Who do we have to play the offensive line?
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I’m not crazy about rebuilding this WR and OL group 100% through the draft.
Here’s how I’d handle the draft no clue about free agency.
i think #6 could be dangled to a team like the Cowboys. You move back and take your OT. With the additional pick acquired you take another lineman. I don’t want to see more than two rookie OLs on the field in September.
Id make a move for #1 WR so AJ Brown for the 24th pick. If the rumors are true. You get a proven #1 and take the guesswork away from Berry and he compliments the smurfs we have.
i think you have some value at 39 with another WR. Take one here.
And I ship 70 to a team for another lineman. You get a guy that is a proven commodity. And you take the guesswork out of Berrys hands
I havent touched free agency but we have two talented young lineman and younger established lineman.
You have Brown, Jeudy and a talented rookie in the WR room now.
I like your idea of trading for a vet OLineman.
But boy oh boy, I hate the idea of trading the #24 pick for AJ Brown. He's a headcase. If he didn't like playing for a Super Bowl winner, he'd hate playing here.
I like your idea of trading for a vet OLineman.
But boy oh boy, I hate the idea of trading the #24 pick for AJ Brown. He's a headcase. If he didn't like playing for a Super Bowl winner, he'd hate playing here.
I’m lukewarm warm to the idea.
There has been some drama part of it or what was reported - Hurts was more about inclined to say the offense was fine when it wasn’t fine and AJ Brown had some public feelings about it. Not crazy about a guy blowing up on the sideline with coaches and yes there is some head case moments. Seems like a player in need of a change of scenery.
having said all this the #24 pick is a lot to give up.
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Here’s how I’d handle the draft no clue about free agency.
I think #6 could be dangled to a team like the Cowboys. You move back and take your OT. With the additional pick acquired you take another lineman.
I don’t want to see more than two rookie OLs on the field in September.
Id make a move for #1 WR so AJ Brown for the 24th pick. If the rumors are true. You get a proven #1 and take the guesswork away from Berry and he compliments the smurfs we have.
i think you have some value at 39 with another WR. Take one here.
And I ship 70 to a team for another lineman. You get a guy that is a proven commodity. And you take the guesswork out of Berrys hands
I havent touched free agency but we have two talented young lineman and younger established lineman.
Lots of good stuff right here^^thanks SB
Fred's off season Primer is here too https://247sports.com/nfl/cleveland-browns/longformarticle/cleveland-browns--274231243/
Looking around some Dallas forums.. Dallas fans don't like trading neither pick. They have no draft capital. Looming Pickins tag & defensive holes. GB has Dallas's next years 1st and no 2/3rd this draft. Trade comp has 2 options now.. Browns pick 1.06 3.70 & 5.145 OR 1.06 & 2.39 I've seen both rumored (pick 70 or 39 maybe gone)
I'm with you on only starting 2 rookies at OL..Favorite at this time? A game day ready FA at LT.>> GB FA Rasheed Walker/Bitonio/Wypler/*Loane/*Lomu/Dunker? (it's Feb.) D.Jones/ T.Jenkins/ Z. Zinter bench backups
Yeah! Berry likes trading for WR's....Love the player of AJ Brown..But not his drama package.. so at this time...
ESPN’s Bill Barnwell proposed a deal that would send Jaguars Brian Thomas Jr. and a 2026 fifth-round pick to the Buffalo Bills in exchange for Keon Coleman and Buffalo’s 2026 first-round pick (No. 26 overall).
How bout Juedy & we have 3 5th round picks? or Straight up for pick 2.39?
Go Team USA !
Lots of good stuff right here^^thanks SB
Fred's off season Primer is here too https://247sports.com/nfl/cleveland-browns/longformarticle/cleveland-browns--274231243/
Looking around some Dallas forums.. Dallas fans don't like trading neither pick. They have no draft capital. Looming Pickins tag & defensive holes. GB has Dallas's next years 1st and no 2/3rd this draft. Trade comp has 2 options now.. Browns pick 1.06 3.70 & 5.145 OR 1.06 & 2.39 I've seen both rumored (pick 70 or 39 maybe gone)
I'm with you on only starting 2 rookies at OL..Favorite at this time? A game day ready FA at LT.>> GB FA Rasheed Walker/Bitonio/Wypler/*Loane/*Lomu/Dunker? (it's Feb.) D.Jones/ T.Jenkins/ Z. Zinter bench backups
Yeah! Berry likes trading for WR's....Love the player of AJ Brown..But not his drama package.. so at this time...
