Flag burning poll
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That's exactly my point. The first amendment doesn't and shouldn't just apply to you. It applies to everyone, with whatever offensive opinions or statements they make. Trump banning the burning of any specific flag would be a violation of 1A. And if the government makes an exception to do it for one cause (such as the American flag), there's not a lot stopping them from making an exception for other causes when other groups have that power (Muslims and the Quran, liberals and the pride flag, etc). It gets abused by every group in power and becomes a race to the bottom.
some other groups already have that power, regardless of it's legal validity. So, all "hate speech" is ok with you? all fine - all 1st Amendment? Terrorist threats? Death threats? Where do YOU draw the line, if there is one?
Are you ok with that guy getting 15 years for burning a gay flag?
Let's try to differentiate between outrageous, intimidating/angering actions designed for that purpose, and honest speech someone doesn't like/finds offensive.
some other groups already have that power, regardless of it's legal validity. So, all "hate speech" is ok with you? all fine - all 1st Amendment? Terrorist threats? Death threats? Where do YOU draw the line, if there is one?
SCOTUS has clearly defined the limit of 1A with speech "directed to inciting or producing imminent lawless action and is likely to incite or produce such action." That's where I draw the line.
Are you ok with that guy getting 15 years for burning a gay flag?
Nope. That punishment is a clear violation of 1A, imo. This is why I can't stand "hate speech" being used as justification to shut people up.
Let's try to differentiate between outrageous, intimidating/angering actions designed for that purpose, and honest speech someone doesn't like/finds offensive.
Something being outrageous or causing anger isn't illegal. Intimidation falls outside of 1A only when a true threat is attached to it.
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How dare you even compare gay pride in the same breath as the American flag or Christianity for that matter... In case it hasn't dawned on you... America was founded on Christian principles.. Not gay shit!... You are one sick fucking lunatic... You belong in an insane asylum.. stick to sports... Your out of your lane here..
So the comparison is completely lose on you. Got it.
So the comparison is completely lose on you. Got it.
How lame!... You are an asshole of the lowest common species..
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I voted no. At the end of the day it’s an innocuous act that’s meant to be an attention getter and a conversation starter. So l see you’re upset with America. Tell me all about it.
With pretty much everything l try to look past the act to the motivations behind the act. If someone is fired up enough to burn our flag in public view, they are obviously looking to be seen and heard. If they don’t get seen or heard, they’re liable to step up their game and get our attention in other ways. Flying a plane into a building? Setting off a bomb? Driving a truck through a crowd? Shooting a gun in to a crowd?
We’ve witnessed those things, and I’ll take a burning flag 10 outta 10 times over those things. As weird as it sounds, it’s a positive in two ways. 1) we care enough as a nation that it upsets us enough that we are even having this conversation, and 2) we have thick enough skin to allow it because we can absorb people blowing off steam without losing our shit over it and escalating it further.
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Let's try this again with Jax's example. Would you find it acceptable if someone burns a pride rainbow flag, and an offended Marxist beats the shit out of him?
I'd only refer to his post of which I responded with the "TY" symbol because my response was not equal to your example of a beheading. Not unusual for a radical muslim but certainly for US flag loving persons like many of us, there is no equity. And this here pitting burning a pride flag with a vengeful marxist. I don't know what you want other than to perhaps be led into some kind of gotcha. Im having trouble identifying these 2 sides in my mind as having anything to do with me.
Im having trouble identifying these 2 sides in my mind as having anything to do with me.
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I voted no. At the end of the day it’s an innocuous act that’s meant to be an attention getter and a conversation starter. So l see you’re upset with America. Tell me all about it.
With pretty much everything l try to look past the act to the motivations behind the act. If someone is fired up enough to burn our flag in public view, they are obviously looking to be seen and heard. If they don’t get seen or heard, they’re liable to step up their game and get our attention in other ways. Flying a plane into a building? Setting off a bomb? Driving a truck through a crowd? Shooting a gun in to a crowd?
We’ve witnessed those things, and I’ll take a burning flag 10 outta 10 times over those things. As weird as it sounds, it’s a positive in two ways. 1) we care enough as a nation that it upsets us enough that we are even having this conversation, and 2) we have thick enough skin to allow it because we can absorb people blowing off steam without losing our shit over it and escalating it further.
I voted no. At the end of the day it’s an innocuous act that’s meant to be an attention getter and a conversation starter. So l see you’re upset with America. Tell me all about it.
With pretty much everything l try to look past the act to the motivations behind the act. If someone is fired up enough to burn our flag in public view, they are obviously looking to be seen and heard. If they don’t get seen or heard, they’re liable to step up their game and get our attention in other ways. Flying a plane into a building? Setting off a bomb? Driving a truck through a crowd? Shooting a gun in to a crowd?
We’ve witnessed those things, and I’ll take a burning flag 10 outta 10 times over those things. As weird as it sounds, it’s a positive in two ways. 1) we care enough as a nation that it upsets us enough that we are even having this conversation, and 2) we have thick enough skin to allow it because we can absorb people blowing off steam without losing our shit over it and escalating it further.
