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  • Browns Injury Report

    • OL Joel Bitonio - Rest - Limited
    • DT Maliek Collins - Rest - Limited
    • OL Jack Conklin - Knee - Limited
    • S Grant Delpit - Elbow - Full
    • QB Dillon Gabriel - Concussion - DNP
    • DE Myles Garrett - Rest - Limited
    • TE David Njoku - Knee - DNP
    • OL Cam Robinson - Knee - Limited
    • DE Alex Wright - Quad - DNP
    • CB Denzel Ward - Rest - Limited

    Conklin and Robinson left Week 11 with injuries, but it is a good sign they were back on the field for Wednesday’s practice. Njoku has been listed with a knee issue the last few years, so his will be an important one to watch.  Did they really mean 'years' ?  🙂 

    Raiders Injury Report

    • DT Jonah Laulu - Ribs - Limited

    That is the whole list for Las Vegas, a backup defensive tackle being limited.

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  • @jax said:

    I was going for the losses then we started beating the crap out of the Ravens and I was enjoying it too much to care about the draft anymore.

    Still got the loss so it all worked out.

    I feel you. I’m hardwired and unable to root against the Browns. Stupid family curse…

    @ibleedbrown said:

    I feel you. I’m hardwired and unable to root against the Browns. Stupid family curse…

    This lifelong Aggie feels your pain. Grandfather, father, older brother, etc. Last national champion was my father's freshman year. A late awarded one was the undefeated 1919 team. Shoulda had one in 1957 but Bear Bryant declared he was going to Bama when we were 8-0, 9-0-1 prior season and #1 in the country. Lost the next 3 by 6 point total. Only reward was Crow getting the Heisman.

  • @bob806 said:

    The bundling & trading accumulated picks hasn't worked out well in the past. 

    I get the gist of what you are saying Bob, in general it hasn't.

    But it did last draft, and it can pay off again this coming draft.

    Trading down with Jacksonville and taking a player in Mason Graham, picking up a high second rounder that became Quinshon Judkins worked out swimmingly. Travis Hunter was treading water his rookie season before suffering a season-ending injury. Graham and Judkins are guys to build around.

    And we get Jacksonville's first rounder this coming April. 

    @dutch-oven said:

    I get the gist of what you are saying Bob, in general it hasn't.

    But it did last draft, and it can pay off again this coming draft.

    Trading down with Jacksonville and taking a player in Mason Graham, picking up a high second rounder that became Quinshon Judkins worked out swimmingly. Travis Hunter was treading water his rookie season before suffering a season-ending injury. Graham and Judkins are guys to build around.

    And we get Jacksonville's first rounder this coming April. 

    I read on X/Twitter that the addition of former Brown DQwell Jackson considerably improved our scouting and led to this year's successful draft. Don't know how true that actually is but if they repeat the success this upcoming draft then we're onto something.

  • @dutch-oven said:

    I get the gist of what you are saying Bob, in general it hasn't.

    But it did last draft, and it can pay off again this coming draft.

    Trading down with Jacksonville and taking a player in Mason Graham, picking up a high second rounder that became Quinshon Judkins worked out swimmingly. Travis Hunter was treading water his rookie season before suffering a season-ending injury. Graham and Judkins are guys to build around.

    And we get Jacksonville's first rounder this coming April. 

    I read on X/Twitter that the addition of former Brown DQwell Jackson considerably improved our scouting and led to this year's successful draft. Don't know how true that actually is but if they repeat the success this upcoming draft then we're onto something.

    @mddawg said:

    I read on X/Twitter that the addition of former Brown DQwell Jackson considerably improved our scouting and led to this year's successful draft. Don't know how true that actually is but if they repeat the success this upcoming draft then we're onto something.

    I loved D'Qwell, but the most ironic thing ever about him is he intercepted Tom Brady, and Deflate Gate was born. 

    He rarely got an interception in Cleveland, but he was a reliable tackler for sure.

