Who do we have to play the offensive line?
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It's never a good sign when they have players playing other positions, just for a look see. Especially when you are an OT and they want to see what you look like at center.
The thing that surprised me is after playing most-all of last season at about 300 lbs - he weighed in at the Combine at 291. That doesn't seem like RT or OG weight but sometimes a Center can get away with it as well as with shorter arms. I used to admire Mike Baab in the 80s for being a scrappy and efficient Center despite being an under-sized Center at a playing weight hovering around 260 lbs. Then someone got excited about the size U of Miami's Gregg Rakoczy at 290+ lbs. Before we knew it, the Browns brought Mike Baab ight back home here where he belonged.
FWIW, Fano could have dropped that weight to better his times. Worth noting: Warhop was running some OL drills at the Combine so that idea to have Fano doing some snapping could be telling us what the Browns are thinking or playing a little Poker with other teams. Who knows this time of year?
Warhop was running some OL drills at the Combine so that idea to have Fano doing some snapping could be telling us what the Browns are thinking or playing a little Poker with other teams. Who knows this time of year?
Yeah, it's the silly season before the draft. And the worst thing is that during the draft, the Browns have a habit of doing the silliest things. You know, like take a midget left handed QB in the 3rd.
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Warhop was running some OL drills at the Combine so that idea to have Fano doing some snapping could be telling us what the Browns are thinking or playing a little Poker with other teams. Who knows this time of year?
Yeah, it's the silly season before the draft. And the worst thing is that during the draft, the Browns have a habit of doing the silliest things. You know, like take a midget left handed QB in the 3rd.
Yeah, it's the silly season before the draft. And the worst thing is that during the draft, the Browns have a habit of doing the silliest things. You know, like take a midget left handed QB in the 3rd.
Less than five weeks away!
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I'm starting to get cold feet on Freeling a bit, unless the Browns could trade down 10 or so spots.
His measurables are off-the-charts, but he's got 17 college starts and from what Brian Baldinger just said to the morning show on The Fan - he really needs to get stronger. He basically said that Myles in practice would make him his bitch.
This is a weird draft. It's a draft screaming for a trade down, but the problem is everyone can see it. Gotta hope some stud defensive player grabs someone's eyes and they just have to have him at #6.
SDBacker might very well be correct - the Browns if they can't move down should just take the best player available, and that guy almost assuredly will be a defensive one. I don't think Tate is worth that high of a pick, of all the great (edit: Ohio State) WRs to enter the draft in the last decade, he might be towards the bottom of the list. Jordyn Tyson is a great talent who can't stay healthy.
I'm starting to get cold feet on Freeling a bit, unless the Browns could trade down 10 or so spots.
His measurables are off-the-charts, but he's got 17 college starts and from what Brian Baldinger just said to the morning show on The Fan - he really needs to get stronger. He basically said that Myles in practice would make him his bitch.
This is a weird draft. It's a draft screaming for a trade down, but the problem is everyone can see it. Gotta hope some stud defensive player grabs someone's eyes and they just have to have him at #6.
SDBacker might very well be correct - the Browns if they can't move down should just take the best player available, and that guy almost assuredly will be a defensive one. I don't think Tate is worth that high of a pick, of all the great WRs to enter the draft in the last decade, he might be towards the bottom of the list. Jordyn Tyson is a great talent who can't stay healthy.
And freeling shoulder surgery last year. I don’t like that at all.
I’ll maintain we will have someone there at 24 to fill out the Oline.
we could double down the second day too, but I’d like to at least use one second day pick on a WR (rounds 2-3 sweet spot for WR)
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It's never a good sign when they have players playing other positions, just for a look see. Especially when you are an OT and they want to see what you look like at center.
The thing that surprised me is after playing most-all of last season at about 300 lbs - he weighed in at the Combine at 291. That doesn't seem like RT or OG weight but sometimes a Center can get away with it as well as with shorter arms. I used to admire Mike Baab in the 80s for being a scrappy and efficient Center despite being an under-sized Center at a playing weight hovering around 260 lbs. Then someone got excited about the size U of Miami's Gregg Rakoczy at 290+ lbs. Before we knew it, the Browns brought Mike Baab ight back home here where he belonged.
