The Official Browns at Steelers Game Thread Dec 8th
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Now getting back to football. I honestly don't know how much more of this crap football I can take- and if you're interested me and MJP are\were almost exactly the same age.
Two shit interceptions- the first being particularly bad. Two more missed field goals, better clean out your locker Hopkins you're done. A dumb f**k roll out on fourth and a yard- how many times have we gotten stuffed on a play like that? Oh and a muffed punt to top it off. Welcome to the Clown Show.
PS... I;ve been hearing rumors should Jimmuh successfully build his Dum-dum Dome in Berea he's going to try and extort us season ticket holders tens of thousands of dollars to re-up our 100 level seats. Shove it Haslam- I've got better things to spend my money on than that shit product you're consistently putting out there on the field. I may have to even consider not re-upping after yet another disaster of a season. Can't hardly give away tickets in the 100 level this year, even at a 50% discount.
My take? Fire Dorsey now, and Depodesta at the end of the season.
My take? Fire Dorsey now
Nobody is ever going to agree with every play call that a play caller makes.
I'm just glad it's not Stef that's getting the blame anymore. (of course, Stef could've over ruled)
BEING A BROWNS FAN IS A TEST TO SEE HOW MUCH YOU CAN TAKE -
@horse-balls said:
FY56 is a homo.
Horse balls has a pussy.
Way to get this thread off to a good start asshole.
You wonder why I don't post much anymore? the first 1\2 of the game thread was horseshit like this.
Gee, I still have my Mod powers- should I perma ban that Packer troll? Nah- you guys seem to enjoy insulting one another.
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Now getting back to football. I honestly don't know how much more of this crap football I can take- and if you're interested me and MJP are\were almost exactly the same age.
Two shit interceptions- the first being particularly bad. Two more missed field goals, better clean out your locker Hopkins you're done. A dumb f**k roll out on fourth and a yard- how many times have we gotten stuffed on a play like that? Oh and a muffed punt to top it off. Welcome to the Clown Show.
PS... I;ve been hearing rumors should Jimmuh successfully build his Dum-dum Dome in Berea he's going to try and extort us season ticket holders tens of thousands of dollars to re-up our 100 level seats. Shove it Haslam- I've got better things to spend my money on than that shit product you're consistently putting out there on the field. I may have to even consider not re-upping after yet another disaster of a season. Can't hardly give away tickets in the 100 level this year, even at a 50% discount.
My take? Fire Dorsey now, and Depodesta at the end of the season.
Now getting back to football. I honestly don't know how much more of this crap football I can take- and if you're interested me and MJP are\were almost exactly the same age.
Two shit interceptions- the first being particularly bad. Two more missed field goals, better clean out your locker Hopkins you're done. A dumb f**k roll out on fourth and a yard- how many times have we gotten stuffed on a play like that? Oh and a muffed punt to top it off. Welcome to the Clown Show.
PS... I;ve been hearing rumors should Jimmuh successfully build his Dum-dum Dome in Berea he's going to try and extort us season ticket holders tens of thousands of dollars to re-up our 100 level seats. Shove it Haslam- I've got better things to spend my money on than that shit product you're consistently putting out there on the field. I may have to even consider not re-upping after yet another disaster of a season. Can't hardly give away tickets in the 100 level this year, even at a 50% discount.
My take? Fire Dorsey now, and Depodesta at the end of the season.
I wasn't going to renew this year but did anyway.
The thing about the Browns office, it's very cold to fans. I'm not sure people are aware of it, but the response I received from my ticket agent really pissed me off. I e mailed about me waiting to send payment in after the draft. I don't think that's such a big deal, to make a request like that. Here's the reply:
Karlis Missed -
Now getting back to football. I honestly don't know how much more of this crap football I can take- and if you're interested me and MJP are\were almost exactly the same age.
Two shit interceptions- the first being particularly bad. Two more missed field goals, better clean out your locker Hopkins you're done. A dumb f**k roll out on fourth and a yard- how many times have we gotten stuffed on a play like that? Oh and a muffed punt to top it off. Welcome to the Clown Show.
PS... I;ve been hearing rumors should Jimmuh successfully build his Dum-dum Dome in Berea he's going to try and extort us season ticket holders tens of thousands of dollars to re-up our 100 level seats. Shove it Haslam- I've got better things to spend my money on than that shit product you're consistently putting out there on the field. I may have to even consider not re-upping after yet another disaster of a season. Can't hardly give away tickets in the 100 level this year, even at a 50% discount.