ESPN’s Bill Barnwell proposed a deal that would send Jaguars Brian Thomas Jr. and a 2026 fifth-round pick to the Buffalo Bills in exchange for Keon Coleman and Buffalo’s 2026 first-round pick (No. 26 overall).
How bout Juedy & we have 3 5th round picks? or Straight up for pick 2.39?
Go Team USA !
Had no idea Dallas didn’t have a first next year. That’s good info and I could see them adding picks as a result and not subtracting this year.
They need defense badly impact guys. Downs or Style makes alot of sense. Downs who will not be at 12 or Styles who is trending in the direction of potentially being at the end of the top 10. The way the draft shakes out the defensive guys are going to fly off the board after Mendoza.
Im trying to talk a trade into existence at 6. I’ve been on Caleb Downs or Trade out movement for a month now.
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I like your idea of trading for a vet OLineman.
But boy oh boy, I hate the idea of trading the #24 pick for AJ Brown. He's a headcase. If he didn't like playing for a Super Bowl winner, he'd hate playing here.
I’m lukewarm warm to the idea.
There has been some drama part of it or what was reported - Hurts was more about inclined to say the offense was fine when it wasn’t fine and AJ Brown had some public feelings about it. Not crazy about a guy blowing up on the sideline with coaches and yes there is some head case moments. Seems like a player in need of a change of scenery.
having said all this the #24 pick is a lot to give up.
I’m lukewarm warm to the idea.
There has been some drama part of it or what was reported - Hurts was more about inclined to say the offense was fine when it wasn’t fine and AJ Brown had some public feelings about it. Not crazy about a guy blowing up on the sideline with coaches and yes there is some head case moments. Seems like a player in need of a change of scenery.
having said all this the #24 pick is a lot to give up.
Yep.
There's some guys at WR in this draft that I'm eyeballing for that #24 pick too
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If the draft was 5 OL to go along with Carnell Tate late in the first and a sprinkling of backup DB's who get PT on special teams, I'd call it a success.
That guarantees it won't happen.
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OL Tackles in a nutshell .. https://www.pff.com/news/draft-2026-nfl-draft-strengths-weaknesses-top-offensive-tackles
Not a real headliner.. most come with better pass rush against scores. While having Lower scores in Rush Blocking.. I've seen reports of NFL ideal Tackle weights now are 305 to under 315lbs. (ideal 307)
It seemed like, This Browns OL, could not snap out of a stance to move anyone when needing a yard last season. They need to be clocking some 10 yard splits & some other drills to find some movers against others will ?..
A Higher percentage of browns running plays seemed to run at Wypler/Teller RG and any JAG we played at RT.. So Right or Left Tackle won't bother me.. Any Tackle/Guard that can move/plant someones a$$ downfield in any quarter would be a positive in this class
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OL Tackles in a nutshell .. https://www.pff.com/news/draft-2026-nfl-draft-strengths-weaknesses-top-offensive-tackles
Not a real headliner.. most come with better pass rush against scores. While having Lower scores in Rush Blocking.. I've seen reports of NFL ideal Tackle weights now are 305 to under 315lbs. (ideal 307)
It seemed like, This Browns OL, could not snap out of a stance to move anyone when needing a yard last season. They need to be clocking some 10 yard splits & some other drills to find some movers against others will ?..
A Higher percentage of browns running plays seemed to run at Wypler/Teller RG and any JAG we played at RT.. So Right or Left Tackle won't bother me.. Any Tackle/Guard that can move/plant someones a$$ downfield in any quarter would be a positive in this class
OL Tackles in a nutshell .. https://www.pff.com/news/draft-2026-nfl-draft-strengths-weaknesses-top-offensive-tackles
Not a real headliner.. most come with better pass rush against scores. While having Lower scores in Rush Blocking.. I've seen reports of NFL ideal Tackle weights now are 305 to under 315lbs. (ideal 307)
It seemed like, This Browns OL, could not snap out of a stance to move anyone when needing a yard last season. They need to be clocking some 10 yard splits & some other drills to find some movers against others will ?..
