Currently our 2025 first round pick is....
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I'm looking forward seeing what QB prospects intrigue you the most for the Browns and the why.
Yeah, putting in the research and summarizing how QB prospects stack up against each other is a time consuming endeavor I've never had the patience for or the intellect to GET what's transferable and what isn't. When people like to compare and contrast Tom Brady and Patrick Mahomes for GOAT - was either guy such a consensus before the draft?
While the Browns and Bengals were having a tug-a-war about who was going to be the best QB drafted; Andy Reid stealthed in and dared to draft the BEST QB in that draft (Donovan McNabb) at #2 overall. If there was 1 Philly fan that thought that was a better decision than Ricky Williams to be their franchise savior - he never spoke up. Ricky went to Ditka (New Orleans) and ended up on prozac until he learned marijuana worked better.
This is what the guy Cleveland's brain trust never even considered would end up doing after being drafted in 1999 by the team with the worst record in the NFL in 98 per Google search summary here:
Donovan McNabb's record with the Philadelphia Eagles was 98 wins, 62 losses, and 1 tie as a starter. He led the Eagles to the postseason eight times, including five consecutive years from 2000 to 2004. McNabb's record with the Eagles also includes appearances in the NFC Championship Game four years in a row from 2001 to 2004, and one Super Bowl appearance in Super Bowl XXXIX.
Part of the Browns history in the draft with QBs seems very similar to what irks you from many of the sports journalists. They're in a hurry at the expense of finding their who and why it became so. This may very well be a weak QB draft in terms of volume; but I'm willing to bet this draft has more than 1 good/very good NFL QB in it when it's all said and done. Fate will probably reward diligence of research is my guess.
One recent theme of emphasis l’m seeing regarding draftable college QBs is the amount of experience they have. The 2 rookie QBs who arguably had the best 1st year as a pro were Jayden Daniels and Bo Nix, who both made a whopping 55 starts in college for 2 different programs.
I think both of those things, the many starts and the fact they were with 2 different schools, probably helps them in the “pro-ready” department. It’s something worth keeping an eye on now that NIL is its own animal and these guys don’t have a lot of incentive to turn pro until the eligibility runs out. We might be seeing more pro-ready QBs coming outta the woodwork since they’re incentivized to stay in school and they don’t have as much concern for injury as, say, a highly touted RB with a shorter shelf life as a pro.
One recent theme of emphasis l’m seeing regarding draftable college QBs is the amount of experience they have. The 2 rookie QBs who arguably had the best 1st year as a pro were Jayden Daniels and Bo Nix, who both made a whopping 55 starts in college for 2 different programs.
While the experience and starts are necessary, what NFL teams want to see is year over year improvement. That's the biggest reason behind needing two seasons of QB1.
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One recent theme of emphasis l’m seeing regarding draftable college QBs is the amount of experience they have. The 2 rookie QBs who arguably had the best 1st year as a pro were Jayden Daniels and Bo Nix, who both made a whopping 55 starts in college for 2 different programs.
While the experience and starts are necessary, what NFL teams want to see is year over year improvement. That's the biggest reason behind needing two seasons of QB1.
While the experience and starts are necessary, what NFL teams want to see is year over year improvement. That's the biggest reason behind needing two seasons of QB1.
I would also think the changing schools aspect of things is worth watching too, because that’s on the uptick with the transfer portal being another animal in the mix. I think l saw Jeremiah Smith had an offer of 4.5 mil to switch schools. That’s holy shit money.
The players that switch and do well at the next stop, that’s a +1 for them. Shows adaptability.
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Man, there are a lot of totally clueless asshats on here for real.
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Man, there are a lot of totally clueless asshats on here for real.
Like you?
If you're just going to troll and insult posters here, next time you're gone for good.
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Man, there are a lot of totally clueless asshats on here for real.
Like you?
If you're just going to troll and insult posters here, next time you're gone for good.
you're gone for good.