My take? Fire Dorsey now, and Depodesta at the end of the season.
My take? Fire Dorsey now, and Depodesta at the end of the season.
I'm assuming you mean Berry?
I can't see how a team can swing and miss so horribly on a trade and contract like they did and SOMEONE doesn't pay, but for some reason I have this weird feeling Berry keeps his job.
Edit: Ken Dorsey should be canned, got it. For some reason I thought you had a brain fart and was mixing up John Dorsey for Berry ?
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Nobody is ever going to agree with every play call that a play caller makes.
I'm just glad it's not Stef that's getting the blame anymore. (of course, Stef could've over ruled)
I'd love to see Stefanski actually be able to have a QB drafted that fits his offense.
And no, that definitely is not DTR.
I'd still consider Beck or Allar if they fell in the draft.
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Nobody is ever going to agree with every play call that a play caller makes.
I'm just glad it's not Stef that's getting the blame anymore. (of course, Stef could've over ruled)
I'd love to see Stefanski actually be able to have a QB drafted that fits his offense.
And no, that definitely is not DTR.
I'd still consider Beck or Allar if they fell in the draft.
I'd love to see Stefanski actually be able to have a QB drafted that fits his offense.
And no, that definitely is not DTR.
I'd still consider Beck or Allar if they fell in the draft.
They should can Dorsey for a guy more specialized in the kubiak/shanahan style offense then.
This weird gun slinging RPO thing they got with Dorsey just isn’t stefanskis cup of tea.
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I'd love to see Stefanski actually be able to have a QB drafted that fits his offense.
And no, that definitely is not DTR.
I'd still consider Beck or Allar if they fell in the draft.
They should can Dorsey for a guy more specialized in the kubiak/shanahan style offense then.
This weird gun slinging RPO thing they got with Dorsey just isn’t stefanskis cup of tea.
They should can Dorsey for a guy more specialized in the kubiak/shanahan style offense then.
This weird gun slinging RPO thing they got with Dorsey just isn’t stefanskis cup of tea.
It would be fine if we were running a Traditional WCO
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Now getting back to football. I honestly don't know how much more of this crap football I can take- and if you're interested me and MJP are\were almost exactly the same age.
Two shit interceptions- the first being particularly bad. Two more missed field goals, better clean out your locker Hopkins you're done. A dumb f**k roll out on fourth and a yard- how many times have we gotten stuffed on a play like that? Oh and a muffed punt to top it off. Welcome to the Clown Show.
PS... I;ve been hearing rumors should Jimmuh successfully build his Dum-dum Dome in Berea he's going to try and extort us season ticket holders tens of thousands of dollars to re-up our 100 level seats. Shove it Haslam- I've got better things to spend my money on than that shit product you're consistently putting out there on the field. I may have to even consider not re-upping after yet another disaster of a season. Can't hardly give away tickets in the 100 level this year, even at a 50% discount.
My take? Fire Dorsey now, and Depodesta at the end of the season.
Now getting back to football. I honestly don't know how much more of this crap football I can take- and if you're interested me and MJP are\were almost exactly the same age.
Two shit interceptions- the first being particularly bad. Two more missed field goals, better clean out your locker Hopkins you're done. A dumb f**k roll out on fourth and a yard- how many times have we gotten stuffed on a play like that? Oh and a muffed punt to top it off. Welcome to the Clown Show.
PS... I;ve been hearing rumors should Jimmuh successfully build his Dum-dum Dome in Berea he's going to try and extort us season ticket holders tens of thousands of dollars to re-up our 100 level seats. Shove it Haslam- I've got better things to spend my money on than that shit product you're consistently putting out there on the field. I may have to even consider not re-upping after yet another disaster of a season. Can't hardly give away tickets in the 100 level this year, even at a 50% discount.
My take? Fire Dorsey now, and Depodesta at the end of the season.
I gave up my season tickets. Had them for 19 years. No way I will EVER give JIMMAH another dime of my money.
SELL THE TEAM!!!!!!
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Back to Hopkins, he started this season 13 of 16 of field goals.
He's made 3 of his last 9 FG attempts since.
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@horse-balls said:
FY56 is a homo.
Horse balls has a pussy.
Way to get this thread off to a good start asshole.
You wonder why I don't post much anymore? the first 1\2 of the game thread was horseshit like this.
