Unofficial 2025 Pre-Training Camp Roster & Depth Charts
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I think that Ford has shown enough flashes that somebody is gonna have to flat out beat him out. I certainly don't think that Pierre Strong can do it.
Ford also shows flashes of running into traffic that vision could have helped him avoid. Trade him or drop him. Waste of a roster space IMO.
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I think that Ford has shown enough flashes that somebody is gonna have to flat out beat him out. I certainly don't think that Pierre Strong can do it.
Ford also shows flashes of running into traffic that vision could have helped him avoid. Trade him or drop him. Waste of a roster space IMO.
Ford also shows flashes of running into traffic that vision could have helped him avoid. Trade him or drop him. Waste of a roster space IMO.
The guy who averaged 5.4 yards per carry last season and is good for about 40 receptions a season?
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Ford also shows flashes of running into traffic that vision could have helped him avoid. Trade him or drop him. Waste of a roster space IMO.
The guy who averaged 5.4 yards per carry last season and is good for about 40 receptions a season?
The guy who averaged 5.4 yards per carry last season and is good for about 40 receptions a season?
Ford isn't as bad as people make him out to be sometimes. He had to replace fan fave Nick Chubb which is no easy task. The 1 thing Ford did that made fans' skin crawl (mine included) was turn something like a 3 yard loss into a 45 yard loss. There were other times he turned what should have been a short loss into a bigger loss. Next thing we know - the Browns fired Stump Mitchell and hired Duce Staley.
If you track Ford's college career, he ended up transferring out of Alabama to the University of Cincinnati. During the 2021 season when they went to the BCS playoffs - he scored 20 TDs in 13 games while rushing for over 1319 yards at 6.2 yards per carry with 19 TDs & catching 21 passes for 220 yards with 1 TD. The year before he transferred, he averaged 6.6 yards per carry so there were things to tap - and Cincy did that. At this level, I think he deserves to compete for a roster spot against some very good competition. Let's see what happens...
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The guy who averaged 5.4 yards per carry last season and is good for about 40 receptions a season?
Ford isn't as bad as people make him out to be sometimes. He had to replace fan fave Nick Chubb which is no easy task. The 1 thing Ford did that made fans' skin crawl (mine included) was turn something like a 3 yard loss into a 45 yard loss. There were other times he turned what should have been a short loss into a bigger loss. Next thing we know - the Browns fired Stump Mitchell and hired Duce Staley.
If you track Ford's college career, he ended up transferring out of Alabama to the University of Cincinnati. During the 2021 season when they went to the BCS playoffs - he scored 20 TDs in 13 games while rushing for over 1319 yards at 6.2 yards per carry with 19 TDs & catching 21 passes for 220 yards with 1 TD. The year before he transferred, he averaged 6.6 yards per carry so there were things to tap - and Cincy did that. At this level, I think he deserves to compete for a roster spot against some very good competition. Let's see what happens...
Ford isn't as bad as people make him out to be sometimes. He had to replace fan fave Nick Chubb which is no easy task. The 1 thing Ford did that made fans' skin crawl (mine included) was turn something like a 3 yard loss into a 45 yard loss. There were other times he turned what should have been a short loss into a bigger loss. Next thing we know - the Browns fired Stump Mitchell and hired Duce Staley.
If you track Ford's college career, he ended up transferring out of Alabama to the University of Cincinnati. During the 2021 season when they went to the BCS playoffs - he scored 20 TDs in 13 games while rushing for over 1319 yards at 6.2 yards per carry with 19 TDs & catching 21 passes for 220 yards with 1 TD. The year before he transferred, he averaged 6.6 yards per carry so there were things to tap - and Cincy did that. At this level, I think he deserves to compete for a roster spot against some very good competition. Let's see what happens...
Honestly he'll make a good backup RB to Judkins this season.
He's not a 250 carry a season guy, but he's a good complement RB, and after the season he'll be done with his rookie contract and will move on to somewhere else.
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I think that Ford has shown enough flashes that somebody is gonna have to flat out beat him out. I certainly don't think that Pierre Strong can do it.
Ford also shows flashes of running into traffic that vision could have helped him avoid. Trade him or drop him. Waste of a roster space IMO.
Ford also shows flashes of running into traffic that vision could have helped him avoid.
Yup....that's him too.
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I have no reason to believe Sampson and even Marshall won't push Ford for playing time. The only advantage he currently brings over them is knowing the offensive language, play structure and his roles in pass pro.
