The Official Browns vs Titans Game 13 Thread
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Question is right off the bat
Shedeur got me 39 points today, so suck it Sanders haters
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Sanders looked good with a few notable exceptions but he's a rookie. Hard to out this loss on anyone but the coach with the benefit of hindsight.
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Sanders looked good with a few notable exceptions but he's a rookie. Hard to out this loss on anyone but the coach with the benefit of hindsight.
Sanders looked good with a few notable exceptions but he's a rookie. Hard to out this loss on anyone but the coach with the benefit of hindsight.
To me the loss was on the defense which did not come close to their norm.
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I hate to see the loss no matter what the ramifications for the draft might have been if they won. The rally to come back to bring it to the point where there was a potential tie was maybe the most heart the browns have shown in years.
Sanders is winning me over. The sanders bandwagon circus will never win me over but putting that aside as something I don't actually have to interact with, the kid has a little heart. I like that.
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Sanders looked good with a few notable exceptions but he's a rookie. Hard to out this loss on anyone but the coach with the benefit of hindsight.
To me the loss was on the defense which did not come close to their norm.
To me the loss was on the defense which did not come close to their norm.
Exactly, Maliek Collins absence was felt and it looked as if they gameplanned so Myles could break the record at home. Pollard was feasting all day on filling the void left after 95 rushed vainly and Schwartz wouldn't counter it.
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Sanders impressed me today. There were also times where I think he lapsed into his bad habits. But some of his throws and quick decisions were a nice sign of him growing into the role.
I was a big fan of Tyler Warren in that draft, and Fannin fits that mold - he is a heck of a football player. The rb's are terrific, our oline is pitiful.
Tennesee seemed to have a better oline, and their playcaller had the Browns' defenses' number every so often, fooling them.
seems like something is really wrong with special teams.
Stupanski is the problem. Going for two was pretty much stupid. Twice. My two cents, I get tired of watching the Browns run on first down so much. Defenses see it. But they did call a pass on first down at least once. yay.
How Kevin Stefanski, Browns coaching ruined Shedeur Sanders masterclass vs. Titans
Shedeur Sanders had a massive fourth quarter comeback, but the Cleveland Browns still found a way to lose against the Tennessee Titans in Week 14. -
Sanders impressed me today. There were also times where I think he lapsed into his bad habits. But some of his throws and quick decisions were a nice sign of him growing into the role.
I was a big fan of Tyler Warren in that draft, and Fannin fits that mold - he is a heck of a football player. The rb's are terrific, our oline is pitiful.
Tennesee seemed to have a better oline, and their playcaller had the Browns' defenses' number every so often, fooling them.
seems like something is really wrong with special teams.
Stupanski is the problem. Going for two was pretty much stupid. Twice. My two cents, I get tired of watching the Browns run on first down so much. Defenses see it. But they did call a pass on first down at least once. yay.
How Kevin Stefanski, Browns coaching ruined Shedeur Sanders masterclass vs. Titans
Shedeur Sanders had a massive fourth quarter comeback, but the Cleveland Browns still found a way to lose against the Tennessee Titans in Week 14.Sanders impressed me today. There were also times where I think he lapsed into his bad habits. But some of his throws and quick decisions were a nice sign of him growing into the role.
I was a big fan of Tyler Warren in that draft, and Fannin fits that mold - he is a heck of a football player. The rb's are terrific, our oline is pitiful.
Tennesee seemed to have a better oline, and their playcaller had the Browns' defenses' number every so often, fooling them.
Stupanski is the problem. Going for two was pretty much stupid. Twice. My two cents, I get tired of watching the Browns run on first down so much. Defenses see it. But they did call a pass on first down at least once. yay.
How Kevin Stefanski, Browns coaching ruined Shedeur Sanders masterclass vs. Titans
Shedeur Sanders had a massive fourth quarter comeback, but the Cleveland Browns still found a way to lose against the Tennessee Titans in Week 14.Almost as stupid as one of the college teams throwing a low percentage sideline pass over a CB trying to drop it in the bucket on 4th down inside their own 20. They had to go for it to stay in the game, but the choice of plays was just plain made for failure just like taking out Sanders was just plain stupid.