Gee, I still have my Mod powers- should I perma ban that Packer troll? Nah- you guys seem to enjoy insulting one another.
You wonder why I don't post much anymore? the first 1\2 of the game thread was horseshit like this.
Gee, I still have my Mod powers- should I perma ban that Packer troll? Nah- you guys seem to enjoy insulting one another.
I’m in full agreement Hoorta!
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Hard game to call.... I see both teams as pretty equal despite the contrast in records... 2 things have to happen.... Jameis needs to protect the ball.. I expect a lot of double and triple on JJ... So Njoku has to catch everything tossed his way regardless of the matchup.. Make RW try to beat you and shut down their run game.. Neither Russell or Jameis are getting better at this stage in their careers... Myles disappeared last week... He needs a repeat performance ala two weeks ago against the stools.. The D line has to control the LOS... Kenny and Kevin need not get cute... (I had neighbors who were brothers name Kenny and Kevin) No relation however.. Former LA Chargers coach Brandon Staleys Parents are my neighbors now.. That being said... "Go Browns"
I can’t argue with that, but if you were to take the most important thing that needs NOT to happen, it’s Jameis throwing interceptions.
Without those interceptions in Denver, despite the other flaws, we win that game.
I can’t argue with that, but if you were to take the most important thing that needs NOT to happen, it’s Jameis throwing interceptions.
Without those interceptions in Denver, despite the other flaws, we win that game.
Well I guess I was wrong about this.
Those int’s are not what lost this game. It was a lot more than that.
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I can’t argue with that, but if you were to take the most important thing that needs NOT to happen, it’s Jameis throwing interceptions.
Without those interceptions in Denver, despite the other flaws, we win that game.
Well I guess I was wrong about this.
Those int’s are not what lost this game. It was a lot more than that.
Well I guess I was wrong about this.
Those int’s are not what lost this game. It was a lot more than that.
The INTs are definitely a problem though. The ball is moving down field with Winston. Protection is better. I think Winston will never shake the turnovers.
I attempt to be objective, but it's so damn hard. I have been on the "support Stefanski" side but these mind-blowing pre snap penalties aren't getting any better.
Yet, the team does play hard, just not smart. 3-14 looks probable.
You've got somebody who signed Kadarius Toney, a guy KC let go, after the NYG let him go. If he can't thrive in KC, why bother, really?
So I keep turning back to the owner & front office. Seriously, if we have a "quality control office" with DePodesta, & our roster is littered with low quality or low intellect players, what does Mr DePodesta do ( since 2016)? Can he be demoted? Can he get fired?
All I know is in hindsight, Gregg Williams stepped in after Hue, poof, the pre snap penalties disappeared. Williams is old-school. Maybe old-school isn't effective on today's youth, but the Browns need something like that in the building. Will Jimmy allow it?
Karlis Missed -
Re: pre-snap penalties.
When you have injuries along your Oline, specifically at your tackle spots, the backups are more likely to draw laundry.
We're tied for #1 in false starts, the overwhelming majority tagged to the Oline. But funny enough, we're bottom 1/3 in holding calls. I would suspect this coaching staff, in an effort to reduce penalty yards and to force the line judge to make more decisive, split second decisions, has instructed this group to try to move on silent counts like we saw at the start of last year.
Holding is 10 yards from the spot of the foul. False start is only 5 yards and dead ball.
The former are absolute drive killers. So if I were forced to choose as a coach, I'd prefer my tackles take the 5 to try and better leverage themselves in pass pro and to put an even more subjective decision that requires faster eyes than holding.
The illegal formations and such are just players losing their heads. With the injuries and lineup changes, I can understand. But you're also professionals as well, so it also causes some eye rolling.
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Re: pre-snap penalties.
When you have injuries along your Oline, specifically at your tackle spots, the backups are more likely to draw laundry.
We're tied for #1 in false starts, the overwhelming majority tagged to the Oline. But funny enough, we're bottom 1/3 in holding calls. I would suspect this coaching staff, in an effort to reduce penalty yards and to force the line judge to make more decisive, split second decisions, has instructed this group to try to move on silent counts like we saw at the start of last year.
Holding is 10 yards from the spot of the foul. False start is only 5 yards and dead ball.
The former are absolute drive killers. So if I were forced to choose as a coach, I'd prefer my tackles take the 5 to try and better leverage themselves in pass pro and to put an even more subjective decision that requires faster eyes than holding.
