Currently our 2025 first round pick is....
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Here's a recently updated Top 10 QB Rankings from Mel Kiper. There's a few I disagree so I imagine some of you will find some head-scratchers. That said, nice to where there's a Will there's a way staring us right between the lookers at #7. If you click on the link below it starts with his Top 10 QBs and then it shows his Top 25 rated players.
The College Football Playoff semifinals are set, meaning only four teams remain in the 12-team bracket. That means prospects around the country are ramping up their preparation for the 2025 NFL Draft, and ESPN’s Mel Kiper Jr. made some big changes to his Top 10 QB rankings.
Kiper’s top two quarterbacks stayed the same from last week’s update. Colorado star Shedeur Sanders and Miami standout Cam Ward remain No. 1 and No. 2, respectively, after their respective bowl games. But there was plenty of movement the rest of the way, including one player who jumped up four spots to No. 3.
The evaluation process for the 2025 NFL Draft is going to pick up soon ahead of next month’s NFL Scouting Combine. Here’s where Kiper’s Top 10 QB rankings stand ahead of the CFP semifinals.
1. Shedeur Sanders, Colorado
Throughout the year, the debate has been whether Shedeur Sanders would be the top quarterback on the board. Mel Kiper Jr. continues to project him in the top spot following Colorado’s Alamo Bowl loss to BYU.
Sanders completed an impressive 2024 season to close out his college career. He completed 74% of his passes – the best rate in the country – for 4,171 yards and 37 touchdowns, along with just seven interceptions, to help spark Colorado’s turnaround under his father, Deion Sanders.
2. Cam Ward, Miami
The other quarterback consistently discussed atop draft boards, Cam Ward increased his stock in a big way this season. He finished fourth in the Heisman Trophy voting as he led Miami’s high-powered offense.
The former Washington State quarterback put up monster numbers, throwing for 4,313 yards and an FBS-leading 39 touchdowns. He comes in as Mel Kiper Jr.’s No. 2-ranked quarterback in the 2025 NFL Draft, but is sure to be in the conversation for the top pick thanks to his ability to improvise.
3. Jaxson Dart, Ole Miss
The biggest mover in Mel Kiper Jr.’s rankings, Jaxson Dart is now the No. 3-ranked quarterback after coming in at No. 7 just a week ago. The Ole Miss standout completed his historic career in Oxford during Thursday’s Gator Bowl, and his stock is on the rise.
Dart finished his third year under Lane Kiffin on a high note. He set the program record for passing yards, and threw for 4,279 this season to boost his draft stock and create an interesting conversation for evaluators.
4. Jalen Milroe, Alabama
In his first year under Kalen DeBoer, Jalen Milroe had an up-and-down go at Alabama. His evaluation process will surely be one to watch considering his dual-threat ability, and Mel Kiper Jr. ranked him as his No. 4 quarterback in the draft.
Milroe threw for 2,844 yards and 16 touchdowns, along with 11 interceptions, but set a new career-high with 726 rushing yards and 20 touchdowns on the ground. That adds to the intrigue about how teams will assess his stock through the pre-draft process.
5. Carson Beck, Georgia
Perhaps the most interesting evaluation in the draft, Carson Beck started the year as the virtual consensus top quarterback prospect. A rollercoaster season and late injury meant he fell down draft boards, though, and added to the uncertainty around where he’d go after declaring.
Beck threw for 3,485 yards and a career-high 28 touchdowns, but his 12 interceptions led the SEC thanks to a tough stretch mid-season. To make his prospects even more interesting, he suffered a torn UCL in the SEC Championship that required surgery, although Georgia said he should be able to start throwing come spring.
6. Quinn Ewers, Texas
Quinn Ewers presents another intriguing case for evaluators. The Texas quarterback set a career-high with 29 touchdown passes in 13 games, but he also has 11 interceptions to his name amid an up-and-down year.
Ewers delivered when it mattered, though, in the Longhorns’ College Football Playoff quarterfinal game against Arizona State. On 4th-and-13 in overtime, he threw the game-tying touchdown pass to Matthew Golden and proceeded to find Gunnar Helm for the game-winner in the second OT period to send Texas to the Cotton Bowl.
