Fire Everybody
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Baker news...aka salt in the wound...
When the Tampa Bay Buccaneers saw former No. 1 overall pick Baker Mayfield get his career back on track after leading the squad to another NFC South title and beating the Eagles in the playoffs, Jason Licht rewarded him with a three-year, $100 million contract shortly thereafter
Mike Evans has 10 consecutive 1,000 yd receiving years for an NFL record. Without him Baker would not be getting a contract like that, particularly if he had come in clearly out of shape like he did his 2nd season with the Browns. At least he was smart enough to correct that mistake.
Mike Evans has 10 consecutive 1,000 yd receiving years for an NFL record. Without him Baker would not be getting a contract like that, particularly if he had come in clearly out of shape like he did his 2nd season with the Browns. At least he was smart enough to correct that mistake.
Mike Evans has earned every dollar he's ever earned carrying mediocre fun-sized frat boy QBs his whole college and pro career.
Definitely going to end up in Canton.
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Yeah lol.
I've always liked that whole division. Was a huge Purple People Eaters fan, loved Tarkenton, Chuck Foreman, & Paul Krause, and later on, Randy Moss ( an ass, but what a player).
Should have won it all several times, remember the Steelers reject kicker missed his only FG of the season vs Atlanta?
IMHO they're the NFC Browns.
The Vikings are the oldest American sports team to never win a championship
it says they won the NFL championship in 1969 but then lost the NFL vs AFL game, against KC Before it was called the Super Bowl. To me that is not a championship
The Vikings are the oldest American sports team to never win a championship
it says they won the NFL championship in 1969 but then lost the NFL vs AFL game, against KC Before it was called the Super Bowl. To me that is not a championship
Yeah, you are right, they might have represented the NFL in Super Bowl IV, but if you didn't win the Super Bowl, you didn't win a NFL title.
When did it start being called the "Super Bowl"?
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The Vikings are the oldest American sports team to never win a championship
it says they won the NFL championship in 1969 but then lost the NFL vs AFL game, against KC Before it was called the Super Bowl. To me that is not a championship
Yeah, you are right, they might have represented the NFL in Super Bowl IV, but if you didn't win the Super Bowl, you didn't win a NFL title.
When did it start being called the "Super Bowl"?
Yeah, you are right, they might have represented the NFL in Super Bowl IV, but if you didn't win the Super Bowl, you didn't win a NFL title.
When did it start being called the "Super Bowl"?
The game was created as part of a 1966 merger agreement between the NFL and the competing American Football League (AFL) to have their 'best' teams compete for a championship. It was originally called the AFL–NFL World Championship Game until the "Super Bowl" moniker was adopted in 1969's Super Bowl
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Yeah, you are right, they might have represented the NFL in Super Bowl IV, but if you didn't win the Super Bowl, you didn't win a NFL title.
When did it start being called the "Super Bowl"?
The game was created as part of a 1966 merger agreement between the NFL and the competing American Football League (AFL) to have their 'best' teams compete for a championship. It was originally called the AFL–NFL World Championship Game until the "Super Bowl" moniker was adopted in 1969's Super Bowl
The game was created as part of a 1966 merger agreement between the NFL and the competing American Football League (AFL) to have their 'best' teams compete for a championship. It was originally called the AFL–NFL World Championship Game until the "Super Bowl" moniker was adopted in 1969's Super Bowl
I read somewhere the moniker came after somebody was watching their kid bounce a super ball off of a wall.
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The game was created as part of a 1966 merger agreement between the NFL and the competing American Football League (AFL) to have their 'best' teams compete for a championship. It was originally called the AFL–NFL World Championship Game until the "Super Bowl" moniker was adopted in 1969's Super Bowl
I read somewhere the moniker came after somebody was watching their kid bounce a super ball off of a wall.
I read somewhere the moniker came after somebody was watching their kid bounce a super ball off of a wall.
Allegedly Chiefs owner Lamar Hunt came up with the name because of his kid's "Super Ball".
It's kind of a goofy name for a championship game if you think about it.
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Getting back to the "Fire Everybody" theme of this thread...
