5 QB’s In The Room
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And here would be my question. Are we certain that any QB we draft in 2026 would be any better than a healthy DW? My answer would be no, we are not sure because we know he had success in Houston already. Get him a decent OL and then see what the questions are from there. We improved our DL in one off season and draft. FO needs to do the same with the OL. And I have not been impressed with any of the possible college QB's available in the 2026 draft.
And here would be my question. Are we certain that any QB we draft in 2026 would be any better than a healthy DW? My answer would be no, we are not sure because we know he had success in Houston already. Get him a decent OL and then see what the questions are from there. We improved our DL in one off season and draft. FO needs to do the same with the OL. And I have not been impressed with any of the possible college QB's available in the 2026 draft.
I have zero interest watching Kevin Stefanski and Deshaun Watson try to work together again.
If Stefanski gets fired, the only thing I would get out of Watson starting for the Browns would be seeing the selective moral outrage from the dark corner of this board all up in their feelings again.
But seriously, just no. I'd rather them roll out Sanders all next season and see if he's possibly starting QB material or do the Browns need to draft a QB in the '27 Draft.
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And here would be my question. Are we certain that any QB we draft in 2026 would be any better than a healthy DW? My answer would be no, we are not sure because we know he had success in Houston already. Get him a decent OL and then see what the questions are from there. We improved our DL in one off season and draft. FO needs to do the same with the OL. And I have not been impressed with any of the possible college QB's available in the 2026 draft.
And here would be my question. Are we certain that any QB we draft in 2026 would be any better than a healthy DW? My answer would be no, we are not sure because we know he had success in Houston already. Get him a decent OL and then see what the questions are from there. We improved our DL in one off season and draft. FO needs to do the same with the OL. And I have not been impressed with any of the possible college QB's available in the 2026 draft.
If the Browns are going to continue to pretend they're all set at Offensive Tackle - nobody is going to work at QB. How many games do we have to watch from Flacco to Gabriel to Sanders to see a WR Corps without a legit #1 WR without ANY pass pro from the Tackles. The sum of crap is none of our WRs get open immediately to bail QBs out of the hopelessness. NEXT YEAR, maybe people will listen to me when I say we need to improve LT (as well as RT).
I understand Dawand Jones went to Ohio State; BUT I also understand they were smart enough to realize that ain't a LT or a high effort guy. Bill Callahan's reaction to Jones showing up at about 400 pounds to his 1st NFL Training Camp was this is your response to getting an ideal opportunity in the NFL? That's not an inner chest a REAL FO would lean on but here they are 3 IR visits later summing up surgery went well we hope he returns to pre-injury form (countless all you can eat buffets?). Good luck with that...
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And here would be my question. Are we certain that any QB we draft in 2026 would be any better than a healthy DW? My answer would be no, we are not sure because we know he had success in Houston already. Get him a decent OL and then see what the questions are from there. We improved our DL in one off season and draft. FO needs to do the same with the OL. And I have not been impressed with any of the possible college QB's available in the 2026 draft.
I have zero interest watching Kevin Stefanski and Deshaun Watson try to work together again.
If Stefanski gets fired, the only thing I would get out of Watson starting for the Browns would be seeing the selective moral outrage from the dark corner of this board all up in their feelings again.
But seriously, just no. I'd rather them roll out Sanders all next season and see if he's possibly starting QB material or do the Browns need to draft a QB in the '27 Draft.
If Stefanski gets fired, the only thing I would get out of Watson starting for the Browns would be seeing the selective moral outrage from the dark corner of this board all up in their feelings again.
But seriously, just no. I'd rather them roll out Sanders all next season and see if he's possibly starting QB material or do the Browns needs to draft a QB in the '27 Draft.
Geez, you'd think the guy hung out with Epstein for at least 15 years before it got all redacted today.
I'm warming up to the Sanders idea for 2027 because a draft without Offensive Tackles or WRs is like a year without sunshine...
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And here would be my question. Are we certain that any QB we draft in 2026 would be any better than a healthy DW? My answer would be no, we are not sure because we know he had success in Houston already. Get him a decent OL and then see what the questions are from there. We improved our DL in one off season and draft. FO needs to do the same with the OL. And I have not been impressed with any of the possible college QB's available in the 2026 draft.
