Modell did not hose the Browns
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Art Modell didn't screw this city out of a SB Championship, he moved and it took 4 years of drafting and hiring coaches under AN OWNER who wanted to win.
1996 Ravens finished 4-12 and they went to work rebuilding. The Ravens drafted and hired the right people to win on Sundays and won a Super Bowl in 2000.
By selling the Browns , Modell created the economic reality of building a Super Bowl winner in 4 years. Could he have done it in Cleveland? NO. because the city would not support a new stadium which they needed to compete. The city of Cleveland did not understand basic FOOTBALL ECONOMICS.
The Browns were sold but not many of the original Browns players on that team have a Super Bowl Ring. What happened is that the Ravens built from scratch and won under Modell who might be despised in Cleveland but is loved in Baltimore.
What is the difference today as the Ravens lead the AFC North and played in the AFC Championship last year? HIS FOOTPRINT ON WINNING and Lerner has tiny footprints compared to Modell.
We can hire all of the Mangini's and Crennels we want but when an owner wants to win he wins or comes damn close!
Art Modell didn't screw this city out of a SB Championship, he moved and it took 4 years of drafting and hiring coaches under AN OWNER who wanted to win.
1996 Ravens finished 4-12 and they went to work rebuilding. The Ravens drafted and hired the right people to win on Sundays and won a Super Bowl in 2000.
By selling the Browns , Modell created the economic reality of building a Super Bowl winner in 4 years. Could he have done it in Cleveland? NO. because the city would not support a new stadium which they needed to compete. The city of Cleveland did not understand basic FOOTBALL ECONOMICS.
The Browns were sold but not many of the original Browns players on that team have a Super Bowl Ring. What happened is that the Ravens built from scratch and won under Modell who might be despised in Cleveland but is loved in Baltimore.
What is the difference today as the Ravens lead the AFC North and played in the AFC Championship last year? HIS FOOTPRINT ON WINNING and Lerner has tiny footprints compared to Modell.
We can hire all of the Mangini's and Crennels we want but when an owner wants to win he wins or comes damn close!
I don't understand the football economics of how a new stadium helps the team compete. Can you elaborate?
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We don't need a history lesson from a ratbird fan. That is most certainly NOT how the deal went down, so quiet yourself, boy. Go back to your crack and whores.
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The Ravens won a Super Bowl 4 years after leaving Cleveland..How can you say you hate them?
They didn't steal a Super Bowl winner. They invited an owner who wanted to win to play football for their city..
The Browns have had 10 years to build a winner. Don't blame others for your shortcomings.
Ravens did it in 4 years and now have built a Monster in the AFC..
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This guy has a good point if you put your emotions aside. Owners who WANT to win often do win. Take the Cavs for example. Dan Gilbert has said to Danny Ferry he is willing to spend because he wants to win. Now the Cavs are one of the deepest teams in the NBA.
I'm not trying to defend Modell in any way, I'm just saying owners who want to win, usually win
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well I guess the only question is:
Why was Modell the only owner to get the Browns competing for Super Bowls? 10 years is a decade and the Browns still seem lost without him. Drafting and coaching have been putrid and irresponsible.
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well I guess the only question is:
Why was Modell the only owner to get the Browns competing for Super Bowls? 10 years is a decade and the Browns still seem lost without him. Drafting and coaching have been putrid and irresponsible.
well I guess the only question is:
Why was Modell the only owner to get the Browns competing for Super Bowls? 10 years is a decade and the Browns still seem lost without him. Drafting and coaching have been putrid and irresponsible.
Modell took a team that was winning championships pre-Super Bowl era, decided to fire Paul Brown and the team didn't appear in the NFL's championship game (Now called the Super Bowl) until he took a devil's ransom to move to Baltimore.
I think it's funny how Ravens fans pretend to know the whole story when they didn't even care about Art Modell before 1995. The only stories you guys have to go off of are the ones your cute little media outlets tell.
They don't tell about how Modell botched his deal for facilities at the Gateway complex not once, but twice.
They don't talk about how all Modell wanted was a refirbished stadium for the longest time, but when Baltimore came crawling with the dough, it wasn't enough for him.
They don't talk about the years Municipal Stadium sold out and the Browns selling tons of merchandise and making tons of profit but Modell somehow operated in the negative during the end of the original Browns era. .
