Browns Have #2 Overall Draft Pick
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watching Abdul Carter play, I thought at times he was a blue chip high draft pick in round one.
Then, having time to read more, and stop with the cold and sneezing etc,
Abdul Carter is a red flag character. Excellent athlete, not a football player that will be on the field when you need him.
Maybe another suspension problem.
I'd pass, the Browns have enough headaches.
May 22, 2024Abdul Carter raises significant red flags, both on and off the field, prompting questions about his draftability. Watch five games of Penn State defender Abdul Carter in 2023 embedded into this article. -
Well I was really high on Carter, but some random high school kid took him off his draft board…. ?
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Easy. You build a pass rush…insert Carter and terrorize the opposing QB. Find a Joe Flacco or equal that Kevin has proven he can work with…and you spend the next couple picks bolstering the offensive line.
Build some momentum for 2026 - just be competitive again 7/8 wins. Just put out a product that makes a December game meaningful again.
This is a two year rebuild.
There's no doubt Carter is Other Worldly off the edge as was another Penn State edge rusher the Browns drafted 1st overall in 2000. The problem with Courtney Brown was injuries and no more gimme backside clampdowns for all those unblocked tackles for losses on backside clampdowns the Big 10 gifted him. While I realize they're not the same guy in the same era - what kept interrupting Abdul Carter's brilliant game the last time he played? A very painful shoulder injury that kept flaring up. The arms and the ball and socket above them are very crucial to an edge rusher's success in the NFL.
Understanding ALL THAT with arguably the worst Medical/Sports Med Staff in the NFL hired by Jimmy for his franchise - a prospect like this almost feels like a very cruel tease. That's what worries me about this guy. The good news there is I'm more Nostradumbass than Nostradamus especially since I don't know the extent of his injury. One thing I do know is the best defensive player our current FO drafted (JOK) may never play another down this early into it all. Anyone we consider will be nitpicked so extent of injury and prognosis ahead will be a part of it for anyone we talk about. And Goodell thinks 18 games a year is a good idea...
This isn't nearly as football sexy; but there's another thing the Browns could do defensively with the 1st 2 picks. Trade back a few spots and draft the best DT in the draft Mason Graham and kickoff round 2 drafting Jack Sawyer. Then get our LT next and then get our early mid round QB. Depending on the exchange value received from the trade back of my scenario here - would a Riley Leonard be available? He threw some freakin dimes that couldn't be dropped with his WR getting mugged.
Anyone remember when Chase Young was coming out? I remembered posting I wasn't sold he was going to be great in the NFL. Then he got drafted at #2 overall because he's an edge rusher with a great physique. Today, he's on his 3rd NFL team where the only year he came close to looking like a #2 overall talent was his rookie season. Here's his stats linked below.
This isn't nearly as football sexy; but there's another thing the Browns could do defensively with the 1st 2 picks. Trade back a few spots and draft the best DT in the draft Mason Graham and kickoff round 2 drafting Jack Sawyer. Then get our LT next and then get our early mid round QB.
I wouldn't be disappointed in this move.
He seems to be flying a little under the radar, do you expect Sawyer to be available at 33? I do not. In this scenario, I'd be elated if he was.
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All true; but my not being sold never had anything to do with his physical attributes. There was nothing to argue with there. It was just a gut and a position that is heavily weighed by sacks fair or not - his best season by a mile was only 7.5 sacks in a 16 game season. An NFL career often involves the adversity of a season ending injury or 2, etc. SF only kept him 1 year - then he went to the Saints. Maybe I'm not being fair and you had some good points about when he was healthy.
Back to the context of the draft and Abdul Carter - he's a tremendous talent with a great motor as we've seen very recently. We also see he has an injury that all interested teams should do some thorough research on. Hopefully it's not something serious if that's the guy the Browns end up wanting at #2.
Agreed, injury history in college needs to be taken into account.
While we're looking at Abdul, I have to ask how he fits into the defense as a full time player. He's around 250lbs in-season, which can be a bit light for playing edge 4 man fronts. He isn't all that much bigger than Ogbo who has struggled when teams run right at him.