...he says stupid things. He's got no real football IQ. I've got him on ignore so the only time I have to see his stuff is when somebody quotes the troll. - The guy's a fan of a team...and he goes to another team's board, that plays in the other conference, and trolls. What's more bazar than that? But if his clicks helps the board, then let him click away...
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@dutch-oven one of my followers sent me this on our site.
Asked me how I felt about it. I'm tagging you specifically because you've asked how I feel about Howard and why things take so long to give detailed and meaningful responses/content.
This..... This would be a prime example of everything wrong with the attempt at sports journalism. Rushed, void, likely AI-driven, lacking any quality detail and conclusion.
This is the antithesis to everything I do.
I'm looking forward seeing what QB prospects intrigue you the most for the Browns and the why.
Yeah, putting in the research and summarizing how QB prospects stack up against each other is a time consuming endeavor I've never had the patience for or the intellect to GET what's transferable and what isn't. When people like to compare and contrast Tom Brady and Patrick Mahomes for GOAT - was either guy such a consensus before the draft?
While the Browns and Bengals were having a tug-a-war about who was going to be the best QB drafted; Andy Reid stealthed in and dared to draft the BEST QB in that draft (Donovan McNabb) at #2 overall. If there was 1 Philly fan that thought that was a better decision than Ricky Williams to be their franchise savior - he never spoke up. Ricky went to Ditka (New Orleans) and ended up on prozac until he learned marijuana worked better.
This is what the guy Cleveland's brain trust never even considered would end up doing after being drafted in 1999 by the team with the worst record in the NFL in 98 per Google search summary here:
Donovan McNabb's record with the Philadelphia Eagles was 98 wins, 62 losses, and 1 tie as a starter. He led the Eagles to the postseason eight times, including five consecutive years from 2000 to 2004. McNabb's record with the Eagles also includes appearances in the NFC Championship Game four years in a row from 2001 to 2004, and one Super Bowl appearance in Super Bowl XXXIX.
Part of the Browns history in the draft with QBs seems very similar to what irks you from many of the sports journalists. They're in a hurry at the expense of finding their who and why it became so. This may very well be a weak QB draft in terms of volume; but I'm willing to bet this draft has more than 1 good/very good NFL QB in it when it's all said and done. Fate will probably reward diligence of research is my guess.
Part of the Browns history in the draft with QBs seems very similar to what irks you from many of the sports journalists. They're in a hurry at the expense of finding their who and why it became so. This may very well be a weak QB draft in terms of volume; but I'm willing to bet this draft has more than 1 good/very good NFL QB in it when it's all said and done. Fate will probably reward diligence of research is my guess.
I agree. Next year may be a better QB class, but this is this year. But maybe not. We also don't know if we will be in a position to get one next year.
As was said, this QB class may not produce a HOF or even elite level QB, but it will produce a few who will be good to very good QB's. and who knows, maybe a HOF QB.
We are so focused on finding the pot of gold we miss the gold coins along the path.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn. -
I'm looking forward seeing what QB prospects intrigue you the most for the Browns and the why.
Yeah, putting in the research and summarizing how QB prospects stack up against each other is a time consuming endeavor I've never had the patience for or the intellect to GET what's transferable and what isn't. When people like to compare and contrast Tom Brady and Patrick Mahomes for GOAT - was either guy such a consensus before the draft?
While the Browns and Bengals were having a tug-a-war about who was going to be the best QB drafted; Andy Reid stealthed in and dared to draft the BEST QB in that draft (Donovan McNabb) at #2 overall. If there was 1 Philly fan that thought that was a better decision than Ricky Williams to be their franchise savior - he never spoke up. Ricky went to Ditka (New Orleans) and ended up on prozac until he learned marijuana worked better.
This is what the guy Cleveland's brain trust never even considered would end up doing after being drafted in 1999 by the team with the worst record in the NFL in 98 per Google search summary here:
Donovan McNabb's record with the Philadelphia Eagles was 98 wins, 62 losses, and 1 tie as a starter. He led the Eagles to the postseason eight times, including five consecutive years from 2000 to 2004. McNabb's record with the Eagles also includes appearances in the NFC Championship Game four years in a row from 2001 to 2004, and one Super Bowl appearance in Super Bowl XXXIX.
