Currently our 2025 first round pick is....

[Flugel]

@tiamat63 said:

@dutch-oven one of my followers sent me this on our site. 

https://www.fansfirstsports.com/at-the-office/is-will-howard-a-draft-candidate-for-the-browns/?fbclid=IwY2xjawIEj9NleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHbZTY5ZfNdc93QLlARaUrlrep9QoqlgSXSE6oQfXvbAWXPDtIKe2XcTHZg_aem_5ZmQVrR0DOtIkLMPkyO3sg

 Asked me how I felt about it.   I'm tagging you specifically because you've asked how I feel about Howard and why things take so long to give detailed and meaningful responses/content. 

This..... This would be a prime example of everything wrong with the attempt at sports journalism.  Rushed, void, likely AI-driven, lacking any quality detail and conclusion.

This is the antithesis to everything I do. 

I'm looking forward seeing what QB prospects intrigue you the most for the Browns and the why.

Yeah, putting in the research and summarizing how QB prospects stack up against each other is a time consuming endeavor I've never had the patience for or the intellect to GET what's transferable and what isn't.  When people like to compare and contrast Tom Brady and Patrick Mahomes for GOAT - was either guy such a consensus before the draft?

While the Browns and Bengals were having a tug-a-war about who was going to be the best QB drafted; Andy Reid stealthed in and dared to draft the BEST QB in that draft (Donovan McNabb) at #2 overall.  If there was 1 Philly fan that thought that was a better decision than Ricky Williams to be their franchise savior - he never spoke up.  Ricky went to Ditka (New Orleans) and ended up on prozac until he learned marijuana worked better.  

This is what the guy Cleveland's brain trust never even considered would end up doing after being drafted in 1999 by the team with the worst record in the NFL in 98 per Google search summary here:

Donovan McNabb's record with the Philadelphia Eagles was 98 wins, 62 losses, and 1 tie as a starter. He led the Eagles to the postseason eight times, including five consecutive years from 2000 to 2004. McNabb's record with the Eagles also includes appearances in the NFC Championship Game four years in a row from 2001 to 2004, and one Super Bowl appearance in Super Bowl XXXIX. 

Part of the Browns history in the draft with QBs seems very similar to what irks you from many of the sports journalists.  They're in a hurry at the expense of finding their who and why it became so. This may very well be a weak QB draft in terms of volume; but I'm willing to bet this draft has more than 1 good/very good NFL QB in it when it's all said and done. Fate will probably reward diligence of research is my guess.  

[Orion]

@ballpeen said:

We tried and it just didn't work out.  All we can do is shrug our shoulders and move on.  It is what it is.

I'm hoping that that's where we are.  No more thoughts in the organization of Watson ever being our starter.  

[Ibleedbrown]

@flugel said:

I'm looking forward seeing what QB prospects intrigue you the most for the Browns and the why.

Yeah, putting in the research and summarizing how QB prospects stack up against each other is a time consuming endeavor I've never had the patience for or the intellect to GET what's transferable and what isn't.  When people like to compare and contrast Tom Brady and Patrick Mahomes for GOAT - was either guy such a consensus before the draft?

While the Browns and Bengals were having a tug-a-war about who was going to be the best QB drafted; Andy Reid stealthed in and dared to draft the BEST QB in that draft (Donovan McNabb) at #2 overall.  If there was 1 Philly fan that thought that was a better decision than Ricky Williams to be their franchise savior - he never spoke up.  Ricky went to Ditka (New Orleans) and ended up on prozac until he learned marijuana worked better.  

This is what the guy Cleveland's brain trust never even considered would end up doing after being drafted in 1999 by the team with the worst record in the NFL in 98 per Google search summary here:

Donovan McNabb's record with the Philadelphia Eagles was 98 wins, 62 losses, and 1 tie as a starter. He led the Eagles to the postseason eight times, including five consecutive years from 2000 to 2004. McNabb's record with the Eagles also includes appearances in the NFC Championship Game four years in a row from 2001 to 2004, and one Super Bowl appearance in Super Bowl XXXIX. 

Part of the Browns history in the draft with QBs seems very similar to what irks you from many of the sports journalists.  They're in a hurry at the expense of finding their who and why it became so. This may very well be a weak QB draft in terms of volume; but I'm willing to bet this draft has more than 1 good/very good NFL QB in it when it's all said and done. Fate will probably reward diligence of research is my guess.  