Begs the question, are we going to be mixing in more odd fronts and blended gap schemes to help keep him clean(er) on the edge? Is it possible to use him similar to how Denver used Von early on - he would play the WILL in their "base" even fronts then play edge in passing situations and sub-packages. That last one opens up even more questions... Can Carter function as an off-ball LB? Does that merit investing potentially a top 5 pick in? Will you get them snaps out of him to make an every down difference in that role?
I know we're big on talent first, THEN fit, but when you start to see stability in a coaching staff, the latter tends to become more important.
Agreed, injury history in college needs to be taken into account.
While we're looking at Abdul, I have to ask how he fits into the defense as a full time player. He's around 250lbs in-season, which can be a bit light for playing edge 4 man fronts. He isn't all that much bigger than Ogbo who has struggled when teams run right at him.
Begs the question, are we going to be mixing in more odd fronts and blended gap schemes to help keep him clean(er) on the edge? Is it possible to use him similar to how Denver used Von early on - he would play the WILL in their "base" even fronts then play edge in passing situations and sub-packages. That last one opens up even more questions... Can Carter function as an off-ball LB? Does that merit investing potentially a top 5 pick in? Will you get them snaps out of him to make an every down difference in that role?
I know we're big on talent first, THEN fit, but when you start to see stability in a coaching staff, the latter tends to become more important.
Legitimate concerns.
Micah Parsons played LB at Penn St. His final year at Penn St, he was 245.
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Well I was really high on Carter, but some random high school kid took him off his draft board…. ?
Well I was really high on Carter, but some random high school kid took him off his draft board…. ?
He might be related to DePodesta!!! Lol
I enjoy reading all you guys' comments on the draft.
I'm hoping somewhere in this draft, the Browns find a defender that is a sure tackler and goes sideline to sideline knocking people on their a$$.
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This isn't nearly as football sexy; but there's another thing the Browns could do defensively with the 1st 2 picks. Trade back a few spots and draft the best DT in the draft Mason Graham and kickoff round 2 drafting Jack Sawyer. Then get our LT next and then get our early mid round QB.
I wouldn't be disappointed in this move.
He seems to be flying a little under the radar, do you expect Sawyer to be available at 33? I do not. In this scenario, I'd be elated if he was.
I wouldn't be disappointed in this move.
He seems to be flying a little under the radar, do you expect Sawyer to be available at 33? I do not. In this scenario, I'd be elated if he was.
There’s a lot of edge guys projected in Round 1, so I could possibly see Sawyer available at 33.
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There’s a lot of edge guys projected in Round 1, so I could possibly see Sawyer available at 33.
I don't know if this is good or creepy but Dutch knows what I'm thinking better than I do; and he ain't even trying.
I'm starting to like seeing the Prevagen commercials...
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All true; but my not being sold never had anything to do with his physical attributes. There was nothing to argue with there. It was just a gut and a position that is heavily weighed by sacks fair or not - his best season by a mile was only 7.5 sacks in a 16 game season. An NFL career often involves the adversity of a season ending injury or 2, etc. SF only kept him 1 year - then he went to the Saints. Maybe I'm not being fair and you had some good points about when he was healthy.
Back to the context of the draft and Abdul Carter - he's a tremendous talent with a great motor as we've seen very recently. We also see he has an injury that all interested teams should do some thorough research on. Hopefully it's not something serious if that's the guy the Browns end up wanting at #2.
Agreed, injury history in college needs to be taken into account.
While we're looking at Abdul, I have to ask how he fits into the defense as a full time player. He's around 250lbs in-season, which can be a bit light for playing edge 4 man fronts. He isn't all that much bigger than Ogbo who has struggled when teams run right at him.
Begs the question, are we going to be mixing in more odd fronts and blended gap schemes to help keep him clean(er) on the edge? Is it possible to use him similar to how Denver used Von early on - he would play the WILL in their "base" even fronts then play edge in passing situations and sub-packages. That last one opens up even more questions... Can Carter function as an off-ball LB? Does that merit investing potentially a top 5 pick in? Will you get them snaps out of him to make an every down difference in that role?