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All -22 isn't available yet. But the Titans running strat *appears* to have been pretty simple.
- Get the Browns in their over front (3tech to strength)
- Watch for the spell on Shelby Harris
- Get Kamara slid over to the shade
- Duo Sam and run weakside.
- Profit.
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I was wrong.
- Sam is the 3tech
- Reach the backside 1, cut him off.
- combo the playside 3t
- Center climbs to the LB
- profit
Simple. Effective.
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I was wrong.
- Sam is the 3tech
- Reach the backside 1, cut him off.
- combo the playside 3t
- Center climbs to the LB
- profit
Simple. Effective.
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I was wrong.
- Sam is the 3tech
- Reach the backside 1, cut him off.
- combo the playside 3t
- Center climbs to the LB
- profit
Simple. Effective.
I was wrong.
- Sam is the 3tech
- Reach the backside 1, cut him off.
- combo the playside 3t
- Center climbs to the LB
- profit
Simple. Effective.
I recall this being a major problem in earlier iterations of Schwartz's defense here and looked like it had been solved this season. I mentioned here earlier, was this because they designed the defense to facilitate Myles getting the sack record yesterday?
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Good post. You got a link to the Sanders press conference? He’s a quirky dude in front of a microphone from what l’ve seen thus far. Would be good to see that quirkiness get parlayed into a net positive.
I was stuck with the radio feed. I miss Jim Donovan real bad. I don’t want to dog on the new guys and l appreciate their work, but Jim was truly special and had a knack for raising the bar in the “painting pictures” department.
I suspect Maliek Collins is a big missing piece of the puzzle as far as the defense goes. He was a great signing and l hope he gets back on the horse.
I will dog the new radio guys. They suck. Especially Zegura. He won’t shut up.
I will dog the new radio guys. They suck. Especially Zegura. He won’t shut up.
Andrew is okay.. Zegura is nauseating...
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I was wrong.
- Sam is the 3tech
- Reach the backside 1, cut him off.
- combo the playside 3t
- Center climbs to the LB
- profit
Simple. Effective.
I recall this being a major problem in earlier iterations of Schwartz's defense here and looked like it had been solved this season. I mentioned here earlier, was this because they designed the defense to facilitate Myles getting the sack record yesterday?
I recall this being a major problem in earlier iterations of Schwartz's defense here and looked like it had been solved this season. I mentioned here earlier, was this because they designed the defense to facilitate Myles getting the sack record yesterday?
Yep, they exploited MG’s outside position.
It made for a natural running lane, I expect future opponents to do more of the same.
The defense is still based on upfield, 1 gap attack and lane disruption on the way to the QB. So the aggressive nature on the edge hasn't changed. I detailed some of the use against the aggressiveness the past couple years in the misdirection, screen and running game integrated with motions.
The difference this season has been the increased quality play on the IDL and allowing the LB's cleaner lanes to tackles. Most every big play allowed by the defense against Tennessee was a result of the Titans anticipating the over-aggression and/or exploiting IDL subs then having their counter properly timed.
That early RB screen to Spears? 5 man pressure just past Myles bluffing RB chip.
The TD? Green dog which ended up being cover 0. Schwez may have overplayed his hand a bit, but TEN got a little stutter to a race route vs an off corner off strong play action against a heavy blitz.
The interior disruption that Collins brings through the lane, including getting off blocks to ball carriers, has been invaluable. The problem for so many is, that IDL is such an un-sexy, thankless spot, that's it's widely overlooked barring major exceptions. The Titans saw it when they developed their gameplan and exploited it to great effect.
I love what Sam Kamara brings to the table as a pass rusher and rotational piece. But what happened were body shots, more body shots, then a rotation out of either Shelby or Graham and Tennessee attacked the opposite gap. Foundational weaknesses are easily exploitable by even the worst of teams. If you lack trench play, even the worst teams can use that to facilitate their offense.
