Who do we have to play the offensive line?
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This IMO is the most interesting storyline from now to Training Camp.
I'm sure they are penciling in Dawand Jones at RT - against most of our good senses - but the rest of the line is up for grabs. Maybe they think Wypler is the center?
but the rest of the line is up for grabs. Maybe they think Wypler is the center?
Good news--under rookie contract.. Bad news-- Week 17 knee injury
All we got left with, in a season ending win in a January at Natty was... Wypler suffered a traumatic knee injury in 4th qtr...He was replaced by Zak Zinter playing Center...
Let's just hope he's ready at OTA's .. ? (we'd take any good OL news! )
drafted by AB - and yes I understand the blind squirrel finally found a nut last year in the draft but OL shouldn't remain the mystery it continues to be here...
Starting back to when Bill Callahan walked into Berra from 2020 to 2023.. You'd think Berry could sponge something off his OL wit?
OL Drafted since 2020 Callahan era..
Jed Wills 1st round. Nick Harris 5th.
James Hudson 4th.
Dawson Deaton 7th.
Past Callahan exit..
Dawand Jones 4th Luke Wypler 7th
Zak Zinter 3rd
2025 0 drafted...
Berry see's OL like WR's .. Mid to late rounds, with a Wiff on Wills ? Who's scouting these Offensive Lineman? maybe fix that too?
Browns & Buffett: Got to go fishin, Down to rock bottom again, with just a few Friends Team Brotherhood-"It's not about You,Me or I. It's about building We"..Hue Jackson -
I’m not crazy about rebuilding this WR and OL group 100% through the draft.
Here’s how I’d handle the draft no clue about free agency.
i think #6 could be dangled to a team like the Cowboys. You move back and take your OT. With the additional pick acquired you take another lineman. I don’t want to see more than two rookie OLs on the field in September.
Id make a move for #1 WR so AJ Brown for the 24th pick. If the rumors are true. You get a proven #1 and take the guesswork away from Berry and he compliments the smurfs we have.
i think you have some value at 39 with another WR. Take one here.
And I ship 70 to a team for another lineman. You get a guy that is a proven commodity. And you take the guesswork out of Berrys hands
I havent touched free agency but we have two talented young lineman and younger established lineman.
You have Brown, Jeudy and a talented rookie in the WR room now.
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Braden has been a RT his entire professional career.
edit: He has been a steady playing for INDY. But the guy has had some physical & mental health concerns, including mulling retirement, these past couple years.
Worthy of note, but he came back and Braden a great year in 2025 as did Daniel Jones (prior to injury) as well as Jonathan Taylor.
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This IMO is the most interesting storyline from now to Training Camp.
I'm sure they are penciling in Dawand Jones at RT - against most of our good senses - but the rest of the line is up for grabs. Maybe they think Wypler is the center?
This IMO is the most interesting storyline from now to Training Camp.
I'm sure they are penciling in Dawand Jones at RT - against most of our good senses - but the rest of the line is up for grabs. Maybe they think Wypler is the center?
That's how they list him on the teams' home page.
I certainly hope not. Luke was damn near carted off the field against Cincy. Chances are higher that he misses more 2026 time than he actually plays.
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Teven Jenkins is a FA also... So add Zak Zinter above^^ & few JAG's that signed future deals (lets hope Teller pancaked Berry on his way out the door ?)
LTJones, Dawand 23/4// LUCAS, CORNELIUS U/Wash LG Zinter, Zak 24/3// Green, Kendrick P/Buf C Wypler, Luke 23/6// Eguakun, Kingsley P/Det// Osborne, Justin CF25 RG Conley, Jack OG (future reserve) RT Leveston, KT T/LAR// Byers, Jeremiah P/Arz// Phillips, Tyre OT(future reserve)
Worst of all? Andrew Berry has unchallenged tenure for his inability to understand how important OL is to the overall success of the Offense AFTER/IN-SPITE OF having the opportunity to work for GM Howie Roseman in Philly.
