For the haters

[calfoxwc]

well, I guess we will never know if it's true that Shirley Tiam was a "real tight end" at an lgbqlox college, he/she won't say. This article is one that explains the debacle of the Bucs' game, without Tiam's prissy, arrogant, cherry picked hate-mongering stupid crap.

However, moving on:

I simply said:

"Well, Detroit has lost two games too, but I don't know how the hell they lost any. They dominated the Bucs, destroyed the Bucs run and pass game, Baker didn't have wr's get open until he nearly got hammered or did get hammered.... Injuries took their toll on the Bucs to be able to play much at all against the Lions. Baker just got his butt kicked most of the game,"

https://www.si.com/nfl/buccaneers/news/the-good-bad-and-ugly-from-buccaneers-24-9-loss-to-lions

"Give the Detroit Lions their due — they came into this matchup with the Bucs with guys coming off the street into the secondary. The defensive game plan Lions defensive coordinator Kelvin Sheppard put together was so good that it didn't matter who was out there, as Tampa Bay’s offense was stagnant most of the night and failed to gain any consistent momentum. An unestablished run game, pass protection issues and an off night by Baker Mayfield all help lead to an inept offensive performance. "

"Pass Protection 

Baker Mayfield had a tough game himself, but he had no time in the pocket to let routes develop against a banged-up Detroit secondary.

The Lions were down to backups and guys they signed off the street, yet the Bucs weren’t able to get sustained protection to let plays open up. Charlie Heck was abused most of the night and let up two sacks, including the strip sack. Alim McNeil made his return felt along the interior early, getting the best of Graham Barton as the Bucs' interior was buffeted all night long. No one was spared though, as even Tristan Wirfs was beat on an impressive spin move by Aidan Hutchinson. The Bucs tried to get things going in the screen game but had little success. "

"Baker Mayfield 

Mayfield was off on Monday night, and as I alluded to, the pass protection wasn’t exactly ideal to work with. The Lions had an excellent defensive game plan, mixing looks of zone and man coverage disguises to keep Mayfield guessing, and for the most part, it worked. Mayfield was under constant duress, and that led to him making some tough throws off platform, but he overthrew Egbuka and underthrew him on several throws. 

He sailed a ball too high on one play and missed a wide-open Tez Johnson in the endzone on another. He had a tough interception right before halftime. His pass to Otton was late and behind him and was wrestled away by Arthur Maulett. Then, in the fourth quarter trying to put together a comeback, he had the ball punched out and the Bucs were lucky to recover.

He finished the day going 28 of 50 for 228 yards, a touchdown, an interception and a fumble."

Give the Detroit Lions their due — they came into this matchup with the Bucs with guys coming off the street into the secondary. The defensive game plan Lions defensive coordinator Kelvin Sheppard put together was so good that it didn't matter who was out there, as Tampa Bay’s offense was stagnant most of the night and failed to gain any consistent momentum. An unestablished run game, pass protection issues and an off night by Baker Mayfield all help lead to an inept offensive performance. "

[Axe]

Cal, the Bucs beat Det in Detroit last yr. Why? They came to play..

 They laid their yearly predictable primetime egg Mon night and got their asses kicked.. Plain and simple.. Yes, there were some bad and no calls but phhht.. That's every NFL game anymore it seems.. They simply weren't ready and the Lions were loaded for Bear.. No pun intended

Baker played like shit and he knows it..

My biggest concern is the number of batted down passes suddenly.

Go Browns!!

Go Bucs!!

[calfoxwc]

@axe said:

Cal, the Bucs beat Det in Detroit last yr. Why? They came to play..

 They laid their yearly predictable primetime egg Mon night and got their asses kicked.. Plain and simple.. Yes, there were some bad and no calls but phhht.. That's every NFL game anymore it seems.. They simply weren't ready and the Lions were loaded for Bear.. No pun intended

Baker played like shit and he knows it..

My biggest concern is the number of batted down passes suddenly.

Go Browns!!

Go Bucs!!

yep. Baker knows it. I figure the batted passes was because the Lions defensive line shoved the Bucs oline back into Baker way too quick. It was a disaster. I watched it on record, but it was so bad, I deleted it. Detroit is a dominant team - I find it tough to understand how they have lost two games. The Bucs were humiliated. The backup Lion safeties and cbs? wow. That is serious depth - they played like they were the starters.

[Flugel]

@calfoxwc said:

yep. Baker knows it. I figure the batted passes was because the Lions defensive line shoved the Bucs oline back into Baker way too quick. It was a disaster. I watched it on record, but it was so bad, I deleted it. Detroit is a dominant team - I find it tough to understand how they have lost two games. The Bucs were humiliated. The backup Lion safeties and cbs? wow. That is serious depth - they played like they were the starters.

Patrick Mahomes beat that same Detroit team 30-14 a little over a week ago.  Much of that had to do with a 2-3 Chiefs team needing the win more than a 4-1 Lions team heading into that matchup.  Stuff like that & gotta win situations has a way of sharpening your preparation and focus regardless of how many guys are injured. 1 week later, it was the Lions needing the win more at home.

Also, as banged up as Detroit was the other night in the secondary - they only had something like 4 defensive starters left when they entered the playoffs last year.  That was only because they got 2 guys back healthy enough to play.  Not trying to belittle TB's playoff victory last year; but I'll bet Baker can tell the difference in time to throw when Detroit has a healthy Aidan Hutchinson relentlessly pressuring/sacking him vrs no Aidan Hutchinson in the lineup.  I can't believe how good that guy is playing coming off that brutal injury he had last year.  On the other hand, in the game Monday Night - the Bucs' offense really missed RB Bucky Irving's reliability in the running game and short passing game as a prong of attack they've counted on this year.  That guy was lighting it up.