Beyond that he's an average to below average ball carrier.
If they pickup the details fast as rookies, they will end up taking over for him. But like Dutch said, barring miracle improvement, he's gone next year.
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I know the Browns had no idea Sanders was going to fall to the 5th round, but I'm starting to really loathe them taking Gabriel in the 3rd round now. Ohio State's LB Cody Simon and DE Jack Sawyer were still on the board, as was South Carolina's DE Kyle Kennard and Notre Dame's safety Xavier Watts. Plus many OLinemen on a team desperate for young OLinemen.
I think the QB room has to be Flacco and Sanders, but it is early, we'll see how things look during training camp.
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I know the Browns had no idea Sanders was going to fall to the 5th round, but I'm starting to really loathe them taking Gabriel in the 3rd round now. Ohio State's LB Cody Simon and DE Jack Sawyer were still on the board, as was South Carolina's DE Kyle Kennard and Notre Dame's safety Xavier Watts. Plus many OLinemen on a team desperate for young OLinemen.
I think the QB room has to be Flacco and Sanders, but it is early, we'll see how things look during training camp.
I know the Browns had no idea Sanders was going to fall to the 5th round, but I'm starting to really loathe them taking Gabriel in the 3rd round now. Ohio State's LB Cody Simon and DE Jack Sawyer were still on the board, as was South Carolina's DE Kyle Kennard and Notre Dame's safety Xavier Watts. Plus many OLinemen on a team desperate for young OLinemen.
I think the QB room has to be Flacco and Sanders, but it is early, we'll see how things look during training camp.
I can’t fault them for sticking to their plan. The best you can hope for from the FO is to do the legwork to have a plan, the stick to-it-iveness to stick to the plan, and the flexibility to smartly alter that plan when opportunity knocks the door down.
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I know the Browns had no idea Sanders was going to fall to the 5th round, but I'm starting to really loathe them taking Gabriel in the 3rd round now. Ohio State's LB Cody Simon and DE Jack Sawyer were still on the board, as was South Carolina's DE Kyle Kennard and Notre Dame's safety Xavier Watts. Plus many OLinemen on a team desperate for young OLinemen.
I think the QB room has to be Flacco and Sanders, but it is early, we'll see how things look during training camp.
I'm starting to really loathe them taking Gabriel in the 3rd round now.
I hear ya. But we have to remember that they had Gabriel as the #2 QB in the draft. Be it right or wrong...
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I'm starting to really loathe them taking Gabriel in the 3rd round now.
I hear ya. But we have to remember that they had Gabriel as the #2 QB in the draft. Be it right or wrong...
I hear ya. But we have to remember that they had Gabriel as the #2 QB in the draft. Be it right or wrong...
In poker, you don't plan your hand. You're playing the hand of the man across from you.
If the Browns had Gabe as the #2 QB and a 3rd round value, but the consensus around the league with professional contacts wasn't the same - then they unnecessarily overpaid.
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I hear ya. But we have to remember that they had Gabriel as the #2 QB in the draft. Be it right or wrong...
In poker, you don't plan your hand. You're playing the hand of the man across from you.
If the Browns had Gabe as the #2 QB and a 3rd round value, but the consensus around the league with professional contacts wasn't the same - then they unnecessarily overpaid.
they unnecessarily overpaid.
But we don't know that, we surmise. Somebody could've picked him before our next pick. We don't know that nobody would've picked him. We didn't know that the Browns had him rated so high. His name certainly didn't come up around here too often, pre draft. But his numbers / stats rank him as one of the best QB's in the draft.
So, after your QB evaluations, he's your choice as the 2nd best QB in the draft. It would not be a stretch for you to think that if YOU see him with that kind of value, others may have reached the same conclusion.
And lastly, he plays QB. They get rated on a different curve because of the position importance (your team is dogshit without one).
They saw an opportunity, in the 3rd round, to come out of the draft with the QB they wanted (for whatever reason, starter, future backup ???}. I can't fault them for the pick. We had no QB. Now, if he turns out to stink, then I could fault them for evaluation. But, as we know, the draft is a crap-shoot.
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they unnecessarily overpaid.
But we don't know that, we surmise. Somebody could've picked him before our next pick. We don't know that nobody would've picked him. We didn't know that the Browns had him rated so high. His name certainly didn't come up around here too often, pre draft. But his numbers / stats rank him as one of the best QB's in the draft.
