Sanders Falling, Dart Rising?
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great point with Brady.
I watched ND St, Nebraska and the Hail Mary game- he looked very good. He has good accuracy…I remember when we drafted Quinn, ESPN had clip for clip bad ball placement from Quinn like throwing back shoulder on slants. I don’t know if Shedeur is there… But he has one similar quality that Quinn had….Shedeur holds the ball too long doesn’t appear to pay with anticipation
I get a Charlie Frye comp. with Shedeur. He’s slippery like Charlie and not fast either.
The more and more I read into draft if Milroe slips badly like to our 3rd round pick I might give him a shot and then fire Stefanski and run a Lamar type offense. Lol.
I keep hearing Dart or Milroe to Pittsburgh in the first round(?)
I want nothing to do with Milroe.
I keep hearing Dart or Milroe to Pittsburgh in the first round(?)
I want nothing to do with Milroe.
If Pitt didn't like a guy (Justin Fields) that had a season in college where he threw 41 TD passes to just 3 INTs (the year before he led them to a National Championship Game) - Milroe is coming off a season we he threw 16 TD passes with 11 INTs. Fields was 4-2 as the starter in Pitt. He's only being judged for what he did in Chicago - where that franchise serial kills young QB careers. This is like Steve Young going to the Tampa Bucs back when that was a nightmare for QBs drafted to that franchise. NOBODY wanted Steve Young after this except Bill Walsh (who already had Joe Montana) and a HOF career was written that nobody who witnessed him in Tampa could have imagined. Something very similar happened with Doug Williams going to the Redskins and beating Denver in the Super Bowl. Not saying that's quite the case with Fields; but look at what we're choosing from today with the 2nd overall pick. Do we look like a happy bunch with the QBs we have to choose from at #2?
We're obviously not quitters though. When it all seems too tough - there's always Tyler's Shough.
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great point with Brady.
I watched ND St, Nebraska and the Hail Mary game- he looked very good. He has good accuracy…I remember when we drafted Quinn, ESPN had clip for clip bad ball placement from Quinn like throwing back shoulder on slants. I don’t know if Shedeur is there… But he has one similar quality that Quinn had….Shedeur holds the ball too long doesn’t appear to pay with anticipation
I get a Charlie Frye comp. with Shedeur. He’s slippery like Charlie and not fast either.
The more and more I read into draft if Milroe slips badly like to our 3rd round pick I might give him a shot and then fire Stefanski and run a Lamar type offense. Lol.
I keep hearing Dart or Milroe to Pittsburgh in the first round(?)
I want nothing to do with Milroe.
I keep hearing Dart or Milroe to Pittsburgh in the first round(?)
I want nothing to do with Milroe.
I'll shit a live squirrel if Milroe even so much as sniffs the 1st round.
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Sanders is the best QB in the draft.
If you don’t believe me…just ask him.
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Watched another McShay video about Sanders this morning, he made a very good point that speaks to Sanders stock falling...
Last fall, we heard things about of the Sanders camp, from Deion himself about how "we will control where he goes"... Now, Prime is all: "Well we'd be honored by anyone taking my son..."
He knows his son doesn't have the juice a true honest-to-god phenom QB has entering the draft.
Watched another McShay video about Sanders this morning, he made a very good point that speaks to Sanders stock falling...
Last fall, we heard things about of the Sanders camp, from Deion himself about how "we will control where he goes"... Now, Prime is all: "Well we'd be honored by anyone taking my son..."
He knows his son doesn't have the juice a true honest-to-god phenom QB has entering the draft.
McShay also said Sanders is the best pure passer in the draft in the video you shared. Comparing him to Dart or any other QB is a common thing to do in a draft class. Teams are gonna reach on QBs over BPA - it's done every year so my guess is McShay wants to acknowledge Dart (because he's hearing rumors of teams being interested). Now he can stash this stuff in his back pocket until Kiper starts gettin all full of himself at the draft.
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Knuckle deep in my charting for my next write up - Jaxon (Lawn) Dart.
All are welcomed to join in the film and play charting session(s).