And here would be my question. Are we certain that any QB we draft in 2026 would be any better than a healthy DW? My answer would be no, we are not sure because we know he had success in Houston already. Get him a decent OL and then see what the questions are from there.
Not that the OL was perfect in 2022, 2023 and 2024... but when we compartmentalize Waton's snaps, there were a great many where he was the primary problem.
Dude might still have it physically, but the question has been between his ears since middle 2023.
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And here would be my question. Are we certain that any QB we draft in 2026 would be any better than a healthy DW? My answer would be no, we are not sure because we know he had success in Houston already. Get him a decent OL and then see what the questions are from there.
Not that the OL was perfect in 2022, 2023 and 2024... but when we compartmentalize Waton's snaps, there were a great many where he was the primary problem.
Dude might still have it physically, but the question has been between his ears since middle 2023.
Not that the OL was perfect in 2022, 2023 and 2024... but when we compartmentalize Waton's snaps, there were a great many where he was the primary problem.
Dude might still have it physically, but the question has been between his ears since middle 2023.
You may be right; but I think he's more of a major symptom of a bigger problem. He's not the disabling disease of the organization but he's disabled from the disease running & ruining this franchise. What ever made him such a gotta have that the Browns made the move to pull the trigger on it all? You probably know this answer better than the Browns did - and therein resides the overall problem. They never knew what type of offense they needed so they square pegged round hole with Stefansky's comfort zone where 100% of his NFL experience was exclusively restricted to the Minnesota Vikings only. When the Browns were still firing OCs and assistants in the 3rd year of the Watson plan - ummm, they had no plan.
Here's the guy playing for Houston (that had a plan for who they drafted) vrs the guy playing for Cleveland (in operation wing it & fling it). It's possible he woke up really dumb QB in Cleveland as speculated by many; but I blame the Browns for making such a move without ever understanding what he excelled at up against his weaknesses. Anyway, 3 of those seasons in Houston below - Houston went to the playoffs with 1 of those seasons including a playoff W vrs Josh Allen & the Bills (due to a last minute drive for the go ahead W). So, at Clemson he faced a Nick Saban Bama defense loaded with NFL prospects and erased a deficit in the closing seconds to lead Clemson to winning the Natty. Nick Saban usually confused Dumb QBs as a former NFL DC with the Browns last playoff team of the 90s and well into his transition from the Big 10 to LSU and then Alabama. Watson wasn't one of them.
Maybe the question we should be asking is why is Cleveland the only team Watson looked like a dumb QB with? That said, I will acknowledge he took way too many sacks for comfort in Houston. In Cleveland he was projecting the same amount of sacks; but he was only surviving 6-7 starts per season.
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And here would be my question. Are we certain that any QB we draft in 2026 would be any better than a healthy DW? My answer would be no, we are not sure because we know he had success in Houston already. Get him a decent OL and then see what the questions are from there.
Not that the OL was perfect in 2022, 2023 and 2024... but when we compartmentalize Waton's snaps, there were a great many where he was the primary problem.
Dude might still have it physically, but the question has been between his ears since middle 2023.
Not that the OL was perfect in 2022, 2023 and 2024... but when we compartmentalize Waton's snaps, there were a great many where he was the primary problem.
Dude might still have it physically, but the question has been between his ears since middle 2023.
I have serious doubts how much gas he has left in his tank physically.
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Personally, I've seen enough of Watson. He plays dumb. He gets himself hurt all the time.....lowering his head and taking on tacklers when running with the ball instead of sliding. I've got no use for a QB like that.
And someone's gotta teach Shedeur the proper sliding technique...but apparently we don't have anyone in the organization that knows how to teach that.
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Regarding Watson:
- this is truly a bad PR move by our beloved Browns-how many gut punches do we fans have to take?
- Watson's brain is fried, totally self-inflicted. Not many people would be strong enough mentally to overcome all the stuff thrown his way. Doubtful he ever recovers, and frankly, only had a moments of his former self here when he did play
- I can't imagine a scenario where he takes the field and fans like it
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Personally, I've seen enough of Watson. He plays dumb. He gets himself hurt all the time.....lowering his head and taking on tacklers when running with the ball instead of sliding. I've got no use for a QB like that.