A Higher percentage of browns running plays seemed to run at Wypler/Teller RG and any JAG we played at RT.. So Right or Left Tackle won't bother me.. Any Tackle/Guard that can move/plant someones a$$ downfield in any quarter would be a positive in this class
This is a wholesale problem in college football.
The current offenses are pass first. The days of braulers from the Big Ten on the OLine just lining up and beating the shit out of the guys across from them are long gone, and we see it now in the NFL. Physical run blocking is a lost art.
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Stole this from one of the better minds on the platform & one of the few people whose defensive work I follow.
I mentioned this as far back as week 1, where this clip is from - the Browns OL & running game needs to be priority #1 as defenses try to emulate the Hawks - Split safeties & limit the running game. You have to be able to efficiently punish 2hi shells otherwise your playaction game is going no where.
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Stole this from one of the better minds on the platform & one of the few people whose defensive work I follow.
I mentioned this as far back as week 1, where this clip is from - the Browns OL & running game needs to be priority #1 as defenses try to emulate the Hawks - Split safeties & limit the running game. You have to be able to efficiently punish 2hi shells otherwise your playaction game is going no where.
Stole this from one of the better minds on the platform & one of the few people whose defensive work I follow.
I mentioned this as far back as week 1, where this clip is from - the Browns OL & running game needs to be priority #1 as defenses try to emulate the Hawks - Split safeties & limit the running game. You have to be able to efficiently punish 2hi shells otherwise your playaction game is going no where.
I just spent about a half hour trying to understand what “cover 6/8” meant and this is the hot mess l got.
There’s 11 guys on defense. Help me out Tia.
Let’s say it’s cover 6. From front to back what is each of those players’ responsibilities in that play?
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Stole this from one of the better minds on the platform & one of the few people whose defensive work I follow.
I mentioned this as far back as week 1, where this clip is from - the Browns OL & running game needs to be priority #1 as defenses try to emulate the Hawks - Split safeties & limit the running game. You have to be able to efficiently punish 2hi shells otherwise your playaction game is going no where.
the Browns OL & running game needs to be priority #1 as defenses try to emulate the Hawks - Split safeties & limit the running game.
No shit Sherlock! ( please take that statement meant as 2 Browns fans buddies sitting at a bar having a beer & beer nuts ) Everybody knew we couldn't pass the ball. We ain't got no receivers ( or blockers, or a seasoned QB). All we had was Judkins and a couple of TE's. We HAD TO try and run the ball.
Off topic.....we are getting friggin' POUNDED by a blizzard here in southern New England. Where I am we may wind up with 30 inches. Fuck me!
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the Browns OL & running game needs to be priority #1 as defenses try to emulate the Hawks - Split safeties & limit the running game.
No shit Sherlock! ( please take that statement meant as 2 Browns fans buddies sitting at a bar having a beer & beer nuts ) Everybody knew we couldn't pass the ball. We ain't got no receivers ( or blockers, or a seasoned QB). All we had was Judkins and a couple of TE's. We HAD TO try and run the ball.
Off topic.....we are getting friggin' POUNDED by a blizzard here in southern New England. Where I am we may wind up with 30 inches. Fuck me!
No shit Sherlock! ( please take that statement meant as 2 Browns fans buddies sitting at a bar having a beer & beer nuts ) Everybody knew we couldn't pass the ball. We ain't got no receivers ( or blockers, or a seasoned QB). All we had was Judkins and a couple of TE's. We HAD TO try and run the ball.
Off topic.....we are getting friggin' POUNDED by a blizzard here in southern New England. Where I am we may wind up with 30 inches. Fuck me!
While I didn't get anywhere near the apocalypse level of snow, I live just off the Lake. So the wind has been unreal. That's a dangerous condition you're in bubs, be safe & stock up on survival gear.
I just spent about a half hour trying to understand what “cover 6/8” meant and this is the hot mess l got.
There’s 11 guys on defense. Help me out Tia.
Let’s say it’s cover 6. From front to back what is each of those players’ responsibilities in that play?
Best I can.
- Cover 6 & 8 are going to be match dependent based on pre-snap shift & routes post snap.