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Stefanski was not present at the pro day, Wonder why ?
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Some pundits have us taking Tyler Shough QB, at #33. Let's say we take a QB at 33...the guy could compete with Pickett for the starting job...and it wouldn't necessarily keep us from drafting QB in round 1 next year. - couple more weeks -
BEING A BROWNS FAN IS A TEST TO SEE HOW MUCH YOU CAN TAKE -
Some pundits have us taking Tyler Shough QB, at #33. Let's say we take a QB at 33...the guy could compete with Pickett for the starting job...and it wouldn't necessarily keep us from drafting QB in round 1 next year. - couple more weeks -
Some pundits have us taking Tyler Shough QB, at #33. Let's say we take a QB at 33...the guy could compete with Pickett for the starting job...and it wouldn't necessarily keep us from drafting QB in round 1 next year. - couple more weeks -
I don't do "next year" during "this year" anymore. I used to do that when the Browns were losing very close AFC Championship Games when I was in my early twenties. 40+ years later, I've learned the next year mentality is an excuse to mess up the draft this year. Don't believe me? The last QB this team drafted capable of leading this team to Conference Championship Games was Bernie Kosar in the 85 Supplemental Draft (40 years ago). And that took a Supplemental Draft opportunity to get it done.
It's time for our FO to prove they can compete in the draft. No excuses - no explanations!!!
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
Some pundits have us taking Tyler Shough QB, at #33. Let's say we take a QB at 33...the guy could compete with Pickett for the starting job...and it wouldn't necessarily keep us from drafting QB in round 1 next year. - couple more weeks -
Some pundits have us taking Tyler Shough QB, at #33. Let's say we take a QB at 33...the guy could compete with Pickett for the starting job...and it wouldn't necessarily keep us from drafting QB in round 1 next year. - couple more weeks -
Believe it or not Orion, I can see and like us going this route if we already have Travis Hunter in the house. I saw him on an interview making it a point to say he ran an official 4.64 forty saying it bettered Josh Allen's 4.7 forty. I don't think he said that to say he plans on running as often as Josh as much as he wants people to know he's not cement shoed if/when a situation calls for him to move (such as playing QB in an offense that has a tendency to have 1-2 starting offensive tackles injured).
I'm also not against drafting a QB later in the draft like a Kurtis Rourke, Riley Leonard or the shorter guy Dillon Gabriel (at an inch taller than Russell Wilson was on draft day - even been listed at 6' lately if true)...
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Some pundits have us taking Tyler Shough QB, at #33. Let's say we take a QB at 33...the guy could compete with Pickett for the starting job...and it wouldn't necessarily keep us from drafting QB in round 1 next year. - couple more weeks -
I don't do "next year" during "this year" anymore. I used to do that when the Browns were losing very close AFC Championship Games when I was in my early twenties. 40+ years later, I've learned the next year mentality is an excuse to mess up the draft this year. Don't believe me? The last QB this team drafted capable of leading this team to Conference Championship Games was Bernie Kosar in the 85 Supplemental Draft (40 years ago). And that took a Supplemental Draft opportunity to get it done.
It's time for our FO to prove they can compete in the draft. No excuses - no explanations!!!
I don't do "next year" during "this year" anymore. I used to
Man, I so hear that. I really and truly hate the idea of 'We'll get our QB next year'. To me, that's like dying of a heart attack and saying you'll have the bypass operation next year. Without a QB your season dies a slow, painful death. It's a cop-out. And the last time we were in this situation Haslem chose not to cop-out and spent the big assets on Watson...to finally put the QB problem to bed. I give him credit for that. And I'm certainly no Haslem fan. ( too bad the whole thing fell flat on it's face )
Having vented all of that...I understand their dilemma. If they truly don't believe that Sanders is any better than a guy they could get at the start of round 2, then they have to ignore the most important position in the organization at pick #2 and take the BPA, OR trade out if you think that the trade value outweighs the BPA at #2. AND THEN, if you think that Sanders will be a decent QB, then with those newly acquired assets, trade into position to take him...OR...into position to take a QB ( like a Dart } who might not make it to round 2 ( if you like Dart or somebody ). But you've GOT to come away with a QB shot-in-the-dark...because the position is just that important. ANY other position, you play it by the book...but QB is off the curve important....