And someone's gotta teach Shedeur the proper sliding technique...but apparently we don't have anyone in the organization that knows how to teach that.
Personally, I've seen enough of Watson. He plays dumb. He gets himself hurt all the time.....lowering his head and taking on tacklers when running with the ball instead of sliding. I've got no use for a QB like that.
And someone's gotta teach Shedeur the proper sliding technique...but apparently we don't have anyone in the organization that knows how to teach that.
Unfortunately, most of his dumb football is exclusive to Cleveland. After his rookie year, he only missed 1 game and I'm not sure if it was because they already clinched a playoff berth or an injury. During his rookie year he tore an ACL in practices where you can't hit the QB. UH-OH! "HOUSTON, FLUGEL HAS A PROBLEM HERE!" I just solidified your point.
Good point about Shedeur.
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Not that the OL was perfect in 2022, 2023 and 2024... but when we compartmentalize Waton's snaps, there were a great many where he was the primary problem.
Dude might still have it physically, but the question has been between his ears since middle 2023.
I have serious doubts how much gas he has left in his tank physically.
I have serious doubts how much gas he has left in his tank physically.
After knee and Achilles issues, the doubts are warranted. That said, modern medicine is a hell of a thing. When I was a kid, a shredded knee was a death sentence.
What ever made him such a gotta have that the Browns made the move to pull the trigger on it all? You probably know this answer better than the Browns did - and therein resides the overall problem.
Mostly it was his "complete" ability at QB, having a physical and mentally complimentary game. He had great abilities between the ears, then his physical attributes bolstered that.
They never knew what type of offense they needed so they square pegged round hole with Stefansky's comfort zone where 100% of his NFL experience was exclusively restricted to the Minnesota Vikings only. When the Browns were still firing OCs and assistants in the 3rd year of the Watson plan - ummm, they had no plan.
Bringing Watson on board there was a clear shift from the UC/ outside zone and PAP that was 30% of the offense to a more gun-based, vertical zone with more RPO's, glances, post-snap sight adjusts and a high percentage intermediate game. There was also a targeted change in personnel, namely along the OL moving towards bigger bodies that would be working in shorter space. (Think, like Dawand but not quite that scale for every OL target)
I can't agree that there wasn't a sizable conversation on what may have been needed to further tailor the Browns to an offense that more resembled some of what the Texans had run.
It's possible he woke up really dumb QB in Cleveland as speculated by many; but I blame the Browns for making such a move without ever understanding what he excelled at up against his weaknesses. Anyway, 3 of those seasons in Houston below - Houston went to the playoffs with 1 of those seasons including a playoff W vrs Josh Allen & the Bills (due to a last minute drive for the go ahead W).
I don't think he woke up dumb. But when Watson finally looked like he was getting up to speed, he had a season ending injury against Baltimore and never recovered. I was as patient with Watson as anyone, but what he put on film wasn't great. He struggled at times to execute even the most fundamental things.
So, at Clemson he faced a Nick Saban Bama defense loaded with NFL prospects and erased a deficit in the closing seconds to lead Clemson to winning the Natty. Nick Saban usually confused Dumb QBs as a former NFL DC with the Browns last playoff team of the 90s and well into his transition from the Big 10 to LSU and then Alabama. Watson wasn't one of them.
Nick Saban couldn't beat an NFL wash out in Cardale Jones with a 21-6 lead. He couldn't consistently stop Johnny Manziel either. While his defenses are a benchmark, they aren't the end-all.
Maybe the question we should be asking is why is Cleveland the only team Watson looked like a dumb QB with? That said, I will acknowledge he took way too many sacks for comfort in Houston. In Cleveland he was projecting the same amount of sacks; but he was only surviving 6-7 starts per season.
Not enough sample size to look smarter elsewhere? Not saying it isn't possible, just unlikely. He took a lot of sacks in Houston. Some because of the OL, some because he tried too much to play hero ball and to carry the offense.