7. Will Howard, Ohio State
Ohio State found a new gear through the College Football Playoff, and Will Howard is a big reason why. He has been red-hot during the postseason and he appears at No. 7 in Mel Kiper Jr.’s Top 10 QB rankings after not making the cut last week.
Howard is in the midst of the best year of his college career after transferring from Kansas State, throwing for 3,498 yards and 32 touchdowns. His connection with true freshman Jeremiah Smith kickstarted the offense through the Buckeyes’ first two CFP games, setting up an exciting matchup against Texas in the Cotton Bowl.
8. Tyler Shough, Louisville
In his seventh year of college football – and only one at Louisville – Tyler Shough delivered the best numbers of his career. He also moved up to No. 8 in Mel Kiper’s Top 10 QB rankings this week amid the shakeup.
Shough threw for 3,149 yards and 23 yards, setting new career-highs in both categories. He previously spent three years at both Oregon and Texas Tech, but could see what lies ahead at the NFL level now that his college days are over.
9. Kurtis Rourke, Indiana
After a decorated career at Ohio, Kurtis Rourke opted to join Curt Cignetti at Indiana in 2024. That led him to a spot in the Top 10 in the Heisman Trophy voting and a College Football Playoff appearance amid the Hoosiers’ historic season.
Rourke threw for 3,042 yards and a career-high 29 touchdowns to help lead the IU offense into the CFP. He also quietly played with a partially torn ACL, NFL Network’s Tom Pelissero reported, which shows his toughness that could make an impression on scouts ahead of the pre-draft process.
10. Riley Leonard, Notre Dame
Another true dual-threat, Riley Leonard has shown his ability to beat teams with both his arm and his legs. That especially proved true in the Sugar Bowl against Georgia when he had 170 total yards – 90 passing and 80 rushing.
Leonard’s legs are a big reason why he’s so dangerous as he totaled 831 rushing yards and 15 touchdowns. But he also showed growth as a passer, completing 66.1% of his passes for 2,383 yards and 18 touchdowns – and he appeared in Mel Kiper Jr.’s Top 10 QB rankings as Notre Dame gets ready for the Orange Bowl.
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
If we end up #1, what would I do if I was Andrew Berry?
I'd trade down, adding needed draft picks in this draft AND next (and this is important) and target a Left Tackle. Campbell if I feel super duper confident he can stay at LT, or Banks.
I then target front seven guys on defense, possibly another OLineman, BPA skill position guys, and somewhere in the middle of the draft I get a Kyle McCord/kid from LSU/Will Howard type guy to help rebuild the QB room with guys who actually fit the Stefanski offense. At worst, he's the backup for years.
Then I start scouting the 2026 QB Draft class. Without knowing who will be in it, I know it will be better than this one who has two first round guys I really am not interested in.
What's the knocks against Ward? Just not worth the premium pick?
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Here's a recently updated Top 10 QB Rankings from Mel Kiper. There's a few I disagree so I imagine some of you will find some head-scratchers. That said, nice to where there's a Will there's a way staring us right between the lookers at #7. If you click on the link below it starts with his Top 10 QBs and then it shows his Top 25 rated players.
The College Football Playoff semifinals are set, meaning only four teams remain in the 12-team bracket. That means prospects around the country are ramping up their preparation for the 2025 NFL Draft, and ESPN’s Mel Kiper Jr. made some big changes to his Top 10 QB rankings.
Kiper’s top two quarterbacks stayed the same from last week’s update. Colorado star Shedeur Sanders and Miami standout Cam Ward remain No. 1 and No. 2, respectively, after their respective bowl games. But there was plenty of movement the rest of the way, including one player who jumped up four spots to No. 3.
The evaluation process for the 2025 NFL Draft is going to pick up soon ahead of next month’s NFL Scouting Combine. Here’s where Kiper’s Top 10 QB rankings stand ahead of the CFP semifinals.
1. Shedeur Sanders, Colorado
Throughout the year, the debate has been whether Shedeur Sanders would be the top quarterback on the board. Mel Kiper Jr. continues to project him in the top spot following Colorado’s Alamo Bowl loss to BYU.
Sanders completed an impressive 2024 season to close out his college career. He completed 74% of his passes – the best rate in the country – for 4,171 yards and 37 touchdowns, along with just seven interceptions, to help spark Colorado’s turnaround under his father, Deion Sanders.
