People Were Happy When Mangini Was Hired
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Better watch the karma and that goes to those New York biased sportcasters who constantly slam Mangini 3 games into the job.
Reversal can be a bitch. You better hope the Browns continue to struggle, because if they don't as bad..................
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@inspecta said:
I was NOT happy about the Palmer hiring. I was happy about Butch, and I was happy about RAC. I was indifferent to savage.Maybe this is good, I hated the Palmer hire. I hated the Davis hire. I liked the RAC hire (he won 10!) and I loved the Mangini hire. Maybe we're going on the right track. *hope hope hope hope hope*
FLIP THIS ROSTER MANGINI!!!!!
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I still like Mangini. He hasn't made the best choices in every step, but at least he's not running a daycare like Romeo. Remember Romeo had Mo Carthon ruining every offensive drive, and Mangini has Daboll. Give it some time to sort things out.
The players will come around eventually. We're an awful team, but there is hope on the horizon even if we go 0-16.
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I didn't like the Mangini hiring and I still don't. The Browns seemed to settle for mediocrity when they signed him.
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@inspecta said:
I only liked the pick in regards to the fact that Lerner finally hired somebody with previous head coaching experience.However the sheen wore off quite a bit after that, and quickly.
I loathe the man now...
Here's a quick fact....in the browns history....we've hired only one other coach with prior HC experience....ONE!
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Bernie is a true student of the game and I love to hear him call the games in preseason.
Even now when you hear him in interviews he still has such a passion for the game that is infectious.
He would make a great QB coach and good mentor to these young guys.
If Bernie's ego would allow him to work as an assistant head coach, I'd hire him as the QB coach in a heartbeat.
The guy's command of the game is rare. Exceedingly rare.
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Worst Coaching Hire EVER? Maybe.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writ.../09/29/mangini/
And of course here's a priceless quote about Mangini's decision to opt for the field goal down 27 with 10 minutes left to play
http://www.ohio.com/sports/browns/62243297.html
Anderson took over in the second half and threw a poor interception, then guided a drive that ended at the Ravens' 12-yard line.
Coach Eric Mangini chose to kick a field goal, down 27-0. Shades of the outcry when Romeo Crennel kicked a field goal in the opener a year ago against Dallas, down 28-7.
Mangini used this reasoning for the decision: There were 10 or 12 minutes left, and three touchdowns and three 2-point conversions ties the game.
He forgot to mention the part about monkeys flying in from Oz to carry away Ray Lewis.
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@inspecta said:
I only liked the pick in regards to the fact that Lerner finally hired somebody with previous head coaching experience.However the sheen wore off quite a bit after that, and quickly.
I loathe the man now...
Here's a quick fact....in the browns history....we've hired only one other coach with prior HC experience....ONE!
Here's a quick fact....in the browns history....we've hired only one other coach with prior HC experience....ONE!
HC Nick Skorich fired from the Eagles in 1961 then Blanton Collier's DC til he became HC 1971-74. Had a few winning seasons but faded due to retiring players like Leroy Kelly and Gary Collins. But drafted some of the next best up and comers like Doug Dieken , Greg Pruit and a 13th rounder Brian Sipe.
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I don't want to say I told you so, but I recall numerous post explaining why Mangini would be a huge mistake and boy ol boy look at what Eric Mangini has done to this team.
Randy Lerner wants this franchise to be like the New England Patriots so much that he believes if he keeps hiring peolple that worked for Bill B. they will be like New England, Weiss, Crennel and Mangini all have flopped once they left New England.
Mangini allowed to pick his buddy as GM a terrible mistake....no difference than Butch Davis having full control
Trading out of the #5 pick to trade down 3 times to draft a center......Another DUMB MOVE
Drafting 2 wide receivers in rouns 2 and then attempting to make a starter out of a specials team guy Cribbs....Stuipid Move and wasted pick
Thats just the beginning, I could go on.
People forget to look at the damage he did in New York......same boring offense with no imagination
I can't believe a guy posted that Mangini is responsible for the Jets playing good this season
Eric Mangini is all about power and if continues to coach our Cleveland Browns he will destroy this franchise
I don't want to say I told you so, but I recall numerous post explaining why Mangini would be a huge mistake and boy ol boy look at what Eric Mangini has done to this team.
Randy Lerner wants this franchise to be like the New England Patriots so much that he believes if he keeps hiring peolple that worked for Bill B. they will be like New England, Weiss, Crennel and Mangini all have flopped once they left New England.