Part of the Browns history in the draft with QBs seems very similar to what irks you from many of the sports journalists. They're in a hurry at the expense of finding their who and why it became so. This may very well be a weak QB draft in terms of volume; but I'm willing to bet this draft has more than 1 good/very good NFL QB in it when it's all said and done. Fate will probably reward diligence of research is my guess.
One recent theme of emphasis l’m seeing regarding draftable college QBs is the amount of experience they have. The 2 rookie QBs who arguably had the best 1st year as a pro were Jayden Daniels and Bo Nix, who both made a whopping 55 starts in college for 2 different programs.
I think both of those things, the many starts and the fact they were with 2 different schools, probably helps them in the “pro-ready” department. It’s something worth keeping an eye on now that NIL is its own animal and these guys don’t have a lot of incentive to turn pro until the eligibility runs out. We might be seeing more pro-ready QBs coming outta the woodwork since they’re incentivized to stay in school and they don’t have as much concern for injury as, say, a highly touted RB with a shorter shelf life as a pro.
One recent theme of emphasis l’m seeing regarding draftable college QBs is the amount of experience they have. The 2 rookie QBs who arguably had the best 1st year as a pro were Jayden Daniels and Bo Nix, who both made a whopping 55 starts in college for 2 different programs.
I think both of those things, the many starts and the fact they were with 2 different schools, probably helps them in the “pro-ready” department. It’s something worth keeping an eye on now that NIL is its own animal and these guys don’t have a lot of incentive to turn pro until the eligibility runs out. We might be seeing more pro-ready QBs coming outta the woodwork since they’re incentivized to stay in school and they don’t have as much concern for injury as, say, a highly touted RB with a shorter shelf life as a pro.
There's 1 QB in this draft that @ballpeen brought up before that could be someone to keep an eye on that fits exactly what you're talking about experience-wise. He started out at Central Florida before moving to Oklahoma and then onto Oregon. My guess is some teams will draft snob his height at 6'0" but others may size him up as a nice early-late mid round QB. Baker is only about 6'1" as was the only MVP QB I've ever seen in Cleveland - Brian Sipe.
Here's Dillon Gabriel's passing numbers fwiw:
SznTeamGPCmpAttYdsTDIntRtg202414 326 447 3857 30 6 164.9 202312 266 384 3660 30 6 172 202212 229 366 3163 25 6 154.4 20213 70 102 814 9 3 158.9 202010 248 413 3570 32 4 156.3 201913 236 398 3653 29 7 156.9 Career 64 1375 2110 18717 155 32 160.9 He might be worth this team researching him on film. See how he does up under Center as well as taking snaps in the shotgun. Oh yeah, his completion % is over 65 which isn't bad.
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Part of the Browns history in the draft with QBs seems very similar to what irks you from many of the sports journalists. They're in a hurry at the expense of finding their who and why it became so. This may very well be a weak QB draft in terms of volume; but I'm willing to bet this draft has more than 1 good/very good NFL QB in it when it's all said and done. Fate will probably reward diligence of research is my guess.
I agree. Next year may be a better QB class, but this is this year. But maybe not. We also don't know if we will be in a position to get one next year.
As was said, this QB class may not produce a HOF or even elite level QB, but it will produce a few who will be good to very good QB's. and who knows, maybe a HOF QB.
We are so focused on finding the pot of gold we miss the gold coins along the path.
We are so focused on finding the pot of gold we miss the gold coins along the path.
Ain't that the truth.
Last time we found golf coins was when the USFL folded.
Kevin Mack, Frank Minnifield, Gerald "Ice Cube" McNeil, Felix Wright.
We've taken stabs at zirconium lol: Anthony Schwartz, Jedrick Wills, DeShone Kizer, Cody Kessler.
