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    C calfoxwc wrote on last edited by
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    and more serious truth:

    https://www.villages-news.com/2024/12/22/there-never-was-a-palestinian-country-or-state/

    There never was a Palestinian country or state

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      Robert is sounding more and more like AI.....

      for some legit history:

      https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/21310/palestinian-statehood-denied

      Who Really Denied Statehood to the Palestinian People?

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      @calfoxwc said:

      Robert is sounding more and more like AI.....

      for some legit history:

      https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/21310/palestinian-statehood-denied

      Who Really Denied Statehood to the Palestinian People?

      Thank you for the excellent link and I hope you observe there is no contradiction with the information I offered.

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        @calfoxwc said:

        Robert is sounding more and more like AI.....

        for some legit history:

        https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/21310/palestinian-statehood-denied

        Who Really Denied Statehood to the Palestinian People?

        Thank you for the excellent link and I hope you observe there is no contradiction with the information I offered.

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        C calfoxwc wrote on last edited by
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        @robert333 said:

        Thank you for the excellent link and I hope you observe there is no contradiction with the information I offered.

        I didn't read the Britannica you posted. too long

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          @robert333 said:

          Thank you for the excellent link and I hope you observe there is no contradiction with the information I offered.

          I didn't read the Britannica you posted. too long

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          Robert333R Robert333 wrote on last edited by Robert333
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          @calfoxwc said:

          I didn't read the Britannica you posted. too long

          My extract was 34 words long, and having made a slight change is now 33 words long!
          Edit:
          On review, I felt it necessary to take the whole paragraph, so that the quote is now 104 words.


          I've now slightly corrected the extract I put, because Britannica have made some changes since I copied it to my research document.

          If you want to check my extract you can use the link I provided to go to the Britannica webpage in question, and in your web browser use its Find... option to search for the words:
          "had no official status".

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            @calfoxwc said:

            I didn't read the Britannica you posted. too long

            My extract was 34 words long, and having made a slight change is now 33 words long!
            Edit:
            On review, I felt it necessary to take the whole paragraph, so that the quote is now 104 words.


            I've now slightly corrected the extract I put, because Britannica have made some changes since I copied it to my research document.

            If you want to check my extract you can use the link I provided to go to the Britannica webpage in question, and in your web browser use its Find... option to search for the words:
            "had no official status".

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            C calfoxwc wrote on last edited by
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            @robert333 said:

            My extract was 34 words long, and having made a slight change is now 33 words long!

            I've now slightly corrected the extract I put, because Britannica have made some changes since I copied it to my research document.

            If you want to check my extract you can use the link I provided to go to the Britannica webpage in question, and in your web browser use its Find... option to search for the words:
            "had no official status".

            so, you are a grad student doing research?

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              @robert333 said:

              My extract was 34 words long, and having made a slight change is now 33 words long!

              I've now slightly corrected the extract I put, because Britannica have made some changes since I copied it to my research document.

              If you want to check my extract you can use the link I provided to go to the Britannica webpage in question, and in your web browser use its Find... option to search for the words:
              "had no official status".

              so, you are a grad student doing research?

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              Robert333R Robert333 wrote on last edited by Robert333
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              @calfoxwc said:

              so, you are a grad student doing research?

              No, I am a nobody (though with legal training) who has over eight years experience rebutting anti-Semitic / pro "Palestinian" Arab hate propaganda against Israel / the Jewish people, on the now defunct (English) Yahoo Answers. This is how I know that you are one of those apparently rather rarer people who are expert on this subject! Have you considered (if not doing so already), rebutting falsehood against Israel on social media? 

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                @calfoxwc said:

                so, you are a grad student doing research?

                No, I am a nobody (though with legal training) who has over eight years experience rebutting anti-Semitic / pro "Palestinian" Arab hate propaganda against Israel / the Jewish people, on the now defunct (English) Yahoo Answers. This is how I know that you are one of those apparently rather rarer people who are expert on this subject! Have you considered (if not doing so already), rebutting falsehood against Israel on social media? 

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                C calfoxwc wrote on last edited by
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                @robert333 said:

                No, I am a nobody (though with legal training) who has over eight years experience rebutting anti-Semitic / pro "Palestinian" Arab hate propaganda against Israel / the Jewish people, on the now defunct (English) Yahoo Answers. This is how I know that you are one of those apparently rather rarer people who are expert on this subject! Have you considered (if not doing so already), rebutting falsehood against Israel on social media? 

                No, I'm just a guy. I took "Mideast Studies" in college before I went into the service, and was fascinated by it, which didn't happen very often. I was also fascinated by Freshman English III, which involved Joseph Campbell's "Hero of a Thousand faces" ...about his theory about all literature having common symbolic elements in it.

                    The history of the region was amazing, and the conflicts from the beginning of the history of it all, is a constant. From Muhammad ordering a Jewish settle to become "muslim", and they refused, and he killed all the men, etc.....

                to Oct. 7th...

