Flag burning poll
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Why would someone expressing their first amendment rights give you the right to assault then without consequence?
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well, I voted "yes". Because - free speech is one thing, but yelling "FIRE" in a crowded theater is NOT.
Where is the line drawn?
The question needs clarification. Burning our American flag in private - who cares? nobody knows.
but burning our American flag in front of a crowd, in front of a veterans day assembly, etc etc, is openly inciting offense and tentatively inciting violence.
The left demands to own definitions of words that THEY create. "hate crime" means what they espouse has been offended.
But if they hate our American flag, hate our country, hate republicans, hate Christians, hate God, hate everything else they don't like......
that is ok because THEY decide what is allowed to be hated, and they feel no crime against what they hate is unjustified.
They love their illegals, so they feel the accompanying violent crimes are not to be talked about, even ignored/ridiculed.
But wait til someone burns a gay pride flag? Then all leftwing liberal outrage ensures.
Liberals want our American flag to be allowed to be burned as "free speech".
Not in public it is not.
Simply put - to liberals, burning flags is only free speech when liberals decide it's free speech.
I believe burning flags in public is yelling "FIRE" in a crowded theater. It's meant to induce panic, terror and violence with an entire crowd trying to get out the doors.
On PRINCIPLE - burning symbolic flags in public should be considered deliberately "inciting to riot".
And yes, so many of our military fought and died died for our American flag - and in public, a "citizens arrest" should be a given. With violence if necessary.
But as always, the left's hypocrisy is there for all America to see.
An Iowa man has been sentenced to 16 years in prison after setting a local church's LGBTQ flag on fire this past June. 30-year-old Adolfo Martinez, according to the Des Moines Register, was arrested after stealing a pride banner and later burning it outside a strip club.well, I voted "yes". Because - free speech is one thing, but yelling "FIRE" in a crowded theater is NOT.
Where is the line drawn?
The question needs clarification. Burning our American flag in private - who cares? nobody knows.
but burning our American flag in front of a crowd, in front of a veterans day assembly, etc etc, is openly inciting offense and tentatively inciting violence.
Lot of insane rambling in your post past the point above, which I deleted
Just to confirm though, you're saying if you say (this is essentially speech) something in front of a group that the group doesn't like, you're trying to incite a riot and it should be illegal
If a conservative Christian went to a gay pride parade and yelled at those in the parade that being gay is a sin, is that not the same thing? Should that conservative Christian's speech be censured and prosecuted because they're trying to incite a riot?
I'm not holding my breath you'll actually comprehend the similarities here, but we'll see.
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
well, I voted "yes". Because - free speech is one thing, but yelling "FIRE" in a crowded theater is NOT.
Where is the line drawn?
The question needs clarification. Burning our American flag in private - who cares? nobody knows.
but burning our American flag in front of a crowd, in front of a veterans day assembly, etc etc, is openly inciting offense and tentatively inciting violence.
Lot of insane rambling in your post past the point above, which I deleted
Just to confirm though, you're saying if you say (this is essentially speech) something in front of a group that the group doesn't like, you're trying to incite a riot and it should be illegal
If a conservative Christian went to a gay pride parade and yelled at those in the parade that being gay is a sin, is that not the same thing? Should that conservative Christian's speech be censured and prosecuted because they're trying to incite a riot?
I'm not holding my breath you'll actually comprehend the similarities here, but we'll see.
Lot of insane rambling in your post past the point above, which I deleted
Just to confirm though, you're saying if you say (this is essentially speech) something in front of a group that the group doesn't like, you're trying to incite a riot and it should be illegal
If a conservative Christian went to a gay pride parade and yelled at those in the parade that being gay is a sin, is that not the same thing? Should that conservative Christian's speech be censured and prosecuted because they're trying to incite a riot?
I'm not holding my breath you'll actually comprehend the similarities here, but we'll see.
How dare you even compare gay pride in the same breath as the American flag or Christianity for that matter... In case it hasn't dawned on you... America was founded on Christian principles.. Not gay shit!... You are one sick fucking lunatic... You belong in an insane asylum.. stick to sports... Your out of your lane here..
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well, I voted "yes". Because - free speech is one thing, but yelling "FIRE" in a crowded theater is NOT.
Where is the line drawn?
The question needs clarification. Burning our American flag in private - who cares? nobody knows.
but burning our American flag in front of a crowd, in front of a veterans day assembly, etc etc, is openly inciting offense and tentatively inciting violence.