There's a rumor Berry wants to trade for Jax's LT that got benched after giving up his 9th sack last season (with more games to go). He also had something like 12-14 penalties. If that's all Berry wants - is he EVER going to GET IT? Most of our Pro Bowl Repeats weren't drafted by AB - and yes I understand the blind squirrel finally found a nut last year in the draft but OL shouldn't remain the mystery it continues to be here...
Worst of all? Andrew Berry has unchallenged tenure for his inability to understand how important OL is to the overall success of the Offense AFTER/IN-SPITE OF having the opportunity to work for GM Howie Roseman in Philly.
I've heard a rumor that AB trained under Ghoolie for many years.
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Worst of all? Andrew Berry has unchallenged tenure for his inability to understand how important OL is to the overall success of the Offense AFTER/IN-SPITE OF having the opportunity to work for GM Howie Roseman in Philly.
I've heard a rumor that AB trained under Ghoolie for many years.
I've heard a rumor that AB trained under Ghoolie for many years.
Ghoolie or Rich4Eagle? lol
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This IMO is the most interesting storyline from now to Training Camp.
I'm sure they are penciling in Dawand Jones at RT - against most of our good senses - but the rest of the line is up for grabs. Maybe they think Wypler is the center?
That's how they list him on the teams' home page.
I certainly hope not. Luke was damn near carted off the field against Cincy. Chances are higher that he misses more 2026 time than he actually plays.
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I’m not crazy about rebuilding this WR and OL group 100% through the draft.
Here’s how I’d handle the draft no clue about free agency.
i think #6 could be dangled to a team like the Cowboys. You move back and take your OT. With the additional pick acquired you take another lineman. I don’t want to see more than two rookie OLs on the field in September.
Id make a move for #1 WR so AJ Brown for the 24th pick. If the rumors are true. You get a proven #1 and take the guesswork away from Berry and he compliments the smurfs we have.
i think you have some value at 39 with another WR. Take one here.
And I ship 70 to a team for another lineman. You get a guy that is a proven commodity. And you take the guesswork out of Berrys hands
I havent touched free agency but we have two talented young lineman and younger established lineman.
You have Brown, Jeudy and a talented rookie in the WR room now.
Here’s how I’d handle the draft no clue about free agency.
I think #6 could be dangled to a team like the Cowboys. You move back and take your OT. With the additional pick acquired you take another lineman.
I don’t want to see more than two rookie OLs on the field in September.
Id make a move for #1 WR so AJ Brown for the 24th pick. If the rumors are true. You get a proven #1 and take the guesswork away from Berry and he compliments the smurfs we have.
i think you have some value at 39 with another WR. Take one here.
And I ship 70 to a team for another lineman. You get a guy that is a proven commodity. And you take the guesswork out of Berrys hands
I havent touched free agency but we have two talented young lineman and younger established lineman.
Lots of good stuff right here^^thanks SB
Fred's off season Primer is here too https://247sports.com/nfl/cleveland-browns/longformarticle/cleveland-browns--274231243/
Looking around some Dallas forums.. Dallas fans don't like trading neither pick. They have no draft capital. Looming Pickins tag & defensive holes. GB has Dallas's next years 1st and no 2/3rd this draft. Trade comp has 2 options now.. Browns pick 1.06 3.70 & 5.145 OR 1.06 & 2.39 I've seen both rumored (pick 70 or 39 maybe gone)
I'm with you on only starting 2 rookies at OL..Favorite at this time? A game day ready FA at LT.>> GB FA Rasheed Walker/Bitonio/Wypler/*Loane/*Lomu/Dunker? (it's Feb.) D.Jones/ T.Jenkins/ Z. Zinter bench backups
Yeah! Berry likes trading for WR's....Love the player of AJ Brown..But not his drama package.. so at this time...
ESPN’s Bill Barnwell proposed a deal that would send Jaguars Brian Thomas Jr. and a 2026 fifth-round pick to the Buffalo Bills in exchange for Keon Coleman and Buffalo’s 2026 first-round pick (No. 26 overall).
How bout Juedy & we have 3 5th round picks? or Straight up for pick 2.39?
Go Team USA !
Browns & Buffett: Got to go fishin, Down to rock bottom again, with just a few Friends Team Brotherhood-"It's not about You,Me or I. It's about building We"..Hue Jackson -
I’m not crazy about rebuilding this WR and OL group 100% through the draft.