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Part of the Browns history in the draft with QBs seems very similar to what irks you from many of the sports journalists. They're in a hurry at the expense of finding their who and why it became so. This may very well be a weak QB draft in terms of volume; but I'm willing to bet this draft has more than 1 good/very good NFL QB in it when it's all said and done. Fate will probably reward diligence of research is my guess.
I agree. Next year may be a better QB class, but this is this year. But maybe not. We also don't know if we will be in a position to get one next year.
As was said, this QB class may not produce a HOF or even elite level QB, but it will produce a few who will be good to very good QB's. and who knows, maybe a HOF QB.
We are so focused on finding the pot of gold we miss the gold coins along the path.
I agree. Next year may be a better QB class, but this is this year. But maybe not. We also don't know if we will be in a position to get one next year.
As was said, this QB class may not produce a HOF or even elite level QB, but it will produce a few who will be good to very good QB's. and who knows, maybe a HOF QB.
We are so focused on finding the pot of gold we miss the gold coins along the path.
What a coincidence! I was just mentioning you about something you pointed out previously.
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It is true, there could be a Hall of Fame QB in this class.
It also could be true that what a high-ranking NFL exec yesterday said about how not one QB in this class would outrank the top SIX QBs from last year’s draft.
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It is true, there could be a Hall of Fame QB in this class.
It also could be true that what a high-ranking NFL exec yesterday said about how not one QB in this class would outrank the top SIX QBs from last year’s draft.
It is true, there could be a Hall of Fame QB in this class.
It also could be true that what a high-ranking NFL exec yesterday said about how not one QB in this class would outrank the top SIX QBs from last year’s draft.
Drafting is gambling. When gambling, you don't look at what is strictly possible, you look at what is most probable.
It's *possible* every QB in this draft class makes the HoF. But how *probable* is that? You can only take the evidence, information and results you have now, attempt to project that a bit in an attempt to make the best probable decision.
For too long the Browns have drafted on the possible only - Quinn, Weeden, Manziel, Kizer... 0/4. A more pragmatic approach tends to yield better results.
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It is true, there could be a Hall of Fame QB in this class.
It also could be true that what a high-ranking NFL exec yesterday said about how not one QB in this class would outrank the top SIX QBs from last year’s draft.
Drafting is gambling. When gambling, you don't look at what is strictly possible, you look at what is most probable.
It's *possible* every QB in this draft class makes the HoF. But how *probable* is that? You can only take the evidence, information and results you have now, attempt to project that a bit in an attempt to make the best probable decision.
For too long the Browns have drafted on the possible only - Quinn, Weeden, Manziel, Kizer... 0/4. A more pragmatic approach tends to yield better results.
Drafting is gambling. When gambling, you don't look at what is strictly possible, you look at what is most probable.
Drafting is indeed a "gamble" but there are reasons some teams draft picks are more successful than other teams. The Browns have a history of not being a place that players can achieve success. It's on the FO and coaching staff to put drafted players in position to be highly successful. This has not happened in Cleveland in several decades.
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@dutch-oven one of my followers sent me this on our site.
Asked me how I felt about it. I'm tagging you specifically because you've asked how I feel about Howard and why things take so long to give detailed and meaningful responses/content.
This..... This would be a prime example of everything wrong with the attempt at sports journalism. Rushed, void, likely AI-driven, lacking any quality detail and conclusion.
This is the antithesis to everything I do.
I'm looking forward seeing what QB prospects intrigue you the most for the Browns and the why.
Yeah, putting in the research and summarizing how QB prospects stack up against each other is a time consuming endeavor I've never had the patience for or the intellect to GET what's transferable and what isn't. When people like to compare and contrast Tom Brady and Patrick Mahomes for GOAT - was either guy such a consensus before the draft?
While the Browns and Bengals were having a tug-a-war about who was going to be the best QB drafted; Andy Reid stealthed in and dared to draft the BEST QB in that draft (Donovan McNabb) at #2 overall. If there was 1 Philly fan that thought that was a better decision than Ricky Williams to be their franchise savior - he never spoke up. Ricky went to Ditka (New Orleans) and ended up on prozac until he learned marijuana worked better.
