Gregg Doyel CBS Sports NATIONAL columnist
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@shepwrite said:
Let's call it like it is: Our coach is an asshole and neither of our quarterbacks is or will be top 25 at his position. We don't have a great running back. Our defense still sucks ass.Just read that the Browns definitely have Chin's number on speed dial. This is such an ugly meltdown, I don't think Mangini survives it. Remember when we could say, "At least we didn't get Josh McDaniels." Now he's 3-0 with Kyle Freaking Orton.
We need to start over yet again with a new coach and a new quarterback and a whole lot of other pieces. It needs to be BIG... like the Chin.
If the chin comes here im officially retiring my browns fandom in favor of playing fantasy football and never rooting for a specific team again.
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Or how about these players grow some xxxxing balls, quit behaving like a bunch of coddled pussies, and take some pride in the franchise and city they play for. Awwww is coach being too tough? xxxx you! I say blow this whole piece of shit team up (except Cribbs) and let Mangini and Kokinis build it from the ground up. Mangini knows what it means to be a part of this organization and what it means to the city and its fans. I'm SO xxxxING SICK of these primadonnas who look at playing for the Browns as just a paycheck. Jim Brown, the greatest football player of all time, has endorsed Mangini because Mangini has the same mentality that made this organization great before Fart Modell sold us all out and moved the team. I'm seriously so sick of the guys that wear Browns jerseys for us every Sunday. They aren't the Cleveland Browns, they're imposters wearing Cleveland Browns jerseys who are tarnishing the storied franchise that is the Cleveland Browns. Son of a bitch, this shit makes me want to run through a brick wall.
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Lerner would be wise to fire fatgini right now he may prolong the media and fan thrashing and backlash he has had coming for a while otherwise many fans myself included are going to call for his head and may regardless..
Who would take over? No one would even want to coach this team except one of the current assistants.
AdaM said:
Who would take over? No one would even want to coach this team except one of the current assistants.Man I don't know if it really matters right now. I am not thinking this thing through right now, but I am just so fed up with hanging on to coaches who don't effectively put a team in position to succeed. I would seriously engage some of the HC's out there - Holmgren, Shanahan, Cowher - right the fook now for next season.
How do you choose (waste) two 2nd round picks on WR's when your defense sucks? Then, you don't play said WR's?
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@shepwrite said:
Let's call it like it is: Our coach is an asshole and neither of our quarterbacks is or will be top 25 at his position. We don't have a great running back. Our defense still sucks ass.Just read that the Browns definitely have Chin's number on speed dial. This is such an ugly meltdown, I don't think Mangini survives it. Remember when we could say, "At least we didn't get Josh McDaniels." Now he's 3-0 with Kyle Freaking Orton.
We need to start over yet again with a new coach and a new quarterback and a whole lot of other pieces. It needs to be BIG... like the Chin.
If the chin comes here im officially retiring my browns fandom in favor of playing fantasy football and never rooting for a specific team again.
AdaM said:
If the chin comes here im officially retiring my browns fandom in favor of playing fantasy football and never rooting for a specific team again.I dislike the asshole as much as anyone, but if it meant we would turn into a winner then damn...I guess i'm on board. I hate myself a little just for saying it.
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The Spitting Chin wouldn't come here.
Too much damage has been done, bad drafts, too many coaches, media not supportive,
irate fans who still pay $$$$$$$$$$ to go to the stadium.
One more game like this, and I will be upset that we didn't invent the "bagheads" like
the Saints' fans did. Well, at least I think they did...
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I do think there's some middle ground here.
Mangini is undeniably bent on controlling everything this year. But he did that in NY, too, while assembling quite a decent roster that is now 3-0 behind a rookie starter. He did SOME things right.
On the other hand, it took Rex Ryan freeing up that talent for them to start this way. It's also undeniable that guys who enjoy their work perform better.
So the real question right now is: how do you find out what makes guys tick? How do you KNOW, with any degree of certainty, what makes a guy go out and play his best on Sunday?
One of the age-old answers is: you break him ALL THE WAY DOWN and see how he reacts.
I think -- I HOPE -- that's what's happening here. Mangini is methodically breaking this team all the way down. And yes, some -- many -- guys will hate him for it.
But some guys won't. Some guys are likely fed up with the prima donnas they've been around their whole football lives. Some guys probably actually care about things like their teammates, about team, about responsibility and accountability. Those are the guys Mangini is looking for, I guarantee you.