So, yelling "FIRE" in a crowded theater to deliberately induce panic is "free speech" because it isn't like flying a plane into a building? wow.
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I voted no. At the end of the day it’s an innocuous act that’s meant to be an attention getter and a conversation starter. So l see you’re upset with America. Tell me all about it.
With pretty much everything l try to look past the act to the motivations behind the act. If someone is fired up enough to burn our flag in public view, they are obviously looking to be seen and heard. If they don’t get seen or heard, they’re liable to step up their game and get our attention in other ways. Flying a plane into a building? Setting off a bomb? Driving a truck through a crowd? Shooting a gun in to a crowd?
We’ve witnessed those things, and I’ll take a burning flag 10 outta 10 times over those things. As weird as it sounds, it’s a positive in two ways. 1) we care enough as a nation that it upsets us enough that we are even having this conversation, and 2) we have thick enough skin to allow it because we can absorb people blowing off steam without losing our shit over it and escalating it further.
So, yelling "FIRE" in a crowded theater to deliberately induce panic is "free speech" because it isn't like flying a plane into a building? wow.
So, yelling "FIRE" in a crowded theater to deliberately induce panic is "free speech" because it isn't like flying a plane into a building? wow.
That argument was shot down on the first page Calf. Burning the flag will chap some asses, that’s basically the intent.
How chapped do you want your ass to be? Well that’s up to you, it’s your ass. You can absolutely let it chap your ass raw if you’re a thin skinned ninny.
But luckily for you thin skinned ninnies, you get to share a country with some thicker skinned individuals who aren’t so easily fazed.
It’s entirely possible to not like something without melting down over it to the point you’re begging for government intervention.
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So, yelling "FIRE" in a crowded theater to deliberately induce panic is "free speech" because it isn't like flying a plane into a building? wow.
That argument was shot down on the first page Calf. Burning the flag will chap some asses, that’s basically the intent.
How chapped do you want your ass to be? Well that’s up to you, it’s your ass. You can absolutely let it chap your ass raw if you’re a thin skinned ninny.
But luckily for you thin skinned ninnies, you get to share a country with some thicker skinned individuals who aren’t so easily fazed.
It’s entirely possible to not like something without melting down over it to the point you’re begging for government intervention.
That argument was shot down on the first page Calf. Burning the flag will chap some asses, that’s basically the intent.
How chapped do you want your ass to be? Well that’s up to you, it’s your ass. You can absolutely let it chap your ass raw if you’re a thin skinned ninny.
But luckily for you thin skinned ninnies, you get to share a country with some thicker skinned individuals who aren’t so easily fazed.
It’s entirely possible to not like something without melting down over it to the point you’re begging for government intervention.
There is no chapping on me. I just let you know your rambling is weird and makes no sense.
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When its all said and done i think the President knows it’ll be shot down, but it should add some discomfort to the losers who would love to cause trouble and sow discontent among other losers.
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That argument was shot down on the first page Calf. Burning the flag will chap some asses, that’s basically the intent.
How chapped do you want your ass to be? Well that’s up to you, it’s your ass. You can absolutely let it chap your ass raw if you’re a thin skinned ninny.
But luckily for you thin skinned ninnies, you get to share a country with some thicker skinned individuals who aren’t so easily fazed.
It’s entirely possible to not like something without melting down over it to the point you’re begging for government intervention.
There is no chapping on me. I just let you know your rambling is weird and makes no sense.
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When its all said and done i think the President knows it’ll be shot down, but it should add some discomfort to the losers who would love to cause trouble and sow discontent among other losers.
When its all said and done i think the President knows it’ll be shot down, but it should add some discomfort to the losers who would love to cause trouble and sow discontent among other losers.
Yeah, maybe. It’s a fascist-like move anyway. Demand loyalty to the flag. If it truly means something then us rank and file folks will make it mean something. If the government needs to demand it, that’s a red flag man.
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When its all said and done i think the President knows it’ll be shot down, but it should add some discomfort to the losers who would love to cause trouble and sow discontent among other losers.
Yeah, maybe. It’s a fascist-like move anyway. Demand loyalty to the flag. If it truly means something then us rank and file folks will make it mean something. If the government needs to demand it, that’s a red flag man.
Yeah, maybe. It’s a fascist-like move anyway. Demand loyalty to the flag. If it truly means something then us rank and file folks will make it mean something. If the government needs to demand it, that’s a red flag man.
Your a weird dude….how you turn something patriotic into a fascist -like move just shows how far left of center your mindset really is.
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Yeah, maybe. It’s a fascist-like move anyway. Demand loyalty to the flag. If it truly means something then us rank and file folks will make it mean something. If the government needs to demand it, that’s a red flag man.
Your a weird dude….how you turn something patriotic into a fascist -like move just shows how far left of center your mindset really is.
Your a weird dude….how you turn something patriotic into a fascist -like move just shows how far left of center your mindset really is.