Lot of insane rambling in your post past the point above, which I deleted
Just to confirm though, you're saying if you say (this is essentially speech) something in front of a group that the group doesn't like, you're trying to incite a riot and it should be illegal
If a conservative Christian went to a gay pride parade and yelled at those in the parade that being gay is a sin, is that not the same thing? Should that conservative Christian's speech be censured and prosecuted because they're trying to incite a riot?
I'm not holding my breath you'll actually comprehend the similarities here, but we'll see.
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you are sticking up the forum again. The subject is BURNING SYMBOLIC FLAGS just to incite unrest and deliberately anger/offend a lot of people.
You can't legally yell "FIRE" in a crowded theater. You can't incite to riot.
No similarities anything. Do you condemn that person going to prison for years for burning a gay flag? or not?
Again, you are proving what I say is true - you lefties pick and choose when free speech is allowed. That is extremely wrong. Do you think it's funny to be so stupid in your posts?
The U.S. Constitution Online
Jun 13, 2025The urgent constitutional test we now face is defining the razor-thin line between protected advocacy and prosecutable incitement. If a group funds, organizes, or directs actions that predictably erupt into violence, should they be protected by the Constitution… or prosecuted under it? -
I voted should not be illegal so long as it's a flag you bought and paid for.
Then we are in agreement.
I do believe the core issue is that the burning of the flag is done so to incite a riot.
what other purpose is there for burning the flag?
if you want to go in your backyard and burn your flag have at it loser.
Who gets to decide if it's inciting a riot or not? There was a retired vet who, earlier this week, burned the flag in protest of Trump's announcement and accepted his arrest for it. He wasn't starting a riot. He was making a political statement. He's going to end up winning a big settlement from the US taxpayer because of it.
yelling "FIRE" in a crowded theater is NOT.
This argument is wrong and only ever gets used by people who want to take away free speech rights. The courts ruled that the act of "yelling fire" cannot be illegal in and of itself. It can be yelled for a lot of reasons. The courts set a very high bar for when doing so would be illegal, and that would be in the case of speech that is "directed to inciting or producing imminent lawless action and is likely to incite or produce such action."
Best of luck proving that intent in court. Going to be a massive waste of taxpayer dollar if we try to prosecute everyone who burns the flag on those grounds.
If you are not a US citizen, then burning our flag in our country should bring punishment and/or being deported.
I agree with this.
There is no escape from consequence for actions taken, or even spoken as per 1st amendment rights. Talk shit / get hit is different than do shit / get hit. I side with the liberty I might choose to take. And it might include violence with prejudice. Sorry not sorry
Ah, I see, you side with the blacks that sucker punched and stomped on the white peoples' heads in Cincinnati because they allegedly used the xbox word.
Ah, I see, you side with the blacks that sucker punched and stomped on the white peoples' heads in Cincinnati because they allegedly used the xbox word.
this will keep going til you are able to pull out a jew hate reference ... of which im not surprised because it cant fit into the box you are thinking out of.
regarding violence - heres my agreement to its agency
"A harmless man is not a good man. A good man is a very very dangerous man who has that (violent response) under voluntary control." Jordan Peterson
do you think that the Marxists hiding in plain sight are using the flag burning protection bullshit to incite peace?
so go back to my first response ^ and fuck off with comparisons to your own bigotry
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Ah, I see, you side with the blacks that sucker punched and stomped on the white peoples' heads in Cincinnati because they allegedly used the xbox word.
this will keep going til you are able to pull out a jew hate reference ... of which im not surprised because it cant fit into the box you are thinking out of.
regarding violence - heres my agreement to its agency
"A harmless man is not a good man. A good man is a very very dangerous man who has that (violent response) under voluntary control." Jordan Peterson
do you think that the Marxists hiding in plain sight are using the flag burning protection bullshit to incite peace?
so go back to my first response ^ and fuck off with comparisons to your own bigotry
this will keep going til you are able to pull out a jew hate reference ... of which im not surprised because it cant fit into the box you are thinking out of.
regarding violence - heres my agreement to its agency
"A harmless man is not a good man. A good man is a very very dangerous man who has that (violent response) under voluntary control." Jordan Peterson
do you think that the Marxists hiding in plain sight are using the flag burning protection bullshit to incite peace?
so go back to my first response ^ and fuck off with comparisons to your own bigotry
"Talk shit, get hit," is your mantra when it applies to things you are offended by. When different people apply it to things they are offended by, you come up with mental gymnastics to show how your case is different. The first amendment exists to keep us from turning into a nanny state like our friends in Europe who agree with you on flag burning. And, on top of all this, you live in St. Paul! For all your tough guy talk in this thread, where were you when BLM was burning the flag in the George Floyd riots? Didn't see you beating the shit out of any rioting Marxists then.
