Currently our 2025 first round pick is....

[syd]

@dutch-oven said:

I know this is a crazy idea, but you can actually do both.

I never understand the "You can't draft a QB you have to fix other things" like if we take a QB with the first pick all the rest of our draft picks/trades/free agency is taken away from us. 

And I really don't think there is a OLinemen or WR really worth, say, the 4th overall pick in this draft.

so we will have to move up to get a qb which would be a very stupid idea

Updated 2025 NFL Draft Order

1. New York Giants (2-11)
2. Las Vegas (2-11)
3. Tennessee (2-11)
4. Cleveland (3-10)
5. New Orleans (3-10)
6. Washington (3-10)
7. New York Jets (3-10)
8. Arizona (3-10)
9. Los Angeles Rams (via Atlanta - 4-9)
10. Cincinnati (4-9)
11. Minnesota (5-8)
12. Miami (6-7)
13. Baltimore (6-7)
14. Dallas (6-6-1)
15. Kansas City (6-6)
16. Carolina (7-6)
17. Houston (7-5)
18. Detroit (8-5)
19. Pittsburgh (7-6)
20. Tampa Bay (7-6)
21. New York Jets (via Indianapolis - 8-5)
22. Los Angeles Chargers (8-4)
23. Philadelphia (8-4)
24. Chicago (9-4)
25. Buffalo (9-4)
26. San Francisco (9-4)
27. Cleveland (via Jacksonville - 9-3)
28. Dallas (via Green Bay - 9-3-1)
29. Seattle (10-3)
30. New England (11-2)
31. Los Angeles Rams (10-3)
32. Denver (11-2)

[Dutch Oven]

Depends on what you would have to give up and how much you love the QB @syd... 

But I get what you are saying, the Browns offense needs too much to have to give up high picks to move up and get Mendoza. Jacksonville gave up a very high second rounder last draft and a first rounder this draft to move from #5 to #2. 

I'm close to officially advocating for the Browns to go into next season with Shadeur Sanders as the starter (need to see him finish this season first) and use this offseason to go balls to the wall in fixing the offense. After next season, you decide if Sanders is the QB for the long-term or you get a QB in what should/could be a much better QB class in the '27 draft class. (I know, I know. I said THIS coming draft would be a much better QB class than the last one.)

[syd]

@dutch-oven said:

Depends on what you would have to give up and how much you love the QB @syd... 

But I get what you are saying, the Browns offense needs too much to have to give up high picks to move up and get Mendoza. Jacksonville gave up a very high second rounder last draft and a first rounder this draft to move from #5 to #2. 

I'm close to officially advocating for the Browns to go into next season with Shadeur Sanders as the starter (need to see him finish this season first) and use this offseason to go balls to the wall in fixing the offense. After next season, you decide if Sanders is the QB for the long-term or you get a QB in what should/could be a much better QB class in the '27 draft class. (I know, I know. I said THIS coming draft would be a much better QB class than the last one.)

Next year is going to be another throw away season, so do you  keep stef for another year ?  and yes i am going to roll with one of our rookies next year with #4 as the back up

[Orion]

@syd said:

roll with one of our rookies next year with #4 as the back up

Yes & no.  I don't want to 'roll' with the midget.  But Watson as a backup is what would probably have to happen.

[syd]

@orion said:

Yes & no.  I don't want to 'roll' with the midget.  But Watson as a backup is what would probably have to happen.

i posted a article that said #4  will compete for the starting role (never thought that would happen) but yes from what a have seen  it could be Sanders job to lose

[Dutch Oven]

@syd said:

Next year is going to be another throw away season, so do you  keep stef for another year ?  and yes i am going to roll with one of our rookies next year with #4 as the back up

I think it’s time for a new head coach. I don’t blame everything on Stefanski, but I can’t see how someone survives back-to-back 3-14 seasons. 

[syd]

@dutch-oven said:

I think it’s time for a new head coach. I don’t blame everything on Stefanski, but I can’t see how someone survives back-to-back 3-14 seasons. 

well last week going for it on 4th down and today for what ever stupid reason going for 2 was just asinine 

[Orion]

@syd said:

well last week going for it on 4th down and today for what ever stupid reason going for 2 was just asinine 

So what the heck was Stef thinking when going for 2 and not taking 2 extra points?

Post game press conference:  When down 14, it tells us where we stand.  (something to that affect)  I believe the Go For Two Analytics Crowd thinks that you'll probably be successful in at least one of the two attempts.  And if you're successful on the first attempt then you can win the game with another TD.  And if not on the first attempt, then odds are you'll be successful on the 2nd attempt.  Bad luck.  They both failed.  The first one didn't get off the ground, literally.  And the in the 2nd attempt Judkins was supposed to give it to the WR headed in the opposite direction...but I THINK Judkins was thinking, I'll take it in myself...and then realized, wait, they're all over here waiting for me.  Oh Shit!  Now what do I do?  (um, that's why you were supposed to give it to the little WR...because the play was designed for everyone to follow YOU)

That's what I think the thinking(s) were.  

