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  • @jax said:

    Don't know if that's a reasonable fear but the left can find any excuse under the sun to create more political violence. They are masters at being victims and being oppressed in a free country.

    If you put a person in a position where they have nothing to lose (e.g. - taking away their livelihood), some of them are going to lash out at the people who put them in that position. 

    @vaportrail said:

    If you put a person in a position where they have nothing to lose (e.g. - taking away their livelihood), some of them are going to lash out at the people who put them in that position. 

    People get fired all the time, this isn't something new right?

  • @jax said:

    Don't know if that's a reasonable fear but the left can find any excuse under the sun to create more political violence. They are masters at being victims and being oppressed in a free country.

    If you put a person in a position where they have nothing to lose (e.g. - taking away their livelihood), some of them are going to lash out at the people who put them in that position. 

    @vaportrail said:

    If you put a person in a position where they have nothing to lose (e.g. - taking away their livelihood), some of them are going to lash out at the people who put them in that position. 

    Well, actually they put themselves in that position.

  • @jax said:

    Not entirely refuting your stance but Kirk wasn't a career criminal, he promoted family values.

    I'm well aware of the difference between the two, but if we keep trying to make it so that people who disagree with us can't ever find meaningful work again, that's only going to cause more political violence. 

    @vaportrail said:

    I'm well aware of the difference between the two, but if we keep trying to make it so that people who disagree with us can't ever find meaningful work again, that's only going to cause more political violence. 

    I should add, if they are losing their livelihood over their speech then they are probably already politically violent to begin with.

  • Of course the right is hypocritical with their stance on free speech, cancel culture, etc. Nothing new. 

    Freedom of speech isn't freedom of consequence. If you're out there cheering Kirk's death and it gets you fired from your job, then tough shit. 

    But when there's a literally website right now tracking anti Kirk sentiment right now, leading to doxxing, it just shows the massive, continued hypocrisy of MAGA

  • I think l’ve figured it out. This is how we got here.  Us chasing our tails over who says the meanest shit.

    As long as we give it airtime, the hits will keep on coming. 

    When did we get so thin skinned? As long as awful people saying awful things captures our hearts and minds, this is what we’re going to get. Directionless bickering.

    I get it FY. You’re really focused on showing that left wingers say more awful shit than right wingers. You might even be right.

    But as long as this is your focus, or anyone else’s focus, nothing will change. 

    We used to be almost militant about free speech. I still am. I don’t understand how we’ve gone so far astray. I don’t care if you’re a literal Nazi. I don’t agree with you, but I want to know what l’m dealing with at all times and l want it out in front. This is the benefit of free speech. Everyone is allowed to say all the awful shit, which is way better than not knowing the awful shit. 

    If we are concerning ourselves with amplifying the awful shit that people say, then all we’re doing is amplifying awful shit. 

  • Of course the right is hypocritical with their stance on free speech, cancel culture, etc. Nothing new. 

    Freedom of speech isn't freedom of consequence. If you're out there cheering Kirk's death and it gets you fired from your job, then tough shit. 

    But when there's a literally website right now tracking anti Kirk sentiment right now, leading to doxxing, it just shows the massive, continued hypocrisy of MAGA

    @mld-woody said:

    Freedom of speech isn't freedom of consequence.

    This is exactly what the people cheering on Kirk's death are saying. Letting riled up mobs mete out justice is going to lead to a bad, bad place. 

  • @mld-woody said:

    Freedom of speech isn't freedom of consequence.

    This is exactly what the people cheering on Kirk's death are saying. Letting riled up mobs mete out justice is going to lead to a bad, bad place. 

    @vaportrail said:

    This is exactly what the people cheering on Kirk's death are saying. Letting riled up mobs mete out justice is going to lead to a bad, bad place. 

    That wasn't directed at Kirk as some kind of justice for his hateful rhetoric. That was directed at people losing their jobs because they made comments online cheering on Kirk's murder. 

    You should be able to say what you want as long as it isn't directly putting others on harm (fire in a crowded theater). But if those words cause you to lose your job, tough shit. 

    This goes equally for the conservative posting homophobic thighs online and losing their job as it does the far leftist celebrating Kirk's death. 

    I figured you'd be aligned with that take. Thought we were pretty aligned on freedom of speech things. 

    Oh, and getting canned from your job because you're giving the org a bad look is different to me than mobs online trying to doxx anyone they disagree with. The doxxing part should be illegal. And while I am stating a consequence can exist, I'm not saying i agree with cancel mobs on either side. 

  • @vaportrail said:

    This is exactly what the people cheering on Kirk's death are saying. Letting riled up mobs mete out justice is going to lead to a bad, bad place. 