One recent theme of emphasis l’m seeing regarding draftable college QBs is the amount of experience they have. The 2 rookie QBs who arguably had the best 1st year as a pro were Jayden Daniels and Bo Nix, who both made a whopping 55 starts in college for 2 different programs.

I think both of those things, the many starts and the fact they were with 2 different schools, probably helps them in the “pro-ready” department. It’s something worth keeping an eye on now that NIL is its own animal and these guys don’t have a lot of incentive to turn pro until the eligibility runs out. We might be seeing more pro-ready QBs coming outta the woodwork since they’re incentivized to stay in school and they don’t have as much concern for injury as, say, a highly touted RB with a shorter shelf life as a pro. 

[tiamat63]

@flugel said:

I'm looking forward seeing what QB prospects intrigue you the most for the Browns and the why.

Yeah, putting in the research and summarizing how QB prospects stack up against each other is a time consuming endeavor I've never had the patience for or the intellect to GET what's transferable and what isn't. 

 I can tell you I'm about 60% done with Milroe.  I've got all the clips recorded and spliced up with an outline of summary.   Starting the article tonight.   

Jalen is a hard pass for me.  At #2, 33...  Hell, top 50 even.   He's a mid day 2 pick right now on my board.

[Dutch Oven]

@ibleedbrown said:

One recent theme of emphasis l’m seeing regarding draftable college QBs is the amount of experience they have. The 2 rookie QBs who arguably had the best 1st year as a pro were Jayden Daniels and Bo Nix, who both made a whopping 55 starts in college for 2 different programs.

I think both of those things, the many starts and the fact they were with 2 different schools, probably helps them in the “pro-ready” department. It’s something worth keeping an eye on now that NIL is its own animal and these guys don’t have a lot of incentive to turn pro until the eligibility runs out. We might be seeing more pro-ready QBs coming outta the woodwork since they’re incentivized to stay in school and they don’t have as much concern for injury as, say, a highly touted RB with a shorter shelf life as a pro. 

That is a plus for both Sanders and Ward at the top of the draft this year - both have a lot of college starts. Ward had 57, Sanders 50. 

I still remember being completely blown away that Mitch Trubisky got drafted as high as he did with like 13 college starts. I think Anthony Richardson had a small amount too. 

[PackerNation]

Man, there are a lot of totally clueless asshats on here for real.

[tiamat63]

@ibleedbrown said:

One recent theme of emphasis l’m seeing regarding draftable college QBs is the amount of experience they have. The 2 rookie QBs who arguably had the best 1st year as a pro were Jayden Daniels and Bo Nix, who both made a whopping 55 starts in college for 2 different programs.

While the experience and starts are necessary, what NFL teams want to see is year over year improvement.  That's the biggest reason behind needing two seasons of QB1.

[Ibleedbrown]

@tiamat63 said:

While the experience and starts are necessary, what NFL teams want to see is year over year improvement.  That's the biggest reason behind needing two seasons of QB1.

I would also think the changing schools aspect of things is worth watching too, because that’s on the uptick with the transfer portal being another animal in the mix. I think l saw Jeremiah Smith had an offer of 4.5 mil to switch schools. That’s holy shit money.

The players that switch and do well at the next stop, that’s a +1 for them. Shows adaptability. 

[hoorta]

@packernation said:

Man, there are a lot of totally clueless asshats on here for real.

Like you?  

If you're just going to troll and insult posters here, next time you're gone for good.  

[Orion]

@hoorta said:

you're gone for good. 

...he says stupid things.  He's got no real football IQ.  I've got him on ignore so the only time I have to see his stuff is when somebody quotes the troll.  -  The guy's a fan of a team...and he goes to another team's board, that plays in the other conference, and trolls.  What's more bazar than that?   But if his clicks helps the board, then let him click away...

[ballpeen]

@flugel said:

Part of the Browns history in the draft with QBs seems very similar to what irks you from many of the sports journalists.  They're in a hurry at the expense of finding their who and why it became so. This may very well be a weak QB draft in terms of volume; but I'm willing to bet this draft has more than 1 good/very good NFL QB in it when it's all said and done. Fate will probably reward diligence of research is my guess.  

I agree.  Next year may be a better QB class, but this is this year.  But maybe not.   We also don't know if we will be in a position to get one next year.

As was said, this QB class may not produce a HOF or even elite level QB, but it will produce a few who will be good to very good QB's. and who knows, maybe a HOF QB.

We are so focused on finding the pot of gold we miss the gold coins along the path.