This isn't like the Colts move where Baltimore was having trouble filling half the seats before the Colts left.
Get a clue.
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Oh and it took longer than four years to build. You do realize the team was still the browns when they made a deal with the 49ers that allowed the Niners to draft JJ Stokes, right? In return the Browns got a first-rounder from the niners in the following draft - That pick turned out to be the Ravens second ever NFL draft selection - Ray Lewis.
The pieces were already there for you.
The announcement of the move itself plummeted the team so bad that it went from being considered a Super Bowl contender to allowing the Ravens to select Jonathan Ogden with their first pick.
So yeah, you can pretty much than the Browns for helping you build a Super Bowl team.
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Art Modell didn't screw this city out of a SB Championship, he moved and it took 4 years of drafting and hiring coaches under AN OWNER who wanted to win.
1996 Ravens finished 4-12 and they went to work rebuilding. The Ravens drafted and hired the right people to win on Sundays and won a Super Bowl in 2000.
By selling the Browns , Modell created the economic reality of building a Super Bowl winner in 4 years. Could he have done it in Cleveland? NO. because the city would not support a new stadium which they needed to compete. The city of Cleveland did not understand basic FOOTBALL ECONOMICS.
The Browns were sold but not many of the original Browns players on that team have a Super Bowl Ring. What happened is that the Ravens built from scratch and won under Modell who might be despised in Cleveland but is loved in Baltimore.
What is the difference today as the Ravens lead the AFC North and played in the AFC Championship last year? HIS FOOTPRINT ON WINNING and Lerner has tiny footprints compared to Modell.
We can hire all of the Mangini's and Crennels we want but when an owner wants to win he wins or comes damn close!
I don't understand the football economics of how a new stadium helps the team compete. Can you elaborate?
I don't understand the football economics of how a new stadium helps the team compete. Can you elaborate?
Since you must have missed my question, please explain how building a new stadium helps make a team competitive when that team is already raking in money hand-over-fist.
It's one thing when it increases revenues, allowing a team to acquire players they couldn't have because of money, but the Browns were not in that situation.
In fact, no team in the NFL is in that position - they simply can't sign everyone they want because of the cap, not because they don't have enough money.
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I'm sure if balt. didn't get the Browns that this ravens guy would be SOOOO understanding when the INDIANAPOLIS COLTS won the super bowl. Naw, there wouldn't be any hard feelings I'm sure....pfffft
I guess he's either too young or has developed amnesia about what it feels like when your team leaves town.
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Oh and it took longer than four years to build. You do realize the team was still the browns when they made a deal with the 49ers that allowed the Niners to draft JJ Stokes, right? In return the Browns got a first-rounder from the niners in the following draft - That pick turned out to be the Ravens second ever NFL draft selection - Ray Lewis.
The pieces were already there for you.
The announcement of the move itself plummeted the team so bad that it went from being considered a Super Bowl contender to allowing the Ravens to select Jonathan Ogden with their first pick.
So yeah, you can pretty much than the Browns for helping you build a Super Bowl team.
Oh and it took longer than four years to build. You do realize the team was still the browns when they made a deal with the 49ers that allowed the Niners to draft JJ Stokes, right? In return the Browns got a first-rounder from the niners in the following draft - That pick turned out to be the Ravens second ever NFL draft selection - Ray Lewis.
The pieces were already there for you.
The announcement of the move itself plummeted the team so bad that it went from being considered a Super Bowl contender to allowing the Ravens to select Jonathan Ogden with their first pick.
So yeah, you can pretty much than the Browns for helping you build a Super Bowl team.
Ray Lewis was drafted by Baltimore. The Browns would have passed on Ray Lewis like they passed on Adrian Peterson, Big Gay Ben, etc.. The Browns were not going to any Super Bowls soon so Modell took a group of guys elsewhere and won.. Don't blame a winner because the Browns have been 10 year losers.. 10 years is a long time to keep making excuses. Get over Modell and wise up already.
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Oh and it took longer than four years to build. You do realize the team was still the browns when they made a deal with the 49ers that allowed the Niners to draft JJ Stokes, right? In return the Browns got a first-rounder from the niners in the following draft - That pick turned out to be the Ravens second ever NFL draft selection - Ray Lewis.
