For your Browns Monday morning reading
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For what it's worth, there's some local Browns media guys who still think Kenny Pickett might end up the starter over Flacco... I don't understand it, hell one of the guys saying it doesn't either (Jason Lloyd) but I guess we'll see.
I don't know man.
I see it like this. Some honest question;
Do you think Joe will be the long term starter for this team? I don't think so.
All the others you can say at minimum, maybe.
I do know Pickett gets some Pittsburgh bias against, but i don't hold that against him. I am not saying he will be the guy, but he in my mind is in the maybe category like Gabe and Sanders.
I don't know man.
I see it like this. Some honest question;
Do you think Joe will be the long term starter for this team? I don't think so.
All the others you can say at minimum, maybe.
I do know Pickett gets some Pittsburgh bias against, but i don't hold that against him. I am not saying he will be the guy, but he in my mind is in the maybe category like Gabe and Sanders.
I think the Browns set themselves up to get their franchise QB next draft, unless one of the three young guys somehow changes their minds.
But I would still start the season with Flacco as the starter. I can't see any vets on the team excited about Pickett/Gabriel/Sanders starting from the opener.
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For what it's worth, there's some local Browns media guys who still think Kenny Pickett might end up the starter over Flacco... I don't understand it, hell one of the guys saying it doesn't either (Jason Lloyd) but I guess we'll see.
I don't know man.
I see it like this. Some honest question;
Do you think Joe will be the long term starter for this team? I don't think so.
All the others you can say at minimum, maybe.
I do know Pickett gets some Pittsburgh bias against, but i don't hold that against him. I am not saying he will be the guy, but he in my mind is in the maybe category like Gabe and Sanders.
I don't know man.
I see it like this. Some honest question;
Do you think Joe will be the long term starter for this team? I don't think so.
All the others you can say at minimum, maybe.
I do know Pickett gets some Pittsburgh bias against, but i don't hold that against him. I am not saying he will be the guy, but he in my mind is in the maybe category like Gabe and Sanders.
Interesting question you backed pretty well.
My thought on that is I'm hoping Flacco is only here with the same idea/thought process the Browns once had with Gary Danielson. He was here so Kosar didn't have to start until week 7 in the rookie year. It also didn't hurt that both Mack and Byner rushed for over 1000 yards apiece to take even more pressure off the young QB. After that year, the Browns signed vets like Mike Pagel and Don Strock to back up Kosar and both played well when needed (unless I drank too much beer that day).
Pickett was a 1st round draft pick and he's young enough to warrant the opportunity to be here. I like what you said on that. Between him, Sanders and Gabriel - he's the only one somebody drafted in round 1. He also has experience and he did play for 1 smart offensive team in PA. Seems like that's a good enough competition to the extent 1 of them can replace Flacco some time this season and hopefully at least 1 of the other 2 impresses the Browns enough to stay.
Nothing about 3-14 was fun last year; and that didn't even get us the pick of the litter. More specifically, the Browns have to play even uglier football than that if you want the pick of the litter next year. Fair or not, a lot of the offensive coaching staff will get fired in the process and how has this worked for us since 1999? Or, since Jimmy bought the team? All that being the case, what guarantee is there that this QB class holds the answers to all our prayers?
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
I don't know man.
I see it like this. Some honest question;
Do you think Joe will be the long term starter for this team? I don't think so.
All the others you can say at minimum, maybe.
I do know Pickett gets some Pittsburgh bias against, but i don't hold that against him. I am not saying he will be the guy, but he in my mind is in the maybe category like Gabe and Sanders.
I think the Browns set themselves up to get their franchise QB next draft, unless one of the three young guys somehow changes their minds.
But I would still start the season with Flacco as the starter. I can't see any vets on the team excited about Pickett/Gabriel/Sanders starting from the opener.
I can't see any vets on the team excited about Pickett/Gabriel/Sanders starting from the opener.
Dionte Johnson said he thinks they'll roll with Picket.
Here's how I see it: Picket was brought in first. They traded DTR and a 5th round pick for him. That's not nothing.
Next Flacco was added because, well, he was hangin' around in the ether...they planned on drafting somebody like Gabriel, so...bring him in to round out the room.
THEN...the draft happened. And Sanders fell out of the ceiling and into the shopping cart. (...and that's why you go to his Pro-Day...because you never know what's going to happen)
They were only planning on 3 QB's. Pickett, Flacco and somebody like Gabriel.