The illegal formations and such are just players losing their heads. With the injuries and lineup changes, I can understand. But you're also professionals as well, so it also causes some eye rolling.
Re: pre-snap penalties.
When you have injuries along your Oline, specifically at your tackle spots, the backups are more likely to draw laundry.
We're tied for #1 in false starts, the overwhelming majority tagged to the Oline. But funny enough, we're bottom 1/3 in holding calls. I would suspect this coaching staff, in an effort to reduce penalty yards and to force the line judge to make more decisive, split second decisions, has instructed this group to try to move on silent counts like we saw at the start of last year.
Holding is 10 yards from the spot of the foul. False start is only 5 yards and dead ball.
The former are absolute drive killers. So if I were forced to choose as a coach, I'd prefer my tackles take the 5 to try and better leverage themselves in pass pro and to put an even more subjective decision that requires faster eyes than holding.
The illegal formations and such are just players losing their heads. With the injuries and lineup changes, I can understand. But you're also professionals as well, so it also causes some eye rolling.
Makes some sense, sure.
Counter-point though. Any penalty, whether pre snap or post snap, is obviously going to be an obstacle. The Browns' offensive line (through age & injuries) has morphed into a poor run-blocking unit, which is a killer whether it's 1st and 15 or 1st & 20 (for example).
They ( O line) show flashes of good during games, they're simply not consistent.
Karlis Missed -
Well I guess I was wrong about this.
Those int’s are not what lost this game. It was a lot more than that.
The INTs are definitely a problem though. The ball is moving down field with Winston. Protection is better. I think Winston will never shake the turnovers.
I attempt to be objective, but it's so damn hard. I have been on the "support Stefanski" side but these mind-blowing pre snap penalties aren't getting any better.
Yet, the team does play hard, just not smart. 3-14 looks probable.
You've got somebody who signed Kadarius Toney, a guy KC let go, after the NYG let him go. If he can't thrive in KC, why bother, really?
So I keep turning back to the owner & front office. Seriously, if we have a "quality control office" with DePodesta, & our roster is littered with low quality or low intellect players, what does Mr DePodesta do ( since 2016)? Can he be demoted? Can he get fired?
All I know is in hindsight, Gregg Williams stepped in after Hue, poof, the pre snap penalties disappeared. Williams is old-school. Maybe old-school isn't effective on today's youth, but the Browns need something like that in the building. Will Jimmy allow it?
The INTs are definitely a problem though. The ball is moving down field with Winston. Protection is better. I think Winston will never shake the turnovers.
I attempt to be objective, but it's so damn hard. I have been on the "support Stefanski" side but these mind-blowing pre snap penalties aren't getting any better.
Yet, the team does play hard, just not smart. 3-14 looks probable.
You've got somebody who signed Kadarius Toney, a guy KC let go, after the NYG let him go. If he can't thrive in KC, why bother, really?
So I keep turning back to the owner & front office. Seriously, if we have a "quality control office" with DePodesta, & our roster is littered with low quality or low intellect players, what does Mr DePodesta do ( since 2016)? Can he be demoted? Can he get fired?
All I know is in hindsight, Gregg Williams stepped in after Hue, poof, the pre snap penalties disappeared. Williams is old-school. Maybe old-school isn't effective on today's youth, but the Browns need something like that in the building. Will Jimmy allow it?
Penalties are a result of poor coaching and not holding anyone accountable...... In High School you learn basic fundamentals and that includes how not to incur penalties... There are just times I feel Stefanski has no control of his units... I mean Kevvy is 2x COY... In the meantime in Tomlin's 15 years at the Burgh he has none... That should tell you straight up COY and DPOY are bullshit awards... You are measured by playoff wins and SB's... Everything else is just pure fluff and window dressing...
Nickers...."There are no old running QB's in the NFL "~Sam Rutigliano~ -
Re: pre-snap penalties.
When you have injuries along your Oline, specifically at your tackle spots, the backups are more likely to draw laundry.
We're tied for #1 in false starts, the overwhelming majority tagged to the Oline. But funny enough, we're bottom 1/3 in holding calls. I would suspect this coaching staff, in an effort to reduce penalty yards and to force the line judge to make more decisive, split second decisions, has instructed this group to try to move on silent counts like we saw at the start of last year.
Holding is 10 yards from the spot of the foul. False start is only 5 yards and dead ball.
The former are absolute drive killers. So if I were forced to choose as a coach, I'd prefer my tackles take the 5 to try and better leverage themselves in pass pro and to put an even more subjective decision that requires faster eyes than holding.