Here’s how I’d handle the draft no clue about free agency.
i think #6 could be dangled to a team like the Cowboys. You move back and take your OT. With the additional pick acquired you take another lineman. I don’t want to see more than two rookie OLs on the field in September.
Id make a move for #1 WR so AJ Brown for the 24th pick. If the rumors are true. You get a proven #1 and take the guesswork away from Berry and he compliments the smurfs we have.
i think you have some value at 39 with another WR. Take one here.
And I ship 70 to a team for another lineman. You get a guy that is a proven commodity. And you take the guesswork out of Berrys hands
I havent touched free agency but we have two talented young lineman and younger established lineman.
You have Brown, Jeudy and a talented rookie in the WR room now.
I’m not crazy about rebuilding this WR and OL group 100% through the draft.
Here’s how I’d handle the draft no clue about free agency.
i think #6 could be dangled to a team like the Cowboys. You move back and take your OT. With the additional pick acquired you take another lineman. I don’t want to see more than two rookie OLs on the field in September.
Id make a move for #1 WR so AJ Brown for the 24th pick. If the rumors are true. You get a proven #1 and take the guesswork away from Berry and he compliments the smurfs we have.
i think you have some value at 39 with another WR. Take one here.
And I ship 70 to a team for another lineman. You get a guy that is a proven commodity. And you take the guesswork out of Berrys hands
I havent touched free agency but we have two talented young lineman and younger established lineman.
You have Brown, Jeudy and a talented rookie in the WR room now.
I like your idea of trading for a vet OLineman.
But boy oh boy, I hate the idea of trading the #24 pick for AJ Brown. He's a headcase. If he didn't like playing for a Super Bowl winner, he'd hate playing here.
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I’m not crazy about rebuilding this WR and OL group 100% through the draft.
Here’s how I’d handle the draft no clue about free agency.
i think #6 could be dangled to a team like the Cowboys. You move back and take your OT. With the additional pick acquired you take another lineman. I don’t want to see more than two rookie OLs on the field in September.
Id make a move for #1 WR so AJ Brown for the 24th pick. If the rumors are true. You get a proven #1 and take the guesswork away from Berry and he compliments the smurfs we have.
i think you have some value at 39 with another WR. Take one here.
And I ship 70 to a team for another lineman. You get a guy that is a proven commodity. And you take the guesswork out of Berrys hands
I havent touched free agency but we have two talented young lineman and younger established lineman.
You have Brown, Jeudy and a talented rookie in the WR room now.
I like your idea of trading for a vet OLineman.
But boy oh boy, I hate the idea of trading the #24 pick for AJ Brown. He's a headcase. If he didn't like playing for a Super Bowl winner, he'd hate playing here.
I like your idea of trading for a vet OLineman.
But boy oh boy, I hate the idea of trading the #24 pick for AJ Brown. He's a headcase. If he didn't like playing for a Super Bowl winner, he'd hate playing here.
I’m lukewarm warm to the idea.
There has been some drama part of it or what was reported - Hurts was more about inclined to say the offense was fine when it wasn’t fine and AJ Brown had some public feelings about it. Not crazy about a guy blowing up on the sideline with coaches and yes there is some head case moments. Seems like a player in need of a change of scenery.
having said all this the #24 pick is a lot to give up.
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Here’s how I’d handle the draft no clue about free agency.
I think #6 could be dangled to a team like the Cowboys. You move back and take your OT. With the additional pick acquired you take another lineman.
I don’t want to see more than two rookie OLs on the field in September.
Id make a move for #1 WR so AJ Brown for the 24th pick. If the rumors are true. You get a proven #1 and take the guesswork away from Berry and he compliments the smurfs we have.
i think you have some value at 39 with another WR. Take one here.
And I ship 70 to a team for another lineman. You get a guy that is a proven commodity. And you take the guesswork out of Berrys hands
I havent touched free agency but we have two talented young lineman and younger established lineman.