FWIW, Fano could have dropped that weight to better his times. Worth noting: Warhop was running some OL drills at the Combine so that idea to have Fano doing some snapping could be telling us what the Browns are thinking or playing a little Poker with other teams. Who knows this time of year?
The thing that surprised me is after playing most-all of last season at about 300 lbs - he weighed in at the Combine at 291. That doesn't seem like RT or OG weight but sometimes a Center can get away with it as well as with shorter arms. I used to admire Mike Baab in the 80s for being a scrappy and efficient Center despite being an under-sized Center at a playing weight hovering around 260 lbs. Then someone got excited about the size U of Miami's Gregg Rakoczy at 290+ lbs. Before we knew it, the Browns brought Mike Baab ight back home here where he belonged.
FWIW, Fano could have dropped that weight to better his times. Worth noting: Warhop was running some OL drills at the Combine so that idea to have Fano doing some snapping could be telling us what the Browns are thinking or playing a little Poker with other teams. Who knows this time of year?
Who knows, maybe a smoke screen.
Isn't fano pretty tall. Centers are usually a little lower to the ground. I loved Babb. Great player. I am not sure 260 would hold up at center today.
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I'm starting to get cold feet on Freeling a bit, unless the Browns could trade down 10 or so spots.
His measurables are off-the-charts, but he's got 17 college starts and from what Brian Baldinger just said to the morning show on The Fan - he really needs to get stronger. He basically said that Myles in practice would make him his bitch.
This is a weird draft. It's a draft screaming for a trade down, but the problem is everyone can see it. Gotta hope some stud defensive player grabs someone's eyes and they just have to have him at #6.
SDBacker might very well be correct - the Browns if they can't move down should just take the best player available, and that guy almost assuredly will be a defensive one. I don't think Tate is worth that high of a pick, of all the great WRs to enter the draft in the last decade, he might be towards the bottom of the list. Jordyn Tyson is a great talent who can't stay healthy.
And freeling shoulder surgery last year. I don’t like that at all.
I’ll maintain we will have someone there at 24 to fill out the Oline.
we could double down the second day too, but I’d like to at least use one second day pick on a WR (rounds 2-3 sweet spot for WR)
And freeling shoulder surgery last year. I don’t like that at all.
I’ll maintain we will have someone there at 24 to fill out the Oline.
we could double down the second day too, but I’d like to at least use one second day pick on a WR (rounds 2-3 sweet spot for WR)
I understand you not liking the injury given how hard it's been getting our projected starting OTackles to complete games and/or seasons. Definitely a concern.
Freeling had the shoulder surgery in January 2025. If there's a silver lining or temporary one, the best season of his college football career followed in the Fall of 2025. Not only that, he seems like the prospect nobody was mentioning a few months ago to one getting a lot of recent love and praise by draft analysts. As one knucklehead in the white noise section, I moved him up as far as wanting Lomu or him drafted to play LT here. That said, I'll keep an open mind toward other ideas for that LT spot.
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The thing that surprised me is after playing most-all of last season at about 300 lbs - he weighed in at the Combine at 291. That doesn't seem like RT or OG weight but sometimes a Center can get away with it as well as with shorter arms. I used to admire Mike Baab in the 80s for being a scrappy and efficient Center despite being an under-sized Center at a playing weight hovering around 260 lbs. Then someone got excited about the size U of Miami's Gregg Rakoczy at 290+ lbs. Before we knew it, the Browns brought Mike Baab ight back home here where he belonged.
FWIW, Fano could have dropped that weight to better his times. Worth noting: Warhop was running some OL drills at the Combine so that idea to have Fano doing some snapping could be telling us what the Browns are thinking or playing a little Poker with other teams. Who knows this time of year?
Who knows, maybe a smoke screen.
Isn't fano pretty tall. Centers are usually a little lower to the ground. I loved Babb. Great player. I am not sure 260 would hold up at center today.
Who knows, maybe a smoke screen.
Isn't fano pretty tall. Centers are usually a little lower to the ground. I loved Babb. Great player. I am not sure 260 would hold up at center today.