[Flugel]

@ibleedbrown said:

One recent theme of emphasis l’m seeing regarding draftable college QBs is the amount of experience they have. The 2 rookie QBs who arguably had the best 1st year as a pro were Jayden Daniels and Bo Nix, who both made a whopping 55 starts in college for 2 different programs.

I think both of those things, the many starts and the fact they were with 2 different schools, probably helps them in the “pro-ready” department. It’s something worth keeping an eye on now that NIL is its own animal and these guys don’t have a lot of incentive to turn pro until the eligibility runs out. We might be seeing more pro-ready QBs coming outta the woodwork since they’re incentivized to stay in school and they don’t have as much concern for injury as, say, a highly touted RB with a shorter shelf life as a pro. 

There's 1 QB in this draft that @ballpeen brought up before that could be someone to keep an eye on that fits exactly what you're talking about experience-wise.  He started out at Central Florida before moving to Oklahoma and then onto Oregon.  My guess is some teams will draft snob his height at 6'0" but others may size him up as a nice early-late mid round QB.  Baker is only about 6'1" as was the only MVP QB I've ever seen in Cleveland - Brian Sipe.

Here's Dillon Gabriel's  passing numbers fwiw:

Szn	Team	GP	Cmp	Att	Yds	TD	Int	Rtg
2024	ORE	14	326	447	3857	30	6	164.9
2023	Okla	12	266	384	3660	30	6	172
2022	Okla	12	229	366	3163	25	6	154.4
2021	UCF	3	70	102	814	9	3	158.9
2020	UCF	10	248	413	3570	32	4	156.3
2019	UCF	13	236	398	3653	29	7	156.9
Career		64	1375	2110	18717	155	32	160.9

He might be worth this team researching him on film. See how he does up under Center as well as taking snaps in the shotgun.  Oh yeah, his completion % is over 65 which isn't bad.

[Bob806]

@ballpeen said:

We are so focused on finding the pot of gold we miss the gold coins along the path.

Ain't that the truth.

Last time we found golf coins was when the USFL folded.

Kevin Mack, Frank Minnifield, Gerald "Ice Cube" McNeil, Felix Wright.

We've taken stabs at zirconium lol: Anthony Schwartz, Jedrick Wills, DeShone Kizer, Cody Kessler.

[Flugel]

@ballpeen said:

I agree.  Next year may be a better QB class, but this is this year.  But maybe not.   We also don't know if we will be in a position to get one next year.

As was said, this QB class may not produce a HOF or even elite level QB, but it will produce a few who will be good to very good QB's. and who knows, maybe a HOF QB.

We are so focused on finding the pot of gold we miss the gold coins along the path.

What a coincidence! I was just mentioning you about something you pointed out previously.

[Dutch Oven]

It is true, there could be a Hall of Fame QB in this class.

It also could be true that what a high-ranking NFL exec yesterday said about how not one QB in this class would outrank the top SIX QBs from last year’s draft. 

[tiamat63]

@dutch-oven said:

It is true, there could be a Hall of Fame QB in this class.

It also could be true that what a high-ranking NFL exec yesterday said about how not one QB in this class would outrank the top SIX QBs from last year’s draft. 

Drafting is gambling.    When gambling, you don't look at what is strictly possible, you look at what is most probable.  

 It's *possible* every QB in this draft class makes the HoF.   But how *probable* is that?    You can only take the evidence, information and results you have now, attempt to project that a bit in an attempt to make the best probable decision.

 For too long the Browns have drafted on the possible only - Quinn, Weeden, Manziel, Kizer...  0/4.      A more pragmatic approach tends to yield better results. 

[PackerNation]

@tiamat63 said:

Drafting is gambling.    When gambling, you don't look at what is strictly possible, you look at what is most probable.  

Drafting is indeed a "gamble" but there are reasons some teams draft picks are more successful than other teams. The Browns have a history of not being a place that players can achieve success. It's on the FO and coaching staff to put drafted players in position to be highly successful. This has not happened in Cleveland in several decades.

[Orion]

@flugel said:

This may very well be a weak QB draft in terms of volume; but I'm willing to bet this draft has more than 1 good/very good NFL QB in it when it's all said and done

Well said.  ( so which ones are they?  you can tell me.  I won't tell anyone. )   

[calfoxwc]

When the Browns draft and ignore character and love for the game,

they lose.

Just dumb.

[Dutch Oven]

@calfoxwc said:

When the Browns draft and ignore character and love for the game,

they lose.

Just dumb.

Funny how you completely ignore character over on another board, isn't it?