So, if they keep 4, I see the batting order as: Pickett, Flacco, Gabriel, Sanders
If they keep 3, I see: Pickett, Gabriel, Sanders
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I can't see any vets on the team excited about Pickett/Gabriel/Sanders starting from the opener.
Dionte Johnson said he thinks they'll roll with Picket.
Here's how I see it: Picket was brought in first. They traded DTR and a 5th round pick for him. That's not nothing.
Next Flacco was added because, well, he was hangin' around in the ether...they planned on drafting somebody like Gabriel, so...bring him in to round out the room.
THEN...the draft happened. And Sanders fell out of the ceiling and into the shopping cart. (...and that's why you go to his Pro-Day...because you never know what's going to happen)
They were only planning on 3 QB's. Pickett, Flacco and somebody like Gabriel.
So, if they keep 4, I see the batting order as: Pickett, Flacco, Gabriel, Sanders
If they keep 3, I see: Pickett, Gabriel, Sanders
Dionte Johnson said he thinks they'll roll with Picket.
Here's how I see it: Picket was brought in first. They traded DTR and a 5th round pick for him. That's not nothing.
Next Flacco was added because, well, he was hangin' around in the ether...they planned on drafting somebody like Gabriel, so...bring him in to round out the room.
THEN...the draft happened. And Sanders fell out of the ceiling and into the shopping cart. (...and that's why you go to his Pro-Day...because you never know what's going to happen)
They were only planning on 3 QB's. Pickett, Flacco and somebody like Gabriel.
So, if they keep 4, I see the batting order as: Pickett, Flacco, Gabriel, Sanders
If they keep 3, I see: Pickett, Gabriel, Sanders
Ironically, or just coincidentally, it is a double negative. I see what you're saying and why you're saying it though.
Here's the thing, the only 1st round draft picks at the position here are Pickett and Flacco. One of those guys recently came here and earned himself the NFL Comeback Player of the Year Award; while his age (today) is at the other end of the tug-o-war rope. Pickett didn't get his 1st good offensive coaching in the NFL until he played for the real team in PA; so I see his battle with the 2 younger QBs. Doesn't mean I'm right. AND, I still go back to Andrew Berry snapping back at someone at a press conference with the following clarification "I DIDN'T DRAFT BAKER MAYFIELD." Why that? Ego is involved here which is why he holds onto a lot of his choices/picks longer than necessary. How much longer did he need to see Anthony Schwartz assuring us all that he wasn't ever going to be able to catch the ball any better than Edward Scissorhands? Somebody in our FO felt Dillon Gabriel was a much bigger priority than other QBs that were anywhere from 3-6" taller than him including: Shedeur Sanders 6'2", Tyler Shough 6'5", Will Howard 6'4", Kyle McCord 6'3", Kurtis Rourke 6'5", Riley Leonard 6'4", etc. If I had to guess, knowing what I know in a photo finish with ignorance, somebody is going to want to prove he is right about Gabriel. I'm not saying he's going to start immediately; but he's going to get excuses they won't be willing to give to Sanders in my best guess.
Speaking of guess, I think Flacco gives all decision makers a trust/comfort zone he's earned here to start the year off as the next Gary Danielson as the starting QB (until they feel it's time for 1 of their younger QBs to take over the starting job for the rest of the season). The question is will they need to wait as long as our 7th game to make the change? Or, would they prefer to do it after the Browns have played each of their AFC North opponents once? Because the Browns have two 1st round picks next year - I wouldn't be shocked if they went to one of the 3 younger QBs in within the 1st 4 games.
Last, but not least, I wouldn't be surprised if Pickett was here just for trade bait when the 1st QB of 32 games suffers a serious injury. Between now and then, I also wouldn't be shocked if he shows the Browns why he was a 1st round QB that finally found a more compatible offense, staff and group of receivers to work well with his skillset. We shall see...
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Dionte Johnson said he thinks they'll roll with Picket.
Here's how I see it: Picket was brought in first. They traded DTR and a 5th round pick for him. That's not nothing.
Next Flacco was added because, well, he was hangin' around in the ether...they planned on drafting somebody like Gabriel, so...bring him in to round out the room.
THEN...the draft happened. And Sanders fell out of the ceiling and into the shopping cart. (...and that's why you go to his Pro-Day...because you never know what's going to happen)
They were only planning on 3 QB's. Pickett, Flacco and somebody like Gabriel.
So, if they keep 4, I see the batting order as: Pickett, Flacco, Gabriel, Sanders
If they keep 3, I see: Pickett, Gabriel, Sanders
Ironically, or just coincidentally, it is a double negative. I see what you're saying and why you're saying it though.