2. Cam Ward, Miami
The other quarterback consistently discussed atop draft boards, Cam Ward increased his stock in a big way this season. He finished fourth in the Heisman Trophy voting as he led Miami’s high-powered offense.
The former Washington State quarterback put up monster numbers, throwing for 4,313 yards and an FBS-leading 39 touchdowns. He comes in as Mel Kiper Jr.’s No. 2-ranked quarterback in the 2025 NFL Draft, but is sure to be in the conversation for the top pick thanks to his ability to improvise.
3. Jaxson Dart, Ole Miss
The biggest mover in Mel Kiper Jr.’s rankings, Jaxson Dart is now the No. 3-ranked quarterback after coming in at No. 7 just a week ago. The Ole Miss standout completed his historic career in Oxford during Thursday’s Gator Bowl, and his stock is on the rise.
Dart finished his third year under Lane Kiffin on a high note. He set the program record for passing yards, and threw for 4,279 this season to boost his draft stock and create an interesting conversation for evaluators.
4. Jalen Milroe, Alabama
In his first year under Kalen DeBoer, Jalen Milroe had an up-and-down go at Alabama. His evaluation process will surely be one to watch considering his dual-threat ability, and Mel Kiper Jr. ranked him as his No. 4 quarterback in the draft.
Milroe threw for 2,844 yards and 16 touchdowns, along with 11 interceptions, but set a new career-high with 726 rushing yards and 20 touchdowns on the ground. That adds to the intrigue about how teams will assess his stock through the pre-draft process.
5. Carson Beck, Georgia
Perhaps the most interesting evaluation in the draft, Carson Beck started the year as the virtual consensus top quarterback prospect. A rollercoaster season and late injury meant he fell down draft boards, though, and added to the uncertainty around where he’d go after declaring.
Beck threw for 3,485 yards and a career-high 28 touchdowns, but his 12 interceptions led the SEC thanks to a tough stretch mid-season. To make his prospects even more interesting, he suffered a torn UCL in the SEC Championship that required surgery, although Georgia said he should be able to start throwing come spring.
6. Quinn Ewers, Texas
Quinn Ewers presents another intriguing case for evaluators. The Texas quarterback set a career-high with 29 touchdown passes in 13 games, but he also has 11 interceptions to his name amid an up-and-down year.
Ewers delivered when it mattered, though, in the Longhorns’ College Football Playoff quarterfinal game against Arizona State. On 4th-and-13 in overtime, he threw the game-tying touchdown pass to Matthew Golden and proceeded to find Gunnar Helm for the game-winner in the second OT period to send Texas to the Cotton Bowl.
7. Will Howard, Ohio State
Ohio State found a new gear through the College Football Playoff, and Will Howard is a big reason why. He has been red-hot during the postseason and he appears at No. 7 in Mel Kiper Jr.’s Top 10 QB rankings after not making the cut last week.
Howard is in the midst of the best year of his college career after transferring from Kansas State, throwing for 3,498 yards and 32 touchdowns. His connection with true freshman Jeremiah Smith kickstarted the offense through the Buckeyes’ first two CFP games, setting up an exciting matchup against Texas in the Cotton Bowl.
8. Tyler Shough, Louisville
In his seventh year of college football – and only one at Louisville – Tyler Shough delivered the best numbers of his career. He also moved up to No. 8 in Mel Kiper’s Top 10 QB rankings this week amid the shakeup.
Shough threw for 3,149 yards and 23 yards, setting new career-highs in both categories. He previously spent three years at both Oregon and Texas Tech, but could see what lies ahead at the NFL level now that his college days are over.
9. Kurtis Rourke, Indiana
After a decorated career at Ohio, Kurtis Rourke opted to join Curt Cignetti at Indiana in 2024. That led him to a spot in the Top 10 in the Heisman Trophy voting and a College Football Playoff appearance amid the Hoosiers’ historic season.
Rourke threw for 3,042 yards and a career-high 29 touchdowns to help lead the IU offense into the CFP. He also quietly played with a partially torn ACL, NFL Network’s Tom Pelissero reported, which shows his toughness that could make an impression on scouts ahead of the pre-draft process.
10. Riley Leonard, Notre Dame
Another true dual-threat, Riley Leonard has shown his ability to beat teams with both his arm and his legs. That especially proved true in the Sugar Bowl against Georgia when he had 170 total yards – 90 passing and 80 rushing.