                The Prof was a visitor to Israel many times, in his studies.

                The history is complex and violent. And, as a cultural identification, the insane hatred still exists today.

                https://answering-islam.org/Authors/Arlandson/qurayza_jews.htm

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                  @robert333 said:

                  No, I am a nobody (though with legal training) who has over eight years experience rebutting anti-Semitic / pro "Palestinian" Arab hate propaganda against Israel / the Jewish people, on the now defunct (English) Yahoo Answers. This is how I know that you are one of those apparently rather rarer people who are expert on this subject! Have you considered (if not doing so already), rebutting falsehood against Israel on social media? 

                  No, I'm just a guy. I took "Mideast Studies" in college before I went into the service, and was fascinated by it, which didn't happen very often. I was also fascinated by Freshman English III, which involved Joseph Campbell's "Hero of a Thousand faces" ...about his theory about all literature having common symbolic elements in it.

                      The history of the region was amazing, and the conflicts from the beginning of the history of it all, is a constant. From Muhammad ordering a Jewish settle to become "muslim", and they refused, and he killed all the men, etc.....

                  to Oct. 7th...

                  The Prof was a visitor to Israel many times, in his studies.

                  The history is complex and violent. And, as a cultural identification, the insane hatred still exists today.

                  https://answering-islam.org/Authors/Arlandson/qurayza_jews.htm

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                  Robert333R Robert333 wrote on last edited by Robert333
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                  @calfoxwc said:

                  No, I'm just a guy. I took "Mideast Studies" in college before I went into the service, and was fascinated by it, which didn't happen very often. I was also fascinated by Freshman English III, which involved Joseph Campbell's "Hero of a Thousand faces" ...about his theory about all literature having common symbolic elements in it.

                      The history of the region was amazing, and the conflicts from the beginning of the history of it all, is a constant. From Muhammad ordering a Jewish settle to become "muslim", and they refused, and he killed all the men, etc.....

                  to Oct. 7th...

                  The Prof was a visitor to Israel many times, in his studies.

                  The history is complex and violent. And, as a cultural identification, the insane hatred still exists today.

                  https://answering-islam.org/Authors/Arlandson/qurayza_jews.htm

                  Despite the political history, the modern dispute over the land of Israel is not one of religion, but can be sourced to the territorial ambitions of the "Palestinian" Arabs. The Media often say the "Palestinians" WANT various areas of the land of Israel for a state (typically: Judah and Samaria ("West Bank"), Gaza, and "East" Jerusalem), but one will look within that news piece in vain trying to discover upon what historical or legal basis that is; for there is none ! Nor are the "Palestinian" Arabs ever put to the trouble of being asked to explain it. 

                  Here's an example why the dispute is not a religious one. The noble Quran refers to the ancient Jewish Temple at Jerusalem as a mosque! In Surah (chapter) Al-Isra (The Journey by Night) 17, the Islamic Prophet Muhammad was miraculously transported overnight, from the “al-Masjid al-Haram” (the Sacred Mosque) in the vicinity of the Ka’ba Mecca, to the Al–Masjid-al–Aqsâ (the Farthest Mosque) identified in Islamic teaching as the Haram al-Sharif / Temple Mount Jerusalem.

                  However, during the Islamic Prophet’s lifetime there was NO mosque in Jerusalem, as the Islamic conquest of Jerusalem did not take place until 637 CE / 16 AH, which was after the Prophet’s death in 632 CE / 11 AH. Therefore the “Masjid” [mosque] at the Al–Masjid-al–Aqsâ (the Farthest Mosque) to which the above verse refers, can only be the Jewish Temple. 

                  You refer to today's 'hatred'. I would say that can be sourced to the "Palestinian" Arab side and not to the Jewish / Israeli side. The "Palestinian" Arabs and their primarily anti-Semitic supporters have no basis for claiming the land, which is why the "Palestinian" Arabs teach falsehood and hatred to their children in Palestinian education, in particular their school text books. I discussed that on the following webpage (in my first post on the page) [I've removed the "https" to prevent the System showing a graphic instead of the address:
                  www.thebrownsboard.com/topic/69432-outrage-as-drag-queen-leads-young-kids-in-%E2%80%98free-palestine%E2%80%99-chant-during-story-time-event/#replyForm
                  By comparison, Israeli education does not malign Arabs. 

                  You will find that in any debate or attempted debate, when the other person lacks argument, if they make any response and cannot divert the subject, they tend to resort to emotion. The next time the general reader finds themselves in discussion with a "Palestinian" Arab or pro "Palestinian" Arab, I invite them to try challenging them to provide objective-evidence in support of their allegations against Israel, and then see what the reaction is !
                   