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I have serious doubts how much gas he has left in his tank physically.
After knee and Achilles issues, the doubts are warranted. That said, modern medicine is a hell of a thing. When I was a kid, a shredded knee was a death sentence.
What ever made him such a gotta have that the Browns made the move to pull the trigger on it all? You probably know this answer better than the Browns did - and therein resides the overall problem.
Mostly it was his "complete" ability at QB, having a physical and mentally complimentary game. He had great abilities between the ears, then his physical attributes bolstered that.
They never knew what type of offense they needed so they square pegged round hole with Stefansky's comfort zone where 100% of his NFL experience was exclusively restricted to the Minnesota Vikings only. When the Browns were still firing OCs and assistants in the 3rd year of the Watson plan - ummm, they had no plan.
Bringing Watson on board there was a clear shift from the UC/ outside zone and PAP that was 30% of the offense to a more gun-based, vertical zone with more RPO's, glances, post-snap sight adjusts and a high percentage intermediate game. There was also a targeted change in personnel, namely along the OL moving towards bigger bodies that would be working in shorter space. (Think, like Dawand but not quite that scale for every OL target)
I can't agree that there wasn't a sizable conversation on what may have been needed to further tailor the Browns to an offense that more resembled some of what the Texans had run.
It's possible he woke up really dumb QB in Cleveland as speculated by many; but I blame the Browns for making such a move without ever understanding what he excelled at up against his weaknesses. Anyway, 3 of those seasons in Houston below - Houston went to the playoffs with 1 of those seasons including a playoff W vrs Josh Allen & the Bills (due to a last minute drive for the go ahead W).
I don't think he woke up dumb. But when Watson finally looked like he was getting up to speed, he had a season ending injury against Baltimore and never recovered. I was as patient with Watson as anyone, but what he put on film wasn't great. He struggled at times to execute even the most fundamental things.
So, at Clemson he faced a Nick Saban Bama defense loaded with NFL prospects and erased a deficit in the closing seconds to lead Clemson to winning the Natty. Nick Saban usually confused Dumb QBs as a former NFL DC with the Browns last playoff team of the 90s and well into his transition from the Big 10 to LSU and then Alabama. Watson wasn't one of them.
Nick Saban couldn't beat an NFL wash out in Cardale Jones with a 21-6 lead. He couldn't consistently stop Johnny Manziel either. While his defenses are a benchmark, they aren't the end-all.
Maybe the question we should be asking is why is Cleveland the only team Watson looked like a dumb QB with? That said, I will acknowledge he took way too many sacks for comfort in Houston. In Cleveland he was projecting the same amount of sacks; but he was only surviving 6-7 starts per season.
Not enough sample size to look smarter elsewhere? Not saying it isn't possible, just unlikely. He took a lot of sacks in Houston. Some because of the OL, some because he tried too much to play hero ball and to carry the offense.
After knee and Achilles issues, the doubts are warranted. That said, modern medicine is a hell of a thing. When I was a kid, a shredded knee was a death sentence.
Mostly it was his "complete" ability at QB, having a physical and mentally complimentary game. He had great abilities between the ears, then his physical attributes bolstered that.
Bringing Watson on board there was a clear shift from the UC/ outside zone and PAP that was 30% of the offense to a more gun-based, vertical zone with more RPO's, glances, post-snap sight adjusts and a high percentage intermediate game. There was also a targeted change in personnel, namely along the OL moving towards bigger bodies that would be working in shorter space. (Think, like Dawand but not quite that scale for every OL target)
I can't agree that there wasn't a sizable conversation on what may have been needed to further tailor the Browns to an offense that more resembled some of what the Texans had run.
I don't think he woke up dumb. But when Watson finally looked like he was getting up to speed, he had a season ending injury against Baltimore and never recovered. I was as patient with Watson as anyone, but what he put on film wasn't great. He struggled at times to execute even the most fundamental things.
Nick Saban couldn't beat an NFL wash out in Cardale Jones with a 21-6 lead. He couldn't consistently stop Johnny Manziel either. While his defenses are a benchmark, they aren't the end-all.