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Lot of insane rambling in your post past the point above, which I deleted
Just to confirm though, you're saying if you say (this is essentially speech) something in front of a group that the group doesn't like, you're trying to incite a riot and it should be illegal
If a conservative Christian went to a gay pride parade and yelled at those in the parade that being gay is a sin, is that not the same thing? Should that conservative Christian's speech be censured and prosecuted because they're trying to incite a riot?
I'm not holding my breath you'll actually comprehend the similarities here, but we'll see.
How dare you even compare gay pride in the same breath as the American flag or Christianity for that matter... In case it hasn't dawned on you... America was founded on Christian principles.. Not gay shit!... You are one sick fucking lunatic... You belong in an insane asylum.. stick to sports... Your out of your lane here..
How dare you even compare gay pride in the same breath as the American flag or Christianity for that matter... In case it hasn't dawned on you... America was founded on Christian principles.. Not gay shit!... You are one sick fucking lunatic... You belong in an insane asylum.. stick to sports... Your out of your lane here..
So the comparison is completely lose on you. Got it.
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
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you are sticking up the forum again. The subject is BURNING SYMBOLIC FLAGS just to incite unrest and deliberately anger/offend a lot of people.
You can't legally yell "FIRE" in a crowded theater. You can't incite to riot.
No similarities anything. Do you condemn that person going to prison for years for burning a gay flag? or not?
Again, you are proving what I say is true - you lefties pick and choose when free speech is allowed. That is extremely wrong. Do you think it's funny to be so stupid in your posts?
The U.S. Constitution Online
Jun 13, 2025The urgent constitutional test we now face is defining the razor-thin line between protected advocacy and prosecutable incitement. If a group funds, organizes, or directs actions that predictably erupt into violence, should they be protected by the Constitution… or prosecuted under it?you are sticking up the forum again. The subject is BURNING SYMBOLIC FLAGS just to incite unrest and deliberately anger/offend a lot of people.
You can't legally yell "FIRE" in a crowded theater. You can't incite to riot.
No similarities anything. Do you condemn that person going to prison for years for burning a gay flag? or not?
Again, you are proving what I say is true - you lefties pick and choose when free speech is allowed. That is extremely wrong. Do you think it's funny to be so stupid in your posts?
The U.S. Constitution Online
Jun 13, 2025The urgent constitutional test we now face is defining the razor-thin line between protected advocacy and prosecutable incitement. If a group funds, organizes, or directs actions that predictably erupt into violence, should they be protected by the Constitution… or prosecuted under it?Pretty much what I expected. I had no expectation for you to calmly and logically follow this.
Again, your argument to make flag burning illegal is that, if done in front of vets, it's comparable to inciting a riot.
You're basically saying any speech in front of a group that wouldn't like they speech is illegal, because it could incite a riot.
It's the same things as a homophobic conservative protesting a gay pride parade, as it could incite a riot.
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This thread is just the perfect example of posters that have actual, ideological principles.... And posters without spines that flip flop their argument constantly based on what their party says. Constant mental gymnastics
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This thread is just the perfect example of posters that have actual, ideological principles.... And posters without spines that flip flop their argument constantly based on what their party says. Constant mental gymnastics
This thread is just the perfect example of posters that have actual, ideological principles.... And posters without spines that flip flop their argument constantly based on what their party says. Constant mental gymnastics
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this will keep going til you are able to pull out a jew hate reference ... of which im not surprised because it cant fit into the box you are thinking out of.
regarding violence - heres my agreement to its agency
"A harmless man is not a good man. A good man is a very very dangerous man who has that (violent response) under voluntary control." Jordan Peterson
do you think that the Marxists hiding in plain sight are using the flag burning protection bullshit to incite peace?
so go back to my first response ^ and fuck off with comparisons to your own bigotry
"Talk shit, get hit," is your mantra when it applies to things you are offended by. When different people apply it to things they are offended by, you come up with mental gymnastics to show how your case is different. The first amendment exists to keep us from turning into a nanny state like our friends in Europe who agree with you on flag burning. And, on top of all this, you live in St. Paul! For all your tough guy talk in this thread, where were you when BLM was burning the flag in the George Floyd riots? Didn't see you beating the shit out of any rioting Marxists then.