    That wasn't directed at Kirk as some kind of justice for his hateful rhetoric. That was directed at people losing their jobs because they made comments online cheering on Kirk's murder. 

    You should be able to say what you want as long as it isn't directly putting others on harm (fire in a crowded theater). But if those words cause you to lose your job, tough shit. 

    This goes equally for the conservative posting homophobic thighs online and losing their job as it does the far leftist celebrating Kirk's death. 

    I figured you'd be aligned with that take. Thought we were pretty aligned on freedom of speech things. 

    Oh, and getting canned from your job because you're giving the org a bad look is different to me than mobs online trying to doxx anyone they disagree with. The doxxing part should be illegal. And while I am stating a consequence can exist, I'm not saying i agree with cancel mobs on either side. 

    @mld-woody said:

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    you are stinking up the forum. Name one legit actual quote that you say is hateful. 

  • oh the worry on the job losses?  the extent of "consequence" to the POS's who cheered Kirks murder should reflect 

    as an embarrasment to those responsible in the public square - and the party of note (the dems) SHOULD suffer at the ballot box 

    I think every thinking person here with the exception of the pecker, would agree that there wont be violence caused by attached to any conservative  value based person...

    but how about  2020 -21 vax mandates and how the govt. took seriously ANY dissent

    and HOW they summarily shitcanned workers 

    (Its never been addressed - ready to happen again someday)

  • Not freedom of speech - nut with similar shirt as the assassin, stomps the

    Charlie Kirk Memorial.

    https://twitchy.com/warren-squire/2025/09/14/man-tramples-charlie-kirk-memorial-n2418966

    Man Dressed as Charlie Kirk Assassination Suspect Tyler Robinson Tramples Turning Point HQ Memorial

  • Probably one of woody's or Hoorta's pals.

  • Not freedom of speech - nut with similar shirt as the assassin, stomps the

    Charlie Kirk Memorial.

    https://twitchy.com/warren-squire/2025/09/14/man-tramples-charlie-kirk-memorial-n2418966

    Man Dressed as Charlie Kirk Assassination Suspect Tyler Robinson Tramples Turning Point HQ Memorial

    @calfoxwc said:

    Not freedom of speech - nut with similar shirt as the assassin, stomps the

    Charlie Kirk Memorial.

    https://twitchy.com/warren-squire/2025/09/14/man-tramples-charlie-kirk-memorial-n2418966

    Man Dressed as Charlie Kirk Assassination Suspect Tyler Robinson Tramples Turning Point HQ Memorial

    Looks like a guy fishing for a sucker to make him famous. Congratulations sucker.

  • Just going to throw this one out here as our fearless AG says she's going after people for hate speech. Bondi has got to be the biggest turd in the Trump administration. SCOTUS has existing rulings against her shitty legal theory. 

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  • Just going to throw this one out here as our fearless AG says she's going after people for hate speech. Bondi has got to be the biggest turd in the Trump administration. SCOTUS has existing rulings against her shitty legal theory. 

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    @vaportrail said:

    Just going to throw this one out here as our fearless AG says she's going after people for hate speech. Bondi has got to be the biggest turd in the Trump administration. SCOTUS has existing rulings against her shitty legal theory. 

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    You'd think the right wing movement (LibsofTikTok, etc) creating structured doxxing efforts would be bad enough, but instead our own fucked up increasingly fascist administration is on the case 

    The party that cried and cried about the cancellation of public figures is now applauding and supporting going after regular people for wrong think (I know you like that term). 

    Ugly stuff 

  • @vaportrail said:

    Just going to throw this one out here as our fearless AG says she's going after people for hate speech. Bondi has got to be the biggest turd in the Trump administration. SCOTUS has existing rulings against her shitty legal theory. 

    Image

    You'd think the right wing movement (LibsofTikTok, etc) creating structured doxxing efforts would be bad enough, but instead our own fucked up increasingly fascist administration is on the case 

    The party that cried and cried about the cancellation of public figures is now applauding and supporting going after regular people for wrong think (I know you like that term). 

    Ugly stuff 

    @mld-woody said:

    increasingly fascist administration

    Someone drank the kool aid?

  • Two pictures, two groups of people.

    The top picture is the George Floyd rally, the bottom is Charlie Kirk’s rally.

    Can a Democrat spot the difference? ?

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  • JaxJ Jax

    @mld-woody said:

    increasingly fascist administration

    Someone drank the kool aid?

    @jax said:

    Someone drank the kool aid?

    I won't teach you the definition of words, but I'd suggest you learn a few someday 

  • Can we go back to Matt Gaetz as AG, please? 

  • Tucker with some good stuff, here. 

  • @vaportrail said:

    Tucker with some good stuff, here. 

    Good for you Tucker. You’re still a corny dude though.