PERFECT THE OFFENSE HE HAS.
WE CANNOT, I REPEAT CANNOT KEEP TURNING OVER COACHES AND QB'S!!!!!!!!!!
IS THIS THAT DIFFICULT TO FIGURE OUT?!?! LOOK AT WHAT THE SUCCESSFUL TEAMS DO!!!!! ALL NFL TEAMS HAVE ENOUGH TALENT TO COMPETE.
STABILITY....CONTINUITY.....SYSTEM FAMILIARITY......CREATES CONFIDENCE AND PASSION FOR THE GAME!!!!!!!!
THIS IS WHAT THE BROWNS, LIONS, RAIDERS, REDSKINS DON'T HAVE AND WHY THEY KEEP LOSING!!!!!
HOLY SHIT MY HEAD IS CLOSE TO EXPLODING.......
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CAPS LOCK IS USEFUL WHEN YOU'RE HOPING RANDY LERNER IS READING YOU POST.
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You know chuck for a Steeler troll you have some pretty good knowledge of the Browns. Although, I'd rather you make fun of us because that means we're not sucking as bad
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Getting your expansion team with limited talent was a bad start. Not drafting enough impact players prolonged the futility.
I thought the BQ pick was pretty huge at the time and it still might turn out to be so. Don't forget, this kid's still a sprout and being under constant scrutiny on a shitty team doesn't do much for a kids confidence.
K2 was a fantastic pic and he blew up. Aside from that, your high picks have been marginal so far.
Picking up guys in FA rarely works unless it's filling gaps with middle of the road guys. Ask Danny Snyder, he annually spends truckloads of cash in FA but when's the last time they sniffed the playoffs?
DA's never going to amount to anything and I would think being patient with BQ would be the best long term solution. That and drafting defense first. You can become a better team by putting a good D together, the offense can come together after that. Keep the O-line solid.
WR's can be developed, trade BE for prospects. He's fallen from many graces at this point.
But the biggest point is, quoting Dennis Green - "yinz are who yinz though you were". Gotta suck this one up. Until you get the right mix of talent on that team, yinz are going to struggle to find that silver cloud and IMO - Mangina is a band aid. Yinz need a guy who can gut that team, carve off all the fat and develop guys from within. Mangina's not that guy, he's a warm body at best with a perceived pedigree, and unfortunately yinz are married to the guy for at least a couple years.
Pay attention to next year's draft. If yinz are drafting all offensive guys, start drinking heavily. It'll numb the prolonged suffering because it's a sign that Mangina wants a quick fix and that's not the solution.
Regards
.... an'at
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Steeler SChuck said:
Getting your expansion team with limited talent was a bad start. Not drafting enough impact players prolonged the futility.I thought the BQ pick was pretty huge at the time and it still might turn out to be so. Don't forget, this kid's still a sprout and being under constant scrutiny on a shitty team doesn't do much for a kids confidence.
K2 was a fantastic pic and he blew up. Aside from that, your high picks have been marginal so far.
Picking up guys in FA rarely works unless it's filling gaps with middle of the road guys. Ask Danny Snyder, he annually spends truckloads of cash in FA but when's the last time they sniffed the playoffs?
DA's never going to amount to anything and I would think being patient with BQ would be the best long term solution. That and drafting defense first. You can become a better team by putting a good D together, the offense can come together after that. Keep the O-line solid.
WR's can be developed, trade BE for prospects. He's fallen from many graces at this point.
But the biggest point is, quoting Dennis Green - "yinz are who yinz though you were". Gotta suck this one up. Until you get the right mix of talent on that team, yinz are going to struggle to find that silver cloud and IMO - Mangina is a band aid. Yinz need a guy who can gut that team, carve off all the fat and develop guys from within. Mangina's not that guy, he's a warm body at best with a perceived pedigree, and unfortunately yinz are married to the guy for at least a couple years.
Pay attention to next year's draft. If yinz are drafting all offensive guys, start drinking heavily. It'll numb the prolonged suffering because it's a sign that Mangina wants a quick fix and that's not the solution.
Regards
.... an'at
.
Nice analysis for a stooler fan you know your rivals bad traits well chuck and i agree completely an immediate impact position that would help right now would be at safety and this club hasnt had a game impacting safety in years and it shows a impact LB wouldnt hurt either...i think mangini may be a thrifty drafter and may be able to land a decent RG and RT on a basement bargain hunt in the 4th to 7th rd..
Im hoping mankok takes the rebuild route over the quick fix even though when your team is about to go 0-3 the quick fix starts sounding good....hehehehe
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The Browns haven't had dominating offensive or defensive lines.
You can interchange rb's and qb's, but even though, yes, they would be different talents,
you still need those guys up front.
The Browns oline has finally been fixed on the left side and at center. ah well. We'll see what the Browns do to
fix the leaks from the right side. At least St. Claire and Pork Chop can hold their ground and don't get pushed
backwards into Quinn. Well, they can go around, but not through anymore.
Our defensive line looks pretty good to me, with Rogers in there, epecially, But the Browns still don't have a shut down cb,
The Browns can't just fix the weaknesses in one season under Mangini. Getting Robieski in there to get open quickly would
make a world of difference to the offense.
I predict a Browns win, dangit.
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WHY ARE THE BROWNS BAD?
'Cause it's not 1962?
Pops
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didnt the Jets spend a lot of money on FA's ?
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Romeo Crennel NFL 2005-08 (0.375) 0-0-0
(Terry Robiskie NFL 2004* 1-4-0
Butch Davis NFL 2001-04 24-35-0
Chris Palmer NFL 1999-2000 5-27-0
Eric Mangini..1st year Right now
Well maybe it is not the coaching, GM or players.
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didnt the Jets spend a lot of money on FA's ?
didnt the Jets spend a lot of money on FA's ?
Yes they did, and there is nothing wrong with free agents if you get good ones. HOWEVER.. I did go look at who they have drafted in the past 3 years.. Mangini's drafts.. Several Good solid picks are at the core of the current team. D'brick Furgeson T , Nick mangold C , Dustin Keller TE, d. lowery DB, Darrelle Revis DB, David Harris LB, Kellen Clemens, Leon Washington, Chansi Stucki to name a few he drafted that are on the current Roster.. They also had some players from prior drafts still on the team too. But Mangini did a good job with what he had and made major contributions to the team that is on the field this year. It seems to me he knows what he is doing. He was handed a crap team and is trying to make the best of it.. I never expected this team to be very good this year or even next year..what I do expect is for the owner to finally allow at least ONE coach to stick around long enough to see a plan through..
3 years and rebuild again with a new coach/gm is no plan at all..that is exactly what we have done the past 10 years.
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2015???
That is a looooong rope. -
Steeler Chuck is mostly correct. The drafts since 1999 have yielded few impact players. Attempts in the free agent market haven't done much better except for Shaun Rogers. It isn't about the Xs and the Os it is about the players. I think Mangini/Kokinis truely understand this and will build a tough and talented team.
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