Leonard’s legs are a big reason why he’s so dangerous as he totaled 831 rushing yards and 15 touchdowns. But he also showed growth as a passer, completing 66.1% of his passes for 2,383 yards and 18 touchdowns – and he appeared in Mel Kiper Jr.’s Top 10 QB rankings as Notre Dame gets ready for the Orange Bowl.
Here's a recently updated Top 10 QB Rankings from Mel Kiper. There's a few I disagree so I imagine some of you will find some head-scratchers. That said, nice to where there's a Will there's a way staring us right between the lookers at #7. If you click on the link below it starts with his Top 10 QBs and then it shows his Top 25 rated players.
The College Football Playoff semifinals are set, meaning only four teams remain in the 12-team bracket. That means prospects around the country are ramping up their preparation for the 2025 NFL Draft, and ESPN’s Mel Kiper Jr. made some big changes to his Top 10 QB rankings.
Kiper’s top two quarterbacks stayed the same from last week’s update. Colorado star Shedeur Sanders and Miami standout Cam Ward remain No. 1 and No. 2, respectively, after their respective bowl games. But there was plenty of movement the rest of the way, including one player who jumped up four spots to No. 3.
The evaluation process for the 2025 NFL Draft is going to pick up soon ahead of next month’s NFL Scouting Combine. Here’s where Kiper’s Top 10 QB rankings stand ahead of the CFP semifinals.
1. Shedeur Sanders, Colorado
Throughout the year, the debate has been whether Shedeur Sanders would be the top quarterback on the board. Mel Kiper Jr. continues to project him in the top spot following Colorado’s Alamo Bowl loss to BYU.
Sanders completed an impressive 2024 season to close out his college career. He completed 74% of his passes – the best rate in the country – for 4,171 yards and 37 touchdowns, along with just seven interceptions, to help spark Colorado’s turnaround under his father, Deion Sanders.
2. Cam Ward, Miami
The other quarterback consistently discussed atop draft boards, Cam Ward increased his stock in a big way this season. He finished fourth in the Heisman Trophy voting as he led Miami’s high-powered offense.
The former Washington State quarterback put up monster numbers, throwing for 4,313 yards and an FBS-leading 39 touchdowns. He comes in as Mel Kiper Jr.’s No. 2-ranked quarterback in the 2025 NFL Draft, but is sure to be in the conversation for the top pick thanks to his ability to improvise.
3. Jaxson Dart, Ole Miss
The biggest mover in Mel Kiper Jr.’s rankings, Jaxson Dart is now the No. 3-ranked quarterback after coming in at No. 7 just a week ago. The Ole Miss standout completed his historic career in Oxford during Thursday’s Gator Bowl, and his stock is on the rise.
Dart finished his third year under Lane Kiffin on a high note. He set the program record for passing yards, and threw for 4,279 this season to boost his draft stock and create an interesting conversation for evaluators.
4. Jalen Milroe, Alabama
In his first year under Kalen DeBoer, Jalen Milroe had an up-and-down go at Alabama. His evaluation process will surely be one to watch considering his dual-threat ability, and Mel Kiper Jr. ranked him as his No. 4 quarterback in the draft.
Milroe threw for 2,844 yards and 16 touchdowns, along with 11 interceptions, but set a new career-high with 726 rushing yards and 20 touchdowns on the ground. That adds to the intrigue about how teams will assess his stock through the pre-draft process.
5. Carson Beck, Georgia
Perhaps the most interesting evaluation in the draft, Carson Beck started the year as the virtual consensus top quarterback prospect. A rollercoaster season and late injury meant he fell down draft boards, though, and added to the uncertainty around where he’d go after declaring.
Beck threw for 3,485 yards and a career-high 28 touchdowns, but his 12 interceptions led the SEC thanks to a tough stretch mid-season. To make his prospects even more interesting, he suffered a torn UCL in the SEC Championship that required surgery, although Georgia said he should be able to start throwing come spring.
6. Quinn Ewers, Texas
Quinn Ewers presents another intriguing case for evaluators. The Texas quarterback set a career-high with 29 touchdown passes in 13 games, but he also has 11 interceptions to his name amid an up-and-down year.