* When Fannin shifts to reset formation strength, creating a *true* ACE set (same amount of receivers either side and HB UC. Offset gun we call YO or YOYO) That's cover 6. The field corner has the field #1 matched in MEG beyond 5yards when he doesn't roll under. The field safety is eyeing Fannin as the #2 because he has to match him vertical unless he goes under as well. We designate a vertical release as anything beyond 8-10 yards. So if he goes under immediately, you're rolling over top flow side.
* When you see Fannin drag under, you see that same field safety rotate to create MOFC (middle of field closed) and shut down the post. Because he no longer has his tag to carry Fannin vertical in MEG as the #2. You may ask why he doesn't double the #1 in a traditional quarters sense? That's because it creates a huge void beyond just simple MOFO.
* The boundary safety in the cover 6 call pushes out over the numbers his side while the boundary corner (doesn't reroute the receiver) sits low and outside in cloud. That creates cover 2 to the boundary.
* Pair the MOFC transition from the field safety, essentially creating cover 3, w/ the boundary in cover 2 and you get what amounts to Cover 3 cloud. Split field coverage. Cover 3 one side, cover 2 to the other.
I have a lot of work to do and I'm trying to knock out Trinidad Chambliss, Ty Simpson, Pat Coogan (didn't forget) & Jayden Proctor all at once. I'll probably host a discord session this Friday. If you want, I can give you guys a walk through on the cover 6 & 8 meta that has now taken over the NFL. I'm pretty intimately familiar with these 2 high structures because we played a ton of cover 2, 4 & 6 when I was still cracking pads.
edit: Forgot cover 8. Seattle calls it 'Trix'. I'll try to make this shorter & easier
- Your cover 2 gets call to the formation strength. So if it's trips, you call cover 2 to trips and quarters backside to formation weakness.
- Biggest difference is that your backside quarters safety is going to roll and quasi "poach" that strongside #3 pushing vertical & over (provided there is no "fast" threat from his side #2) You can play a MOD to the boundary corner to cap the fade AND, depending on how routes develop, "buy back" the Trix safety to double a boundary #1. That's another big difference between 6 & 8.
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OL Tackles in a nutshell .. https://www.pff.com/news/draft-2026-nfl-draft-strengths-weaknesses-top-offensive-tackles
Not a real headliner.. most come with better pass rush against scores. While having Lower scores in Rush Blocking.. I've seen reports of NFL ideal Tackle weights now are 305 to under 315lbs. (ideal 307)
It seemed like, This Browns OL, could not snap out of a stance to move anyone when needing a yard last season. They need to be clocking some 10 yard splits & some other drills to find some movers against others will ?..
A Higher percentage of browns running plays seemed to run at Wypler/Teller RG and any JAG we played at RT.. So Right or Left Tackle won't bother me.. Any Tackle/Guard that can move/plant someones a$$ downfield in any quarter would be a positive in this class
This is a wholesale problem in college football.
The current offenses are pass first. The days of braulers from the Big Ten on the OLine just lining up and beating the shit out of the guys across from them are long gone, and we see it now in the NFL. Physical run blocking is a lost art.
This is a wholesale problem in college football.
The current offenses are pass first. The days of braulers from the Big Ten on the OLine just lining up and beating the shit out of the guys across from them are long gone, and we see it now in the NFL. Physical run blocking is a lost art.
Yes and it has become a competitive advantage to embrace the physicality. In CFB you had two teams that could lineup and maul (Indiana and Miami) and they were standing at the end of it all.
NFL too Seachickens and the Pats same things
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No shit Sherlock! ( please take that statement meant as 2 Browns fans buddies sitting at a bar having a beer & beer nuts ) Everybody knew we couldn't pass the ball. We ain't got no receivers ( or blockers, or a seasoned QB). All we had was Judkins and a couple of TE's. We HAD TO try and run the ball.
Off topic.....we are getting friggin' POUNDED by a blizzard here in southern New England. Where I am we may wind up with 30 inches. Fuck me!
While I didn't get anywhere near the apocalypse level of snow, I live just off the Lake. So the wind has been unreal. That's a dangerous condition you're in bubs, be safe & stock up on survival gear.
I just spent about a half hour trying to understand what “cover 6/8” meant and this is the hot mess l got.
There’s 11 guys on defense. Help me out Tia.
Let’s say it’s cover 6. From front to back what is each of those players’ responsibilities in that play?
Best I can.
- Cover 6 & 8 are going to be match dependent based on pre-snap shift & routes post snap.