The illegal formations and such are just players losing their heads. With the injuries and lineup changes, I can understand. But you're also professionals as well, so it also causes some eye rolling.
Makes some sense, sure.
Counter-point though. Any penalty, whether pre snap or post snap, is obviously going to be an obstacle. The Browns' offensive line (through age & injuries) has morphed into a poor run-blocking unit, which is a killer whether it's 1st and 15 or 1st & 20 (for example).
They ( O line) show flashes of good during games, they're simply not consistent.
Makes some sense, sure.
Counter-point though. Any penalty, whether pre snap or post snap, is obviously going to be an obstacle. The Browns' offensive line (through age & injuries) has morphed into a poor run-blocking unit, which is a killer whether it's 1st and 15 or 1st & 20 (for example).
They ( O line) show flashes of good during games, they're simply not consistent.
Something else I'm sure that has been taken into account.
All the more reason I'd live with false starts over holding calls.
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The INTs are definitely a problem though. The ball is moving down field with Winston. Protection is better. I think Winston will never shake the turnovers.
I attempt to be objective, but it's so damn hard. I have been on the "support Stefanski" side but these mind-blowing pre snap penalties aren't getting any better.
Yet, the team does play hard, just not smart. 3-14 looks probable.
You've got somebody who signed Kadarius Toney, a guy KC let go, after the NYG let him go. If he can't thrive in KC, why bother, really?
So I keep turning back to the owner & front office. Seriously, if we have a "quality control office" with DePodesta, & our roster is littered with low quality or low intellect players, what does Mr DePodesta do ( since 2016)? Can he be demoted? Can he get fired?
All I know is in hindsight, Gregg Williams stepped in after Hue, poof, the pre snap penalties disappeared. Williams is old-school. Maybe old-school isn't effective on today's youth, but the Browns need something like that in the building. Will Jimmy allow it?
Penalties are a result of poor coaching and not holding anyone accountable...... In High School you learn basic fundamentals and that includes how not to incur penalties... There are just times I feel Stefanski has no control of his units... I mean Kevvy is 2x COY... In the meantime in Tomlin's 15 years at the Burgh he has none... That should tell you straight up COY and DPOY are bullshit awards... You are measured by playoff wins and SB's... Everything else is just pure fluff and window dressing...
Penalties are a result of poor coaching and not holding anyone accountable...... In High School you learn basic fundamentals and that includes how not to incur penalties... There are just times I feel Stefanski has no control of his units... I mean Kevvy is 2x COY... In the meantime in Tomlin's 15 years at the Burgh he has none... That should tell you straight up COY and DPOY are bullshit awards... You are measured by playoff wins and SB's... Everything else is just pure fluff and window dressing...
Except that I find it hard to believe that the coaches have not stressed the penalty issues with this team during practice.
I’m not sure what technique would be used to correct for excessive penalties.You’re right, they learn these fundamentals in high school, so by the time they enter the pros they should be well polished machines.
Thats why they’re called professionals. Professionals should not need a coach to tell them that penalties are a no-no.
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Penalties are a result of poor coaching and not holding anyone accountable...... In High School you learn basic fundamentals and that includes how not to incur penalties... There are just times I feel Stefanski has no control of his units... I mean Kevvy is 2x COY... In the meantime in Tomlin's 15 years at the Burgh he has none... That should tell you straight up COY and DPOY are bullshit awards... You are measured by playoff wins and SB's... Everything else is just pure fluff and window dressing...
Except that I find it hard to believe that the coaches have not stressed the penalty issues with this team during practice.
I’m not sure what technique would be used to correct for excessive penalties.You’re right, they learn these fundamentals in high school, so by the time they enter the pros they should be well polished machines.
Thats why they’re called professionals. Professionals should not need a coach to tell them that penalties are a no-no.
Except that I find it hard to believe that the coaches have not stressed the penalty issues with this team during practice.
I’m not sure what technique would be used to correct for excessive penalties.You’re right, they learn these fundamentals in high school, so by the time they enter the pros they should be well polished machines.
Thats why they’re called professionals. Professionals should not need a coach to tell them that penalties are a no-no.
Exactomundo!... This is something you address with camp repetition..
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Now getting back to football. I honestly don't know how much more of this crap football I can take- and if you're interested me and MJP are\were almost exactly the same age.