BEING A BROWNS FAN IS A TEST TO SEE HOW MUCH YOU CAN TAKE -
I don't do "next year" during "this year" anymore. I used to
Man, I so hear that. I really and truly hate the idea of 'We'll get our QB next year'. To me, that's like dying of a heart attack and saying you'll have the bypass operation next year. Without a QB your season dies a slow, painful death. It's a cop-out. And the last time we were in this situation Haslem chose not to cop-out and spent the big assets on Watson...to finally put the QB problem to bed. I give him credit for that. And I'm certainly no Haslem fan. ( too bad the whole thing fell flat on it's face )
Having vented all of that...I understand their dilemma. If they truly don't believe that Sanders is any better than a guy they could get at the start of round 2, then they have to ignore the most important position in the organization at pick #2 and take the BPA, OR trade out if you think that the trade value outweighs the BPA at #2. AND THEN, if you think that Sanders will be a decent QB, then with those newly acquired assets, trade into position to take him...OR...into position to take a QB ( like a Dart } who might not make it to round 2 ( if you like Dart or somebody ). But you've GOT to come away with a QB shot-in-the-dark...because the position is just that important. ANY other position, you play it by the book...but QB is off the curve important....
Man, I so hear that. I really and truly hate the idea of 'We'll get our QB next year'. To me, that's like dying of a heart attack and saying you'll have the bypass operation next year. Without a QB your season dies a slow, painful death. It's a cop-out. And the last time we were in this situation Haslem chose not to cop-out and spent the big assets on Watson...to finally put the QB problem to bed. I give him credit for that. And I'm certainly no Haslem fan. ( too bad the whole thing fell flat on it's face )
Having vented all of that...I understand their dilemma. If they truly don't believe that Sanders is any better than a guy they could get at the start of round 2, then they have to ignore the most important position in the organization at pick #2 and take the BPA, OR trade out if you think that the trade value outweighs the BPA at #2. AND THEN, if you think that Sanders will be a decent QB, then with those newly acquired assets, trade into position to take him...OR...into position to take a QB ( like a Dart } who might not make it to round 2 ( if you like Dart or somebody ). But you've GOT to come away with a QB shot-in-the-dark...because the position is just that important. ANY other position, you play it by the book...but QB is off the curve important....
And for what feels like the 190th time this offseason, yes, let’s take a high pick and wish and pray that the mediocre QB prospect we’re using it on works out. I’d hate to use that #33 on another Joel Bitonio or Nick Chubb.
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This QB class a a QB at 2 or anywhere before 33. Is crazy talk regardless of the no QB no hope talk.
At 33 it is slightly easier to digest. We have what I believe maybe a 20 percent chance of making a selection at 33. I believe we could stupidly trade up for a QB (acting out of panic) or wisely trade back while we are on the clock for 19 hours getting offers. The sweet spot of this draft seems to be the second round where you can find good talent with actual second round grades. OSU guys for instance JTT, Henderson and Jackson these are guys that not first round talents in most years but may see the back half of the first. I am thinking players like this could get pushed back in that 45-55 range depending how other teams view talent
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Man, I so hear that. I really and truly hate the idea of 'We'll get our QB next year'. To me, that's like dying of a heart attack and saying you'll have the bypass operation next year. Without a QB your season dies a slow, painful death. It's a cop-out. And the last time we were in this situation Haslem chose not to cop-out and spent the big assets on Watson...to finally put the QB problem to bed. I give him credit for that. And I'm certainly no Haslem fan. ( too bad the whole thing fell flat on it's face )
Having vented all of that...I understand their dilemma. If they truly don't believe that Sanders is any better than a guy they could get at the start of round 2, then they have to ignore the most important position in the organization at pick #2 and take the BPA, OR trade out if you think that the trade value outweighs the BPA at #2. AND THEN, if you think that Sanders will be a decent QB, then with those newly acquired assets, trade into position to take him...OR...into position to take a QB ( like a Dart } who might not make it to round 2 ( if you like Dart or somebody ). But you've GOT to come away with a QB shot-in-the-dark...because the position is just that important. ANY other position, you play it by the book...but QB is off the curve important....