The pieces were already there for you.
The announcement of the move itself plummeted the team so bad that it went from being considered a Super Bowl contender to allowing the Ravens to select Jonathan Ogden with their first pick.
So yeah, you can pretty much than the Browns for helping you build a Super Bowl team.
Ray Lewis was drafted by Baltimore. The Browns would have passed on Ray Lewis like they passed on Adrian Peterson, Big Gay Ben, etc.. The Browns were not going to any Super Bowls soon so Modell took a group of guys elsewhere and won.. Don't blame a winner because the Browns have been 10 year losers.. 10 years is a long time to keep making excuses. Get over Modell and wise up already.
Ray Lewis was drafted by Baltimore. The Browns would have passed on Ray Lewis like they passed on Adrian Peterson, Big Gay Ben, etc.. The Browns were not going to any Super Bowls soon so Modell took a group of guys elsewhere and won.. Don't blame a winner because the Browns have been 10 year losers.. 10 years is a long time to keep making excuses. Get over Modell and wise up already.
I didn't say Ray Lewis wasn't drafted by Baltimore, I said the Browns set that pick up for you and if you truly don't think they did then I have some ocean property in Yuma that you would love. I can see that B-more education lacks the teaching of reading comprehension. Perhaps if I wrote on the back of a bottle of antibiotics or a crack pipe you could undeerstand it more.
And don't forget douchebag, you started this thread. Don't tell us to get over it. you're the one who is on the board and riding the jock of one pathetic franchise.
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Ozzie Newsome (the former Brown) - not Modell - is the reason that the Ravens made it to the Super Bowl and continue to do well .... which, by the way, would have happened if the Browns stayed in Cleveland so don't give me that line if crap about how the team only won because they moved to Baltimore.
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well I guess the only question is:
Why was Modell the only owner to get the Browns competing for Super Bowls? 10 years is a decade and the Browns still seem lost without him. Drafting and coaching have been putrid and irresponsible.
Modell took a team that was winning championships pre-Super Bowl era, decided to fire Paul Brown and the team didn't appear in the NFL's championship game (Now called the Super Bowl) until he took a devil's ransom to move to Baltimore.
I think it's funny how Ravens fans pretend to know the whole story when they didn't even care about Art Modell before 1995. The only stories you guys have to go off of are the ones your cute little media outlets tell.
They don't tell about how Modell botched his deal for facilities at the Gateway complex not once, but twice.
They don't talk about how all Modell wanted was a refirbished stadium for the longest time, but when Baltimore came crawling with the dough, it wasn't enough for him.
They don't talk about the years Municipal Stadium sold out and the Browns selling tons of merchandise and making tons of profit but Modell somehow operated in the negative during the end of the original Browns era. .
This isn't like the Colts move where Baltimore was having trouble filling half the seats before the Colts left.
Get a clue.
Modell took a team that was winning championships pre-Super Bowl era, decided to fire Paul Brown and the team didn't appear in the NFL's championship game (Now called the Super Bowl) until he took a devil's ransom to move to Baltimore.
I think it's funny how Ravens fans pretend to know the whole story when they didn't even care about Art Modell before 1995. The only stories you guys have to go off of are the ones your cute little media outlets tell.
They don't tell about how Modell botched his deal for facilities at the Gateway complex not once, but twice.
They don't talk about how all Modell wanted was a refirbished stadium for the longest time, but when Baltimore came crawling with the dough, it wasn't enough for him.
They don't talk about the years Municipal Stadium sold out and the Browns selling tons of merchandise and making tons of profit but Modell somehow operated in the negative during the end of the original Browns era. .
This isn't like the Colts move where Baltimore was having trouble filling half the seats before the Colts left.
Get a clue.
AZ is this why Fart reasoned that he was "shut out" of the stadium deal and left for Bwhore with his ultimatum? [which he never allowed for Cleveland to compete?]
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Oh and it took longer than four years to build. You do realize the team was still the browns when they made a deal with the 49ers that allowed the Niners to draft JJ Stokes, right? In return the Browns got a first-rounder from the niners in the following draft - That pick turned out to be the Ravens second ever NFL draft selection - Ray Lewis.
The pieces were already there for you.
The announcement of the move itself plummeted the team so bad that it went from being considered a Super Bowl contender to allowing the Ravens to select Jonathan Ogden with their first pick.