I know we're big on talent first, THEN fit, but when you start to see stability in a coaching staff, the latter tends to become more important.
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As much as I enjoy theorizing about Madden-esque trading down, isnt Hunter the obvious choice? Generational two-way talent, that fulfills needs at both sides of the ball. I think most agree that you don't solve our QB situation with this years' draft. Sign Cousins, or get Flacco backo as a placeholder.
A good deal of our formerly vaunted O-line is old and in decline, so investing a deal bit of our other draft assets on overhauling that seems like a good investment.
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As much as I enjoy theorizing about Madden-esque trading down, isnt Hunter the obvious choice? Generational two-way talent, that fulfills needs at both sides of the ball. I think most agree that you don't solve our QB situation with this years' draft. Sign Cousins, or get Flacco backo as a placeholder.
A good deal of our formerly vaunted O-line is old and in decline, so investing a deal bit of our other draft assets on overhauling that seems like a good investment.
As much as I enjoy theorizing about Madden-esque trading down, isnt Hunter the obvious choice? Generational two-way talent, that fulfills needs at both sides of the ball. I think most agree that you don't solve our QB situation with this years' draft. Sign Cousins, or get Flacco backo as a placeholder.
A good deal of our formerly vaunted O-line is old and in decline, so investing a deal bit of our other draft assets on overhauling that seems like a good investment.
If a team needs a great corner? Check
If a team needs speed and a scoring threat on the perimeter of their offense? Check
And YES, he'd play both. It's not like he'd play every down on both units; but the roles fitting situations would be significant. The game vrs the Chargers showed the Browns could relentlessly pressure the passer while their corners could mess up the wet dream. Right now that secondary has forfeit written all over it.
On offense? Do you want a veteran QB interested in coming here? He's going to need some toys that put points on the board and improve matchup dynamics. Knowing the Browns are drafting at #2 after a QB most likely goes 1st - he'd help that!
Filling 2 needs with only 1 draft pick is something to consider. If we're gonna go with let the draft fall to you - I wouldn't HATE this choice at all. We have so many needs on this team we follow.
I'm glad to see LT/OT is one of the areas this draft is supposed to be strong at in a year QB is not (meaning mid-round might be advisable for smart shoppers). Monkey wrench: is Jimmy a smart shopper when it comes to QB?
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
As much as I enjoy theorizing about Madden-esque trading down, isnt Hunter the obvious choice? Generational two-way talent, that fulfills needs at both sides of the ball. I think most agree that you don't solve our QB situation with this years' draft. Sign Cousins, or get Flacco backo as a placeholder.
A good deal of our formerly vaunted O-line is old and in decline, so investing a deal bit of our other draft assets on overhauling that seems like a good investment.
As much as I enjoy theorizing about Madden-esque trading down, isnt Hunter the obvious choice? Generational two-way talent, that fulfills needs at both sides of the ball. I think most agree that you don't solve our QB situation with this years' draft. Sign Cousins, or get Flacco backo as a placeholder.
A good deal of our formerly vaunted O-line is old and in decline, so investing a deal bit of our other draft assets on overhauling that seems like a good investment.
He definitely fills a need at corner, I have my doubts how much he'll be used at WR too in the NFL honestly. I know he's listed at 6'1 and 185lbs, but he is kind of a thin guy. That or maybe I doubt the Browns could actually figure out how to pull it off...
I wouldn't have a problem with the Browns taking Hunter at #2 at all, but I'd probably still go with Carter to give Myles an honest to dog bookend DE with pass rushing ability for once. I'd be fine with trading down out of #2 and taking CB Will Johnson too, and getting more draft capital for next year's (hopefully) better QB class.
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As much as I enjoy theorizing about Madden-esque trading down, isnt Hunter the obvious choice? Generational two-way talent, that fulfills needs at both sides of the ball. I think most agree that you don't solve our QB situation with this years' draft. Sign Cousins, or get Flacco backo as a placeholder.