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I recall this being a major problem in earlier iterations of Schwartz's defense here and looked like it had been solved this season. I mentioned here earlier, was this because they designed the defense to facilitate Myles getting the sack record yesterday?
Yep, they exploited MG’s outside position.
It made for a natural running lane, I expect future opponents to do more of the same.
The defense is still based on upfield, 1 gap attack and lane disruption on the way to the QB. So the aggressive nature on the edge hasn't changed. I detailed some of the use against the aggressiveness the past couple years in the misdirection, screen and running game integrated with motions.
The difference this season has been the increased quality play on the IDL and allowing the LB's cleaner lanes to tackles. Most every big play allowed by the defense against Tennessee was a result of the Titans anticipating the over-aggression and/or exploiting IDL subs then having their counter properly timed.
That early RB screen to Spears? 5 man pressure just past Myles bluffing RB chip.
The TD? Green dog which ended up being cover 0. Schwez may have overplayed his hand a bit, but TEN got a little stutter to a race route vs an off corner off strong play action against a heavy blitz.
The interior disruption that Collins brings through the lane, including getting off blocks to ball carriers, has been invaluable. The problem for so many is, that IDL is such an un-sexy, thankless spot, that's it's widely overlooked barring major exceptions. The Titans saw it when they developed their gameplan and exploited it to great effect.
I love what Sam Kamara brings to the table as a pass rusher and rotational piece. But what happened were body shots, more body shots, then a rotation out of either Shelby or Graham and Tennessee attacked the opposite gap. Foundational weaknesses are easily exploitable by even the worst of teams. If you lack trench play, even the worst teams can use that to facilitate their offense.
The defense is still based on upfield, 1 gap attack and lane disruption on the way to the QB. So the aggressive nature on the edge hasn't changed. I detailed some of the use against the aggressiveness the past couple years in the misdirection, screen and running game integrated with motions.
I'll never forget the Texans absolutely eating the Browns lunch in the playoffs with this exact mindset.
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I recall this being a major problem in earlier iterations of Schwartz's defense here and looked like it had been solved this season. I mentioned here earlier, was this because they designed the defense to facilitate Myles getting the sack record yesterday?
Yep, they exploited MG’s outside position.
It made for a natural running lane, I expect future opponents to do more of the same.
The defense is still based on upfield, 1 gap attack and lane disruption on the way to the QB. So the aggressive nature on the edge hasn't changed. I detailed some of the use against the aggressiveness the past couple years in the misdirection, screen and running game integrated with motions.
The difference this season has been the increased quality play on the IDL and allowing the LB's cleaner lanes to tackles. Most every big play allowed by the defense against Tennessee was a result of the Titans anticipating the over-aggression and/or exploiting IDL subs then having their counter properly timed.
That early RB screen to Spears? 5 man pressure just past Myles bluffing RB chip.
The TD? Green dog which ended up being cover 0. Schwez may have overplayed his hand a bit, but TEN got a little stutter to a race route vs an off corner off strong play action against a heavy blitz.
The interior disruption that Collins brings through the lane, including getting off blocks to ball carriers, has been invaluable. The problem for so many is, that IDL is such an un-sexy, thankless spot, that's it's widely overlooked barring major exceptions. The Titans saw it when they developed their gameplan and exploited it to great effect.
I love what Sam Kamara brings to the table as a pass rusher and rotational piece. But what happened were body shots, more body shots, then a rotation out of either Shelby or Graham and Tennessee attacked the opposite gap. Foundational weaknesses are easily exploitable by even the worst of teams. If you lack trench play, even the worst teams can use that to facilitate their offense.
The defense is still based on upfield, 1 gap attack and lane disruption on the way to the QB. So the aggressive nature on the edge hasn't changed. I detailed some of the use against the aggressiveness the past couple years in the misdirection, screen and running game integrated with motions.
The difference this season has been the increased quality play on the IDL and allowing the LB's cleaner lanes to tackles. Most every big play allowed by the defense against Tennessee was a result of the Titans anticipating the over-aggression and/or exploiting IDL subs then having their counter properly timed.