* When Fannin shifts to reset formation strength, creating a *true* ACE set (same amount of receivers either side and HB UC. Offset gun we call YO or YOYO) That's cover 6. The field corner has the field #1 matched in MEG beyond 5yards when he doesn't roll under. The field safety is eyeing Fannin as the #2 because he has to match him vertical unless he goes under as well. We designate a vertical release as anything beyond 8-10 yards. So if he goes under immediately, you're rolling over top flow side.
* When you see Fannin drag under, you see that same field safety rotate to create MOFC (middle of field closed) and shut down the post. Because he no longer has his tag to carry Fannin vertical in MEG as the #2. You may ask why he doesn't double the #1 in a traditional quarters sense? That's because it creates a huge void beyond just simple MOFO.
* The boundary safety in the cover 6 call pushes out over the numbers his side while the boundary corner (doesn't reroute the receiver) sits low and outside in cloud. That creates cover 2 to the boundary.
* Pair the MOFC transition from the field safety, essentially creating cover 3, w/ the boundary in cover 2 and you get what amounts to Cover 3 cloud. Split field coverage. Cover 3 one side, cover 2 to the other.
I have a lot of work to do and I'm trying to knock out Trinidad Chambliss, Ty Simpson, Pat Coogan (didn't forget) & Jayden Proctor all at once. I'll probably host a discord session this Friday. If you want, I can give you guys a walk through on the cover 6 & 8 meta that has now taken over the NFL. I'm pretty intimately familiar with these 2 high structures because we played a ton of cover 2, 4 & 6 when I was still cracking pads.
edit: Forgot cover 8. Seattle calls it 'Trix'. I'll try to make this shorter & easier
- Your cover 2 gets call to the formation strength. So if it's trips, you call cover 2 to trips and quarters backside to formation weakness.
- Biggest difference is that your backside quarters safety is going to roll and quasi "poach" that strongside #3 pushing vertical & over (provided there is no "fast" threat from his side #2) You can play a MOD to the boundary corner to cap the fade AND, depending on how routes develop, "buy back" the Trix safety to double a boundary #1. That's another big difference between 6 & 8.
I live just off the Lake. So the wind has been unreal. That's a dangerous condition you're in bubs, be safe & stock up on survival gear.
I should've taken the picture before clearing the driver's side. It was totally buried. Looked like a lump in the snow. (my new CX-5) You can just see the tips of my windshield wipers sticking out of the snow. All of a sudden, leaving one's windshield wipers up and off of the windshield so they don't freeze to it doesn't seem like such a good idea.
Radar looks like it'll keep snowing until around 7pm. (from 8pm yesterday)
BEING A BROWNS FAN IS A TEST TO SEE HOW MUCH YOU CAN TAKE -
This is a wholesale problem in college football.
The current offenses are pass first. The days of braulers from the Big Ten on the OLine just lining up and beating the shit out of the guys across from them are long gone, and we see it now in the NFL. Physical run blocking is a lost art.
Yes and it has become a competitive advantage to embrace the physicality. In CFB you had two teams that could lineup and maul (Indiana and Miami) and they were standing at the end of it all.
NFL too Seachickens and the Pats same things
Yes and it has become a competitive advantage to embrace the physicality. In CFB you had two teams that could lineup and maul (Indiana and Miami) and they were standing at the end of it all.
NFL too Seachickens and the Pats same things
I swear if I took over a high school team I'd just grab a 1962 Green Bay Packers playbook and run the Oklahoma drill in practice every day, and just dare the opposing teams to stop us.
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I live just off the Lake. So the wind has been unreal. That's a dangerous condition you're in bubs, be safe & stock up on survival gear.
I should've taken the picture before clearing the driver's side. It was totally buried. Looked like a lump in the snow. (my new CX-5) You can just see the tips of my windshield wipers sticking out of the snow. All of a sudden, leaving one's windshield wipers up and off of the windshield so they don't freeze to it doesn't seem like such a good idea.
Radar looks like it'll keep snowing until around 7pm. (from 8pm yesterday)
I should've taken the picture before clearing the driver's side. It was totally buried. Looked like a lump in the snow. (my new CX-5) You can just see the tips of my windshield wipers sticking out of the snow. All of a sudden, leaving one's windshield wipers up and off of the windshield so they don't freeze to it doesn't seem like such a good idea.