Lots of good stuff right here^^thanks SB
Fred's off season Primer is here too https://247sports.com/nfl/cleveland-browns/longformarticle/cleveland-browns--274231243/
Looking around some Dallas forums.. Dallas fans don't like trading neither pick. They have no draft capital. Looming Pickins tag & defensive holes. GB has Dallas's next years 1st and no 2/3rd this draft. Trade comp has 2 options now.. Browns pick 1.06 3.70 & 5.145 OR 1.06 & 2.39 I've seen both rumored (pick 70 or 39 maybe gone)
I'm with you on only starting 2 rookies at OL..Favorite at this time? A game day ready FA at LT.>> GB FA Rasheed Walker/Bitonio/Wypler/*Loane/*Lomu/Dunker? (it's Feb.) D.Jones/ T.Jenkins/ Z. Zinter bench backups
Yeah! Berry likes trading for WR's....Love the player of AJ Brown..But not his drama package.. so at this time...
ESPN’s Bill Barnwell proposed a deal that would send Jaguars Brian Thomas Jr. and a 2026 fifth-round pick to the Buffalo Bills in exchange for Keon Coleman and Buffalo’s 2026 first-round pick (No. 26 overall).
How bout Juedy & we have 3 5th round picks? or Straight up for pick 2.39?
Go Team USA !
Lots of good stuff right here^^thanks SB
Fred's off season Primer is here too https://247sports.com/nfl/cleveland-browns/longformarticle/cleveland-browns--274231243/
Looking around some Dallas forums.. Dallas fans don't like trading neither pick. They have no draft capital. Looming Pickins tag & defensive holes. GB has Dallas's next years 1st and no 2/3rd this draft. Trade comp has 2 options now.. Browns pick 1.06 3.70 & 5.145 OR 1.06 & 2.39 I've seen both rumored (pick 70 or 39 maybe gone)
I'm with you on only starting 2 rookies at OL..Favorite at this time? A game day ready FA at LT.>> GB FA Rasheed Walker/Bitonio/Wypler/*Loane/*Lomu/Dunker? (it's Feb.) D.Jones/ T.Jenkins/ Z. Zinter bench backups
Yeah! Berry likes trading for WR's....Love the player of AJ Brown..But not his drama package.. so at this time...
ESPN’s Bill Barnwell proposed a deal that would send Jaguars Brian Thomas Jr. and a 2026 fifth-round pick to the Buffalo Bills in exchange for Keon Coleman and Buffalo’s 2026 first-round pick (No. 26 overall).
How bout Juedy & we have 3 5th round picks? or Straight up for pick 2.39?
Go Team USA !
Had no idea Dallas didn’t have a first next year. That’s good info and I could see them adding picks as a result and not subtracting this year.
They need defense badly impact guys. Downs or Style makes alot of sense. Downs who will not be at 12 or Styles who is trending in the direction of potentially being at the end of the top 10. The way the draft shakes out the defensive guys are going to fly off the board after Mendoza.
Im trying to talk a trade into existence at 6. I’ve been on Caleb Downs or Trade out movement for a month now.
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I like your idea of trading for a vet OLineman.
But boy oh boy, I hate the idea of trading the #24 pick for AJ Brown. He's a headcase. If he didn't like playing for a Super Bowl winner, he'd hate playing here.
I’m lukewarm warm to the idea.
There has been some drama part of it or what was reported - Hurts was more about inclined to say the offense was fine when it wasn’t fine and AJ Brown had some public feelings about it. Not crazy about a guy blowing up on the sideline with coaches and yes there is some head case moments. Seems like a player in need of a change of scenery.
having said all this the #24 pick is a lot to give up.
I’m lukewarm warm to the idea.
There has been some drama part of it or what was reported - Hurts was more about inclined to say the offense was fine when it wasn’t fine and AJ Brown had some public feelings about it. Not crazy about a guy blowing up on the sideline with coaches and yes there is some head case moments. Seems like a player in need of a change of scenery.
having said all this the #24 pick is a lot to give up.
Yep.
There's some guys at WR in this draft that I'm eyeballing for that #24 pick too
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If the draft was 5 OL to go along with Carnell Tate late in the first and a sprinkling of backup DB's who get PT on special teams, I'd call it a success.
That guarantees it won't happen.