I live in the Tampa area so it's easy to keep up to date with what's happening.

ESPN

https://www.espn.com › nfl › recap › gameId

 

Oct 13, 2025 — Mahomes threw for 257 yards and three touchdowns, scrambled for another score, and led Kansas City to a 30-17 victory that was so comprehensive ...

[calfoxwc]

[syd]

@calfoxwc said:

is that a lbgt flag behind him ?

[calfoxwc]

@syd said:

is that a lbgt flag behind him ?

I don't think so. Just a...eh..... prism reflection from the stands.....lol

[calfoxwc]

another win.

Baker Mayfield leads undefeated Buccaneers to another thrilling victory, 29-27 over winless Jets

ByAP

Updated: Sep 22, 2025, 12:01 am

 

TAMPA, Fla. -- — Baker Mayfield led the Buccaneers to another thrilling finish, ensuring Tampa Bay's best start in 20 years.

[calfoxwc]

and then there is the classic

"we hate Baker, he sucks, he's too short".

Baker is 6'1".

Gabriel is 5'11".

Baker haters don't care.

so, there ya go.

[Ibleedbrown]

@calfoxwc said:

another win.

Baker Mayfield leads undefeated Buccaneers to another thrilling victory, 29-27 over winless Jets

ByAP

Updated: Sep 22, 2025, 12:01 am

TAMPA, Fla. -- — Baker Mayfield led the Buccaneers to another thrilling finish, ensuring Tampa Bay's best start in 20 years.

Sep. 22? What’s going on here man? Did you just feverishly Google “Buccaneers win?” 

[tiamat63]

@calfoxwc said:

another win.

Baker Mayfield leads undefeated Buccaneers to another thrilling victory, 29-27 over winless Jets

ByAP

Updated: Sep 22, 2025, 12:01 am

TAMPA, Fla. -- — Baker Mayfield led the Buccaneers to another thrilling finish, ensuring Tampa Bay's best start in 20 years.

6:15pm in the fall.

"Sundown, you'd better take care"....

[Dutch Oven]

This is embarrassing. ?

Someone needs to take the laptop away from the Sundown Kid before he starts posting post game victory write ups of Baker at Texas Tech. 

[Ibleedbrown]

The “winless Jets” part stood out. They literally got their 1st win in dramatic fashion against the Bengals yesterday.  

[Reality]

@calfoxwc said:

and then there is the classic

"we hate Baker, he sucks, he's too short".

Baker is 6'1".

Gabriel is 5'11".

Baker haters don't care.

so, there ya go.

Baker is less than 6'1" unless he has magically grown since he was measured at the senior bowl and the combine. 

Browns fans across the board (including this board) have flagged Gabriel's height as an issue.  So let's not pretend there has been some double standard applied. 

[TexasAg1969]

@tiamat63 said:

6:15pm in the fall.

"Sundown, you'd better take care"....

More like Sundowner, you'd better take care. It's what the elderly do as dementia sets in.? 

https://www.alzheimers.org.uk/about-dementia/stages-and-symptoms/dementia-symptoms/sundowning

[Dutch Oven]

@texasag1969 said:

More like Sundowner, you'd better take care. It's what the elderly do as dementia sets in.? 

https://www.alzheimers.org.uk/about-dementia/stages-and-symptoms/dementia-symptoms/sundowning

tia suggested a week or two ago that cal might have Sundowners, which of course caused me to post the Gordon Lightfoot song and of course start to call cal "The Sundown Kid". ?

[Axe]

Guys, I'm a Bucs/Browns fan living 50 miles south of Tampa. I saw Jim Brown play in person..

I am glad the Bucs have Baker. Is he the second coming of Brady? Nope, but he damn sure isn't the second coming of Dilfer either.. 

The Bucs have won the NFCS 4 yrs in a row. 2 with Baker at the helm..

I'll take it...

Having said that .

Now, dear Lord, please let me see my Browns win a Lombardy in my lifetime please..

Amen

[Reality]

@texasag1969 said:

More like Sundowner, you'd better take care. It's what the elderly do as dementia sets in.? 

https://www.alzheimers.org.uk/about-dementia/stages-and-symptoms/dementia-symptoms/sundowning

Did you really just pull "I'm rubber you're glue"/"i know you are but what am i"....

[Reality]

@axe said:

Guys, I'm a Bucs/Browns fan living 50 miles south of Tampa. I saw Jim Brown play in person..

I am glad the Bucs have Baker. Is he the second coming of Brady? Nope, but he damn sure isn't the second coming of Dilfer either.. 

The Bucs have won the NFCS 4 yrs in a row. 2 with Baker at the helm.. 'll take it...

Having said .

Now, dear Lord, pease let me see my Browns win a Lombardy in my lifetime please..

Amen

While I would certainly love to see the Browns winning the AFCN 4 years in a row, winning a division with records of 9-7 and 8-9 are not exactly things to write home about.  The NFCS has been a pretty bad division where winning it is a very low bar to clear.

No doubt Baker is a guy who can start for an NFL team, and do so for many years.

[Axe]

@reality said:

While I would certainly love to see the Browns winning the AFCN 4 years in a row, winning a division with records of 9-7 and 8-9 are not exactly things to write home about.  The NFCS has been a pretty bad division where winning it is a very low bar to clear.

No doubt Baker is a guy who can start for an NFL team, and do so for many years.

Let's be realistic

The Browns would not have won the NFCS anytime in the recent past. 

The Bucs possess two Lombardi's

Our Brown's have zero.. ?

That's reality............