Not enough sample size to look smarter elsewhere? Not saying it isn't possible, just unlikely. He took a lot of sacks in Houston. Some because of the OL, some because he tried too much to play hero ball and to carry the offense.
While I appreciate your points - I'm just frustrated that out of the 3 teams Watson played for at Clemson, Houston and Cleveland - Cleveland was the only one that had enormous trouble coordinating and running the type of offense he was fit to succeed in.
In Houston Watson made 3 Pro Bowls and led that team to the playoffs 3 different times in the first 4 years of the guy's NFL career. I shared the stats; and I agree with you that he took far too many sacks from holding onto the ball too long (like a lot of young QBs - ie; CJ Stroud as recently as last year). Nothing ever unfolded here that made him anywhere near as efficient as he was in Houston. I didn't see the massive effort to strengthen the OL once this trade was made. The Browns were stuck on park with 2 oft-injured Tackles: Wills and Conklin. Having said that, this gave 4th round draft pick OT - Dawand Jones a chance to play RT & LT prior to him ending all 3 of his seasons on IR. Bitonio was already here since 2014; and Teller came via trade with Buffalo in 2019 while Pocic arrived in 2022. The only depth drafted was C - Luke Wypler in round 6 and OG - Zak Zinter in round 3 coming off brutal compound fractures to his Tibia & Fibula in the Ohio State-Michigan game. There's a lot of depreciated value in the OL and all 3 QBs this year have felt it.
Before the NFL per Google, Deshaun Watson had a decorated college career at Clemson from 2014 to 2016, leading the Tigers to the 2016 national championship (played in January 2017) and becoming a two-time Heisman Trophy finalist. He set numerous school records and finished his career with a 32-3 record as a starter.Career Overview and AccomplishmentsWatson's accomplishments at Clemson included leading the team to a national championship victory in the 2016 season against Alabama and being a two-time Heisman finalist. He won the Davey O'Brien Award and the Manning Award multiple times.Career StatisticsOver 38 games, Watson's career statistics included:Statistic Total Passing Yards 10,163 Passing Touchdowns 90 Rushing Yards 1,936 Rushing Touchdowns 26 Completion Percentage 67.4% Watson was known for performing well in significant games. This included setting a school record for passing touchdowns in his first start in 2014 and setting a game record for total offense in the 2015 National Championship. In the 2016 National Championship, he led the game-winning drive against Alabama. For more details on his notable games, visit the Clemson Tigers official athletics site.
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
Remember, Watson had his 27 game sabbatical. He never seemed the same from a processing perspective from his first start and onwards.
Continuing to invest in him from any primary or secondary planning for him to play or play anything like the guy from 6 years ago at this point is thinking digging deeper in a hole is going to get you out of the hole.
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Remember, Watson had his 27 game sabbatical. He never seemed the same from a processing perspective from his first start and onwards.
Continuing to invest in him from any primary or secondary planning for him to play or play anything like the guy from 6 years ago at this point is thinking digging deeper in a hole is going to get you out of the hole.
Remember, Watson had his 27 game sabbatical. He never seemed the same from a processing perspective from his first start and onwards.
Continuing to invest in him from any primary or secondary planning for him to play or play anything like the guy from 6 years ago at this point is thinking digging deeper in a hole is going to get you out of the hole.
I agree, like the line at the end of First Blood:
"It's over Johnny, it's over."
I didn't want the Browns to trade for Watson, because deep down I thought the only way he'd be able to succeed after all the off-field nonsense, all the negativity that surrounded him was if he was a straight-up sociopath. I worried that he'd never be able to move past all the drama in his life, all the chirping in his ears, being hated everywhere he went. Most people/players want to be liked. There are few people who enjoy being the bad guy, and he was the bad guy not because of what he did on the field (like Draymond Green or Bill Laimbeer) but because of what he did off it.
Not only were my worries about this found to be true, but he went from a guy who never missed time with injuries to a guy whose body started failing him - and these weren't minor injuries. His shoulder broke. He tore his Achilles twice.
