For your Browns Monday morning reading
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I can't see any vets on the team excited about Pickett/Gabriel/Sanders starting from the opener.
Dionte Johnson said he thinks they'll roll with Picket.
Here's how I see it: Picket was brought in first. They traded DTR and a 5th round pick for him. That's not nothing.
Next Flacco was added because, well, he was hangin' around in the ether...they planned on drafting somebody like Gabriel, so...bring him in to round out the room.
THEN...the draft happened. And Sanders fell out of the ceiling and into the shopping cart. (...and that's why you go to his Pro-Day...because you never know what's going to happen)
They were only planning on 3 QB's. Pickett, Flacco and somebody like Gabriel.
So, if they keep 4, I see the batting order as: Pickett, Flacco, Gabriel, Sanders
If they keep 3, I see: Pickett, Gabriel, Sanders
Dionte Johnson said he thinks they'll roll with Picket.
...and here's something else he said regarding not liking the cold:
“It was cold. So I’m on the sideline, just standing there, just going to the heater, back and forth, just waiting to hear my name called. So end of third [quarter], going into the fourth over there, they’re like, ‘Tae, we need you.’ I’m like, ‘Nah.’ To me, I’m thinking, ‘I don’t think it’s a good idea,’ because I was thinking about, like, my legs. I don’t want to go out there and put bad stuff on film.”
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...which equals a positive. Turning DTR into Pickett is an upgrade. (though I'm not much of a Pickett fan)
Good points! Although I'm willing to become a Pickett fan if this is the place he starts to show people why he was a 1st round talent.
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I'm willing to become a Pickett if this is the place he starts to show people why he was a 1st round talent.
Back at that draft, he was not thought of as much of a 1st round pick QB. It was a weak QB year. Which was why we made the Watson deal in order to move off of Baker.
Pickett did say that his move to Philly taught him what a good organization was. Top to bottom. Indicating that Pittsburgh was not of that caliber.
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I'm willing to become a Pickett if this is the place he starts to show people why he was a 1st round talent.
Back at that draft, he was not thought of as much of a 1st round pick QB. It was a weak QB year. Which was why we made the Watson deal in order to move off of Baker.
Pickett did say that his move to Philly taught him what a good organization was. Top to bottom. Indicating that Pittsburgh was not of that caliber.
Back at that draft, he was not thought of as much of a 1st round pick QB. It was a weak QB year. Which was why we made the Watson deal in order to move off of Baker.
Pickett did say that his move to Philly taught him what a good organization was. Top to bottom. Indicating that Pittsburgh was not of that caliber.
True. Here's a pretty damn good senior year at Pitt though fwiw:
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I don't know man.
I see it like this. Some honest question;
Do you think Joe will be the long term starter for this team? I don't think so.
All the others you can say at minimum, maybe.
I do know Pickett gets some Pittsburgh bias against, but i don't hold that against him. I am not saying he will be the guy, but he in my mind is in the maybe category like Gabe and Sanders.
Interesting question you backed pretty well.
My thought on that is I'm hoping Flacco is only here with the same idea/thought process the Browns once had with Gary Danielson. He was here so Kosar didn't have to start until week 7 in the rookie year. It also didn't hurt that both Mack and Byner rushed for over 1000 yards apiece to take even more pressure off the young QB. After that year, the Browns signed vets like Mike Pagel and Don Strock to back up Kosar and both played well when needed (unless I drank too much beer that day).
Pickett was a 1st round draft pick and he's young enough to warrant the opportunity to be here. I like what you said on that. Between him, Sanders and Gabriel - he's the only one somebody drafted in round 1. He also has experience and he did play for 1 smart offensive team in PA. Seems like that's a good enough competition to the extent 1 of them can replace Flacco some time this season and hopefully at least 1 of the other 2 impresses the Browns enough to stay.
Nothing about 3-14 was fun last year; and that didn't even get us the pick of the litter. More specifically, the Browns have to play even uglier football than that if you want the pick of the litter next year. Fair or not, a lot of the offensive coaching staff will get fired in the process and how has this worked for us since 1999? Or, since Jimmy bought the team? All that being the case, what guarantee is there that this QB class holds the answers to all our prayers?
Interesting question you backed pretty well.
My thought on that is I'm hoping Flacco is only here with the same idea/thought process the Browns once had with Gary Danielson. He was here so Kosar didn't have to start until week 7 in the rookie year. It also didn't hurt that both Mack and Byner rushed for over 1000 yards apiece to take even more pressure off the young QB. After that year, the Browns signed vets like Mike Pagel and Don Strock to back up Kosar and both played well when needed (unless I drank too much beer that day).