Ewers delivered when it mattered, though, in the Longhorns’ College Football Playoff quarterfinal game against Arizona State. On 4th-and-13 in overtime, he threw the game-tying touchdown pass to Matthew Golden and proceeded to find Gunnar Helm for the game-winner in the second OT period to send Texas to the Cotton Bowl.
7. Will Howard, Ohio State
Ohio State found a new gear through the College Football Playoff, and Will Howard is a big reason why. He has been red-hot during the postseason and he appears at No. 7 in Mel Kiper Jr.’s Top 10 QB rankings after not making the cut last week.
Howard is in the midst of the best year of his college career after transferring from Kansas State, throwing for 3,498 yards and 32 touchdowns. His connection with true freshman Jeremiah Smith kickstarted the offense through the Buckeyes’ first two CFP games, setting up an exciting matchup against Texas in the Cotton Bowl.
8. Tyler Shough, Louisville
In his seventh year of college football – and only one at Louisville – Tyler Shough delivered the best numbers of his career. He also moved up to No. 8 in Mel Kiper’s Top 10 QB rankings this week amid the shakeup.
Shough threw for 3,149 yards and 23 yards, setting new career-highs in both categories. He previously spent three years at both Oregon and Texas Tech, but could see what lies ahead at the NFL level now that his college days are over.
9. Kurtis Rourke, Indiana
After a decorated career at Ohio, Kurtis Rourke opted to join Curt Cignetti at Indiana in 2024. That led him to a spot in the Top 10 in the Heisman Trophy voting and a College Football Playoff appearance amid the Hoosiers’ historic season.
Rourke threw for 3,042 yards and a career-high 29 touchdowns to help lead the IU offense into the CFP. He also quietly played with a partially torn ACL, NFL Network’s Tom Pelissero reported, which shows his toughness that could make an impression on scouts ahead of the pre-draft process.
10. Riley Leonard, Notre Dame
Another true dual-threat, Riley Leonard has shown his ability to beat teams with both his arm and his legs. That especially proved true in the Sugar Bowl against Georgia when he had 170 total yards – 90 passing and 80 rushing.
Leonard’s legs are a big reason why he’s so dangerous as he totaled 831 rushing yards and 15 touchdowns. But he also showed growth as a passer, completing 66.1% of his passes for 2,383 yards and 18 touchdowns – and he appeared in Mel Kiper Jr.’s Top 10 QB rankings as Notre Dame gets ready for the Orange Bowl.
How in the hell is Milroe #4 QB? Laughable
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Ahh, it's only money.
Look what we give our useless QB. IMO, we have a great many needs and that it's not the time to be adding to the list.
No question, but we are also building for the future and Joke isn't a part of that. Add in we will probably draft a TE anyway.
Njoku has some value. I think we need to cash in and see what kind of pick we might get. As you said, we have many needs.
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To Flugels post on Qbs. I have been talking about Dart for a good while. I think he can be a pretty darn good NFL QB. I'd take him over Sanders. Sanders is 40% HYPE.
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To Flugels post on Qbs. I have been talking about Dart for a good while. I think he can be a pretty darn good NFL QB. I'd take him over Sanders. Sanders is 40% HYPE.
To Flugels post on Qbs. I have been talking about Dart for a good while. I think he can be a pretty darn good NFL QB. I'd take him over Sanders. Sanders is 40% HYPE.
I'm actually charting Ward vs Duke and Dart vs Tulane right now.
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By 4:30pm on Sunday (tomorrow) we will know what draft pick we have.
If we get into position to draft one of the top two QB's in the draft, Why would we not draft one?
You CAN say that you think that Watson is the answer to our QB position going forward. But I don't think that anyone will say that.
DON'T say because we have other needs! There is no greater need in any of the major sports than the NFL QB.
DON'T say because he'll get beat to crap because we won't have enough draft capitol to fix the OL and running game while he's trying to learn the NFL speed / game. We have Watson that we could throw out there to the wolves while the new QB soaks the stuff in. (or a different veteran QB that we might round out the QB room with. And because there IS free agency to help the OL)
You CAN say that neither of the top 2 QB's will be any good in the NFL. (or the one that we CAN get won't be any good) - But you had better be right. Because if those two go on to have good careers, and you passed them up, then your negligence is as bad as the Watson trade - unless you found THE GEM in a later round (but I wouldn't bet my GM job on that).