But wait - there's more: What we never heard until a year or so into his Browns run was stories from Houston on how years into his NFL career he was still always looking towards the sideline for help on what to do. He was pretty much force-fed everything with the Texans. And yes, he was a top 5 QB with Houston, it appears his success was a house of cards. Another giant problem was how poorly paired Watson and Stefanski were.
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Remember, Watson had his 27 game sabbatical. He never seemed the same from a processing perspective from his first start and onwards.
Continuing to invest in him from any primary or secondary planning for him to play or play anything like the guy from 6 years ago at this point is thinking digging deeper in a hole is going to get you out of the hole.
I agree, like the line at the end of First Blood:
"It's over Johnny, it's over."
I didn't want the Browns to trade for Watson, because deep down I thought the only way he'd be able to succeed after all the off-field nonsense, all the negativity that surrounded him was if he was a straight-up sociopath. I worried that he'd never be able to move past all the drama in his life, all the chirping in his ears, being hated everywhere he went. Most people/players want to be liked. There are few people who enjoy being the bad guy, and he was the bad guy not because of what he did on the field (like Draymond Green or Bill Laimbeer) but because of what he did off it.
Not only were my worries about this found to be true, but he went from a guy who never missed time with injuries to a guy whose body started failing him - and these weren't minor injuries. His shoulder broke. He tore his Achilles twice.
But wait - there's more: What we never heard until a year or so into his Browns run was stories from Houston on how years into his NFL career he was still always looking towards the sideline for help on what to do. He was pretty much force-fed everything with the Texans. And yes, he was a top 5 QB with Houston, it appears his success was a house of cards. Another giant problem was how poorly paired Watson and Stefanski were.
I agree, like the line at the end of First Blood:
"It's over Johnny, it's over."
I didn't want the Browns to trade for Watson, because deep down I thought the only way he'd be able to succeed after all the off-field nonsense, all the negativity that surrounded him was if he was a straight-up sociopath. I worried that he'd never be able to move past all the drama in his life, all the chirping in his ears, being hated everywhere he went. Most people/players want to be liked. There are few people who enjoy being the bad guy, and he was the bad guy not because of what he did on the field (like Draymond Green or Bill Laimbeer) but because of what he did off it.
Not only were my worries about this found to be true, but he went from a guy who never missed time with injuries to a guy whose body started failing him - and these weren't minor injuries. His shoulder broke. He tore his Achilles twice.
But wait - there's more: What we never heard until a year or so into his Browns run was stories from Houston on how years into his NFL career he was still always looking towards the sideline for help on what to do. He was pretty much force-fed everything with the Texans. And yes, he was a top 5 QB with Houston, it appears his success was a house of cards. Another giant problem was how poorly paired Watson and Stefanski were.
Good post.
I also felt that all of his sexual/legal problems were going to weigh very heavily on him (or most anyone in that position) and that it could quite possibly affect his football playing future. But I, like the organization's brain trust, had soured on Mayfield...so I didn't complain.
Aside from that, when the trade happened, the back of my brain said to me, "Remember when the Texans came to play us on that rather cold, rainy, not nice day? And he didn't play well. And he actually looked disinterested...like he just wanted to get the hell away from the lousy weather, get on the plane, and go home?" Well, the dumb-ass front of my brain said, "Don't listen to that. He's better than Mayfield".
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Remember, Watson had his 27 game sabbatical. He never seemed the same from a processing perspective from his first start and onwards.
Continuing to invest in him from any primary or secondary planning for him to play or play anything like the guy from 6 years ago at this point is thinking digging deeper in a hole is going to get you out of the hole.
I agree, like the line at the end of First Blood:
"It's over Johnny, it's over."
I didn't want the Browns to trade for Watson, because deep down I thought the only way he'd be able to succeed after all the off-field nonsense, all the negativity that surrounded him was if he was a straight-up sociopath. I worried that he'd never be able to move past all the drama in his life, all the chirping in his ears, being hated everywhere he went. Most people/players want to be liked. There are few people who enjoy being the bad guy, and he was the bad guy not because of what he did on the field (like Draymond Green or Bill Laimbeer) but because of what he did off it.
Not only were my worries about this found to be true, but he went from a guy who never missed time with injuries to a guy whose body started failing him - and these weren't minor injuries. His shoulder broke. He tore his Achilles twice.