"Talk shit, get hit," is your mantra when it applies to things you are offended by. When different people apply it to things they are offended by, you come up with mental gymnastics to show how your case is different. The first amendment exists to keep us from turning into a nanny state like our friends in Europe who agree with you on flag burning. And, on top of all this, you live in St. Paul! For all your tough guy talk in this thread, where were you when BLM was burning the flag in the George Floyd riots? Didn't see you beating the shit out of any rioting Marxists then.
I can tell your rattled, calm down. Let's review shall we? I said (to use your words) -Do shit / get hit. Not talk shit / get hit... LIKE Burn the flag / poke the bear FAFO etc. I added kick the shit out of the perp. My choice to a consequence right? I'm aware of that. So what part of all this doesnt answer your poll question ? BTW George Floyd reference makes it 3 times now that you tried to pin a bigoted example to my character so again I say fuck off with that.
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"Talk shit, get hit," is your mantra when it applies to things you are offended by. When different people apply it to things they are offended by, you come up with mental gymnastics to show how your case is different. The first amendment exists to keep us from turning into a nanny state like our friends in Europe who agree with you on flag burning. And, on top of all this, you live in St. Paul! For all your tough guy talk in this thread, where were you when BLM was burning the flag in the George Floyd riots? Didn't see you beating the shit out of any rioting Marxists then.
I can tell your rattled, calm down. Let's review shall we? I said (to use your words) -Do shit / get hit. Not talk shit / get hit... LIKE Burn the flag / poke the bear FAFO etc. I added kick the shit out of the perp. My choice to a consequence right? I'm aware of that. So what part of all this doesnt answer your poll question ? BTW George Floyd reference makes it 3 times now that you tried to pin a bigoted example to my character so again I say fuck off with that.
I can tell your rattled, calm down. Let's review shall we? I said (to use your words) -Do shit / get hit. Not talk shit / get hit... LIKE Burn the flag / poke the bear FAFO etc. I added kick the shit out of the perp. My choice to a consequence right? I'm aware of that. So what part of all this doesnt answer your poll question ? BTW George Floyd reference makes it 3 times now that you tried to pin a bigoted example to my character so again I say fuck off with that.
Let's try this again with Jax's example. Would you find it acceptable if someone burns a pride rainbow flag, and an offended Marxist beats the shit out of him?
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I can tell your rattled, calm down. Let's review shall we? I said (to use your words) -Do shit / get hit. Not talk shit / get hit... LIKE Burn the flag / poke the bear FAFO etc. I added kick the shit out of the perp. My choice to a consequence right? I'm aware of that. So what part of all this doesnt answer your poll question ? BTW George Floyd reference makes it 3 times now that you tried to pin a bigoted example to my character so again I say fuck off with that.
Let's try this again with Jax's example. Would you find it acceptable if someone burns a pride rainbow flag, and an offended Marxist beats the shit out of him?
Let's try this again with Jax's example. Would you find it acceptable if someone burns a pride rainbow flag, and an offended Marxist beats the shit out of him?
I'd only refer to his post of which I responded with the "TY" symbol because my response was not equal to your example of a beheading. Not unusual for a radical muslim but certainly for US flag loving persons like many of us, there is no equity. And this here pitting burning a pride flag with a vengeful marxist. I don't know what you want other than to perhaps be led into some kind of gotcha. Im having trouble identifying these 2 sides in my mind as having anything to do with me.
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Let's try this again with Jax's example. Would you find it acceptable if someone burns a pride rainbow flag, and an offended Marxist beats the shit out of him?
I'd only refer to his post of which I responded with the "TY" symbol because my response was not equal to your example of a beheading. Not unusual for a radical muslim but certainly for US flag loving persons like many of us, there is no equity. And this here pitting burning a pride flag with a vengeful marxist. I don't know what you want other than to perhaps be led into some kind of gotcha. Im having trouble identifying these 2 sides in my mind as having anything to do with me.
Im having trouble identifying these 2 sides in my mind as having anything to do with me.
That's exactly my point. The first amendment doesn't and shouldn't just apply to you. It applies to everyone, with whatever offensive opinions or statements they make. Trump banning the burning of any specific flag would be a violation of 1A. And if the government makes an exception to do it for one cause (such as the American flag), there's not a lot stopping them from making an exception for other causes when other groups have that power (Muslims and the Quran, liberals and the pride flag, etc). The moment it doesn't apply to certain opinions is the moment it becomes worthless.
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Im having trouble identifying these 2 sides in my mind as having anything to do with me.