You’re a little weird yourself bub. To me patriotism should be a “want to” thing rather than a “have to” thing. You might see it differently.
Edit: You suck at compound words. We have to be around the same age, how have you not figured that out by now? MC Hammer hasn’t been relevant since the 90s. Just squeeze the two words together and replace the missing letter with an apostrophe. You are = you’re.
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Your a weird dude….how you turn something patriotic into a fascist -like move just shows how far left of center your mindset really is.
You’re a little weird yourself bub. To me patriotism should be a “want to” thing rather than a “have to” thing. You might see it differently.
Edit: You suck at compound words. We have to be around the same age, how have you not figured that out by now? MC Hammer hasn’t been relevant since the 90s. Just squeeze the two words together and replace the missing letter with an apostrophe. You are = you’re.
You’re a little weird yourself bub. To me patriotism should be a “want to” thing rather than a “have to” thing. You might see it differently.
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You’re a little weird yourself bub. To me patriotism should be a “want to” thing rather than a “have to” thing. You might see it differently.
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There is no "right" to yell "FIRE" in a crowded theater.
Burning our Flag does nothing except to offend Americans.
You never said one word about "rights" when that guy got 15 years in prison
for burning a gay flag.
Typical woodpecker.
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***FART***
There is no "right" to yell "FIRE" in a crowded theater.
Burning our Flag does nothing except to offend Americans.
You never said one word about "rights" when that guy got 15 years in prison
for burning a gay flag.
Typical woodpecker.
There is no "right" to yell "FIRE" in a crowded theater.
Burning our Flag does nothing except to offend Americans.
You never said one word about "rights" when that guy got 15 years in prison
for burning a gay flag.
Typical woodpecker.
Cal, yelling fire in a crowded theater to incite panic and harm is not the same thing as burning a flag
If our flag being burned by a guy at a protest sends you into a blind rage, uncontrollable anger, etc where those around you are in the same level of danger as if they were on a panicked crowd trying to leave a theater, then you're the problem. You're a thin skinned snowflake.
You don't have a right to not be offended, princess.
You continuing to equate this to "yelling fire in a theater" doesn't make it any more legitimate of an argument each time you say it. They're not the same thing. Anyone not completely politically blinded or riddled with dementia can see that
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There is no "right" to yell "FIRE" in a crowded theater.
Burning our Flag does nothing except to offend Americans.
You never said one word about "rights" when that guy got 15 years in prison
for burning a gay flag.
Typical woodpecker.
There is no "right" to yell "FIRE" in a crowded theater.
Burning our Flag does nothing except to offend Americans.
You never said one word about "rights" when that guy got 15 years in prison
for burning a gay flag.
Typical woodpecker.
Again, your yelling “fire” in a movie theater argument was shot down on the first page of this thread. Come up with a better argument.
And yeah, burning our flag chaps the asses of us real Americans. You don’t seem to mind it per your own words. I’m not even sure you know what’s going on right now.
That’s the goal of someone burning our flag, to troll us. You seem to understand that but you don’t understand the best way to deal with it. The answer is not begging for government intervention by making it illegal. That’s what ninnies do. Don’t be a ninny.
@fairhooker11‘s comments are more on point. We can take care of these things ourselves.
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There is no "right" to yell "FIRE" in a crowded theater.
Burning our Flag does nothing except to offend Americans.
You never said one word about "rights" when that guy got 15 years in prison
for burning a gay flag.
Typical woodpecker.
Cal, yelling fire in a crowded theater to incite panic and harm is not the same thing as burning a flag
If our flag being burned by a guy at a protest sends you into a blind rage, uncontrollable anger, etc where those around you are in the same level of danger as if they were on a panicked crowd trying to leave a theater, then you're the problem. You're a thin skinned snowflake.
You don't have a right to not be offended, princess.
You continuing to equate this to "yelling fire in a theater" doesn't make it any more legitimate of an argument each time you say it. They're not the same thing. Anyone not completely politically blinded or riddled with dementia can see that
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stinkin up the forum again.
Are you ok with that guy getting 15 years for burning a gay flag?
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There is no "right" to yell "FIRE" in a crowded theater.
Burning our Flag does nothing except to offend Americans.
You never said one word about "rights" when that guy got 15 years in prison
for burning a gay flag.
Typical woodpecker.
Again, your yelling “fire” in a movie theater argument was shot down on the first page of this thread. Come up with a better argument.
And yeah, burning our flag chaps the asses of us real Americans. You don’t seem to mind it per your own words. I’m not even sure you know what’s going on right now.
That’s the goal of someone burning our flag, to troll us. You seem to understand that but you don’t understand the best way to deal with it. The answer is not begging for government intervention by making it illegal. That’s what ninnies do. Don’t be a ninny.
@fairhooker11‘s comments are more on point. We can take care of these things ourselves.
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Are you ok with burning a gay flag being a crime?
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Are you ok with burning a gay flag being a crime?
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