A good deal of our formerly vaunted O-line is old and in decline, so investing a deal bit of our other draft assets on overhauling that seems like a good investment.
He definitely fills a need at corner, I have my doubts how much he'll be used at WR too in the NFL honestly. I know he's listed at 6'1 and 185lbs, but he is kind of a thin guy. That or maybe I doubt the Browns could actually figure out how to pull it off...
I wouldn't have a problem with the Browns taking Hunter at #2 at all, but I'd probably still go with Carter to give Myles an honest to dog bookend DE with pass rushing ability for once. I'd be fine with trading down out of #2 and taking CB Will Johnson too, and getting more draft capital for next year's (hopefully) better QB class.
He definitely fills a need at corner, I have my doubts how much he'll be used at WR too in the NFL honestly. I know he's listed at 6'1 and 185lbs, but he is kind of a thin guy. That or maybe I doubt the Browns could actually figure out how to pull it off...
I wouldn't have a problem with the Browns taking Hunter at #2 at all, but I'd probably still go with Carter to give Myles an honest to dog bookend DE with pass rushing ability for once. I'd be fine with trading down out of #2 and taking CB Will Johnson too, and getting more draft capital for next year's (hopefully) better QB class.
I think he can upgrade Moore in a place his size would be fine.
As for size, if we played Carter at LDE over RTs - Tia brought up a concern that he's only 250 lbs in a discussion we were talking about Carter's shoulder injury.
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He definitely fills a need at corner, I have my doubts how much he'll be used at WR too in the NFL honestly. I know he's listed at 6'1 and 185lbs, but he is kind of a thin guy. That or maybe I doubt the Browns could actually figure out how to pull it off...
I wouldn't have a problem with the Browns taking Hunter at #2 at all, but I'd probably still go with Carter to give Myles an honest to dog bookend DE with pass rushing ability for once. I'd be fine with trading down out of #2 and taking CB Will Johnson too, and getting more draft capital for next year's (hopefully) better QB class.
I think he can upgrade Moore in a place his size would be fine.
As for size, if we played Carter at LDE over RTs - Tia brought up a concern that he's only 250 lbs in a discussion we were talking about Carter's shoulder injury.
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Agreed, injury history in college needs to be taken into account.
While we're looking at Abdul, I have to ask how he fits into the defense as a full time player. He's around 250lbs in-season, which can be a bit light for playing edge 4 man fronts. He isn't all that much bigger than Ogbo who has struggled when teams run right at him.
Begs the question, are we going to be mixing in more odd fronts and blended gap schemes to help keep him clean(er) on the edge? Is it possible to use him similar to how Denver used Von early on - he would play the WILL in their "base" even fronts then play edge in passing situations and sub-packages. That last one opens up even more questions... Can Carter function as an off-ball LB? Does that merit investing potentially a top 5 pick in? Will you get them snaps out of him to make an every down difference in that role?
I know we're big on talent first, THEN fit, but when you start to see stability in a coaching staff, the latter tends to become more important.
Legitimate concerns.
Micah Parsons played LB at Penn St. His final year at Penn St, he was 245.
Legitimate concerns.
Micah Parsons played LB at Penn St. His final year at Penn St, he was 245.
Correct, but much like his time in Dallas, he rotates from an off-ball LB to an edge rusher. This helps to protect him in the running game. One of his largest knocks the last few seasons has been the ground he gave up when McCarthy tried parking him as a full time edge.
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Legitimate concerns.
Micah Parsons played LB at Penn St. His final year at Penn St, he was 245.
Correct, but much like his time in Dallas, he rotates from an off-ball LB to an edge rusher. This helps to protect him in the running game. One of his largest knocks the last few seasons has been the ground he gave up when McCarthy tried parking him as a full time edge.
Correct, but much like his time in Dallas, he rotates from an off-ball LB to an edge rusher. This helps to protect him in the running game. One of his largest knocks the last few seasons has been the ground he gave up when McCarthy tried parking him as a full time edge.