Two shit interceptions- the first being particularly bad. Two more missed field goals, better clean out your locker Hopkins you're done. A dumb f**k roll out on fourth and a yard- how many times have we gotten stuffed on a play like that? Oh and a muffed punt to top it off. Welcome to the Clown Show.
PS... I;ve been hearing rumors should Jimmuh successfully build his Dum-dum Dome in Berea he's going to try and extort us season ticket holders tens of thousands of dollars to re-up our 100 level seats. Shove it Haslam- I've got better things to spend my money on than that shit product you're consistently putting out there on the field. I may have to even consider not re-upping after yet another disaster of a season. Can't hardly give away tickets in the 100 level this year, even at a 50% discount.
My take? Fire Dorsey now, and Depodesta at the end of the season.
I wasn't going to renew this year but did anyway.
The thing about the Browns office, it's very cold to fans. I'm not sure people are aware of it, but the response I received from my ticket agent really pissed me off. I e mailed about me waiting to send payment in after the draft. I don't think that's such a big deal, to make a request like that. Here's the reply:
I wasn't going to renew this year but did anyway.
The thing about the Browns office, it's very cold to fans. I'm not sure people are aware of it, but the response I received from my ticket agent really pissed me off. I e mailed about me waiting to send payment in after the draft. I don't think that's such a big deal, to make a request like that. Here's the reply:
Bob, I'm not the season ticket holder of record- my lifelong friend is. However, I've gotten plenty of feedback from Don about BS from our ticket agent. They really don't care. Sad thing is with the Browns playing like crap, the value of our PSLs have cratered. Like about 90%.
Any further ticket price increases, and I'm going to be forced out of the market anyway on my retirement budget. FWIW Browns fans... I did see the face value of tickets 100 Level sideline between the 30s are $310 bucks each. The level of fan interest is so low, just checking Ticketmaster for the Chiefs game you can get a couple primo 40 yard line row 19 seats for $200 bucks.
PS- they'd love for you to forfeit your tickets so they can resell them to some fan (or corporation) that's got enough disposable income to shell out $6,000+ bucks every year on a pair of decent 100 level seats. I actually wonder if there would be any takers. Average fans are getting priced out of the market. LOL, at least we're not trying to buy tickets to the Lions- Bills game. $500-$1,000. ?
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Well I guess I was wrong about this.
Those int’s are not what lost this game. It was a lot more than that.
The INTs are definitely a problem though. The ball is moving down field with Winston. Protection is better. I think Winston will never shake the turnovers.
I attempt to be objective, but it's so damn hard. I have been on the "support Stefanski" side but these mind-blowing pre snap penalties aren't getting any better.
Yet, the team does play hard, just not smart. 3-14 looks probable.
You've got somebody who signed Kadarius Toney, a guy KC let go, after the NYG let him go. If he can't thrive in KC, why bother, really?
So I keep turning back to the owner & front office. Seriously, if we have a "quality control office" with DePodesta, & our roster is littered with low quality or low intellect players, what does Mr DePodesta do ( since 2016)? Can he be demoted? Can he get fired?
All I know is in hindsight, Gregg Williams stepped in after Hue, poof, the pre snap penalties disappeared. Williams is old-school. Maybe old-school isn't effective on today's youth, but the Browns need something like that in the building. Will Jimmy allow it?
The INTs are definitely a problem though. The ball is moving down field with Winston. Protection is better. I think Winston will never shake the turnovers.
I attempt to be objective, but it's so damn hard. I have been on the "support Stefanski" side but these mind-blowing pre snap penalties aren't getting any better.
Yet, the team does play hard, just not smart. 3-14 looks probable.
You've got somebody who signed Kadarius Toney, a guy KC let go, after the NYG let him go. If he can't thrive in KC, why bother, really?
So I keep turning back to the owner & front office. Seriously, if we have a "quality control office" with DePodesta, & our roster is littered with low quality or low intellect players, what does Mr DePodesta do ( since 2016)? Can he be demoted? Can he get fired?
All I know is in hindsight, Gregg Williams stepped in after Hue, poof, the pre snap penalties disappeared. Williams is old-school. Maybe old-school isn't effective on today's youth, but the Browns need something like that in the building. Will Jimmy allow it?
PS- since I've sort of adopted the Lions as my alternate team because of this miserable season I'd like to think Dan Campbell is sort of an old school coach. Other than his crazy penchant for going for it on 4th and short. They were damn lucky on the one with about a minute left in the Green Bay game.
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