Mangini allowed to pick his buddy as GM a terrible mistake....no difference than Butch Davis having full control
Trading out of the #5 pick to trade down 3 times to draft a center......Another DUMB MOVE
Drafting 2 wide receivers in rouns 2 and then attempting to make a starter out of a specials team guy Cribbs....Stuipid Move and wasted pick
Thats just the beginning, I could go on.
People forget to look at the damage he did in New York......same boring offense with no imagination
I can't believe a guy posted that Mangini is responsible for the Jets playing good this season
Eric Mangini is all about power and if continues to coach our Cleveland Browns he will destroy this franchise
Man I really disagree ...here is the evidence..
Mangini's draft picks during his 3 years in NY
1 Vernon Gholston LB Ohio State
1 30 Dustin Keller TE Purdue
4 113 Dwight Lowery CB San Jose State
5 162 Erik Ainge QB Tennessee
6 171 Marcus Henry WR Kansas
7 211 Nate Garner T Arkansas
2007 - New York Jets
Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 14 Darrelle Revis CB Pittsburgh
2 47 David Harris ILB Michigan
6 177 Jacob Bender T Nicholls State
7 235 Chansi Stuckey WR Clemson
2006 - New York Jets
Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 4 D'Brickashaw Ferguson T Virginia
1 29 Nick Mangold C Ohio State
2 49 Kellen Clemens QB Oregon
3 76 Anthony Schlegel LB Ohio State
3 97 Eric Smith DB Michigan State
4 103 Brad Smith WR Missouri
4 117 Leon Washington RB Florida State
5 150 Jason Pociask TE Wisconsin
6 189 Drew Coleman CB Texas Christian
7 220 Titus Adams DT Nebraska
Sorry but 3 games is not enough time to evaluate a draft class or call these mistakes. He had to keep a lot of crappy players just to make a roster or we would have had only 4 or 5 guys in training camp. This is bigger than just this season. Everyone is looking for a quick fix. Change the qb, change the coach, change the gm .... That is not the answer.. We do not have much talent on this team...that is not the fault of mangini and Kokonis.. In FOUR YEARS you can say that..but not yet.
Mangini drafted some excellent players in ny in the 3 years there.. I am not saying all his picks were dead on..no team does that...but look at the 3 drafts above while he was there..there are MORE than a few guys on the jets right now from each draft that contribute or start and a few are rising stars , he has some real solid late round DB picks also.. Our draft have not been nearly as good as the 3 years noted above.. . Give it time.. it's bigger than just this season.
Mangini cannot ruin an already ruined team he inherited. He can make it better given time.
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I don't want to say I told you so, but I recall numerous post explaining why Mangini would be a huge mistake and boy ol boy look at what Eric Mangini has done to this team.
Randy Lerner wants this franchise to be like the New England Patriots so much that he believes if he keeps hiring peolple that worked for Bill B. they will be like New England, Weiss, Crennel and Mangini all have flopped once they left New England.
Mangini allowed to pick his buddy as GM a terrible mistake....no difference than Butch Davis having full control
Trading out of the #5 pick to trade down 3 times to draft a center......Another DUMB MOVE
Drafting 2 wide receivers in rouns 2 and then attempting to make a starter out of a specials team guy Cribbs....Stuipid Move and wasted pick
Thats just the beginning, I could go on.
People forget to look at the damage he did in New York......same boring offense with no imagination
I can't believe a guy posted that Mangini is responsible for the Jets playing good this season
Eric Mangini is all about power and if continues to coach our Cleveland Browns he will destroy this franchise
Man I really disagree ...here is the evidence..
Mangini's draft picks during his 3 years in NY
1 Vernon Gholston LB Ohio State
1 30 Dustin Keller TE Purdue
4 113 Dwight Lowery CB San Jose State
5 162 Erik Ainge QB Tennessee
6 171 Marcus Henry WR Kansas
7 211 Nate Garner T Arkansas
2007 - New York Jets
Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 14 Darrelle Revis CB Pittsburgh
2 47 David Harris ILB Michigan
6 177 Jacob Bender T Nicholls State
7 235 Chansi Stuckey WR Clemson
2006 - New York Jets
Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 4 D'Brickashaw Ferguson T Virginia
1 29 Nick Mangold C Ohio State
2 49 Kellen Clemens QB Oregon
3 76 Anthony Schlegel LB Ohio State
3 97 Eric Smith DB Michigan State
4 103 Brad Smith WR Missouri
4 117 Leon Washington RB Florida State
5 150 Jason Pociask TE Wisconsin
6 189 Drew Coleman CB Texas Christian
7 220 Titus Adams DT Nebraska
Sorry but 3 games is not enough time to evaluate a draft class or call these mistakes. He had to keep a lot of crappy players just to make a roster or we would have had only 4 or 5 guys in training camp. This is bigger than just this season. Everyone is looking for a quick fix. Change the qb, change the coach, change the gm .... That is not the answer.. We do not have much talent on this team...that is not the fault of mangini and Kokonis.. In FOUR YEARS you can say that..but not yet.