But wait - there's more: What we never heard until a year or so into his Browns run was stories from Houston on how years into his NFL career he was still always looking towards the sideline for help on what to do. He was pretty much force-fed everything with the Texans. And yes, he was a top 5 QB with Houston, it appears his success was a house of cards. Another giant problem was how poorly paired Watson and Stefanski were.
I agree, like the line at the end of First Blood:
"It's over Johnny, it's over."
I didn't want the Browns to trade for Watson, because deep down I thought the only way he'd be able to succeed after all the off-field nonsense, all the negativity that surrounded him was if he was a straight-up sociopath. I worried that he'd never be able to move past all the drama in his life, all the chirping in his ears, being hated everywhere he went. Most people/players want to be liked. There are few people who enjoy being the bad guy, and he was the bad guy not because of what he did on the field (like Draymond Green or Bill Laimbeer) but because of what he did off it.
Not only were my worries about this found to be true, but he went from a guy who never missed time with injuries to a guy whose body started failing him - and these weren't minor injuries. His shoulder broke. He tore his Achilles twice.
But wait - there's more: What we never heard until a year or so into his Browns run was stories from Houston on how years into his NFL career he was still always looking towards the sideline for help on what to do. He was pretty much force-fed everything with the Texans. And yes, he was a top 5 QB with Houston, it appears his success was a house of cards. Another giant problem was how poorly paired Watson and Stefanski were.
I have never heard/read any stories on the last part.
On the pairing, I have always felt that was more Watson than Steff. With the skills Watson had, I never understood why he would not want to play in a PA base scheme that made it easier for him. As fat as I am concerned PA from the gun doesn't do much
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I agree, like the line at the end of First Blood:
"It's over Johnny, it's over."
I didn't want the Browns to trade for Watson, because deep down I thought the only way he'd be able to succeed after all the off-field nonsense, all the negativity that surrounded him was if he was a straight-up sociopath. I worried that he'd never be able to move past all the drama in his life, all the chirping in his ears, being hated everywhere he went. Most people/players want to be liked. There are few people who enjoy being the bad guy, and he was the bad guy not because of what he did on the field (like Draymond Green or Bill Laimbeer) but because of what he did off it.
Not only were my worries about this found to be true, but he went from a guy who never missed time with injuries to a guy whose body started failing him - and these weren't minor injuries. His shoulder broke. He tore his Achilles twice.
But wait - there's more: What we never heard until a year or so into his Browns run was stories from Houston on how years into his NFL career he was still always looking towards the sideline for help on what to do. He was pretty much force-fed everything with the Texans. And yes, he was a top 5 QB with Houston, it appears his success was a house of cards. Another giant problem was how poorly paired Watson and Stefanski were.
I have never heard/read any stories on the last part.
On the pairing, I have always felt that was more Watson than Steff. With the skills Watson had, I never understood why he would not want to play in a PA base scheme that made it easier for him. As fat as I am concerned PA from the gun doesn't do much
I have never heard/read any stories on the last part.
On the pairing, I have always felt that was more Watson than Steff. With the skills Watson had, I never understood why he would not want to play in a PA base scheme that made it easier for him. As fat as I am concerned PA from the gun doesn't do much
I can't remember who told the stories, it might have been Zac Jackson or Jason Lloyd from The Athletic, but they relayed stories from Houston guys they knew who were at Texans practices... this wasn't his rookie season, but like season 3 or 4 there and while running the offense in practice he constantly kept looking over to the sideline for help. The guy who relayed the story said it was very odd considering how experienced he was at the time.
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Remember, Watson had his 27 game sabbatical. He never seemed the same from a processing perspective from his first start and onwards.
Continuing to invest in him from any primary or secondary planning for him to play or play anything like the guy from 6 years ago at this point is thinking digging deeper in a hole is going to get you out of the hole.
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Remember, Watson had his 27 game sabbatical. He never seemed the same from a processing perspective from his first start and onwards.
Continuing to invest in him from any primary or secondary planning for him to play or play anything like the guy from 6 years ago at this point is thinking digging deeper in a hole is going to get you out of the hole.
