Currently our 2025 first round pick is....
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I'll take Lamar, his 1 playoff win, and several real bad exits over whatever this product we're watching is.
I'm on board with giving up the pick and waiting until we draft again at #1 in 2 years for the perfect QB - Arch Manning.
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There was a Louisville Cardinal fan who used to be on here, and in the off-season of Darnold vs Baker vs Allen vs Rosen this guy was the only person pimping Lamar. I don't recall anyone else on here even remotely giving Jackson a second look.
I remember him, he also wanted us to pick up Greg Roman and run an option heavy offense.
Obviously it's had great NFL success regular season. Until you realize that Lamar has one playoff win, and several *real* bad exits including first round bounces his first two years.
Depending on matchups, might bet against BLT round 1.
I remember him, he also wanted us to pick up Greg Roman and run an option heavy offense.
Obviously it's had great NFL success regular season. Until you realize that Lamar has one playoff win, and several *real* bad exits including first round bounces his first two years.
Depending on matchups, might bet against BLT round 1.
You can build a winning organization with that though, watch Hard Knocks to see the how far behind we are in the AFC North in that regard. You need several winning seasons in a row to compete for a SB not a flukey season here and there which is what we've done the last few years.
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I'll take Lamar, his 1 playoff win, and several real bad exits over whatever this product we're watching is.
I'm on board with giving up the pick and waiting until we draft again at #1 in 2 years for the perfect QB - Arch Manning.
I'll take Lamar, his 1 playoff win, and several real bad exits over whatever this product we're watching is.
I'm on board with giving up the pick and waiting until we draft again at #1 in 2 years for the perfect QB - Arch Manning.
He could very well declare after next season - so for the 2026 Draft. Next season will be his third college season.
And you aren't the first person I've heard/read talk about tanking for Arch Manning, but he's had all of 95 college passes so far. Great genes, though.
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So, I'm reading that people actually want us to suck for a year or two more. Because the QB grass will be greener in a year or two. That's nice. In the meantime, can you give me the winning lottery numbers?
What makes anyone think that we will be the only team in contention to draft a QB next year...or the year after?
4 more moths before we find out what we do.....
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So, I'm reading that people actually want us to suck for a year or two more. Because the QB grass will be greener in a year or two. That's nice. In the meantime, can you give me the winning lottery numbers?
What makes anyone think that we will be the only team in contention to draft a QB next year...or the year after?
4 more moths before we find out what we do.....
So, I'm reading that people actually want us to suck for a year or two more. Because the QB grass will be greener in a year or two. That's nice. In the meantime, can you give me the winning lottery numbers?
What makes anyone think that we will be the only team in contention to draft a QB next year...or the year after?
4 more moths before we find out what we do.....
This year's QB class is not good. This isn't news.
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So, I'm reading that people actually want us to suck for a year or two more. Because the QB grass will be greener in a year or two. That's nice. In the meantime, can you give me the winning lottery numbers?
What makes anyone think that we will be the only team in contention to draft a QB next year...or the year after?
4 more moths before we find out what we do.....
So, I'm reading that people actually want us to suck for a year or two more. Because the QB grass will be greener in a year or two. That's nice. In the meantime, can you give me the winning lottery numbers?
What makes anyone think that we will be the only team in contention to draft a QB next year...or the year after?
4 more moths before we find out what we do.....
It's the Browns. I'm sure they'll draft a stud LT, shore up the offensive line, get an amazing kicker, and a stud punt/kick returner. We can still watch putrid football but we'll be able to brag to all our friends about how we have the best O line in the league.
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So, I'm reading that people actually want us to suck for a year or two more. Because the QB grass will be greener in a year or two. That's nice. In the meantime, can you give me the winning lottery numbers?
What makes anyone think that we will be the only team in contention to draft a QB next year...or the year after?
4 more moths before we find out what we do.....
This year's QB class is not good. This isn't news.
This year's QB class is not good. This isn't news.
How was last year's QB class ranked?
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So, I'm reading that people actually want us to suck for a year or two more. Because the QB grass will be greener in a year or two. That's nice. In the meantime, can you give me the winning lottery numbers?
What makes anyone think that we will be the only team in contention to draft a QB next year...or the year after?
4 more moths before we find out what we do.....
It's the Browns. I'm sure they'll draft a stud LT, shore up the offensive line, get an amazing kicker, and a stud punt/kick returner. We can still watch putrid football but we'll be able to brag to all our friends about how we have the best O line in the league.
It's the Browns. I'm sure they'll draft a stud LT, shore up the offensive line, get an amazing kicker, and a stud punt/kick returner. We can still watch putrid football but we'll be able to brag to all our friends about how we have the best O line in the league.
What we should do is reach for a QB at #2 overall, watch him get his brains beat in, develop horrible habits, then move off him in a few years and have to go and get ANOTHER QB.
That would be tits.
But as long as YOU are entertained.
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This year's QB class is not good. This isn't news.
How was last year's QB class ranked?