Pickett was a 1st round draft pick and he's young enough to warrant the opportunity to be here. I like what you said on that. Between him, Sanders and Gabriel - he's the only one somebody drafted in round 1. He also has experience and he did play for 1 smart offensive team in PA. Seems like that's a good enough competition to the extent 1 of them can replace Flacco some time this season and hopefully at least 1 of the other 2 impresses the Browns enough to stay.
Nothing about 3-14 was fun last year; and that didn't even get us the pick of the litter. More specifically, the Browns have to play even uglier football than that if you want the pick of the litter next year. Fair or not, a lot of the offensive coaching staff will get fired in the process and how has this worked for us since 1999? Or, since Jimmy bought the team? All that being the case, what guarantee is there that this QB class holds the answers to all our prayers?
Good points on the running game with Kosar as a rook. Assuming guys stay healthy, we may not have two 1000 yard rushers this season but I think we will average similar YPG totals on the ground this year. It's hard to predict how those numbers spread out...Judkins around 1200, Sampson around 600 and Ford for maybe 400?
Add in that it is a different game now. I don't know how many combined rushing yards Kosar and Danielson might have had, but it couldn't be much. I assume it was some positive number. Flacco isn't going to do anything on the ground, but both Pickett and Gabriel can actually run with some authority and Sanders can at least move.
I don't think last seasons O line was indicative of what the line can do in the running game. As for offensive coaches being let go, I am sure we will see some change, but I think the team is high on Rees. I don't think he will go anywhere unless we are historically bad and it can be mostly attributed to him. Some of the other O coaches are up for evaluation and discussion.
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Interesting question you backed pretty well.
My thought on that is I'm hoping Flacco is only here with the same idea/thought process the Browns once had with Gary Danielson. He was here so Kosar didn't have to start until week 7 in the rookie year. It also didn't hurt that both Mack and Byner rushed for over 1000 yards apiece to take even more pressure off the young QB. After that year, the Browns signed vets like Mike Pagel and Don Strock to back up Kosar and both played well when needed (unless I drank too much beer that day).
Pickett was a 1st round draft pick and he's young enough to warrant the opportunity to be here. I like what you said on that. Between him, Sanders and Gabriel - he's the only one somebody drafted in round 1. He also has experience and he did play for 1 smart offensive team in PA. Seems like that's a good enough competition to the extent 1 of them can replace Flacco some time this season and hopefully at least 1 of the other 2 impresses the Browns enough to stay.
Nothing about 3-14 was fun last year; and that didn't even get us the pick of the litter. More specifically, the Browns have to play even uglier football than that if you want the pick of the litter next year. Fair or not, a lot of the offensive coaching staff will get fired in the process and how has this worked for us since 1999? Or, since Jimmy bought the team? All that being the case, what guarantee is there that this QB class holds the answers to all our prayers?
Good points on the running game with Kosar as a rook. Assuming guys stay healthy, we may not have two 1000 yard rushers this season but I think we will average similar YPG totals on the ground this year. It's hard to predict how those numbers spread out...Judkins around 1200, Sampson around 600 and Ford for maybe 400?
Add in that it is a different game now. I don't know how many combined rushing yards Kosar and Danielson might have had, but it couldn't be much. I assume it was some positive number. Flacco isn't going to do anything on the ground, but both Pickett and Gabriel can actually run with some authority and Sanders can at least move.
I don't think last seasons O line was indicative of what the line can do in the running game. As for offensive coaches being let go, I am sure we will see some change, but I think the team is high on Rees. I don't think he will go anywhere unless we are historically bad and it can be mostly attributed to him. Some of the other O coaches are up for evaluation and discussion.
Good points on the running game with Kosar as a rook. Assuming guys stay healthy, we may not have two 1000 yard rushers this season but I think we will average similar YPG totals on the ground this year. It's hard to predict how those numbers spread out...Judkins around 1200, Sampson around 600 and Ford for maybe 400?
Add in that it is a different game now. I don't know how many combined rushing yards Kosar and Danielson might have had, but it couldn't be much. I assume it was some positive number. Flacco isn't going to do anything on the ground, but both Pickett and Gabriel can actually run with some authority and Sanders can at least move.
I don't think last seasons O line was indicative of what the line can do in the running game. As for offensive coaches being let go, I am sure we will see some change, but I think the team is high on Rees. I don't think he will go anywhere unless we are historically bad and it can be mostly attributed to him. Some of the other O coaches are up for evaluation and discussion.
It wouldn't surprise me to see Ford with more receiving yards than rushing. I sort of expect it.