So yeah, you can pretty much than the Browns for helping you build a Super Bowl team.
Ray Lewis was drafted by Baltimore. The Browns would have passed on Ray Lewis like they passed on Adrian Peterson, Big Gay Ben, etc.. The Browns were not going to any Super Bowls soon so Modell took a group of guys elsewhere and won.. Don't blame a winner because the Browns have been 10 year losers.. 10 years is a long time to keep making excuses. Get over Modell and wise up already.
Ray Lewis was drafted by Baltimore. The Browns would have passed on Ray Lewis like they passed on Adrian Peterson, Big Gay Ben, etc.. The Browns were not going to any Super Bowls soon so Modell took a group of guys elsewhere and won.. Don't blame a winner because the Browns have been 10 year losers.. 10 years is a long time to keep making excuses. Get over Modell and wise up already.
Ray Lewis was drafted by Ozzie Newsome
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Ozzie Newsome (the former Brown) - not Modell - is the reason that the Ravens made it to the Super Bowl and continue to do well .... which, by the way, would have happened if the Browns stayed in Cleveland so don't give me that line if crap about how the team only won because they moved to Baltimore.
Ozzie Newsome (the former Brown) - not Modell - is the reason that the Ravens made it to the Super Bowl and continue to do well .... which, by the way, would have happened if the Browns stayed in Cleveland so don't give me that line if crap about how the team only won because they moved to Baltimore.
No way the browns did the same thing as the Ravens FOUR YEARS later. Nope. Your argument is moot.
The Browns Hired horrible people under new ownership and drafted like crap.
Al Lerner hired Carmen Policy and Dwight Clark and Chris Palmer.
The Hired Butch Davis.
Then Hired Romoe Crennel and Phil Savage.
Then hired Mangini.
Would this have happened under Modell's watch? NO! The Browns were sold because another city saw a Super Bowl and had the plan in place to get there.
10 years of crying = not much to talk about.
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Go away, & root for your Ratbirds. You are sorely uneducated on Art Modell & his dealings here in Cleveland. It took Steve Biscotti's $$ and Ozzie Newsome's brilliance to help your franchise turn around.
Art Modell tried, but was in way over his head in managing a business. He was a meddling owner long before guys like Jerry Jones & Dan Snyder, and had to be in the limelight at all times while he was here (that's a big reason why he fired Paul Brown).
Baltimore got the shaft from Irsay, then the shaft from the NFL when the NFL expanded into Carolina & Jacksonville. Art jumped all over the opportunity to get the Baltimore market, and his buddies in ownership welcomed it (with the exception of Rooney & Ralph Wilson). Art botched business in a football mad city/region- that is really hard to do.
Those are the cliff notes...if you need more info, I suggest you read "False Start," "The Paul Brown Story, " and other books pertaining to the move.
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you drafted Tim Couch #1
Brady Quinn first round
Winslow first round.
passed on Rothelisberger
passed on Adrian Peterson
It is no one's fault you cannot draft. you passed on too many players and now are drafting linemen who don't have a QB, RB, or receivers and not to mention a marshmellow defense. Is this Modell's fault because he won a Super Bowl 10 years ago and is the dominant AFC team today?
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you drafted Tim Couch #1
Brady Quinn first round
Winslow first round.
passed on Rothelisberger
passed on Adrian Peterson
It is no one's fault you cannot draft. you passed on too many players and now are drafting linemen who don't have a QB, RB, or receivers and not to mention a marshmellow defense. Is this Modell's fault because he won a Super Bowl 10 years ago and is the dominant AFC team today?
you drafted Tim Couch #1
Brady Quinn first round
Winslow first round.
passed on Rothelisberger
passed on Adrian Peterson
It is no one's fault you cannot draft. you passed on too many players and now are drafting linemen who don't have a QB, RB, or receivers and not to mention a marshmellow defense. Is this Modell's fault because he won a Super Bowl 10 years ago and is the dominant AFC team today?
Let me simplify this:
It is Modell fault because he moved the team. If the team was still here, we would still have Ozzie Newsome and thus all the brilliant draft choices and managerial decisions that have made your team good and brought you a SB.
Really, what part of that don't you understand? It isn't rocket science.
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