JOK's Helmet
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Seems like there’s conflicting info on whether or not they make a difference. Probably negligible, but better than nothing. The company behind them obviously has an incentive to overstate their effectiveness
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Or maybe. ... like eating with some of you dudes at a fine restaurent.
( j/k you know that. ... lol.)
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(Image credit: 20th Century Fox)
Or maybe. ... like eating with some of you dudes at a fine restaurent.
( j/k you know that. ... lol.)
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I don't see how they could...but baby steps are better than none.
How do you stop someone's brain from sloshing against their skull?
Easy. Take off facemasks and go back to leather helmets. Players would self-regulate in short order and quit aiming for the head and leading by the head.
Rugby is a rough and tumble sport. Those players don't wear helmets. You don't read about the number of concussions in that sport.
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I don't see how they could...but baby steps are better than none.
How do you stop someone's brain from sloshing against their skull?
Easy. Take off facemasks and go back to leather helmets. Players would self-regulate in short order and quit aiming for the head and leading by the head.
Rugby is a rough and tumble sport. Those players don't wear helmets. You don't read about the number of concussions in that sport.
Easy. Take off facemasks and go back to leather helmets. Players would self-regulate in short order and quit aiming for the head and leading by the head.
Rugby is a rough and tumble sport. Those players don't wear helmets. You don't read about the number of concussions in that sport.
You do in soccer however. And of course they get terrible knee injuries almost every collision. You can tell the agony they are in.?
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Guardian Caps may work now, but when bigger, stronger athletes can produce more force in less space then the technology of the equipment is going to have to be able to increase with the abilities of the athletes. And we're seeing the increase in safety technology is insufficient in solely expecting that to take away concussions.
Yeah, great point. The players are bigger, stronger, faster, because they have to work at their bodies all year long now. And as you say, there's only so much technology can do (currently). That's why there's rule changes for safety purposes. But how far do you go with that? Do you say, OK, nobody can lead with their helmet....RB, WR, LB'er, DB, nobody. You can't ever lower your head. You have to lead with your head up. Even on 4th and 1. Somehow you would have to remove the head from the game.
Yeah, great point. The players are bigger, stronger, faster, because they have to work at their bodies all year long now. And as you say, there's only so much technology can do (currently). That's why there's rule changes for safety purposes. But how far do you go with that? Do you say, OK, nobody can lead with their helmet....RB, WR, LB'er, DB, nobody. You can't ever lower your head. You have to lead with your head up. Even on 4th and 1. Somehow you would have to remove the head from the game.
Easy. Take off facemasks and go back to leather helmets. Players would self-regulate in short order and quit aiming for the head and leading by the head.
Rugby is a rough and tumble sport. Those players don't wear helmets. You don't read about the number of concussions in that sport.
Thanks Ballpeen! I was thinking the exact same thing. I'm sure there are more proponents, but I specifically remember Joe Paterno saying in an interview, "You want to reduce concussions? Take the facemask off the helmet."
You do in soccer however. And of course they get terrible knee injuries almost every collision. You can tell the agony they are in.?
This is correct. And every soccer Dad will tell you soccer is a contact sport in order to make their sons sound tougher. Maybe it is. I don't know, I'm not into it. Those coaches don't prepare their players for collisions. Football and rugby are collision sports. Tackling is practiced daily in rugby. DAILY. They are masters and their bodies are prepared.
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Easy. Take off facemasks and go back to leather helmets. Players would self-regulate in short order and quit aiming for the head and leading by the head.
Rugby is a rough and tumble sport. Those players don't wear helmets. You don't read about the number of concussions in that sport.
You do in soccer however. And of course they get terrible knee injuries almost every collision. You can tell the agony they are in.?
You do in soccer however. And of course they get terrible knee injuries almost every collision. You can tell the agony they are in.?
While true; rugby has a lot of contact from close proximity collisions. The scrums (or whatever they call it) don't have guys spread out all over the place for run-up collisions. The physics of it all appear to be a lot safer. Also, there's no helmets to be used as a weapon like James Harrison used to use on guys going over the middle. He wasn't the only one in the league in doing that - he just comes to mind for his hits on Josh Cribbs, Mo Mass and others here. Harrison's neck had the circumference of an oak tree so he could do that forever. No helmets = no weapon.
Back to the spacing and physics. In the NFL, LBers, Corners and Safeties with good speed are running across the field to smash a receiver that has to stop or slow down to close in on a pass. The NFL encourages all this with their adjustments to the rules over the years to favor the passing game right down offensive linemen being able to extend their arms while protecting passers. And why? More points scored = higher TV ratings. Higher TV rating perpetuate the NFL Ticket Monopoly supplying most/all owners with the highest shared revenues of their lifetimes as owners. It's way more than home attendance gets them. This is why the NFL Commish is marketing the league to the other side of the Atlantic Ocean and South America. It's all about the money. If they REALLY cared about head trauma like they pretend to - Ballpeen's idea about returning to the leather helmets is a start as long as they find a better way to protect eyes, noses and mouths when using those.
Rugby is in America believe it or not; but it doesn't captivate audiences yet (if ever), When I went to college they had a rugby team but it was club. They didn't get crowds to their games just like the soccer team. Rugby had a cool tradition. They always drank a keg with the visiting team after the games. That's some cool stuff right there. It was set up like a travelling fraternity.