This is what the guy Cleveland's brain trust never even considered would end up doing after being drafted in 1999 by the team with the worst record in the NFL in 98 per Google search summary here:
Donovan McNabb's record with the Philadelphia Eagles was 98 wins, 62 losses, and 1 tie as a starter. He led the Eagles to the postseason eight times, including five consecutive years from 2000 to 2004. McNabb's record with the Eagles also includes appearances in the NFC Championship Game four years in a row from 2001 to 2004, and one Super Bowl appearance in Super Bowl XXXIX.
Part of the Browns history in the draft with QBs seems very similar to what irks you from many of the sports journalists. They're in a hurry at the expense of finding their who and why it became so. This may very well be a weak QB draft in terms of volume; but I'm willing to bet this draft has more than 1 good/very good NFL QB in it when it's all said and done. Fate will probably reward diligence of research is my guess.
This may very well be a weak QB draft in terms of volume; but I'm willing to bet this draft has more than 1 good/very good NFL QB in it when it's all said and done
Well said. ( so which ones are they? you can tell me. I won't tell anyone. )
BEING A BROWNS FAN IS A TEST TO SEE HOW MUCH YOU CAN TAKE -
When the Browns draft and ignore character and love for the game,
they lose.
Just dumb.
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When the Browns draft and ignore character and love for the game,
they lose.
Just dumb.
Funny how you completely ignore character over on another board, isn't it?
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Funny how you completely ignore character over on another board, isn't it?
I think that one is in Germany though, so it doesn't count against him.?
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Well said. ( so which ones are they? you can tell me. I won't tell anyone. )
The FO feels the same way. For that matter, all front offices do. No doubt they get paid to make decisions, they have far more resources than people like us on the board, but in the end all teams are simply making the best educated guess they can.
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Well said. ( so which ones are they? you can tell me. I won't tell anyone. )
Thanks for the 1st part. I've never been good at pegging QBs right; but I do know what Buffalo did with Josh Allen was brilliant. 1st and foremost they knew WHY they wanted him. That means they did their due diligence studying him to know if his flaws were a show stopper or part of a doable development process (inclusive of growing pains) that gets him out of the bad habits he may have had and reinforced at the college level. Jimmy Haslam and his 2 FO parakeets would have become impatient with the short term growing pains and quit on a serious talent like a Josh Allen. They gave up a huge guaranteed salary and significant draft picks for a guy they were still hiring offensive coaches heading into his 3rd year. They never knew why he was their gotta have especially since they'd have to watch film in lieu of analytic spreadsheets.
Film vrs spreadsheets in a notebook is why GM John Dorsey lost a power struggle before he went and helped turned the Detroit Lions around. Film gives you the why. They still don't know what it was that put Watson in 3 Pro Bowls so they didn't have the right leadership employed to even design a compatible offense.
Anyway, you have to watch film to know what you're looking for and find out why Russell Wilson or Nick Foles or even Kirk Cousins would have been better options than Weeden. Then you have to have the right offensive coaching staff to have a compatible offense with what a young QB does well. You also need to a have a good line and talent to throw to or hand off to. John Dorsey drafted Nick Chubb to take care of one of those things.
My point? I haven't seen this team do this even before Haslam came here. They're always in a hurry to narrow it down to their 2 leading QB prospects or so. Even so, they're probably not even studying the potential early-late mid round prospects. This isn't the type of team that could ever do what SF did with Brock Purdy (the last pick of the draft). Not with this Owner and FO; especially while we're in Berry trying to save his job mode.
There's so much that goes into finding the right QB and having the right staff around him with a FO that understands you don't try to protect your hand selected franchise QB with a LT like Jed Wills. There has to be a devoted work ethic protecting the blind side of QB. While Dawand Jones has talent - showing up to training camp overweight and out of shape as a rookie and then tipping the scales over 400 lbs last year are 2 big reasons his seasons end prematurely on IR.