What kind of guys? Look at ManKok's first draft class. I think that gives a pretty clear idea of what kind of guy might buy into this type of system. Smart, dedicated, football-bred guys who understand football is ultimately a TEAM game.
So, it's really ugly but it's really early. I'm still on board, if for no other reason than it's going to be a spectacular ride, one way or another.
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Is it possible that the browns really are this bad? I wasnt expecting much out of this year but wholly crap what a nightmare.
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@shepwrite said:
Let's call it like it is: Our coach is an asshole and neither of our quarterbacks is or will be top 25 at his position. We don't have a great running back. Our defense still sucks ass.Just read that the Browns definitely have Chin's number on speed dial. This is such an ugly meltdown, I don't think Mangini survives it. Remember when we could say, "At least we didn't get Josh McDaniels." Now he's 3-0 with Kyle Freaking Orton.
We need to start over yet again with a new coach and a new quarterback and a whole lot of other pieces. It needs to be BIG... like the Chin.
If the chin comes here im officially retiring my browns fandom in favor of playing fantasy football and never rooting for a specific team again.
AdaM said:
If the chin comes here im officially retiring my browns fandom in favor of playing fantasy football and never rooting for a specific team again.I would take the Chin over the muffin top that's for sure. We should have gotten Marty or Bill during the off season. Or maybe Gruden, or maybe even B i l l i c K. Anyone would have been better than muffin top..
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Is it possible that the browns really are this bad? I wasnt expecting much out of this year but wholly crap what a nightmare.
Is it possible that the browns really are this bad? I wasnt expecting much out of this year but wholly crap what a nightmare.
3 weeks now with horrible play calling... and Players looking like crap.
What ticked me off the most was the fact that when they did Bring DA into the game... RUNNING PLAYS... Here is a guy known for his arm and what do they do... The same BS. COME ON.
Fire the entire coaching staff... NOW!!!
3 Weeks of the exact same play calling, same results, same crap. I'm tired of it. And it's not even the QB issue now. Rizzo and Bernie were talking this morning that right now, this has nothing to do with the QB and who starts. The team is a mess and I think they know that it's Mangini and the coaching staff...
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@shepwrite said:
Let's call it like it is: Our coach is an asshole and neither of our quarterbacks is or will be top 25 at his position. We don't have a great running back. Our defense still sucks ass.Just read that the Browns definitely have Chin's number on speed dial. This is such an ugly meltdown, I don't think Mangini survives it. Remember when we could say, "At least we didn't get Josh McDaniels." Now he's 3-0 with Kyle Freaking Orton.
We need to start over yet again with a new coach and a new quarterback and a whole lot of other pieces. It needs to be BIG... like the Chin.
If the chin comes here im officially retiring my browns fandom in favor of playing fantasy football and never rooting for a specific team again.
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WOW! Harsh doesn't even touch that one. Give it some time. Hopefully there is some progress throughout the season (It can't get any worse as we are already last in the power rankings). If not, it's time to revert to the Browns fan motto: "there's always next year". Shanahan, Chuckie, and Cowher are all sitting the pine this year waiting for a shot.
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@shepwrite said:
Let's call it like it is: Our coach is an asshole and neither of our quarterbacks is or will be top 25 at his position. We don't have a great running back. Our defense still sucks ass.Just read that the Browns definitely have Chin's number on speed dial. This is such an ugly meltdown, I don't think Mangini survives it. Remember when we could say, "At least we didn't get Josh McDaniels." Now he's 3-0 with Kyle Freaking Orton.
We need to start over yet again with a new coach and a new quarterback and a whole lot of other pieces. It needs to be BIG... like the Chin.
What commends the Chin? That he lost a whole lot of meaningful games to the Patriots where he was plain out out-managed. The team just won a SB without him. In fact, the transition has been seamless if they haven't gotten a boost. Did Chin have say over who the team drafted? Honestly, I like the team that Mangini left in New York a whole lot.
What was Belicheck his first year at NE? 5-11 I think. Lost their first 4. They had Bledsoe and some other real NFL players too. Mangini took over this crap roster with a lack of draft picks this year and little room under the cap to really get what this team needs. Hell, they are three solid drafts and a lot of sound FA moves to get to a point of a competitive roster.
We saw McDonald and Wright make these same "rookie mistakes" last year. We saw DQ get swallowed up any time they ran the ball right at him. We saw Wimbley pull his disappearing act and Pool whiff on open field tackle after open field tackle -- and these are the BETTER players Mangini inherited. Had they quit on Romeo? No. They just aren't very good.