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I don't see how they could...but baby steps are better than none.
How do you stop someone's brain from sloshing against their skull?
Easy. Take off facemasks and go back to leather helmets. Players would self-regulate in short order and quit aiming for the head and leading by the head.
Rugby is a rough and tumble sport. Those players don't wear helmets. You don't read about the number of concussions in that sport.
Easy. Take off facemasks and go back to leather helmets. Players would self-regulate in short order and quit aiming for the head and leading by the head.
Rugby is a rough and tumble sport. Those players don't wear helmets. You don't read about the number of concussions in that sport.
I thought of that before posting but dismissed it. Football is a different game than rugby. The downfield passing changes the whole dynamic. QB's scrambling, you've got to get to him before he throws it, blitzers coming free with a head of steam coming right at him. DB's trying to break up passes smashing into receivers right when the ball arrives. Etc. Sometimes your head just happens to be in the wrong spot.
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Easy. Take off facemasks and go back to leather helmets. Players would self-regulate in short order and quit aiming for the head and leading by the head.
Rugby is a rough and tumble sport. Those players don't wear helmets. You don't read about the number of concussions in that sport.
I thought of that before posting but dismissed it. Football is a different game than rugby. The downfield passing changes the whole dynamic. QB's scrambling, you've got to get to him before he throws it, blitzers coming free with a head of steam coming right at him. DB's trying to break up passes smashing into receivers right when the ball arrives. Etc. Sometimes your head just happens to be in the wrong spot.
I thought of that before posting but dismissed it. Football is a different game than rugby. The downfield passing changes the whole dynamic. QB's scrambling, you've got to get to him before he throws it, blitzers coming free with a head of steam coming right at him. DB's trying to break up passes smashing into receivers right when the ball arrives. Etc. Sometimes your head just happens to be in the wrong spot.
Correct. It's a practical solution. It's NOT a pragmatic solution.
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And now for my science fair report...
The Guardian Cap Website says GCs reduce force by up to 33%.
The NFL claims the caps have reduced concussions by 50%.
The NFL's data says the caps reduce force by 10%.
The way the caps move around the helmet as opposed to being stuck to the helmet is done to reduce neck injuries, which makes sense...rather the cap be the weak point in the collision chain than a neck.
As a kid, I remember Mark Kelso from the Bills wearing an extra layer in his helmet. Steve Wallace from the 49ers uses to wear one as well, but I don't remember him.
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You're all wrong.
They're big, big shower caps. JoK just forgot to take his off before the game.
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Looks kinda' goofy if you don't have it on straight. And during the game it was easy to spot him. He was the one with the big head.
I thought Ward said he was going to wear one during games after he got his last concussion, but he hasn't.
Looks kinda' goofy if you don't have it on straight. And during the game it was easy to spot him. He was the one with the big head.
I thought Ward said he was going to wear one during games after he got his last concussion, but he hasn't.
These stupid things are not going to stop or reduce concussions.
A concussion happens when your skull rapidly stops moving while your brain continues on and bashes the inside of your skill.
If anything, I have to think that by increasing the length of the head-to the base of the neck distance it will increase spinal injuries.
If you want to reduce concussions, get rid of the helmets.
But nobody wants a slower NASCAR.
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Looks kinda' goofy if you don't have it on straight. And during the game it was easy to spot him. He was the one with the big head.
I thought Ward said he was going to wear one during games after he got his last concussion, but he hasn't.
These stupid things are not going to stop or reduce concussions.
A concussion happens when your skull rapidly stops moving while your brain continues on and bashes the inside of your skill.
If anything, I have to think that by increasing the length of the head-to the base of the neck distance it will increase spinal injuries.
If you want to reduce concussions, get rid of the helmets.
But nobody wants a slower NASCAR.
These stupid things are not going to stop or reduce concussions.
A concussion happens when your skull rapidly stops moving while your brain continues on and bashes the inside of your skill.
It has to reduce the energy transferred to one's head as some energy is lost from the padding...like a crumple zone in the nascar. The question is what is the actual amount of dissipation and does that translate to any real protection. I've seen some numbers from the NFL...but I'd like an independent lab's results for comparison.
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Well, that's a good thing that JOK seems to like it.
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Easy. Take off facemasks and go back to leather helmets. Players would self-regulate in short order and quit aiming for the head and leading by the head.
Rugby is a rough and tumble sport. Those players don't wear helmets. You don't read about the number of concussions in that sport.
You do in soccer however. And of course they get terrible knee injuries almost every collision. You can tell the agony they are in.?
You do in soccer however. And of course they get terrible knee injuries almost every collision. You can tell the agony they are in.?
More concussions in soccer than you'd think. Of course, you're literally using you head at some points so I guess it isn't that surprising. I've gotten a concussion playing.
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You do in soccer however. And of course they get terrible knee injuries almost every collision. You can tell the agony they are in.?
More concussions in soccer than you'd think. Of course, you're literally using you head at some points so I guess it isn't that surprising. I've gotten a concussion playing.
More concussions in soccer than you'd think. Of course, you're literally using you head at some points so I guess it isn't that surprising. I've gotten a concussion playing.
Was that concussion from playing soccer or popping pimples? Yeah, I guess there's soccer fans in England that drink enough to wake up feeling like they have a concussion symptom or 2.
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