  • @mddawg said:

    I read on X/Twitter that the addition of former Brown DQwell Jackson considerably improved our scouting and led to this year's successful draft. Don't know how true that actually is but if they repeat the success this upcoming draft then we're onto something.

    I loved D'Qwell, but the most ironic thing ever about him is he intercepted Tom Brady, and Deflate Gate was born. 

    He rarely got an interception in Cleveland, but he was a reliable tackler for sure.

    @bob806 said:

    I loved D'Qwell, but the most ironic thing ever about him is he intercepted Tom Brady, and Deflate Gate was born. 

    He rarely got an interception in Cleveland, but he was a reliable tackler for sure.

    He wasn't that fastest LB I ever saw but he sure played his ass off.. He was a good guy too..

  • @dutch-oven said:

    I get the gist of what you are saying Bob, in general it hasn't.

    But it did last draft, and it can pay off again this coming draft.

    Trading down with Jacksonville and taking a player in Mason Graham, picking up a high second rounder that became Quinshon Judkins worked out swimmingly. Travis Hunter was treading water his rookie season before suffering a season-ending injury. Graham and Judkins are guys to build around.

    And we get Jacksonville's first rounder this coming April. 

    I read on X/Twitter that the addition of former Brown DQwell Jackson considerably improved our scouting and led to this year's successful draft. Don't know how true that actually is but if they repeat the success this upcoming draft then we're onto something.

    @mddawg said:

    I read on X/Twitter that the addition of former Brown DQwell Jackson considerably improved our scouting and led to this year's successful draft. Don't know how true that actually is but if they repeat the success this upcoming draft then we're onto something.

    I remember when someone acknowledged the difference in D'Qwell's game.  He always made a lot of tackles.  Having said that, he started making a lot more of them at the point of attack in lieu of doings so 15-20 yards down field in pursuit.  He made it a point to acknowledge former N.O. Saint Lber Scott Fujita (after he joined the Browns) helped him read his keys better in the film room and identify certain traits from OL tipping off plays within expected tendencies for various downs and distances.  That not only improved his 1st step instinct; but it also helped him to trust it/stay confident in it.  Without all that - he would have just been another Wali Rainier making a lot of tackles too far downfield imo...

  • @bob806 said:

    I loved D'Qwell, but the most ironic thing ever about him is he intercepted Tom Brady, and Deflate Gate was born. 

    He rarely got an interception in Cleveland, but he was a reliable tackler for sure.

    He wasn't that fastest LB I ever saw but he sure played his ass off.. He was a good guy too..

    @nickers said:

    He wasn't that fastest LB I ever saw but he sure played his ass off.. He was a good guy too..

    One of the many that played with 100% heart.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D'Qwell_Jackson

  • Ruled Out for the game are:  Dillon Gabriel, Jamari Thrash, Alex Wright.    Conklin is Questionable.

    For WR's Sanders will have Judy & Tillman to throw to.  And a bunch of guys who won't be on the team next year. But the sad thing is, he'd probably be more comfortable with those bottom of the roster WR's because that's who he's probably been throwing to all season.

  • @orion said:

    WE DON'T WANT TO FUCKING LOSE!   But we HAVE TO....for the future betterment of the team that we love.  

    I don't care if it's Shedeur, Gabriel, whomever....I'd just like to see an NFL offense that scores points, brings home a W.

    The bundling & trading accumulated picks hasn't worked out well in the past. We know hitting on a franchise QB in the draft is less than 50% league wide; here it's more like 5%.

    Get the W. Drafting 1st, 4th, 9th, to me it doesn't matter. Just my 2 cents.

    @bob806 said:

    I don't care if it's Shedeur, Gabriel, whomever....I'd just like to see an NFL offense that scores points, brings home a W.

    The bundling & trading accumulated picks hasn't worked out well in the past. We know hitting on a franchise QB in the draft is less than 50% league wide; here it's more like 5%.