Here's the thing, the only 1st round draft picks at the position here are Pickett and Flacco. One of those guys recently came here and earned himself the NFL Comeback Player of the Year Award; while his age (today) is at the other end of the tug-o-war rope. Pickett didn't get his 1st good offensive coaching in the NFL until he played for the real team in PA; so I see his battle with the 2 younger QBs. Doesn't mean I'm right. AND, I still go back to Andrew Berry snapping back at someone at a press conference with the following clarification "I DIDN'T DRAFT BAKER MAYFIELD." Why that? Ego is involved here which is why he holds onto a lot of his choices/picks longer than necessary. How much longer did he need to see Anthony Schwartz assuring us all that he wasn't ever going to be able to catch the ball any better than Edward Scissorhands? Somebody in our FO felt Dillon Gabriel was a much bigger priority than other QBs that were anywhere from 3-6" taller than him including: Shedeur Sanders 6'2", Tyler Shough 6'5", Will Howard 6'4", Kyle McCord 6'3", Kurtis Rourke 6'5", Riley Leonard 6'4", etc. If I had to guess, knowing what I know in a photo finish with ignorance, somebody is going to want to prove he is right about Gabriel. I'm not saying he's going to start immediately; but he's going to get excuses they won't be willing to give to Sanders in my best guess.
Speaking of guess, I think Flacco gives all decision makers a trust/comfort zone he's earned here to start the year off as the next Gary Danielson as the starting QB (until they feel it's time for 1 of their younger QBs to take over the starting job for the rest of the season). The question is will they need to wait as long as our 7th game to make the change? Or, would they prefer to do it after the Browns have played each of their AFC North opponents once? Because the Browns have two 1st round picks next year - I wouldn't be shocked if they went to one of the 3 younger QBs in within the 1st 4 games.
Last, but not least, I wouldn't be surprised if Pickett was here just for trade bait when the 1st QB of 32 games suffers a serious injury. Between now and then, I also wouldn't be shocked if he shows the Browns why he was a 1st round QB that finally found a more compatible offense, staff and group of receivers to work well with his skillset. We shall see...
it is a double negative
...which equals a positive. Turning DTR into Pickett is an upgrade. (though I'm not much of a Pickett fan)
BEING A BROWNS FAN IS A TEST TO SEE HOW MUCH YOU CAN TAKE -
I can't see any vets on the team excited about Pickett/Gabriel/Sanders starting from the opener.
Dionte Johnson said he thinks they'll roll with Picket.
Here's how I see it: Picket was brought in first. They traded DTR and a 5th round pick for him. That's not nothing.
Next Flacco was added because, well, he was hangin' around in the ether...they planned on drafting somebody like Gabriel, so...bring him in to round out the room.
THEN...the draft happened. And Sanders fell out of the ceiling and into the shopping cart. (...and that's why you go to his Pro-Day...because you never know what's going to happen)
They were only planning on 3 QB's. Pickett, Flacco and somebody like Gabriel.
So, if they keep 4, I see the batting order as: Pickett, Flacco, Gabriel, Sanders
If they keep 3, I see: Pickett, Gabriel, Sanders
Dionte Johnson said he thinks they'll roll with Picket.
...and here's something else he said regarding not liking the cold:
“It was cold. So I’m on the sideline, just standing there, just going to the heater, back and forth, just waiting to hear my name called. So end of third [quarter], going into the fourth over there, they’re like, ‘Tae, we need you.’ I’m like, ‘Nah.’ To me, I’m thinking, ‘I don’t think it’s a good idea,’ because I was thinking about, like, my legs. I don’t want to go out there and put bad stuff on film.”
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...which equals a positive. Turning DTR into Pickett is an upgrade. (though I'm not much of a Pickett fan)
Good points! Although I'm willing to become a Pickett fan if this is the place he starts to show people why he was a 1st round talent.
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I'm willing to become a Pickett if this is the place he starts to show people why he was a 1st round talent.
Back at that draft, he was not thought of as much of a 1st round pick QB. It was a weak QB year. Which was why we made the Watson deal in order to move off of Baker.
Pickett did say that his move to Philly taught him what a good organization was. Top to bottom. Indicating that Pittsburgh was not of that caliber.
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I'm willing to become a Pickett if this is the place he starts to show people why he was a 1st round talent.