That early RB screen to Spears? 5 man pressure just past Myles bluffing RB chip.
The TD? Green dog which ended up being cover 0. Schwez may have overplayed his hand a bit, but TEN got a little stutter to a race route vs an off corner off strong play action against a heavy blitz.
The interior disruption that Collins brings through the lane, including getting off blocks to ball carriers, has been invaluable. The problem for so many is, that IDL is such an un-sexy, thankless spot, that's it's widely overlooked barring major exceptions. The Titans saw it when they developed their gameplan and exploited it to great effect.
I love what Sam Kamara brings to the table as a pass rusher and rotational piece. But what happened were body shots, more body shots, then a rotation out of either Shelby or Graham and Tennessee attacked the opposite gap. Foundational weaknesses are easily exploitable by even the worst of teams. If you lack trench play, even the worst teams can use that to facilitate their offense.
So in summary Maliek Collins absence led to this record day for Pollard?
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The defense is still based on upfield, 1 gap attack and lane disruption on the way to the QB. So the aggressive nature on the edge hasn't changed. I detailed some of the use against the aggressiveness the past couple years in the misdirection, screen and running game integrated with motions.
The difference this season has been the increased quality play on the IDL and allowing the LB's cleaner lanes to tackles. Most every big play allowed by the defense against Tennessee was a result of the Titans anticipating the over-aggression and/or exploiting IDL subs then having their counter properly timed.
That early RB screen to Spears? 5 man pressure just past Myles bluffing RB chip.
The TD? Green dog which ended up being cover 0. Schwez may have overplayed his hand a bit, but TEN got a little stutter to a race route vs an off corner off strong play action against a heavy blitz.
The interior disruption that Collins brings through the lane, including getting off blocks to ball carriers, has been invaluable. The problem for so many is, that IDL is such an un-sexy, thankless spot, that's it's widely overlooked barring major exceptions. The Titans saw it when they developed their gameplan and exploited it to great effect.
I love what Sam Kamara brings to the table as a pass rusher and rotational piece. But what happened were body shots, more body shots, then a rotation out of either Shelby or Graham and Tennessee attacked the opposite gap. Foundational weaknesses are easily exploitable by even the worst of teams. If you lack trench play, even the worst teams can use that to facilitate their offense.
So in summary Maliek Collins absence led to this record day for Pollard?
So in summary Maliek Collins absence led to this record day for Pollard?
It wasn't the *ONLY* thing. But it was the primary reason, yes.
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But isn't that why we drafted Mason Graham?... To shore up the run defense?
To an extent, yes.
The DEF did a solid job limiting the TEN running game when him and Shelby Harris were on the field together. Even Kamara had some good reps on the film.
But (so far) every big run allowed has been when Kamara spelled in for either one of them and the Titans attacked the corresponding gap.
Graham has been solid and he's getting better. But he can only do so much as one man.
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Great performance from Shedeur! Really liked what I saw. Obviously I'd like for this whole season to play out first, but I'm now keen on the idea (like many of you) of using our 1sts on an OL (Fano,? World?) and WR.
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Great performance from Shedeur! Really liked what I saw. Obviously I'd like for this whole season to play out first, but I'm now keen on the idea (like many of you) of using our 1sts on an OL (Fano,? World?) and WR.
Great performance from Shedeur! Really liked what I saw. Obviously I'd like for this whole season to play out first, but I'm now keen on the idea (like many of you) of using our 1sts on an OL (Fano,? World?) and WR.
The Browns will end up with three picks in the first 35-40.
My preferred scenario is that they come out of those three picks with either two OLinemen and a WR or two WRs and an OLineman.
Because of how the draft seems to fall this season, I'd love for the Browns to be able to trade down like last season and pick up more high picks. As of today I really don't see an OLineman or WR worth a top 5 pick. I'd love to trade back to somewhere between #6-12 and pick up ammo for next year's draft, if we decide Sanders isn't the guy and still need a QB.
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