As a fan with a full time job, I refuse to take the time to study countless QB prospects that won't even be considered. I'll have some fun looking at small handful of prospects this team could/might be considering. That said, there's a lot of guys in here that are better at pegging QB prospects right including you. I'll stick to my comfort zone as a back seat driver on this one pointing out what they need to do to get it right. Find out WHY someone emerges as your fave and make sure the coaching staff and playbook are compatible for success to follow. If you don't know the why those adorable little analytics spreadsheets might as well burn in a bonfire.
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Well said. ( so which ones are they? you can tell me. I won't tell anyone. )
Thanks for the 1st part. I've never been good at pegging QBs right; but I do know what Buffalo did with Josh Allen was brilliant. 1st and foremost they knew WHY they wanted him. That means they did their due diligence studying him to know if his flaws were a show stopper or part of a doable development process (inclusive of growing pains) that gets him out of the bad habits he may have had and reinforced at the college level. Jimmy Haslam and his 2 FO parakeets would have become impatient with the short term growing pains and quit on a serious talent like a Josh Allen. They gave up a huge guaranteed salary and significant draft picks for a guy they were still hiring offensive coaches heading into his 3rd year. They never knew why he was their gotta have especially since they'd have to watch film in lieu of analytic spreadsheets.
Film vrs spreadsheets in a notebook is why GM John Dorsey lost a power struggle before he went and helped turned the Detroit Lions around. Film gives you the why. They still don't know what it was that put Watson in 3 Pro Bowls so they didn't have the right leadership employed to even design a compatible offense.
Anyway, you have to watch film to know what you're looking for and find out why Russell Wilson or Nick Foles or even Kirk Cousins would have been better options than Weeden. Then you have to have the right offensive coaching staff to have a compatible offense with what a young QB does well. You also need to a have a good line and talent to throw to or hand off to. John Dorsey drafted Nick Chubb to take care of one of those things.
My point? I haven't seen this team do this even before Haslam came here. They're always in a hurry to narrow it down to their 2 leading QB prospects or so. Even so, they're probably not even studying the potential early-late mid round prospects. This isn't the type of team that could ever do what SF did with Brock Purdy (the last pick of the draft). Not with this Owner and FO; especially while we're in Berry trying to save his job mode.
There's so much that goes into finding the right QB and having the right staff around him with a FO that understands you don't try to protect your hand selected franchise QB with a LT like Jed Wills. There has to be a devoted work ethic protecting the blind side of QB. While Dawand Jones has talent - showing up to training camp overweight and out of shape as a rookie and then tipping the scales over 400 lbs last year are 2 big reasons his seasons end prematurely on IR.
As a fan with a full time job, I refuse to take the time to study countless QB prospects that won't even be considered. I'll have some fun looking at small handful of prospects this team could/might be considering. That said, there's a lot of guys in here that are better at pegging QB prospects right including you. I'll stick to my comfort zone as a back seat driver on this one pointing out what they need to do to get it right. Find out WHY someone emerges as your fave and make sure the coaching staff and playbook are compatible for success to follow. If you don't know the why those adorable little analytics spreadsheets might as well burn in a bonfire.
As a fan with a full time job, I refuse to take the time to study countless QB prospects that won't even be considered.
I'm retired and won't take the time to study.
But I'll research a few to some small degree. And I'll research the guy(s) that we pick, post draft.....to some degree.
BEING A BROWNS FAN IS A TEST TO SEE HOW MUCH YOU CAN TAKE -
I'm retired and won't take the time to study.
But I'll research a few to some small degree. And I'll research the guy(s) that we pick, post draft.....to some degree.
I can't wait to say "I'm not just tired. I'm retired!" This guy's got the right idea & morning caffeine ain't even necessary.
As for the draft, we'll have some fun again leading up to it. Then we'll grade it; and begin looking at the undrafted free agents again.
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I'm retired and won't take the time to study.
But I'll research a few to some small degree. And I'll research the guy(s) that we pick, post draft.....to some degree.
I'm retired and too lazy to do anything but read what Orion finds out. ?
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