Bailey Crappee, DTR and Winston certainly won't be the answer...and I doubt any of you think that Watson will be.
Just sayin'. We need a QB first and foremost.
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Just because we need a QB doesn’t mean we force the issue, Orion.
If they really like one of them, go for it. I just do not think either are guys that justify being such high picks. The list of QBs drafted way too high and flaming out is a loooooong one, and I’d rather the Browns not add to it.
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If we get #2, what's that mean?
Does NE automatically take a QB or trade back?
Does it just mean we lose trade status with someone looking for a QB?
Any chance NE stays at #1 and picks someone different that doesn't affect us?
Whatever the case, I trust this FO to make the best choice. ?
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If we get #2, what's that mean?
Does NE automatically take a QB or trade back?
Does it just mean we lose trade status with someone looking for a QB?
Any chance NE stays at #1 and picks someone different that doesn't affect us?
Whatever the case, I trust this FO to make the best choice. ?
If we get #2, what's that mean?
Does NE automatically take a QB or trade back?
Does it just mean we lose trade status with someone looking for a QB?
Any chance NE stays at #1 and picks someone different that doesn't affect us?
Whatever the case, I trust this FO to make the best choice. ?
You take Ward if he's there. Kid is athletic, big arm, a variety of throws, and has some through for his team when needed. Sure he had to play hero ball but if you had Miami's defense you need to.
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Just because we need a QB doesn’t mean we force the issue, Orion.
If they really like one of them, go for it. I just do not think either are guys that justify being such high picks. The list of QBs drafted way too high and flaming out is a loooooong one, and I’d rather the Browns not add to it.
Just because we need a QB doesn’t mean we force the issue, Orion.
If they really like one of them, go for it. I just do not think either are guys that justify being such high picks. The list of QBs drafted way too high and flaming out is a loooooong one, and I’d rather the Browns not add to it.
That puts you in the You Better Be Right category.
If we get #2, what's that mean? That we're in position to get one of the top 2
Does NE automatically take a QB or trade back? Trade back. Giants, Raiders, Titans, etc. will knock on their door. They have Drake Maye and need a lot. They would trade out.
Does it just mean we lose trade status with someone looking for a QB? I wouldn't entertain trading out when we need one as bad as they do.
Any chance NE stays at #1 and picks someone different that doesn't affect us? The odd of them staying put and drafting is not zero...but I think less than 1% chance.
Whatever the case, I trust this FO to make the best choice. ? LOL
We need a QB. We have to swing the bat.
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Just because we need a QB doesn’t mean we force the issue, Orion.
If they really like one of them, go for it. I just do not think either are guys that justify being such high picks. The list of QBs drafted way too high and flaming out is a loooooong one, and I’d rather the Browns not add to it.
That puts you in the You Better Be Right category.
If we get #2, what's that mean? That we're in position to get one of the top 2
Does NE automatically take a QB or trade back? Trade back. Giants, Raiders, Titans, etc. will knock on their door. They have Drake Maye and need a lot. They would trade out.
Does it just mean we lose trade status with someone looking for a QB? I wouldn't entertain trading out when we need one as bad as they do.
Any chance NE stays at #1 and picks someone different that doesn't affect us? The odd of them staying put and drafting is not zero...but I think less than 1% chance.
Whatever the case, I trust this FO to make the best choice. ? LOL
We need a QB. We have to swing the bat.
We need a QB. We have to swing the bat.
Just because you need to get on base doesn't mean you *have* to swing at bad pitches.
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Just because you need to get on base doesn't mean you *have* to swing at bad pitches.
So are you putting yourself in the You Better Be Right category? In that you don't think that either of the top 2 QB's are worth drafting if you're picking #1 or 2?
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So are you putting yourself in the You Better Be Right category? In that you don't think that either of the top 2 QB's are worth drafting if you're picking #1 or 2?
I think "worth" is subjective in this case when you take multiple things into consideration.
The biggest of those being the baggage and circus that comes with my #1 QB (Sanders) It's bad enough and only speaks to how hilariously in flames it could go up in Cleveland... that proverbial "How did they NOT see this coming?".
Right now the name being floated most for #2 QB is Cam Ward and he isn't as consistent as my #2 QB from last season (Maye)
It's early in my charting, but I'm weighing current value vs historic value. Need is a terrible evaluator of talent and for every draft like 2024 that may include multiple hits, you have 5 more drafts that include multiple 1st round busts.