Back at that draft, he was not thought of as much of a 1st round pick QB. It was a weak QB year. Which was why we made the Watson deal in order to move off of Baker.
Pickett did say that his move to Philly taught him what a good organization was. Top to bottom. Indicating that Pittsburgh was not of that caliber.
Back at that draft, he was not thought of as much of a 1st round pick QB. It was a weak QB year. Which was why we made the Watson deal in order to move off of Baker.
Pickett did say that his move to Philly taught him what a good organization was. Top to bottom. Indicating that Pittsburgh was not of that caliber.
True. Here's a pretty damn good senior year at Pitt though fwiw:
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I don't know man.
I see it like this. Some honest question;
Do you think Joe will be the long term starter for this team? I don't think so.
All the others you can say at minimum, maybe.
I do know Pickett gets some Pittsburgh bias against, but i don't hold that against him. I am not saying he will be the guy, but he in my mind is in the maybe category like Gabe and Sanders.
Interesting question you backed pretty well.
My thought on that is I'm hoping Flacco is only here with the same idea/thought process the Browns once had with Gary Danielson. He was here so Kosar didn't have to start until week 7 in the rookie year. It also didn't hurt that both Mack and Byner rushed for over 1000 yards apiece to take even more pressure off the young QB. After that year, the Browns signed vets like Mike Pagel and Don Strock to back up Kosar and both played well when needed (unless I drank too much beer that day).
Pickett was a 1st round draft pick and he's young enough to warrant the opportunity to be here. I like what you said on that. Between him, Sanders and Gabriel - he's the only one somebody drafted in round 1. He also has experience and he did play for 1 smart offensive team in PA. Seems like that's a good enough competition to the extent 1 of them can replace Flacco some time this season and hopefully at least 1 of the other 2 impresses the Browns enough to stay.
Nothing about 3-14 was fun last year; and that didn't even get us the pick of the litter. More specifically, the Browns have to play even uglier football than that if you want the pick of the litter next year. Fair or not, a lot of the offensive coaching staff will get fired in the process and how has this worked for us since 1999? Or, since Jimmy bought the team? All that being the case, what guarantee is there that this QB class holds the answers to all our prayers?
Interesting question you backed pretty well.
My thought on that is I'm hoping Flacco is only here with the same idea/thought process the Browns once had with Gary Danielson. He was here so Kosar didn't have to start until week 7 in the rookie year. It also didn't hurt that both Mack and Byner rushed for over 1000 yards apiece to take even more pressure off the young QB. After that year, the Browns signed vets like Mike Pagel and Don Strock to back up Kosar and both played well when needed (unless I drank too much beer that day).
Pickett was a 1st round draft pick and he's young enough to warrant the opportunity to be here. I like what you said on that. Between him, Sanders and Gabriel - he's the only one somebody drafted in round 1. He also has experience and he did play for 1 smart offensive team in PA. Seems like that's a good enough competition to the extent 1 of them can replace Flacco some time this season and hopefully at least 1 of the other 2 impresses the Browns enough to stay.
Nothing about 3-14 was fun last year; and that didn't even get us the pick of the litter. More specifically, the Browns have to play even uglier football than that if you want the pick of the litter next year. Fair or not, a lot of the offensive coaching staff will get fired in the process and how has this worked for us since 1999? Or, since Jimmy bought the team? All that being the case, what guarantee is there that this QB class holds the answers to all our prayers?
Good points on the running game with Kosar as a rook. Assuming guys stay healthy, we may not have two 1000 yard rushers this season but I think we will average similar YPG totals on the ground this year. It's hard to predict how those numbers spread out...Judkins around 1200, Sampson around 600 and Ford for maybe 400?
Add in that it is a different game now. I don't know how many combined rushing yards Kosar and Danielson might have had, but it couldn't be much. I assume it was some positive number. Flacco isn't going to do anything on the ground, but both Pickett and Gabriel can actually run with some authority and Sanders can at least move.
I don't think last seasons O line was indicative of what the line can do in the running game. As for offensive coaches being let go, I am sure we will see some change, but I think the team is high on Rees. I don't think he will go anywhere unless we are historically bad and it can be mostly attributed to him. Some of the other O coaches are up for evaluation and discussion.
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Interesting question you backed pretty well.
My thought on that is I'm hoping Flacco is only here with the same idea/thought process the Browns once had with Gary Danielson. He was here so Kosar didn't have to start until week 7 in the rookie year. It also didn't hurt that both Mack and Byner rushed for over 1000 yards apiece to take even more pressure off the young QB. After that year, the Browns signed vets like Mike Pagel and Don Strock to back up Kosar and both played well when needed (unless I drank too much beer that day).