One reason I'd strongly consider it if I was Hillbilly Jimmuh is I believe this team needs to be rebuilt.
Front offices fighting for their employment tend to make moves that might not be the best long-term, but will help the team faster. Kind of like when Butch Davis didn't draft Ben Roethlisberger because he brought in a 35 year old Jeff Garcia and drafted Kellen Winslow II instead.
I have a feeling the existing front office/coaching staff thinks the Browns are only a few shrewd moves away from another 11 win season. I disagree.
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Getting back to the "Fire Everybody" theme of this thread...
One reason I'd strongly consider it if I was Hillbilly Jimmuh is I believe this team needs to be rebuilt.
Front offices fighting for their employment tend to make moves that might not be the best long-term, but will help the team faster. Kind of like when Butch Davis didn't draft Ben Roethlisberger because he brought in a 35 year old Jeff Garcia and drafted Kellen Winslow II instead.
I have a feeling the existing front office/coaching staff thinks the Browns are only a few shrewd moves away from another 11 win season. I disagree.
Getting back to the "Fire Everybody" theme of this thread...
One reason I'd strongly consider it if I was Hillbilly Jimmuh is I believe this team needs to be rebuilt.
Front offices fighting for their employment tend to make moves that might not be the best long-term, but will help the team faster. Kind of like when Butch Davis didn't draft Ben Roethlisberger because he brought in a 35 year old Jeff Garcia and drafted Kellen Winslow II instead.
I have a feeling the existing front office/coaching staff thinks the Browns are only a few shrewd moves away from another 11 win season. I disagree.
Great post! I like your thought process. Is there much media attention about the FO getting canned? Far as Stefanski I'm not seeing much at all. I think his seat should be feeling toasty.
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Getting back to the "Fire Everybody" theme of this thread...
One reason I'd strongly consider it if I was Hillbilly Jimmuh is I believe this team needs to be rebuilt.
Front offices fighting for their employment tend to make moves that might not be the best long-term, but will help the team faster. Kind of like when Butch Davis didn't draft Ben Roethlisberger because he brought in a 35 year old Jeff Garcia and drafted Kellen Winslow II instead.
I have a feeling the existing front office/coaching staff thinks the Browns are only a few shrewd moves away from another 11 win season. I disagree.
Great post! I like your thought process. Is there much media attention about the FO getting canned? Far as Stefanski I'm not seeing much at all. I think his seat should be feeling toasty.
Great post! I like your thought process. Is there much media attention about the FO getting canned? Far as Stefanski I'm not seeing much at all. I think his seat should be feeling toasty.
It's awfully quiet here in NE Ohio regarding Berry, Stefanski, et al and their job security. It seems like they will survive.
But the team is going to finish 3-14 and the blockbuster Watson trade has completely blown up in their face. I just can't see no one not paying for this.
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Great post! I like your thought process. Is there much media attention about the FO getting canned? Far as Stefanski I'm not seeing much at all. I think his seat should be feeling toasty.
It's awfully quiet here in NE Ohio regarding Berry, Stefanski, et al and their job security. It seems like they will survive.
But the team is going to finish 3-14 and the blockbuster Watson trade has completely blown up in their face. I just can't see no one not paying for this.
It's awfully quiet here in NE Ohio regarding Berry, Stefanski, et al and their job security. It seems like they will survive.
But the team is going to finish 3-14 and the blockbuster Watson trade has completely blown up in their face. I just can't see no one not paying for this.
Ah, but this is the Charlie Browns where Lucy always has the last word in the Factory of Sadness.
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I didn't realize that.
I'm not keen on a dome, but understand the reasons why people like it. I'd prefer it to be downtown.
Hopefully all this legal-mumbo-jumbo gets resolved.
I'm a downtown/open air guy too. The idea of the Browns playing on Field Turf inside kills me.
But open air football stadiums in the north is a pretty stupid financial idea.
Plus, the regular season just goes on forever, and a 18th game is coming. Frostbite Bowls suck.
I'm a downtown/open air guy too. The idea of the Browns playing on Field Turf inside kills me.
But open air football stadiums in the north is a pretty stupid financial idea.