So, after your QB evaluations, he's your choice as the 2nd best QB in the draft. It would not be a stretch for you to think that if YOU see him with that kind of value, others may have reached the same conclusion.
And lastly, he plays QB. They get rated on a different curve because of the position importance (your team is dogshit without one).
They saw an opportunity, in the 3rd round, to come out of the draft with the QB they wanted (for whatever reason, starter, future backup ???}. I can't fault them for the pick. We had no QB. Now, if he turns out to stink, then I could fault them for evaluation. But, as we know, the draft is a crap-shoot.
But we don't know that, we surmise. Somebody could've picked him before our next pick. We don't know that nobody would've picked him. We didn't know that the Browns had him rated so high. His name certainly didn't come up around here too often, pre draft. But his numbers / stats rank him as one of the best QB's in the draft.
So, after your QB evaluations, he's your choice as the 2nd best QB in the draft. It would not be a stretch for you to think that if YOU see him with that kind of value, others may have reached the same conclusion.
And lastly, he plays QB. They get rated on a different curve because of the position importance (your team is dogshit without one).
They saw an opportunity, in the 3rd round, to come out of the draft with the QB they wanted (for whatever reason, starter, future backup ???}. I can't fault them for the pick. We had no QB. Now, if he turns out to stink, then I could fault them for evaluation. But, as we know, the draft is a crap-shoot.
On top of it being a crap-shoot - our ownerships haven't always had appropriate FOs and/or coaching staffs in tact to develop a young QB the right way. There needs to be an understanding between inevitable growing pains within a learning curve vrs jumping to a premature conclusion on a QB. For example, the Tampa Bay Bucs back in the day concluding Steve Young was trash before he was given a reasonable chance to succeed. At 1 point Dallas had a temptation/consideration of Steve Walsh over Troy Aikman; but lucky for them they resisted that temptation to the disappointment of some portion of their fanbase.
Anyway, this video below shares some interesting perspective on when to start one of the rookie QBs from someone was a rookie QB here that waited until week 7 to start his 1st game in 1985. Interestingly enough, the Browns won the AFC Central with an 8-8 record that year.
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But we don't know that, we surmise. Somebody could've picked him before our next pick. We don't know that nobody would've picked him. We didn't know that the Browns had him rated so high. His name certainly didn't come up around here too often, pre draft. But his numbers / stats rank him as one of the best QB's in the draft.
So, after your QB evaluations, he's your choice as the 2nd best QB in the draft. It would not be a stretch for you to think that if YOU see him with that kind of value, others may have reached the same conclusion.
And lastly, he plays QB. They get rated on a different curve because of the position importance (your team is dogshit without one).
They saw an opportunity, in the 3rd round, to come out of the draft with the QB they wanted (for whatever reason, starter, future backup ???}. I can't fault them for the pick. We had no QB. Now, if he turns out to stink, then I could fault them for evaluation. But, as we know, the draft is a crap-shoot.
On top of it being a crap-shoot - our ownerships haven't always had appropriate FOs and/or coaching staffs in tact to develop a young QB the right way. There needs to be an understanding between inevitable growing pains within a learning curve vrs jumping to a premature conclusion on a QB. For example, the Tampa Bay Bucs back in the day concluding Steve Young was trash before he was given a reasonable chance to succeed. At 1 point Dallas had a temptation/consideration of Steve Walsh over Troy Aikman; but lucky for them they resisted that temptation to the disappointment of some portion of their fanbase.
Anyway, this video below shares some interesting perspective on when to start one of the rookie QBs from someone was a rookie QB here that waited until week 7 to start his 1st game in 1985. Interestingly enough, the Browns won the AFC Central with an 8-8 record that year.
Anyway, this video below
I love Bernie! He' always been so football-smart. When he was commentating on the preseason broadcasts, they'd break the huddle and still be half way walking to the LOS and he'd say, This play has zero chance of success. And sure enough it'd be a run into the line for no gain.
And he's absolutely Sooo right. Don't put the rookie QB's into the games in September. Let the offense get sorted out. Let the OL get settled in and sorted out before putting in a rookie QB behind them.
And he said that he didn't study Gabriel. Nor did I, or hardly anyone else, related to the Browns upcoming 2025 draft. He just wasn't on my radar. After the pick, looking at his numbers, then, yeah, He has the stats. Me personally, I don't care for little QB's. But I wish him as much luck as Sanders.
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https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/45589819/browns-release-ogbo-okoronkwo-sign-kicker-andre-szmyt
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