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                    @calfoxwc said:

                    No, I'm just a guy. I took "Mideast Studies" in college before I went into the service, and was fascinated by it, which didn't happen very often. I was also fascinated by Freshman English III, which involved Joseph Campbell's "Hero of a Thousand faces" ...about his theory about all literature having common symbolic elements in it.

                        The history of the region was amazing, and the conflicts from the beginning of the history of it all, is a constant. From Muhammad ordering a Jewish settle to become "muslim", and they refused, and he killed all the men, etc.....

                    to Oct. 7th...

                    The Prof was a visitor to Israel many times, in his studies.

                    The history is complex and violent. And, as a cultural identification, the insane hatred still exists today.

                    https://answering-islam.org/Authors/Arlandson/qurayza_jews.htm

                    Despite the political history, the modern dispute over the land of Israel is not one of religion, but can be sourced to the territorial ambitions of the "Palestinian" Arabs. The Media often say the "Palestinians" WANT various areas of the land of Israel for a state (typically: Judah and Samaria ("West Bank"), Gaza, and "East" Jerusalem), but one will look within that news piece in vain trying to discover upon what historical or legal basis that is; for there is none ! Nor are the "Palestinian" Arabs ever put to the trouble of being asked to explain it. 

                    Here's an example why the dispute is not a religious one. The noble Quran refers to the ancient Jewish Temple at Jerusalem as a mosque! In Surah (chapter) Al-Isra (The Journey by Night) 17, the Islamic Prophet Muhammad was miraculously transported overnight, from the “al-Masjid al-Haram” (the Sacred Mosque) in the vicinity of the Ka’ba Mecca, to the Al–Masjid-al–Aqsâ (the Farthest Mosque) identified in Islamic teaching as the Haram al-Sharif / Temple Mount Jerusalem.

                    However, during the Islamic Prophet’s lifetime there was NO mosque in Jerusalem, as the Islamic conquest of Jerusalem did not take place until 637 CE / 16 AH, which was after the Prophet’s death in 632 CE / 11 AH. Therefore the “Masjid” [mosque] at the Al–Masjid-al–Aqsâ (the Farthest Mosque) to which the above verse refers, can only be the Jewish Temple. 

                    You refer to today's 'hatred'. I would say that can be sourced to the "Palestinian" Arab side and not to the Jewish / Israeli side. The "Palestinian" Arabs and their primarily anti-Semitic supporters have no basis for claiming the land, which is why the "Palestinian" Arabs teach falsehood and hatred to their children in Palestinian education, in particular their school text books. I discussed that on the following webpage (in my first post on the page) [I've removed the "https" to prevent the System showing a graphic instead of the address:
                    www.thebrownsboard.com/topic/69432-outrage-as-drag-queen-leads-young-kids-in-%E2%80%98free-palestine%E2%80%99-chant-during-story-time-event/#replyForm
                    By comparison, Israeli education does not malign Arabs. 

                    You will find that in any debate or attempted debate, when the other person lacks argument, if they make any response and cannot divert the subject, they tend to resort to emotion. The next time the general reader finds themselves in discussion with a "Palestinian" Arab or pro "Palestinian" Arab, I invite them to try challenging them to provide objective-evidence in support of their allegations against Israel, and then see what the reaction is !
                     

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                    @robert333 said:

                    You refer to today's 'hatred'. I would say that can be sourced to the "Palestinian" Arab side and not to the Jewish / Israeli side.

                    I thought it was obvious I was referring to the self-imposed plight of the aggressor hating "palestinians".

                    Certainly not the Israelis.

                    From the horrific crimes of mohammad's armies, the black september and grey wolved terror groups, to hamas/hezbollah/houthis, isis, al-quaeda, and whatever else groups I don't know.....

                    it's been a vicious, arrogant, violent, sick actions by "muslims" groups.

                    and the "palestinians" want Israel to not exist. It isn't just the West Bank, etc.

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                      @robert333 said:

                      You refer to today's 'hatred'. I would say that can be sourced to the "Palestinian" Arab side and not to the Jewish / Israeli side.

                      I thought it was obvious I was referring to the self-imposed plight of the aggressor hating "palestinians".

                      Certainly not the Israelis.

                      From the horrific crimes of mohammad's armies, the black september and grey wolved terror groups, to hamas/hezbollah/houthis, isis, al-quaeda, and whatever else groups I don't know.....

                      it's been a vicious, arrogant, violent, sick actions by "muslims" groups.

                      and the "palestinians" want Israel to not exist. It isn't just the West Bank, etc.

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                      @calfoxwc said:

                      I thought it was obvious I was referring to the self-imposed plight of the aggressor hating "palestinians".

                      Certainly not the Israelis.
                       


                      When I reply I do also have half an eye on the general reader who may not yet have made up their mind, and so I sought to make the matter clear for them that it is the "Palestinian" Arabs who teach hatred; no discourtesy intended. 

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