That's exactly my point. The first amendment doesn't and shouldn't just apply to you. It applies to everyone, with whatever offensive opinions or statements they make. Trump banning the burning of any specific flag would be a violation of 1A. And if the government makes an exception to do it for one cause (such as the American flag), there's not a lot stopping them from making an exception for other causes when other groups have that power (Muslims and the Quran, liberals and the pride flag, etc). The moment it doesn't apply to certain opinions is the moment it becomes worthless.
That's exactly my point. The first amendment doesn't and shouldn't just apply to you. It applies to everyone, with whatever offensive opinions or statements they make. Trump banning the burning of any specific flag would be a violation of 1A. And if the government makes an exception to do it for one cause (such as the American flag), there's not a lot stopping them from making an exception for other causes when other groups have that power (Muslims and the Quran, liberals and the pride flag, etc). It gets abused by every group in power and becomes a race to the bottom.
some other groups already have that power, regardless of it's legal validity. So, all "hate speech" is ok with you? all fine - all 1st Amendment? Terrorist threats? Death threats? Where do YOU draw the line, if there is one?
Are you ok with that guy getting 15 years for burning a gay flag?
Let's try to differentiate between outrageous, intimidating/angering actions designed for that purpose, and honest speech someone doesn't like/finds offensive.
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That's exactly my point. The first amendment doesn't and shouldn't just apply to you. It applies to everyone, with whatever offensive opinions or statements they make. Trump banning the burning of any specific flag would be a violation of 1A. And if the government makes an exception to do it for one cause (such as the American flag), there's not a lot stopping them from making an exception for other causes when other groups have that power (Muslims and the Quran, liberals and the pride flag, etc). It gets abused by every group in power and becomes a race to the bottom.
some other groups already have that power, regardless of it's legal validity. So, all "hate speech" is ok with you? all fine - all 1st Amendment? Terrorist threats? Death threats? Where do YOU draw the line, if there is one?
Are you ok with that guy getting 15 years for burning a gay flag?
Let's try to differentiate between outrageous, intimidating/angering actions designed for that purpose, and honest speech someone doesn't like/finds offensive.
some other groups already have that power, regardless of it's legal validity. So, all "hate speech" is ok with you? all fine - all 1st Amendment? Terrorist threats? Death threats? Where do YOU draw the line, if there is one?
SCOTUS has clearly defined the limit of 1A with speech "directed to inciting or producing imminent lawless action and is likely to incite or produce such action." That's where I draw the line.
Are you ok with that guy getting 15 years for burning a gay flag?
Nope. That punishment is a clear violation of 1A, imo. This is why I can't stand "hate speech" being used as justification to shut people up.
Let's try to differentiate between outrageous, intimidating/angering actions designed for that purpose, and honest speech someone doesn't like/finds offensive.
Something being outrageous or causing anger isn't illegal. Intimidation falls outside of 1A only when a true threat is attached to it.
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How dare you even compare gay pride in the same breath as the American flag or Christianity for that matter... In case it hasn't dawned on you... America was founded on Christian principles.. Not gay shit!... You are one sick fucking lunatic... You belong in an insane asylum.. stick to sports... Your out of your lane here..
So the comparison is completely lose on you. Got it.
So the comparison is completely lose on you. Got it.
How lame!... You are an asshole of the lowest common species..
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I voted no. At the end of the day it’s an innocuous act that’s meant to be an attention getter and a conversation starter. So l see you’re upset with America. Tell me all about it.
With pretty much everything l try to look past the act to the motivations behind the act. If someone is fired up enough to burn our flag in public view, they are obviously looking to be seen and heard. If they don’t get seen or heard, they’re liable to step up their game and get our attention in other ways. Flying a plane into a building? Setting off a bomb? Driving a truck through a crowd? Shooting a gun in to a crowd?
We’ve witnessed those things, and I’ll take a burning flag 10 outta 10 times over those things. As weird as it sounds, it’s a positive in two ways. 1) we care enough as a nation that it upsets us enough that we are even having this conversation, and 2) we have thick enough skin to allow it because we can absorb people blowing off steam without losing our shit over it and escalating it further.
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Let's try this again with Jax's example. Would you find it acceptable if someone burns a pride rainbow flag, and an offended Marxist beats the shit out of him?
I'd only refer to his post of which I responded with the "TY" symbol because my response was not equal to your example of a beheading. Not unusual for a radical muslim but certainly for US flag loving persons like many of us, there is no equity. And this here pitting burning a pride flag with a vengeful marxist. I don't know what you want other than to perhaps be led into some kind of gotcha. Im having trouble identifying these 2 sides in my mind as having anything to do with me.
Im having trouble identifying these 2 sides in my mind as having anything to do with me.
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