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Good points on the running game with Kosar as a rook. Assuming guys stay healthy, we may not have two 1000 yard rushers this season but I think we will average similar YPG totals on the ground this year. It's hard to predict how those numbers spread out...Judkins around 1200, Sampson around 600 and Ford for maybe 400?
Add in that it is a different game now. I don't know how many combined rushing yards Kosar and Danielson might have had, but it couldn't be much. I assume it was some positive number. Flacco isn't going to do anything on the ground, but both Pickett and Gabriel can actually run with some authority and Sanders can at least move.
I don't think last seasons O line was indicative of what the line can do in the running game. As for offensive coaches being let go, I am sure we will see some change, but I think the team is high on Rees. I don't think he will go anywhere unless we are historically bad and it can be mostly attributed to him. Some of the other O coaches are up for evaluation and discussion.
It wouldn't surprise me to see Ford with more receiving yards than rushing. I sort of expect it.
I wouldn't surprise me to see Ford with more receiving yards than rushing. I sort of expect it.
Probably Sampson as well.
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...which equals a positive. Turning DTR into Pickett is an upgrade. (though I'm not much of a Pickett fan)
UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU!! You pulled the Math Card on him!! Unfair low blow.?
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With Sampson being drafted to the same team as Judkins, are any of you worried there’s some weird hair envy shit going on?
Sampson has good hair, don’t get me wrong, but if you compare it to Judkin’s hair game? That’s some tough shit to compete with.
And you know, Sampson, hair, bible, that whole thing. I think this is going to motivate Sampson.
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Judkins still hasn't signed yet, btw.
Judkins still hasn't signed yet, btw.
Yes. That is a little troubling isn't it. From what I've read, the guy picked right before him (35th) isn't signed either. A theory is that Judkins is waiting to see if that guy gets guaranteed money, or an airplane, or somethin'.
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With Sampson being drafted to the same team as Judkins, are any of you worried there’s some weird hair envy shit going on?
Sampson has good hair, don’t get me wrong, but if you compare it to Judkin’s hair game? That’s some tough shit to compete with.
And you know, Sampson, hair, bible, that whole thing. I think this is going to motivate Sampson.
With Sampson being drafted to the same team as Judkins, are any of you worried there’s some weird hair envy shit going on?
Sampson has good hair, don’t get me wrong, but if you compare it to Judkin’s hair game? That’s some tough shit to compete with.
And you know, Sampson, hair, bible, that whole thing. I think this is going to motivate Sampson.
Thank God they gotta wear helmets! Sampson's hair looks like the fur on my dad's dumb poodle that used to lift his leg on the electric socket. Meanwhile, Judkins looks like he woke up on the wrong end of a fraternity or football camp prank.
Truth be told, it duddn't really matter what their hair looks like as long as they have a solid football IQ inside their domes.
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Good points on the running game with Kosar as a rook. Assuming guys stay healthy, we may not have two 1000 yard rushers this season but I think we will average similar YPG totals on the ground this year. It's hard to predict how those numbers spread out...Judkins around 1200, Sampson around 600 and Ford for maybe 400?
Add in that it is a different game now. I don't know how many combined rushing yards Kosar and Danielson might have had, but it couldn't be much. I assume it was some positive number. Flacco isn't going to do anything on the ground, but both Pickett and Gabriel can actually run with some authority and Sanders can at least move.
I don't think last seasons O line was indicative of what the line can do in the running game. As for offensive coaches being let go, I am sure we will see some change, but I think the team is high on Rees. I don't think he will go anywhere unless we are historically bad and it can be mostly attributed to him. Some of the other O coaches are up for evaluation and discussion.
It wouldn't surprise me to see Ford with more receiving yards than rushing. I sort of expect it.
It wouldn't surprise me to see Ford with more receiving yards than rushing. I sort of expect it.
So do I. I put Ford with a ? knowing he was probably going to be in more of a pass catching role, but he will end up in the 2nd back role at points during the season even under the best circumstances.
400 yards would be something like 23 yards a game on average. If he gets much more he will have to breaks off several long runs on his limited chances or he will have to play a lot more as the 2nd back than we hope.
Ford is pretty good once he is in some space. His problem is he gets gummed up getting through the line untouched. Putting him as a 3rd down back should get him in to better positions to show his stuff.
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Probably Sampson as well.
I'd say maybe on that. While Judkins will get the majority of carries between the two, I don't see him given the rock 300 times. Sampson is still going to get plenty of carries. I see a split somewhere along the lines of 60/40...maybe not even that great.
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