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It's the Browns. I'm sure they'll draft a stud LT, shore up the offensive line, get an amazing kicker, and a stud punt/kick returner. We can still watch putrid football but we'll be able to brag to all our friends about how we have the best O line in the league.
What we should do is reach for a QB at #2 overall, watch him get his brains beat in, develop horrible habits, then move off him in a few years and have to go and get ANOTHER QB.
That would be tits.
But as long as YOU are entertained.
What we should do is reach for a QB at #2 overall, watch him get his brains beat in, develop horrible habits, then move off him in a few years and have to go and get ANOTHER QB.
That would be tits.
But as long as YOU are entertained.
Hell yeah. That's what I'm talking about. Tim Couch era again.
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I'll take Lamar, his 1 playoff win, and several real bad exits over whatever this product we're watching is.
I'm on board with giving up the pick and waiting until we draft again at #1 in 2 years for the perfect QB - Arch Manning.
He could very well declare after next season - so for the 2026 Draft. Next season will be his third college season.
And you aren't the first person I've heard/read talk about tanking for Arch Manning, but he's had all of 95 college passes so far. Great genes, though.
He could very well declare after next season - so for the 2026 Draft. Next season will be his third college season.
And you aren't the first person I've heard/read talk about tanking for Arch Manning, but he's had all of 95 college passes so far. Great genes, though.
If he’s great and wants to come out next season - does the Manning family want him in Cleveland. Does the family pull Eli Part 2?
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So, I'm reading that people actually want us to suck for a year or two more. Because the QB grass will be greener in a year or two. That's nice. In the meantime, can you give me the winning lottery numbers?
What makes anyone think that we will be the only team in contention to draft a QB next year...or the year after?
4 more moths before we find out what we do.....
It's the Browns. I'm sure they'll draft a stud LT, shore up the offensive line, get an amazing kicker, and a stud punt/kick returner. We can still watch putrid football but we'll be able to brag to all our friends about how we have the best O line in the league.
It's the Browns. I'm sure they'll draft a stud LT, shore up the offensive line, get an amazing kicker, and a stud punt/kick returner. We can still watch putrid football but we'll be able to brag to all our friends about how we have the best O line in the league.
I hear you. We had Joe Thomas and Alex Mack blocking for guys that should have been Insurance agents (and nothing against the career/profession insert what you like). We had seasons where we NEEDED a position and we picked in the Top 10 (2020). But We benefited from some 1st/2nd round type talent on our Oline when we made a couple of playoff runs.
I can’t see a Reach again for a major need but I can see a bandaid next year and developmental guy too (DTR ain’t it). If the stars align maybe it is Cousins or some other heady pocket passer type that has some battle scars and experience.
My order of preference when you stink and pick this high. 1. Franchise QB 2. A freak pass rusher or 3. Multi Pro Bowl LT. I feel like 1 and 2 impact the game the most.
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He could very well declare after next season - so for the 2026 Draft. Next season will be his third college season.
And you aren't the first person I've heard/read talk about tanking for Arch Manning, but he's had all of 95 college passes so far. Great genes, though.
If he’s great and wants to come out next season - does the Manning family want him in Cleveland. Does the family pull Eli Part 2?
If he’s great and wants to come out next season - does the Manning family want him in Cleveland. Does the family pull Eli Part 2?
Quite possible.
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It's the Browns. I'm sure they'll draft a stud LT, shore up the offensive line, get an amazing kicker, and a stud punt/kick returner. We can still watch putrid football but we'll be able to brag to all our friends about how we have the best O line in the league.
What we should do is reach for a QB at #2 overall, watch him get his brains beat in, develop horrible habits, then move off him in a few years and have to go and get ANOTHER QB.
That would be tits.
But as long as YOU are entertained.
What we should do is reach for a QB at #2 overall, watch him get his brains beat in
If the QB at #2 is worth taking then we should take him. But I wouldn't advise throwing him in there as the starter. We have Watson that we can feed to the wolves and let the new guy live and learn. Not sure if Watson will be ready though...so we bring back someone like Brissette.
Now, if they decide that the QB available is not worth having on your team (and that's the decision you'd be making because he won't be there at the top of round 2...or even later in the round because the Raiders or the Giants or somebody will draft him) then you take the BPA or trade out. Then try to get somebody like (Jeff) Beck and see if you can develop him into a good starter.
The scenario may become clearer after the FA frenzy. If we don't bring in a sought after veteran then that'll be a tip-off as to what may happen in the draft. We'll learn more about the quality of the QB's as the months trickle by.
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I remember him, he also wanted us to pick up Greg Roman and run an option heavy offense.
Obviously it's had great NFL success regular season. Until you realize that Lamar has one playoff win, and several *real* bad exits including first round bounces his first two years.
He's Exhibit 1 for what I've said for years:
At the end of the day, for a QB to have the ultimate success, he has to learn how to win from the pocket. To be able to stand back there, make his reads and go through his progressions.