I agree, like the line at the end of First Blood:
"It's over Johnny, it's over."
I didn't want the Browns to trade for Watson, because deep down I thought the only way he'd be able to succeed after all the off-field nonsense, all the negativity that surrounded him was if he was a straight-up sociopath. I worried that he'd never be able to move past all the drama in his life, all the chirping in his ears, being hated everywhere he went. Most people/players want to be liked. There are few people who enjoy being the bad guy, and he was the bad guy not because of what he did on the field (like Draymond Green or Bill Laimbeer) but because of what he did off it.
Not only were my worries about this found to be true, but he went from a guy who never missed time with injuries to a guy whose body started failing him - and these weren't minor injuries. His shoulder broke. He tore his Achilles twice.
But wait - there's more: What we never heard until a year or so into his Browns run was stories from Houston on how years into his NFL career he was still always looking towards the sideline for help on what to do. He was pretty much force-fed everything with the Texans. And yes, he was a top 5 QB with Houston, it appears his success was a house of cards. Another giant problem was how poorly paired Watson and Stefanski were.
I agree, like the line at the end of First Blood:
"It's over Johnny, it's over."
I didn't want the Browns to trade for Watson, because deep down I thought the only way he'd be able to succeed after all the off-field nonsense, all the negativity that surrounded him was if he was a straight-up sociopath. I worried that he'd never be able to move past all the drama in his life, all the chirping in his ears, being hated everywhere he went. Most people/players want to be liked. There are few people who enjoy being the bad guy, and he was the bad guy not because of what he did on the field (like Draymond Green or Bill Laimbeer) but because of what he did off it.
Not only were my worries about this found to be true, but he went from a guy who never missed time with injuries to a guy whose body started failing him - and these weren't minor injuries. His shoulder broke. He tore his Achilles twice.
But wait - there's more: What we never heard until a year or so into his Browns run was stories from Houston on how years into his NFL career he was still always looking towards the sideline for help on what to do. He was pretty much force-fed everything with the Texans. And yes, he was a top 5 QB with Houston, it appears his success was a house of cards. Another giant problem was how poorly paired Watson and Stefanski were.
I got my ass handed to me in this thread. ? The Rambo analogy was good but this whole thing feels more like Friday the 13th - and Freddy Krueger is still under contract in this sequel.
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
i.e. Watson and why he sucked here.
I don't think it's more complicated than some are making it out to be. The reality is when you have over two years off at the hardest position in all of sports while being marred in controversy it results in skills being diminished. Couple that with the objective fact he never wanted to be here but got an offer he couldn't refuse, it's pretty easy to see. God every time I think of this shit it makes me want to punch Haslam.
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I agree, like the line at the end of First Blood:
"It's over Johnny, it's over."
I didn't want the Browns to trade for Watson, because deep down I thought the only way he'd be able to succeed after all the off-field nonsense, all the negativity that surrounded him was if he was a straight-up sociopath. I worried that he'd never be able to move past all the drama in his life, all the chirping in his ears, being hated everywhere he went. Most people/players want to be liked. There are few people who enjoy being the bad guy, and he was the bad guy not because of what he did on the field (like Draymond Green or Bill Laimbeer) but because of what he did off it.
Not only were my worries about this found to be true, but he went from a guy who never missed time with injuries to a guy whose body started failing him - and these weren't minor injuries. His shoulder broke. He tore his Achilles twice.
But wait - there's more: What we never heard until a year or so into his Browns run was stories from Houston on how years into his NFL career he was still always looking towards the sideline for help on what to do. He was pretty much force-fed everything with the Texans. And yes, he was a top 5 QB with Houston, it appears his success was a house of cards. Another giant problem was how poorly paired Watson and Stefanski were.
I got my ass handed to me in this thread. ? The Rambo analogy was good but this whole thing feels more like Friday the 13th - and Freddy Krueger is still under contract in this sequel.
I got my ass handed to me in this thread. ? The Rambo analogy was good but this whole thing feels more like Friday the 13th - and Freddy Krueger is still under contract in this sequel.
We will see, you might end up being right. If he leaves Cleveland and then has success somewhere else, well…
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