My argument is simply this - if you're not in love with the game you see, no, you don't *HAVE* to take a QB just because you need to address the position. That's a fool's errand.
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So are you putting yourself in the You Better Be Right category? In that you don't think that either of the top 2 QB's are worth drafting if you're picking #1 or 2?
I think "worth" is subjective in this case when you take multiple things into consideration.
The biggest of those being the baggage and circus that comes with my #1 QB (Sanders) It's bad enough and only speaks to how hilariously in flames it could go up in Cleveland... that proverbial "How did they NOT see this coming?".
Right now the name being floated most for #2 QB is Cam Ward and he isn't as consistent as my #2 QB from last season (Maye)
It's early in my charting, but I'm weighing current value vs historic value. Need is a terrible evaluator of talent and for every draft like 2024 that may include multiple hits, you have 5 more drafts that include multiple 1st round busts.
My argument is simply this - if you're not in love with the game you see, no, you don't *HAVE* to take a QB just because you need to address the position. That's a fool's errand.
My argument is simply this - if you're not in love with the game you see, no, you don't *HAVE* to take a QB just because you need to address the position. That's a fool's errand.
You are the current GM of the Browns. The whole football world has watched us this season (including Haslem). You're picking 1st or 2nd and you don't pick a QB. (pick a different position or trade out) IMO, you've put your head on the chopping block and you're praying to God that those two QB's suck...or somehow you come up with one (out of your ass, or elsewhere) that can throw touchdown passes to get your team to credibility the following season. Your job is on the line here, so, You Better Be Right. The LT, Edge, whatever you draft cannot throw touchdown passes.
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My argument is simply this - if you're not in love with the game you see, no, you don't *HAVE* to take a QB just because you need to address the position. That's a fool's errand.
You are the current GM of the Browns. The whole football world has watched us this season (including Haslem). You're picking 1st or 2nd and you don't pick a QB. (pick a different position or trade out) IMO, you've put your head on the chopping block and you're praying to God that those two QB's suck...or somehow you come up with one (out of your ass, or elsewhere) that can throw touchdown passes to get your team to credibility the following season. Your job is on the line here, so, You Better Be Right. The LT, Edge, whatever you draft cannot throw touchdown passes.
You are the current GM of the Browns. The whole football world has watched us this season (including Haslem). You're picking 1st or 2nd and you don't pick a QB. (pick a different position or trade out) IMO, you've put your head on the chopping block and you're praying to God that those two QB's suck...
Again, it's a fairly straight forward answer. When you remove the 'need'... is the QB you're evaluating checking the boxes and hitting the marks you look for. No? Then I don't care how great my need is, I'm not pulling the trigger as the GM of the Browns on a QB whose game I'm simply not loving. Regardless of the chopping block.
Imagine had the Vikings not taken a highly suspect Christian Ponder and instead any of the 3 pro-bowlers that were drafted immediately after him on the defensive side?
There were 5 pro-bowlers in the next 8 picks after the Browns took a damn-near 30 year old Brandon Weeden.
What if the Brownies held tight at #26, took Bito there, then dipped into the WR pool for Hoyer at #35 and went after Allen Robinson or Davante' Adams? You probably get a better late season shot at that wild card. And you don't sink the team the next season by saddling them with a QB who shouldn't have been on roster, let alone prepared to play at an NFL level and lead.
Sure, you didn't "address" the QB position in these scenarios like the fans and ownership wanted. But you still took a player that ended up being a multi-year high level starter and didn't waste precious draft capital. It's something I've recently warned a friend about in his personal life, doing what everyday people do - creating failed personal relationships by attempting to fill a role (husband, wife, boyfriend, girlfriend) simply because they feel they want or 'need' one, with a person who really isn't a match.
Football is funny like life, which is why you hear evaluators say "In love with *insert player here's* game" It's a lot like that. You don't say "She's nice, I'll marry here because I need a wife". You build your life, find the person, THEN you fill the role.
If the QB doesn't speak to your heart, eyes and mind, you don't draft him.
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You are the current GM of the Browns. The whole football world has watched us this season (including Haslem). You're picking 1st or 2nd and you don't pick a QB. (pick a different position or trade out) IMO, you've put your head on the chopping block and you're praying to God that those two QB's suck...