Plus, the regular season just goes on forever, and a 18th game is coming. Frostbite Bowls suck.
Open air apparently doesn't seem to be a problem in Buffalo, Kansas City, or New England. Weather never seems to be a problem in Green Bay either. Let's dome Lambeau... ?
Jimmuh has a bad case of "dome-itis". Thinking he can turn his vacant lot into an imitation of Bob Kraft's "Patriot Place". (Been there, seen that) Lotsa luck. Um boy multi level parking- a nice touch for getting nonmoving after a game. At probably $75 bucks to park your car. hoo hah- bye bye tailgating.
FWIW, Cuyahoga County already told Has-been.. "We don't have your f**king $!.2 Billion, not anywhere close. MHO... If you think your future vision is SO GREAT... Well- pay for it yourself Jimmy, your uber wealthy fellow owner pal Kroenke shelled out around $4 billion out of his own money to build SoFy in LA.
Well, this can't happen until 2028, so maybe like mjp- I'll be dead, so I don't have to put up with inept ownership anymore. ?
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I'm a downtown/open air guy too. The idea of the Browns playing on Field Turf inside kills me.
But open air football stadiums in the north is a pretty stupid financial idea.
Plus, the regular season just goes on forever, and a 18th game is coming. Frostbite Bowls suck.
Open air apparently doesn't seem to be a problem in Buffalo, Kansas City, or New England. Weather never seems to be a problem in Green Bay either. Let's dome Lambeau... ?
Jimmuh has a bad case of "dome-itis". Thinking he can turn his vacant lot into an imitation of Bob Kraft's "Patriot Place". (Been there, seen that) Lotsa luck. Um boy multi level parking- a nice touch for getting nonmoving after a game. At probably $75 bucks to park your car. hoo hah- bye bye tailgating.
FWIW, Cuyahoga County already told Has-been.. "We don't have your f**king $!.2 Billion, not anywhere close. MHO... If you think your future vision is SO GREAT... Well- pay for it yourself Jimmy, your uber wealthy fellow owner pal Kroenke shelled out around $4 billion out of his own money to build SoFy in LA.
Well, this can't happen until 2028, so maybe like mjp- I'll be dead, so I don't have to put up with inept ownership anymore. ?
Open air apparently doesn't seem to be a problem in Buffalo, Kansas City, or New England. Weather never seems to be a problem in Green Bay either. Let's dome Lambeau... ?
Jimmuh has a bad case of "dome-itis". Thinking he can turn his vacant lot into an imitation of Bob Kraft's "Patriot Place". (Been there, seen that) Lotsa luck. Um boy multi level parking- a nice touch for getting nonmoving after a game. At probably $75 bucks to park your car. hoo hah- bye bye tailgating.
FWIW, Cuyahoga County already told Has-been.. "We don't have your f**king $!.2 Billion, not anywhere close. MHO... If you think your future vision is SO GREAT... Well- pay for it yourself Jimmy, your uber wealthy fellow owner pal Kroenke shelled out around $4 billion out of his own money to build SoFy in LA.
Well, this can't happen until 2028, so maybe like mjp- I'll be dead, so I don't have to put up with inept ownership anymore. ?
? This is you being done with thinking about this team to the extent you're posting shortly after midnight again? You ain't going anywhere; but it's healthy to vent your frustration and pretend you're a Detroit Lions fan while you're at it I suppose... Gipper would want me to remind you that you're too old for a football heart transplant.
In sticking with the outrageousness of being a lifetime Cleveland Browns fan where I inexplicably/suddenly have to root for the Ravens to beat the Browns today? Keep in mind, when it comes to getting the right QB or LT for this FO - I'm walking in the shoes of Julius Caesar counting on Brutus and Cassius to have my back...
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Great post! I like your thought process. Is there much media attention about the FO getting canned? Far as Stefanski I'm not seeing much at all. I think his seat should be feeling toasty.
It's awfully quiet here in NE Ohio regarding Berry, Stefanski, et al and their job security. It seems like they will survive.
But the team is going to finish 3-14 and the blockbuster Watson trade has completely blown up in their face. I just can't see no one not paying for this.