And for what feels like the 190th time this offseason, yes, let’s take a high pick and wish and pray that the mediocre QB prospect we’re using it on works out. I’d hate to use that #33 on another Joel Bitonio or Nick Chubb.
I’d hate to use that #33 on another Joel Bitonio or Nick Chubb.
Can they throw TD passes?
Then they're a luxury item.
Now if you can't pick the QB because he stinks, then go ahead and pick the luxury items. What else can ya do? Trade 3 first rounders for someone's QB?
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I don't do "next year" during "this year" anymore. I used to
Man, I so hear that. I really and truly hate the idea of 'We'll get our QB next year'. To me, that's like dying of a heart attack and saying you'll have the bypass operation next year. Without a QB your season dies a slow, painful death. It's a cop-out. And the last time we were in this situation Haslem chose not to cop-out and spent the big assets on Watson...to finally put the QB problem to bed. I give him credit for that. And I'm certainly no Haslem fan. ( too bad the whole thing fell flat on it's face )
Having vented all of that...I understand their dilemma. If they truly don't believe that Sanders is any better than a guy they could get at the start of round 2, then they have to ignore the most important position in the organization at pick #2 and take the BPA, OR trade out if you think that the trade value outweighs the BPA at #2. AND THEN, if you think that Sanders will be a decent QB, then with those newly acquired assets, trade into position to take him...OR...into position to take a QB ( like a Dart } who might not make it to round 2 ( if you like Dart or somebody ). But you've GOT to come away with a QB shot-in-the-dark...because the position is just that important. ANY other position, you play it by the book...but QB is off the curve important....
Man, I so hear that. I really and truly hate the idea of 'We'll get our QB next year'. To me, that's like dying of a heart attack and saying you'll have the bypass operation next year. Without a QB your season dies a slow, painful death. It's a cop-out. And the last time we were in this situation Haslem chose not to cop-out and spent the big assets on Watson...to finally put the QB problem to bed. I give him credit for that. And I'm certainly no Haslem fan. ( too bad the whole thing fell flat on it's face )
Having vented all of that...I understand their dilemma. If they truly don't believe that Sanders is any better than a guy they could get at the start of round 2, then they have to ignore the most important position in the organization at pick #2 and take the BPA, OR trade out if you think that the trade value outweighs the BPA at #2. AND THEN, if you think that Sanders will be a decent QB, then with those newly acquired assets, trade into position to take him...OR...into position to take a QB ( like a Dart } who might not make it to round 2 ( if you like Dart or somebody ). But you've GOT to come away with a QB shot-in-the-dark...because the position is just that important. ANY other position, you play it by the book...but QB is off the curve important....
I'm holding off on giving Jimmy credit and I'll tell ya why.. Okay Baker was immature so going after a QB in the situation Watson put himself in - didn't upgrade the character of the QB at all right? It certainly didn't make the difference in leadership either. Looking at what the 2 QBs have done the last 2 seasons - he definitely didn't upgrade Baker's passing. In conclusion, we spun our wheels and gave up too many high round draft picks (that are showing up as needs today) - when in actuality we'd give anything for a QB that can throw over 40 TD passes for this team today...
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Man, I so hear that. I really and truly hate the idea of 'We'll get our QB next year'. To me, that's like dying of a heart attack and saying you'll have the bypass operation next year. Without a QB your season dies a slow, painful death. It's a cop-out. And the last time we were in this situation Haslem chose not to cop-out and spent the big assets on Watson...to finally put the QB problem to bed. I give him credit for that. And I'm certainly no Haslem fan. ( too bad the whole thing fell flat on it's face )
Having vented all of that...I understand their dilemma. If they truly don't believe that Sanders is any better than a guy they could get at the start of round 2, then they have to ignore the most important position in the organization at pick #2 and take the BPA, OR trade out if you think that the trade value outweighs the BPA at #2. AND THEN, if you think that Sanders will be a decent QB, then with those newly acquired assets, trade into position to take him...OR...into position to take a QB ( like a Dart } who might not make it to round 2 ( if you like Dart or somebody ). But you've GOT to come away with a QB shot-in-the-dark...because the position is just that important. ANY other position, you play it by the book...but QB is off the curve important....