Pickett was a 1st round draft pick and he's young enough to warrant the opportunity to be here. I like what you said on that. Between him, Sanders and Gabriel - he's the only one somebody drafted in round 1. He also has experience and he did play for 1 smart offensive team in PA. Seems like that's a good enough competition to the extent 1 of them can replace Flacco some time this season and hopefully at least 1 of the other 2 impresses the Browns enough to stay.
Nothing about 3-14 was fun last year; and that didn't even get us the pick of the litter. More specifically, the Browns have to play even uglier football than that if you want the pick of the litter next year. Fair or not, a lot of the offensive coaching staff will get fired in the process and how has this worked for us since 1999? Or, since Jimmy bought the team? All that being the case, what guarantee is there that this QB class holds the answers to all our prayers?
Good points on the running game with Kosar as a rook. Assuming guys stay healthy, we may not have two 1000 yard rushers this season but I think we will average similar YPG totals on the ground this year. It's hard to predict how those numbers spread out...Judkins around 1200, Sampson around 600 and Ford for maybe 400?
Add in that it is a different game now. I don't know how many combined rushing yards Kosar and Danielson might have had, but it couldn't be much. I assume it was some positive number. Flacco isn't going to do anything on the ground, but both Pickett and Gabriel can actually run with some authority and Sanders can at least move.
I don't think last seasons O line was indicative of what the line can do in the running game. As for offensive coaches being let go, I am sure we will see some change, but I think the team is high on Rees. I don't think he will go anywhere unless we are historically bad and it can be mostly attributed to him. Some of the other O coaches are up for evaluation and discussion.
Good points on the running game with Kosar as a rook. Assuming guys stay healthy, we may not have two 1000 yard rushers this season but I think we will average similar YPG totals on the ground this year. It's hard to predict how those numbers spread out...Judkins around 1200, Sampson around 600 and Ford for maybe 400?
Add in that it is a different game now. I don't know how many combined rushing yards Kosar and Danielson might have had, but it couldn't be much. I assume it was some positive number. Flacco isn't going to do anything on the ground, but both Pickett and Gabriel can actually run with some authority and Sanders can at least move.
I don't think last seasons O line was indicative of what the line can do in the running game. As for offensive coaches being let go, I am sure we will see some change, but I think the team is high on Rees. I don't think he will go anywhere unless we are historically bad and it can be mostly attributed to him. Some of the other O coaches are up for evaluation and discussion.
It wouldn't surprise me to see Ford with more receiving yards than rushing. I sort of expect it.
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Good points on the running game with Kosar as a rook. Assuming guys stay healthy, we may not have two 1000 yard rushers this season but I think we will average similar YPG totals on the ground this year. It's hard to predict how those numbers spread out...Judkins around 1200, Sampson around 600 and Ford for maybe 400?
Add in that it is a different game now. I don't know how many combined rushing yards Kosar and Danielson might have had, but it couldn't be much. I assume it was some positive number. Flacco isn't going to do anything on the ground, but both Pickett and Gabriel can actually run with some authority and Sanders can at least move.
I don't think last seasons O line was indicative of what the line can do in the running game. As for offensive coaches being let go, I am sure we will see some change, but I think the team is high on Rees. I don't think he will go anywhere unless we are historically bad and it can be mostly attributed to him. Some of the other O coaches are up for evaluation and discussion.
It wouldn't surprise me to see Ford with more receiving yards than rushing. I sort of expect it.
I wouldn't surprise me to see Ford with more receiving yards than rushing. I sort of expect it.
Probably Sampson as well.
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...which equals a positive. Turning DTR into Pickett is an upgrade. (though I'm not much of a Pickett fan)
UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU!! You pulled the Math Card on him!! Unfair low blow.?
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With Sampson being drafted to the same team as Judkins, are any of you worried there’s some weird hair envy shit going on?
Sampson has good hair, don’t get me wrong, but if you compare it to Judkin’s hair game? That’s some tough shit to compete with.
And you know, Sampson, hair, bible, that whole thing. I think this is going to motivate Sampson.
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Judkins still hasn't signed yet, btw.
Judkins still hasn't signed yet, btw.
Yes. That is a little troubling isn't it. From what I've read, the guy picked right before him (35th) isn't signed either. A theory is that Judkins is waiting to see if that guy gets guaranteed money, or an airplane, or somethin'.
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