It's awfully quiet here in NE Ohio regarding Berry, Stefanski, et al and their job security. It seems like they will survive.
But the team is going to finish 3-14 and the blockbuster Watson trade has completely blown up in their face. I just can't see no one not paying for this.
Let me add:
I do think that massive changes will happen to the offensive coaching staff. All the changes to the staff after they went 11-6 and produced points despite five different starting QBs just to try and morph the offense into something Watson could thrive in needs scrapped. Also, since Mike Vrabel apparently had to take over coaching the OLine because the guy who replaced Callahan wasn't cutting it, well, he gone too.
Alex Van Pelt is the OC of the Pats, right? Well Mayo might get the axe after one season, so maybe AVP will be available again. Bring him back.
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It's awfully quiet here in NE Ohio regarding Berry, Stefanski, et al and their job security. It seems like they will survive.
But the team is going to finish 3-14 and the blockbuster Watson trade has completely blown up in their face. I just can't see no one not paying for this.
Let me add:
I do think that massive changes will happen to the offensive coaching staff. All the changes to the staff after they went 11-6 and produced points despite five different starting QBs just to try and morph the offense into something Watson could thrive in needs scrapped. Also, since Mike Vrabel apparently had to take over coaching the OLine because the guy who replaced Callahan wasn't cutting it, well, he gone too.
Alex Van Pelt is the OC of the Pats, right? Well Mayo might get the axe after one season, so maybe AVP will be available again. Bring him back.
Let me add:
I do think that massive changes will happen to the offensive coaching staff. All the changes to the staff after they went 11-6 and produced points despite five different starting QBs just to try and morph the offense into something Watson could thrive in needs scrapped. Also, since Mike Vrabel apparently had to take over coaching the OLine because the guy who replaced Callahan wasn't cutting it, well, he gone too.
Alex Van Pelt is the OC of the Pats, right? Well Mayo might get the axe after one season, so maybe AVP will be available again. Bring him back.
Changes only to the coaching staff? This FO has decimated this team...
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
Let me add:
I do think that massive changes will happen to the offensive coaching staff. All the changes to the staff after they went 11-6 and produced points despite five different starting QBs just to try and morph the offense into something Watson could thrive in needs scrapped. Also, since Mike Vrabel apparently had to take over coaching the OLine because the guy who replaced Callahan wasn't cutting it, well, he gone too.
Alex Van Pelt is the OC of the Pats, right? Well Mayo might get the axe after one season, so maybe AVP will be available again. Bring him back.
Changes only to the coaching staff? This FO has decimated this team...
Changes only to the coaching staff? This FO has decimated this team...
I'm assuming that the rumors locally are true - that Berry and Stefanski are safe.
But I think Stefanski should be able to go to Berry and say: "These changes that I was forced to do last off-season didn't work, let me run my offense with my people".
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Changes only to the coaching staff? This FO has decimated this team...
I'm assuming that the rumors locally are true - that Berry and Stefanski are safe.
But I think Stefanski should be able to go to Berry and say: "These changes that I was forced to do last off-season didn't work, let me run my offense with my people".
But I think Stefanski should be able to go to Berry and say: "These changes that I was forced to do last off-season didn't work, let me run my offense with my people".
IMO, the HC shouldn't have to beg anyone for permission to run his offense or defense. (perhaps, the owner...but even then, IMO, he shouldn't have to). The GM should have to get the HC the type of players that he needs.
And I also believe that the HC should not be deciding who to draft (like Butch Davis was allowed to do). Each position, HC & GM, has their own job to do. They should work together as a team, but when push comes to shove, they are in charge of their duties and one should not be in control of the other.
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But I think Stefanski should be able to go to Berry and say: "These changes that I was forced to do last off-season didn't work, let me run my offense with my people".
IMO, the HC shouldn't have to beg anyone for permission to run his offense or defense. (perhaps, the owner...but even then, IMO, he shouldn't have to). The GM should have to get the HC the type of players that he needs.