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OL Tackles in a nutshell .. https://www.pff.com/news/draft-2026-nfl-draft-strengths-weaknesses-top-offensive-tackles
Not a real headliner.. most come with better pass rush against scores. While having Lower scores in Rush Blocking.. I've seen reports of NFL ideal Tackle weights now are 305 to under 315lbs. (ideal 307)
It seemed like, This Browns OL, could not snap out of a stance to move anyone when needing a yard last season. They need to be clocking some 10 yard splits & some other drills to find some movers against others will ?..
A Higher percentage of browns running plays seemed to run at Wypler/Teller RG and any JAG we played at RT.. So Right or Left Tackle won't bother me.. Any Tackle/Guard that can move/plant someones a$$ downfield in any quarter would be a positive in this class
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OL Tackles in a nutshell .. https://www.pff.com/news/draft-2026-nfl-draft-strengths-weaknesses-top-offensive-tackles
Not a real headliner.. most come with better pass rush against scores. While having Lower scores in Rush Blocking.. I've seen reports of NFL ideal Tackle weights now are 305 to under 315lbs. (ideal 307)
It seemed like, This Browns OL, could not snap out of a stance to move anyone when needing a yard last season. They need to be clocking some 10 yard splits & some other drills to find some movers against others will ?..
A Higher percentage of browns running plays seemed to run at Wypler/Teller RG and any JAG we played at RT.. So Right or Left Tackle won't bother me.. Any Tackle/Guard that can move/plant someones a$$ downfield in any quarter would be a positive in this class
OL Tackles in a nutshell .. https://www.pff.com/news/draft-2026-nfl-draft-strengths-weaknesses-top-offensive-tackles
Not a real headliner.. most come with better pass rush against scores. While having Lower scores in Rush Blocking.. I've seen reports of NFL ideal Tackle weights now are 305 to under 315lbs. (ideal 307)
It seemed like, This Browns OL, could not snap out of a stance to move anyone when needing a yard last season. They need to be clocking some 10 yard splits & some other drills to find some movers against others will ?..
A Higher percentage of browns running plays seemed to run at Wypler/Teller RG and any JAG we played at RT.. So Right or Left Tackle won't bother me.. Any Tackle/Guard that can move/plant someones a$$ downfield in any quarter would be a positive in this class
This is a wholesale problem in college football.
The current offenses are pass first. The days of braulers from the Big Ten on the OLine just lining up and beating the shit out of the guys across from them are long gone, and we see it now in the NFL. Physical run blocking is a lost art.
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Stole this from one of the better minds on the platform & one of the few people whose defensive work I follow.
I mentioned this as far back as week 1, where this clip is from - the Browns OL & running game needs to be priority #1 as defenses try to emulate the Hawks - Split safeties & limit the running game. You have to be able to efficiently punish 2hi shells otherwise your playaction game is going no where.
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Stole this from one of the better minds on the platform & one of the few people whose defensive work I follow.
I mentioned this as far back as week 1, where this clip is from - the Browns OL & running game needs to be priority #1 as defenses try to emulate the Hawks - Split safeties & limit the running game. You have to be able to efficiently punish 2hi shells otherwise your playaction game is going no where.
Stole this from one of the better minds on the platform & one of the few people whose defensive work I follow.
I mentioned this as far back as week 1, where this clip is from - the Browns OL & running game needs to be priority #1 as defenses try to emulate the Hawks - Split safeties & limit the running game. You have to be able to efficiently punish 2hi shells otherwise your playaction game is going no where.
I just spent about a half hour trying to understand what “cover 6/8” meant and this is the hot mess l got.
There’s 11 guys on defense. Help me out Tia.
Let’s say it’s cover 6. From front to back what is each of those players’ responsibilities in that play?
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Stole this from one of the better minds on the platform & one of the few people whose defensive work I follow.
I mentioned this as far back as week 1, where this clip is from - the Browns OL & running game needs to be priority #1 as defenses try to emulate the Hawks - Split safeties & limit the running game. You have to be able to efficiently punish 2hi shells otherwise your playaction game is going no where.
the Browns OL & running game needs to be priority #1 as defenses try to emulate the Hawks - Split safeties & limit the running game.