[Orion]

“Texas QB Arch Manning will return to school for the 2026 season,” Schefter posted

[Dutch Oven]

@orion said:

“Texas QB Arch Manning will return to school for the 2026 season,” Schefter posted

So is Lanorris Sellers. The surprising thing is that supposedly he’s staying at South Carolina 

[Orion]

I think we've got another year of just 2 QB's to take high in the draft...and I expect us to be at #3.  With the Raiders at #2, nobody is prying that draft pick from them.  And with the Giants at #1, the Jets have too much fire power for us to match to get to #1 overall.  

[calfoxwc]

With our first pick, I want a dynamic addition. A probable All-pro kind of player at their pick.

Which is a list of 3 for the Browns.

Carnell Tate, WR

Francis Mauigoa or Spencer Fano, OT

Caleb Downs, S

Downs has been compared to....Troy Pollyneeds2takeapoopoo of the steelers. He may even go top three.

It's a terrific draft for WR's. So, I could get a wr later in the second round.

So, Fano needs more strength, I guess, but has a very high upside.

I love the power and agility that Mauigoa has. both are considered to be future franchise OT's in ability.

So, here's my best goofy guess.

 ............................

1a - Francis Mauigoa. Big man, OT, powerful, agile - he is my Wirfs OT pick.

1b - trade up and get Tate. That is assuming Caleb Downs goes before the Browns pick. He is THAT great.

[Flugel]

@calfoxwc said:

Caleb Downs, S   Downs has been compared to....Troy Pollyneeds2takeapoopoo 

?

[Orion]

We're up to #3  with the Titans beating the Chiefs.

Next week the Raiders & Giants face off.  That moves us up to #2...provided they don't Tie.  I don't think that either team will beat their final opponents (Chiefs & Cowboys) so I guess I'd rather have the Giants picking 1st and thus would want the Raiders to beat the Giants.  

[syd]

@orion said:

thus

LLLLLMMMMMAAAAOOO  vette said thus

[syd]

NFL Draft order 2026

Pick	Team	Record
1	Giants	2-13
2	Raiders	2-12
3	Browns	3-12
4	Jets	3-12
5	Titans	3-12
6	Cardinals	3-11
7	Commanders	4-11
8	Saints	5-10
9	Bengals	5-10
10	Rams (via Falcons)	5-9
11	Dolphins	6-9
12	Chiefs	6-9
13	Cowboys	6-8-1
14	Vikings	7-8
15	Buccaneers	7-8
16	Ravens	7-7
17	Lions	8-6
18	Jets (via Colts)	8-6
19	Panthers	8-7
20	Steelers	8-6
21	Cowboys (via Packers)	9-5-1
22	Texans	9-5
23	Eagles	10-5
24	Browns (via Jaguars)	10-4
25	49ers	10-4
26	Bills	11-4
27	Chargers	11-4
28	Rams	11-4
29	Bears	11-4
30	Patriots	11-3
31	Seahawks	12-3
32	Broncos	12-2

[Unsympathetic]

@dutch-oven said:

supposedly he’s staying at South Carolina 

The best NFL QB ever to come out of South Carolina is Spencer Rattler.. so he must be aiming for a UDFA slot.

[Flugel]

@dutch-oven said:

It doesn't matter who the owner or GM is... if you need a QB, there's literally only one QB in this class anyone would consider. 

BINGO!  This looks like a good spot to put some thoughts.

The Patriots were 3-14 during Drake Maye's rookie year.  The final game they won against Buffalo (resting starters for the playoffs) - Maye threw 1 pass and took 1 sack before he was replaced so he won 2 games.  As fate would have it - their coaching staff was replaced and the Patriots drafted LT Will Campbell with their 4th pick overall.

Sanders is 6 NFL starts old so YES  - he's going to hold onto the ball longer than he should sometimes.  That said, we're also seeing him starting to step up in the pocket more than we did early on in spite of the lack of protection on the edges.  Aside from that, Buffalo gave Fannin a lot of attention while our WR Corps refused to let the Buffalo Bills down with just 6 receptions in 9 targets for 31 yards.  Any wonder why many of us hope the Browns upgrade WR & OTackle with early picks?  The problem is when we do the simulator - we don't realize we're drafting RTs (even Mauigoa) while Goosby & Lomu are LTs.  I say that because the # of top LTs in this draft are get em early or they're gone. Sorry, I have ZERO control over the supply for the demand. Staying with what he have here has us goin for our 2nd consecutive 3 win season. Ummm, NO THANKS!  Just our luck, it looks like our second 1st round pick is going to be very close to the 2nd round.  

[Korsou Dawg]

After seeing the Bills game, surely QB cannot be our first priority. While not ""legendary"" by any means, Shedeur is serviceable enough to give a legit shot. Bot he and the RBs are in desperate need of a better OL in front of them. Would also be nifty if would could stop the run now and then.

So OL, DT and a buddy for Schweinburger? 

[Dutch Oven]

@korsou-dawg said:

After seeing the Bills game, surely QB cannot be our first priority. While not ""legendary"" by any means, Shedeur is serviceable enough to give a legit shot. Bot he and the RBs are in desperate need of a better OL in front of them. Would also be nifty if would could stop the run now and then.

So OL, DT and a buddy for Schweinburger? 

OLine, WR, DTackle and CB would be my major wants this coming offseason. I think Devin Bush has been a real find by Berry. I’ve been pleasantly surprised by him.