And I also believe that the HC should not be deciding who to draft (like Butch Davis was allowed to do). Each position, HC & GM, has their own job to do. They should work together as a team, but when push comes to shove, they are in charge of their duties and one should not be in control of the other.
IMO, the HC shouldn't have to beg anyone for permission to run his offense or defense. (perhaps, the owner...but even then, IMO, he shouldn't have to). The GM should have to get the HC the type of players that he needs.
And I also believe that the HC should not be deciding who to draft (like Butch Davis was allowed to do). Each position, HC & GM, has their own job to do. They should work together as a team, but when push comes to shove, they are in charge of their duties and one should not be in control of the other.
Agreed. Based on what Parcells once said, "If I'm gonna be doing the cooking; then I ought to be able to buy the groceries." He's taken the Giants and Patriots to Super Bowls and the Jets to an AFC Championship Game and the Cowboys to the playoffs. My guess is he only had to make this comment when he worked for Jerry Jones.
All that to say, I think HC should have input on what his team needs to win games. Many thought DC Jim Schwartz had some input about the Defense when he arrived. Then again, the year before he arrived - somebody else in the FO seemed to be deciding IDL/DT wasn't important while he wanted lighter LBers in the next tier. It felt like everyone the Browns played in 2022 ran all over the Browns D (while all those lighter LBers were getting injured). My guess is the better teams (FO & HC) work together. After all the input has been weighed - the GM makes the final decision. Holding a HC hostage to a GM that doesn't allow any input doesn't promote "our" - it creates a "your/my" animosity instead.
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But I think Stefanski should be able to go to Berry and say: "These changes that I was forced to do last off-season didn't work, let me run my offense with my people".
IMO, the HC shouldn't have to beg anyone for permission to run his offense or defense. (perhaps, the owner...but even then, IMO, he shouldn't have to). The GM should have to get the HC the type of players that he needs.
And I also believe that the HC should not be deciding who to draft (like Butch Davis was allowed to do). Each position, HC & GM, has their own job to do. They should work together as a team, but when push comes to shove, they are in charge of their duties and one should not be in control of the other.
IMO, the HC shouldn't have to beg anyone for permission to run his offense or defense. (perhaps, the owner...but even then, IMO, he shouldn't have to). The GM should have to get the HC the type of players that he needs.
And I also believe that the HC should not be deciding who to draft (like Butch Davis was allowed to do). Each position, HC & GM, has their own job to do. They should work together as a team, but when push comes to shove, they are in charge of their duties and one should not be in control of the other.
100% and Stefanski deserves the blame for continuing to start #4 when we all knew he was shit.
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IMO, the HC shouldn't have to beg anyone for permission to run his offense or defense. (perhaps, the owner...but even then, IMO, he shouldn't have to). The GM should have to get the HC the type of players that he needs.
And I also believe that the HC should not be deciding who to draft (like Butch Davis was allowed to do). Each position, HC & GM, has their own job to do. They should work together as a team, but when push comes to shove, they are in charge of their duties and one should not be in control of the other.
100% and Stefanski deserves the blame for continuing to start #4 when we all knew he was shit.
100% and Stefanski deserves the blame for continuing to start #4 when we all knew he was shit.
I like your post, though I don't agree because I think that Watson is the best QB that we have.
( that just shows ya what trash I think we have in the QB room )
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I like your post, though I don't agree because I think that Watson is the best QB that we have.
( that just shows ya what trash I think we have in the QB room )
I'm all good with agreeing to disagree. Would make for a very boring discussion group otherwise.
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IMO, the HC shouldn't have to beg anyone for permission to run his offense or defense. (perhaps, the owner...but even then, IMO, he shouldn't have to). The GM should have to get the HC the type of players that he needs.
And I also believe that the HC should not be deciding who to draft (like Butch Davis was allowed to do). Each position, HC & GM, has their own job to do. They should work together as a team, but when push comes to shove, they are in charge of their duties and one should not be in control of the other.
100% and Stefanski deserves the blame for continuing to start #4 when we all knew he was shit.
100% and Stefanski deserves the blame for continuing to start #4 when we all knew he was shit.
I don’t think it is his call. And that’s the problem
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