And WTF is this about players "quitting" anyway? How many of these guys will even get a chance with another NFL team if they quit here? Who on the roster other than Rogers/Thomas/Cribbs is not a dime a dozen?
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really because Cleveland so loved Belicheck when he was our coach....... he was such a likeable fellow.... this writer is a idiot.
Things normally get worse before they get better.
Its his first year and this is really not his people yet, I could see if this was his third year...
Keep in mind that the Baltimore press knew Mangini from the Browns' move to Baltimore. He worked under the first coach. So they've seen their share of Mangini.
really because Cleveland so loved Belicheck when he was our coach....... he was such a likeable fellow.... this writer is a idiot.
Things normally get worse before they get better.
Its his first year and this is really not his people yet, I could see if this was his third year...
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Lerner would be wise to fire fatgini right now he may prolong the media and fan thrashing and backlash he has had coming for a while otherwise many fans myself included are going to call for his head and may regardless..
Who would take over? No one would even want to coach this team except one of the current assistants.
AdaM said:
Who would take over? No one would even want to coach this team except one of the current assistants.So pull the trigger anyways. See if you got someone in house who can fix this. You don't know what you got until you use it. Just give someone else a shot (who the players actually want to win for) and see if you can build on that. If one of the assistants can't win, then no big deal. This season is a wash, but I think getting rid of Mangini now could certainly get the players fired up and perhaps into the endzone once before the season ends.
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I do think there's some middle ground here.... Damajuki
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Actually, this is a brilliant take.
Tearing the group down, then weeding out the ones who don't care, don't want to be part of the team,
and replacing them, building the entire team as a great group of unselfish FOOT
BALL PLAYERS !
Kinda reminds me of going to through basic training for some reason... @@
But why play the ones who don't care now?
Sorry, but one glaring example to me, is Braylon. He seemed to sandbag on Quinn, then seemed to get
excited and full speed with DA. Maybe because he gets to show off when the "all he can do is throw long well" qb
gets him the ball a lot? To make more $$$ when he leaves as a free agent ?
Braylon has already whined about the fans not liking him because he went to Michigan....
I really, really, really would have traded his butt out of town before last year's draft.
Ya know, I went to the grocery store, and they had a life size stand up cutout poster, of Robieski in Browns gear.
Now, he doesn't even get to play, because of Edwards?
And McDonald, is he so dim, that he STILL hasn't learned to look back at the ball just before it gets there?
He has never learned that when the wr breaks off his route and curls in, that he is supposed to be ready to do the same?
Is there any kind of reason why the Browns' defense just stands behind most all receivers, and simply let them catch
the ball most every time?
I don't know. I just don't know.
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Lerner would be wise to fire fatgini right now he may prolong the media and fan thrashing and backlash he has had coming for a while otherwise many fans myself included are going to call for his head and may regardless..
Who would take over? No one would even want to coach this team except one of the current assistants.
AdaM said:
Who would take over? No one would even want to coach this team except one of the current assistants.no way, we are not the Oakland Raiders.
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Damn...last week I said It was a dick move to fine the players, That that's the recipe for losing a team, That the team had quit on Mangini......And all you fkrs jumped on the hate train to me....Not one of you freaks stood up and agreed with me....Now look at ya....I was right and Am right....Just like with this love afair with Dqwell ( I'm not a 3-4 ILB) jackson, and Eric(i suck) barton! Open your eyes people....where's my propa's
P.S.... I told you quinn would get pulled after watching the first to unwatchable games.
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Damn...last week I said It was a dick move to fine the players, That that's the recipe for losing a team, That the team had quit on Mangini......And all you fkrs jumped on the hate train to me....Not one of you freaks stood up and agreed with me....Now look at ya....I was right and Am right....Just like with this love afair with Dqwell ( I'm not a 3-4 ILB) jackson, and Eric(i suck) barton! Open your eyes people....where's my propa's
P.S.... I told you quinn would get pulled after watching the first to unwatchable games.
Damn...last week I said It was a dick move to fine the players, That that's the recipe for losing a team, That the team had quit on Mangini......And all you fkrs jumped on the hate train to me....Not one of you freaks stood up and agreed with me....Now look at ya....I was right and Am right....Just like with this love afair with Dqwell ( I'm not a 3-4 ILB) jackson, and Eric(i suck) barton! Open your eyes people....where's my propa's
P.S.... I told you quinn would get pulled after watching the first to unwatchable games.
That's what I thought!!!!!!
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