Again, it's a fairly straight forward answer. When you remove the 'need'... is the QB you're evaluating checking the boxes and hitting the marks you look for. No? Then I don't care how great my need is, I'm not pulling the trigger as the GM of the Browns on a QB whose game I'm simply not loving. Regardless of the chopping block.
Imagine had the Vikings not taken a highly suspect Christian Ponder and instead any of the 3 pro-bowlers that were drafted immediately after him on the defensive side?
There were 5 pro-bowlers in the next 8 picks after the Browns took a damn-near 30 year old Brandon Weeden.
What if the Brownies held tight at #26, took Bito there, then dipped into the WR pool for Hoyer at #35 and went after Allen Robinson or Davante' Adams? You probably get a better late season shot at that wild card. And you don't sink the team the next season by saddling them with a QB who shouldn't have been on roster, let alone prepared to play at an NFL level and lead.
Sure, you didn't "address" the QB position in these scenarios like the fans and ownership wanted. But you still took a player that ended up being a multi-year high level starter and didn't waste precious draft capital. It's something I've recently warned a friend about in his personal life, doing what everyday people do - creating failed personal relationships by attempting to fill a role (husband, wife, boyfriend, girlfriend) simply because they feel they want or 'need' one, with a person who really isn't a match.
Football is funny like life, which is why you hear evaluators say "In love with *insert player here's* game" It's a lot like that. You don't say "She's nice, I'll marry here because I need a wife". You build your life, find the person, THEN you fill the role.
If the QB doesn't speak to your heart, eyes and mind, you don't draft him.
If the QB doesn't speak to your heart, eyes and mind, you don't draft him.
Again, you are then saying that neither of the top 2 QB's are worth drafting at the top of the draft. So you're in the You Better Be Right category. - Obviously, there's a lot of time between now and draft day. A lot of evaluations. Pro days. Meeting players perhaps. We can be pretty sure that neither will do anything at the combine...because the top draft picks don't do that anymore.
I'm just saying that if you're picking #1 or #2....and there are 2 QB's that the general consensus says will go in the top 3 or 4 picks, and you're QB room just plain sucks like ours....and you don't pick one of 'em because YOU say they're not worthy to be picked...then You Better Be Right. Because without a decent QB your team isn't going to do too well. As we've witnessed.
Now, this girl that nice that you speak of...can she cook?
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If the QB doesn't speak to your heart, eyes and mind, you don't draft him.
Again, you are then saying that neither of the top 2 QB's are worth drafting at the top of the draft. So you're in the You Better Be Right category. - Obviously, there's a lot of time between now and draft day. A lot of evaluations. Pro days. Meeting players perhaps. We can be pretty sure that neither will do anything at the combine...because the top draft picks don't do that anymore.
I'm just saying that if you're picking #1 or #2....and there are 2 QB's that the general consensus says will go in the top 3 or 4 picks, and you're QB room just plain sucks like ours....and you don't pick one of 'em because YOU say they're not worthy to be picked...then You Better Be Right. Because without a decent QB your team isn't going to do too well. As we've witnessed.
Now, this girl that nice that you speak of...can she cook?
Because without a decent QB your team isn't going to do too well. As we've witnessed.
Now, this girl that nice that you speak of...can she cook?
And with a rookie QB having the support that any QB had on this team this year, they won't do well either and you'll like rush and/or hinder their development. Because in the modern NFL, we can't tell these fans, GM's and owners to shut up and be patient.
Mine's a baker, she loves the holidays especially for such things with her family. It's dangerous because I'm not the type that just likes gaining 5lbs, but it's pretty easy with delicious stuff ?
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So apparently top 3 is guaranteed, which a chance at #1.
Is my gut telling me that we will find a way to screw this up, all part of being a Brownie?
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Hard to believe that Sanders and Ward are worse QBs than what we have. I think both have very high ceilings. Outside of that it's a bigger gamble. QB is the most important position and obviously our biggest need.
The amount of rookies that play in their rookie season nd do well continues to rise. The NFL is changing and while it may not be easier to be a QB it's certainly less dangerous with the provided protection.
I don't see how we could pass up a guy like Ward. I'd say keep Winston for a mentor and as someone who can help build positivity and culture.
To me these 2 QBs are worth an early pick from teams who have 0 talent at QB.
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