Radar looks like it'll keep snowing until around 7pm. (from 8pm yesterday)
Holy shitballs!
Last month we got hammered one weekend, where I live in NE Ohio got 9-10", my buddy in Clarion, PA got 23".
But you got ANNIHILATED.
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I live just off the Lake. So the wind has been unreal. That's a dangerous condition you're in bubs, be safe & stock up on survival gear.
I should've taken the picture before clearing the driver's side. It was totally buried. Looked like a lump in the snow. (my new CX-5) You can just see the tips of my windshield wipers sticking out of the snow. All of a sudden, leaving one's windshield wipers up and off of the windshield so they don't freeze to it doesn't seem like such a good idea.
Radar looks like it'll keep snowing until around 7pm. (from 8pm yesterday)
I should've taken the picture before clearing the driver's side. It was totally buried. Looked like a lump in the snow. (my new CX-5) You can just see the tips of my windshield wipers sticking out of the snow. All of a sudden, leaving one's windshield wipers up and off of the windshield so they don't freeze to it doesn't seem like such a good idea.
Radar looks like it'll keep snowing until around 7pm. (from 8pm yesterday)
WOW. I wish we could get that much snow, I want to use our snowblower more. lol
I suggest a Bluetti solar generator. We have a small one, a 55, it's light enough to take camping, but it is strong enough that we had an outage for a few days once, and used it to get our fridge and freezer running again to keep them cold. There are bigger ones, but the Bluetti has the lithium batteries that will last longer and work better.
We can still heat our home, with the wood-burning fireplace insert, which is enclosed and use the Bluetti to run the little fan that puts out that hot air. Plus, we could cook over the front 5" edge of the insert. Good luck with all that snow. That's amazing.
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I should've taken the picture before clearing the driver's side. It was totally buried. Looked like a lump in the snow. (my new CX-5) You can just see the tips of my windshield wipers sticking out of the snow. All of a sudden, leaving one's windshield wipers up and off of the windshield so they don't freeze to it doesn't seem like such a good idea.
Radar looks like it'll keep snowing until around 7pm. (from 8pm yesterday)
Holy shitballs!
Last month we got hammered one weekend, where I live in NE Ohio got 9-10", my buddy in Clarion, PA got 23".
But you got ANNIHILATED.
Holy shitballs!
Last month we got hammered one weekend, where I live in NE Ohio got 9-10", my buddy in Clarion, PA got 23".
But you got ANNIHILATED.
Yeah. At 1 pm at the Providence airport (TF Green, 9 miles away) they reported 32.8 inches. A new single storm record for the Providence area. (I'm 2 towns from Prov.)
I'm going back outside to peck away at making a path from our back porch door, around to the driveway. It's way too high for my (good sized) snow thrower. And then after that, to the shed and behind it where my dog likes to do his business. The friggin' drifts are chest high.
I Want A Dome!
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Yes and it has become a competitive advantage to embrace the physicality. In CFB you had two teams that could lineup and maul (Indiana and Miami) and they were standing at the end of it all.
NFL too Seachickens and the Pats same things
I swear if I took over a high school team I'd just grab a 1962 Green Bay Packers playbook and run the Oklahoma drill in practice every day, and just dare the opposing teams to stop us.
I swear if I took over a high school team I'd just grab a 1962 Green Bay Packers playbook and run the Oklahoma drill in practice every day, and just dare the opposing teams to stop us.
I hear you.
but You would get run out by a Mom that cries to the school board.
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I hope l never have to watch KT Leveston play football again.
It would be cool if Zinter flips the switch and earns the job. Wypler too.
Jones has had moments, but injuries.
Tevin Jenkins showed some promise, yeah?
I also do not want to watch Cornelius Lucas play football again.
I don’t know who the other guys are but l think Jeremiah Byers makes the team.
I hope l never have to watch KT Leveston play football again.
It would be cool if Zinter flips the switch and earns the job. Wypler too.
Jones has had moments, but injuries.
Tevin Jenkins showed some promise, yeah?
I also do not want to watch Cornelius Lucas play football again.
I don’t know who the other guys are but l think Jeremiah Byers makes the team.
At least at tackle. I think he has some of the traits needed to be decent at guard.
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