No shit Sherlock! ( please take that statement meant as 2 Browns fans buddies sitting at a bar having a beer & beer nuts ) Everybody knew we couldn't pass the ball. We ain't got no receivers ( or blockers, or a seasoned QB). All we had was Judkins and a couple of TE's. We HAD TO try and run the ball.
Off topic.....we are getting friggin' POUNDED by a blizzard here in southern New England. Where I am we may wind up with 30 inches. Fuck me!
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the Browns OL & running game needs to be priority #1 as defenses try to emulate the Hawks - Split safeties & limit the running game.
No shit Sherlock! ( please take that statement meant as 2 Browns fans buddies sitting at a bar having a beer & beer nuts ) Everybody knew we couldn't pass the ball. We ain't got no receivers ( or blockers, or a seasoned QB). All we had was Judkins and a couple of TE's. We HAD TO try and run the ball.
Off topic.....we are getting friggin' POUNDED by a blizzard here in southern New England. Where I am we may wind up with 30 inches. Fuck me!
No shit Sherlock! ( please take that statement meant as 2 Browns fans buddies sitting at a bar having a beer & beer nuts ) Everybody knew we couldn't pass the ball. We ain't got no receivers ( or blockers, or a seasoned QB). All we had was Judkins and a couple of TE's. We HAD TO try and run the ball.
Off topic.....we are getting friggin' POUNDED by a blizzard here in southern New England. Where I am we may wind up with 30 inches. Fuck me!
While I didn't get anywhere near the apocalypse level of snow, I live just off the Lake. So the wind has been unreal. That's a dangerous condition you're in bubs, be safe & stock up on survival gear.
I just spent about a half hour trying to understand what “cover 6/8” meant and this is the hot mess l got.
There’s 11 guys on defense. Help me out Tia.
Let’s say it’s cover 6. From front to back what is each of those players’ responsibilities in that play?
Best I can.
- Cover 6 & 8 are going to be match dependent based on pre-snap shift & routes post snap.
* When Fannin shifts to reset formation strength, creating a *true* ACE set (same amount of receivers either side and HB UC. Offset gun we call YO or YOYO) That's cover 6. The field corner has the field #1 matched in MEG beyond 5yards when he doesn't roll under. The field safety is eyeing Fannin as the #2 because he has to match him vertical unless he goes under as well. We designate a vertical release as anything beyond 8-10 yards. So if he goes under immediately, you're rolling over top flow side.
* When you see Fannin drag under, you see that same field safety rotate to create MOFC (middle of field closed) and shut down the post. Because he no longer has his tag to carry Fannin vertical in MEG as the #2. You may ask why he doesn't double the #1 in a traditional quarters sense? That's because it creates a huge void beyond just simple MOFO.
* The boundary safety in the cover 6 call pushes out over the numbers his side while the boundary corner (doesn't reroute the receiver) sits low and outside in cloud. That creates cover 2 to the boundary.
* Pair the MOFC transition from the field safety, essentially creating cover 3, w/ the boundary in cover 2 and you get what amounts to Cover 3 cloud. Split field coverage. Cover 3 one side, cover 2 to the other.
I have a lot of work to do and I'm trying to knock out Trinidad Chambliss, Ty Simpson, Pat Coogan (didn't forget) & Jayden Proctor all at once. I'll probably host a discord session this Friday. If you want, I can give you guys a walk through on the cover 6 & 8 meta that has now taken over the NFL. I'm pretty intimately familiar with these 2 high structures because we played a ton of cover 2, 4 & 6 when I was still cracking pads.
edit: Forgot cover 8. Seattle calls it 'Trix'. I'll try to make this shorter & easier
- Your cover 2 gets call to the formation strength. So if it's trips, you call cover 2 to trips and quarters backside to formation weakness.
- Biggest difference is that your backside quarters safety is going to roll and quasi "poach" that strongside #3 pushing vertical & over (provided there is no "fast" threat from his side #2) You can play a MOD to the boundary corner to cap the fade AND, depending on how routes develop, "buy back" the Trix safety to double a boundary #1. That's another big difference between 6 & 8.
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