Aside from that, my guess is Garrett will continue to line up over LTs while the other Edge Rusher/DE/LBer would line up across from run blocking RTs. IMO, this makes Jack Sawyer a better fit at 33 overall. I also think we need to know a lot more about the shoulder injury Carter has. For his sake, I hope it's not anything that will stay with him.
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Correct, but much like his time in Dallas, he rotates from an off-ball LB to an edge rusher. This helps to protect him in the running game. One of his largest knocks the last few seasons has been the ground he gave up when McCarthy tried parking him as a full time edge.
Aside from that, my guess is Garrett will continue to line up over LTs while the other Edge Rusher/DE/LBer would line up across from run blocking RTs. IMO, this makes Jack Sawyer a better fit at 33 overall. I also think we need to know a lot more about the shoulder injury Carter has. For his sake, I hope it's not anything that will stay with him.
Aside from that, my guess is Garrett will continue to line up over LTs while the other Edge Rusher/DE/LBer would line up across from run blocking RTs. IMO, this makes Jack Sawyer a better fit at 33 overall. I also think we need to know a lot more about the shoulder injury Carter has. For his sake, I hope it's not anything that will stay with him.
You might be shocked at the amount of times Myles flips sides by the numbers. I know I was. That doesn't appear to be much of an area he and Schwartz have an issue being flexible in.
I love me some captain Jack, but I have questions about his skills translating to the NFL as a top 50 pick.
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Aside from that, my guess is Garrett will continue to line up over LTs while the other Edge Rusher/DE/LBer would line up across from run blocking RTs. IMO, this makes Jack Sawyer a better fit at 33 overall. I also think we need to know a lot more about the shoulder injury Carter has. For his sake, I hope it's not anything that will stay with him.
You might be shocked at the amount of times Myles flips sides by the numbers. I know I was. That doesn't appear to be much of an area he and Schwartz have an issue being flexible in.
I love me some captain Jack, but I have questions about his skills translating to the NFL as a top 50 pick.
You might be shocked at the amount of times Myles flips sides by the numbers. I know I was. That doesn't appear to be much of an area he and Schwartz have an issue being flexible in.
I love me some captain Jack, but I have questions about his skills translating to the NFL as a top 50 pick.
Are you discounting his blue-collar work ethic, high intelligence and high character? ?
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As much as I enjoy theorizing about Madden-esque trading down, isnt Hunter the obvious choice? Generational two-way talent, that fulfills needs at both sides of the ball. I think most agree that you don't solve our QB situation with this years' draft. Sign Cousins, or get Flacco backo as a placeholder.
A good deal of our formerly vaunted O-line is old and in decline, so investing a deal bit of our other draft assets on overhauling that seems like a good investment.
As much as I enjoy theorizing about Madden-esque trading down, isnt Hunter the obvious choice? Generational two-way talent, that fulfills needs at both sides of the ball. I think most agree that you don't solve our QB situation with this years' draft. Sign Cousins, or get Flacco backo as a placeholder.
A good deal of our formerly vaunted O-line is old and in decline, so investing a deal bit of our other draft assets on overhauling that seems like a good investment.
Hunter is amazing - he'd be a great pick. With this qb class, don't be surprised if Hunter goes #1. He's that special, and this qb class isn't.
A trade down still seems likely to me.
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As much as I enjoy theorizing about Madden-esque trading down, isnt Hunter the obvious choice? Generational two-way talent, that fulfills needs at both sides of the ball. I think most agree that you don't solve our QB situation with this years' draft. Sign Cousins, or get Flacco backo as a placeholder.
A good deal of our formerly vaunted O-line is old and in decline, so investing a deal bit of our other draft assets on overhauling that seems like a good investment.
Hunter is amazing - he'd be a great pick. With this qb class, don't be surprised if Hunter goes #1. He's that special, and this qb class isn't.
A trade down still seems likely to me.
Hunter is amazing - he'd be a great pick. With this qb class, don't be surprised if Hunter goes #1. He's that special, and this qb class isn't.
A trade down still seems likely to me.
I think unless you trade down to #3 for a QB needy NY Giants, we'd better take him right where we are. He won't stay past #3 IMO.
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