Lamar Jackson has been a phenomenal regular season QB.
He's Exhibit 1 for what I've said for years:
At the end of the day, for a QB to have the ultimate success, he has to learn how to win from the pocket. To be able to stand back there, make his reads and go through his progressions.
Lamar Jackson has been a phenomenal regular season QB.
This might be his best chance. Here's his passing stats below and then what Henry can do on the ground.
1 problem! KC has Mahomes + Spagnola's Defense at home in cold winter temperatures. When all things are equal I'd put my cake on the one playing the better defense.
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Understanding TB lost 5 of the 6 games that Mike Evans missed - maybe all Lamar needed was a WR like that. If they didn't always hand MVPs to QBs I could see Barkley & Evans being serious contenders. Even Crablegs threw 33 TD passes in TB but 30 INTs the same season put a damper on celebrating those.
Mike Evans might be the quietest super star with 11 consecutive seasons exceeding 1000 yards along with his countless TD receptions. He does wonderful things for QBs especially when you consider Johnny Manziel has a Heisman Trophy.
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It's the Browns. I'm sure they'll draft a stud LT, shore up the offensive line, get an amazing kicker, and a stud punt/kick returner. We can still watch putrid football but we'll be able to brag to all our friends about how we have the best O line in the league.
I hear you. We had Joe Thomas and Alex Mack blocking for guys that should have been Insurance agents (and nothing against the career/profession insert what you like). We had seasons where we NEEDED a position and we picked in the Top 10 (2020). But We benefited from some 1st/2nd round type talent on our Oline when we made a couple of playoff runs.
I can’t see a Reach again for a major need but I can see a bandaid next year and developmental guy too (DTR ain’t it). If the stars align maybe it is Cousins or some other heady pocket passer type that has some battle scars and experience.
My order of preference when you stink and pick this high. 1. Franchise QB 2. A freak pass rusher or 3. Multi Pro Bowl LT. I feel like 1 and 2 impact the game the most.
I hear you. We had Joe Thomas and Alex Mack blocking for guys that should have been Insurance agents (and nothing against the career/profession insert what you like). We had seasons where we NEEDED a position and we picked in the Top 10 (2020). But We benefited from some 1st/2nd round type talent on our Oline when we made a couple of playoff runs.
I can’t see a Reach again for a major need but I can see a bandaid next year and developmental guy too (DTR ain’t it). If the stars align maybe it is Cousins or some other heady pocket passer type that has some battle scars and experience.
My order of preference when you stink and pick this high. 1. Franchise QB 2. A freak pass rusher or 3. Multi Pro Bowl LT. I feel like 1 and 2 impact the game the most.
Great points! Poor Joe Thomas played 10 years and never had a good enough QB to even get them to the playoffs. The closest he came was in 2007 when the Browns had a 10-6 record. DA's Cinderella story had an early midnight so there were no playoffs.
I like your order of preference. That said, if we invest a #2 overall pick on a QB - I think we have to prioritize his blind side protection at the top of round 2 (round 3 might not be immediate impact at LT). Then, I'd go after edge rush and DT.
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So, I'm reading that people actually want us to suck for a year or two more. Because the QB grass will be greener in a year or two. That's nice. In the meantime, can you give me the winning lottery numbers?
What makes anyone think that we will be the only team in contention to draft a QB next year...or the year after?
4 more moths before we find out what we do.....
This year's QB class is not good. This isn't news.
This year's QB class is not good. This isn't news.
I wouldn't say it isn't good. There just aren't any QB's that rate high enough to push them up to the top of the 1st round.
I'd trade back just enough to still take one of our top 5 non QBs on the board. I'd take Jackson Dart if he is there at #2.
No doubt we need a QB, but we can't keep chasing qb's. That is what got us in to this position. Set the board, then stay true to the board.
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This year's QB class is not good. This isn't news.
I wouldn't say it isn't good. There just aren't any QB's that rate high enough to push them up to the top of the 1st round.
I'd trade back just enough to still take one of our top 5 non QBs on the board. I'd take Jackson Dart if he is there at #2.
No doubt we need a QB, but we can't keep chasing qb's. That is what got us in to this position. Set the board, then stay true to the board.
I wouldn't say it isn't good. There just aren't any QB's that rate high enough to push them up to the top of the 1st round.
I'd trade back just enough to still take one of our top 5 non QBs on the board. I'd take Jackson Dart if he is there at #2.
No doubt we need a QB, but we can't keep chasing qb's. That is what got us in to this position. Set the board, then stay true to the board.
I don't know, there's seems to be a general consensus that Sanders and Ward are definitely a notch below the three guys at the top of the draft in 2023 - Williams, Daniels and Maye.
Then the bottom kind of falls out of the QB class.
Like Garrett Bush said in the video I shared, if the Browns decide they aren't going to take Sanders or Ward, target four or five guys and trade down, and you are guaranteed one of them. Hopefully Ward gets taken first, and the Giants, Raiders and Jets start a bidding war for our #2 overall.
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