I'm holding off on giving Jimmy credit and I'll tell ya why.. Okay Baker was immature so going after a QB in the situation Watson put himself in - didn't upgrade the character of the QB at all right? It certainly didn't make the difference in leadership either. Looking at what the 2 QBs have done the last 2 seasons - he definitely didn't upgrade Baker's passing. In conclusion, we spun our wheels and gave up too many high round draft picks (that are showing up as needs today) - when in actuality we'd give anything for a QB that can throw over 40 TD passes for this team today...
Baker was immature so going after a QB in the situation Watson put himself in - didn't upgrade the character of the QB at all right? It certainly didn't make the difference in leadership either.
Yeah, I never thought that Watson was going to be a team leader in anything except passing stats. But the success of the organization is based on Wins & Losses...not whether the woman's auxiliary likes your QB or not. The plan wasn't for Watson to fall flat on his face. And remember, two teams after us gave up on Baker in very short order. We weren't the only ones to see him as expendable.
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Baker was immature so going after a QB in the situation Watson put himself in - didn't upgrade the character of the QB at all right? It certainly didn't make the difference in leadership either.
Yeah, I never thought that Watson was going to be a team leader in anything except passing stats. But the success of the organization is based on Wins & Losses...not whether the woman's auxiliary likes your QB or not. The plan wasn't for Watson to fall flat on his face. And remember, two teams after us gave up on Baker in very short order. We weren't the only ones to see him as expendable.
Yeah, I never thought that Watson was going to be a team leader in anything except passing stats. But the success of the organization is based on Wins & Losses...not whether the woman's auxiliary likes your QB or not. The plan wasn't for Watson to fall flat on his face. And remember, two teams after us gave up on Baker in very short order. We weren't the only ones to see him as expendable.
Kind of. One of them was Carolina who gave up on Darnold too as well as benching 1st overall pick Bryce Young; so they blamed the QBs for their inability to field a good team around the QB. The Rams already invested very heavily in Matthew Stafford so they weren't going to cut him for Cheese Cakes. Both parties saw Baker in LA as an audition for after Stafford gets healthy again. Right on cue, it became the experience that interested Tampa in him. Today, he's throwing over 40 TD passes and leading the Bucs to the playoffs in 2 consecutive seasons.
Moving forward, we're under 2 weeks til the draft. What are you thinking for the 1st 2 rounds?
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Yeah, I never thought that Watson was going to be a team leader in anything except passing stats. But the success of the organization is based on Wins & Losses...not whether the woman's auxiliary likes your QB or not. The plan wasn't for Watson to fall flat on his face. And remember, two teams after us gave up on Baker in very short order. We weren't the only ones to see him as expendable.
Kind of. One of them was Carolina who gave up on Darnold too as well as benching 1st overall pick Bryce Young; so they blamed the QBs for their inability to field a good team around the QB. The Rams already invested very heavily in Matthew Stafford so they weren't going to cut him for Cheese Cakes. Both parties saw Baker in LA as an audition for after Stafford gets healthy again. Right on cue, it became the experience that interested Tampa in him. Today, he's throwing over 40 TD passes and leading the Bucs to the playoffs in 2 consecutive seasons.
Moving forward, we're under 2 weeks til the draft. What are you thinking for the 1st 2 rounds?
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I'm thinking Hunter...and then, I don't know what the heck they'll do.
Me too! And I kind of like that.
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
Me too! And I kind of like that.
Literally any player chosen fills a need.
Should make for an interesting Draft Weekend!
(But I just realized a week or so ago that I got tickets to see JIm Gaffigan at Playhouse Square, so I'll miss a good chunk of Day 3. Such a pity.)
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