Mangini drafted some excellent players in ny in the 3 years there.. I am not saying all his picks were dead on..no team does that...but look at the 3 drafts above while he was there..there are MORE than a few guys on the jets right now from each draft that contribute or start and a few are rising stars , he has some real solid late round DB picks also.. Our draft have not been nearly as good as the 3 years noted above.. . Give it time.. it's bigger than just this season.
Mangini cannot ruin an already ruined team he inherited. He can make it better given time.
Man I really disagree ...here is the evidence..
Mangini's draft picks during his 3 years in NY
1 Vernon Gholston LB Ohio State
1 30 Dustin Keller TE Purdue
4 113 Dwight Lowery CB San Jose State
5 162 Erik Ainge QB Tennessee
6 171 Marcus Henry WR Kansas
7 211 Nate Garner T Arkansas
2007 - New York Jets
Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 14 Darrelle Revis CB Pittsburgh
2 47 David Harris ILB Michigan
6 177 Jacob Bender T Nicholls State
7 235 Chansi Stuckey WR Clemson
2006 - New York Jets
Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 4 D'Brickashaw Ferguson T Virginia
1 29 Nick Mangold C Ohio State
2 49 Kellen Clemens QB Oregon
3 76 Anthony Schlegel LB Ohio State
3 97 Eric Smith DB Michigan State
4 103 Brad Smith WR Missouri
4 117 Leon Washington RB Florida State
5 150 Jason Pociask TE Wisconsin
6 189 Drew Coleman CB Texas Christian
7 220 Titus Adams DT Nebraska
Sorry but 3 games is not enough time to evaluate a draft class or call these mistakes. He had to keep a lot of crappy players just to make a roster or we would have had only 4 or 5 guys in training camp. This is bigger than just this season. Everyone is looking for a quick fix. Change the qb, change the coach, change the gm .... That is not the answer.. We do not have much talent on this team...that is not the fault of mangini and Kokonis.. In FOUR YEARS you can say that..but not yet.
Mangini drafted some excellent players in ny in the 3 years there.. I am not saying all his picks were dead on..no team does that...but look at the 3 drafts above while he was there..there are MORE than a few guys on the jets right now from each draft that contribute or start and a few are rising stars , he has some real solid late round DB picks also.. Our draft have not been nearly as good as the 3 years noted above.. . Give it time.. it's bigger than just this season.
Mangini cannot ruin an already ruined team he inherited. He can make it better given time.
I don't buy it. In New York there is a very good team of talent evaluators in Terry Bradway (long time scout and GM), Joey Clinkscales (long time respected scout, Parcells interviewed him for the GM job in Miami), and Mike Tannenbaum (GM who worked with Parcells, Belli, etc). Mangini has never held any sort of scouting position and had no input into drafting at New England, and his input in NY was limited. I feel you are going to be sadly disappointed if you believe Mangini is going to suddenly become some sort of draft and talent guru. Not going to happen. Not to mention, since Eric has left NY, insiders have stated that he was the driving force behind the drafting of Vernon Gholston who has shown nothing to date. The before mentioned team wanted to draft Jerod Mayo but Mangini didn't want to leave Gholston on the board for Belichick. In that case, Tannenbaum let his HC get what he wanted. Sour grapes? Maybe, but it goes right in line with Mangini's fanaticism with anything New England. The other pick attributed solely to Mangini was Anthony Schlegel; he thought he would be the next Teddy Bruschi, ugh... Not to mention that many of the big names above (Sanchez, Revis, Harris, Keller, Washington) were all delivered via trades orchestrated by Tannenbaum, not Mangini.
In my opinion you are giving Mangini way too much credit for the talent in NY. The coaching decisions made by this man directly lost him many games in NY, and his eye for talent is not what you think. For your sake I hope I'm wrong, but I've watched his career closely and am not impressed. He'll draft you a lot of choir boys who will never get in trouble, but will be average players, and he'll continually tell you how "it's a process"....
Good luck.
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