    Get the W. Drafting 1st, 4th, 9th, to me it doesn't matter. Just my 2 cents.

    That's a good point Bob.  I used to hate hearing we needed to lose for a better draft pick. As this year started to unfold I thought I could hope we lose our way for the right to draft 1st overall; but this year was the only great draft I've seen from Berry so why?  Not for nothing, it was nice to see the defense having a blast and enjoying their domination of an opponent together yesterday.  You're right - THIS TEAM needed to win to feel like that.  I want Myles Garrett to be happy he's here playing for a DC he respects while being turned loose for sic em, sock em and sack em.  This whole front 7 played well and had fun.  Rookie LB Carson Schwesinger was amazing as always.

    Offensively, they played hard and it was nice to see Sanders make some plays. Other rookies that played well were Fannin, Judkins and Sampson.  Okay, maybe that warrants a little more confidence in Berry than I have been trained to give him in recent years.  More specifically, your buddy Flugel is a confused work in progress.

  • @bob806 said:

    I don't care if it's Shedeur, Gabriel, whomever....I'd just like to see an NFL offense that scores points, brings home a W.

    The bundling & trading accumulated picks hasn't worked out well in the past. We know hitting on a franchise QB in the draft is less than 50% league wide; here it's more like 5%.

    Get the W. Drafting 1st, 4th, 9th, to me it doesn't matter. Just my 2 cents.

    That's a good point Bob.  I used to hate hearing we needed to lose for a better draft pick. As this year started to unfold I thought I could hope we lose our way for the right to draft 1st overall; but this year was the only great draft I've seen from Berry so why?  Not for nothing, it was nice to see the defense having a blast and enjoying their domination of an opponent together yesterday.  You're right - THIS TEAM needed to win to feel like that.  I want Myles Garrett to be happy he's here playing for a DC he respects while being turned loose for sic em, sock em and sack em.  This whole front 7 played well and had fun.  Rookie LB Carson Schwesinger was amazing as always.

    Offensively, they played hard and it was nice to see Sanders make some plays. Other rookies that played well were Fannin, Judkins and Sampson.  Okay, maybe that warrants a little more confidence in Berry than I have been trained to give him in recent years.  More specifically, your buddy Flugel is a confused work in progress.

    @flugel said:

    More specifically, your buddy Flugel is a confused work in progress.

    ?

    No doubt, I think rooting for the Browns is definitely surfing through the waves of confusion, rage, passion ( probably every fan of any team out there). 

    I'm seriously on the fence on Stefanski. One hand says keep him, as until this season he was pretty damn good vs the division. The other hand is thinking it's like the Cavs & Lenny Wilkens...good coach but maybe the voice/ leader is getting stale, a fresh perspective might be needed. I'm torn.

    Cheers. Happy Thanksgiving to you & all Browns fans. 

  • @flugel said:

    More specifically, your buddy Flugel is a confused work in progress.

    ?

    No doubt, I think rooting for the Browns is definitely surfing through the waves of confusion, rage, passion ( probably every fan of any team out there). 

    I'm seriously on the fence on Stefanski. One hand says keep him, as until this season he was pretty damn good vs the division. The other hand is thinking it's like the Cavs & Lenny Wilkens...good coach but maybe the voice/ leader is getting stale, a fresh perspective might be needed. I'm torn.

    Cheers. Happy Thanksgiving to you & all Browns fans. 

    @bob806 said:

    ?

    No doubt, I think rooting for the Browns is definitely surfing through the waves of confusion, rage, passion ( probably every fan of any team out there). 

    I'm seriously on the fence in Stefanski. One hand says keep him, as until this season he was pretty damn good vs the division. The other hand is thinking it's like the Cavs & Lenny Wilkens...good coach but maybe the voice/ leader is getting stale, a fresh perspective might be needed. I'm torn.

    Cheers. Happy Thanksgiving to you & all Browns fans. 

    Thanks!  Back at ya Bob!