He's 6'6" like Pocic; BUT I agree with your thought process on all points made. And there was even concern about Baab's weight when they drafted the taller and heavier Rakoczy and temporarily let Baab go.. However, the Center lower to the ground that played with better leverage (Baab) returned after Rakoczy failed. A lot of DTs/NTs that weigh well over 300 lbs are on the shorter more stout sizes (about 6'1" to 6'2"/6'3" ish) so your point in bold above about Centers is a favorable height to combat the BIGGER girths in the inside trenches where more ideal pad heights and better leverages often win.
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And freeling shoulder surgery last year. I don’t like that at all.
I’ll maintain we will have someone there at 24 to fill out the Oline.
we could double down the second day too, but I’d like to at least use one second day pick on a WR (rounds 2-3 sweet spot for WR)
I understand you not liking the injury given how hard it's been getting our projected starting OTackles to complete games and/or seasons. Definitely a concern.
Freeling had the shoulder surgery in January 2025. If there's a silver lining or temporary one, the best season of his college football career followed in the Fall of 2025. Not only that, he seems like the prospect nobody was mentioning a few months ago to one getting a lot of recent love and praise by draft analysts. As one knucklehead in the white noise section, I moved him up as far as wanting Lomu or him drafted to play LT here. That said, I'll keep an open mind toward other ideas for that LT spot.
I understand you not liking the injury given how hard it's been getting our projected starting OTackles to complete games and/or seasons. Definitely a concern.
Freeling had the shoulder surgery in January 2025. If there's a silver lining or temporary one, the best season of his college football career followed in the Fall of 2025. Not only that, he seems like the prospect nobody was mentioning a few months ago to one getting a lot of recent love and praise by draft analysts. As one knucklehead in the white noise section, I moved him up as far as wanting Lomu or him drafted to play LT here. That said, I'll keep an open mind toward other ideas for that LT spot.
At 6….i want as few (no warts) as possible.
this guy wasn’t a thought until the combine - I’d rather the big guys show out on tape and not just in the underwear Olympics. Tape is good he was taken to the wood shed a little in the Notre Dame game last year…but just 17 games of tape.
shoulders in heavy contact sports or combat sports I’m no doctor but at 21/22 will that hold up at 25 or 30?
at 6 no thanks
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I understand you not liking the injury given how hard it's been getting our projected starting OTackles to complete games and/or seasons. Definitely a concern.
Freeling had the shoulder surgery in January 2025. If there's a silver lining or temporary one, the best season of his college football career followed in the Fall of 2025. Not only that, he seems like the prospect nobody was mentioning a few months ago to one getting a lot of recent love and praise by draft analysts. As one knucklehead in the white noise section, I moved him up as far as wanting Lomu or him drafted to play LT here. That said, I'll keep an open mind toward other ideas for that LT spot.
At 6….i want as few (no warts) as possible.
this guy wasn’t a thought until the combine - I’d rather the big guys show out on tape and not just in the underwear Olympics. Tape is good he was taken to the wood shed a little in the Notre Dame game last year…but just 17 games of tape.
shoulders in heavy contact sports or combat sports I’m no doctor but at 21/22 will that hold up at 25 or 30?
at 6 no thanks
At 6….i want as few (no warts) as possible.
this guy wasn’t a thought until the combine - I’d rather the big guys show out on tape and not just in the underwear Olympics. Tape is good he was taken to the wood shed a little in the Notre Dame game last year…but just 17 games of tape.
shoulders in heavy contact sports or combat sports I’m no doctor but at 21/22 will that hold up at 25 or 30?
at 6 no thanks
Appreciate the post! It's a very important point of concern in a draft that's supposed to be about what projects ahead from the adventures in the rear view mirror. FWIW, many of the mock drafts circulating out there from Draft Analysts before Freeling even did his physical fitness tests and drills at Indy were already moving him up their pecking order. That's not to say that some didn't do it after the Combine. I always remind myself the Combine never made Tony Mandarach an elite/good LT - just a REALLY rich young man that later became a reliable starting OG for a playoff team in Indy once he somewhat got his life together (for a little while).
I've noticed a frequent reluctance from many Analysts to specify Left or Right Tackle from the onset of pre-draft talk going into the latter part of the 2025 season when they're listing their top Tackles. Then there's an elite Beast/Warrior like Mauigoa that, according to some Analysts, may only be able to play Right Tackle at best or either OG spot due to arm length or feet/ability to move laterally. Okay, so the tape never confirmed him overcoming Gator arms in the trenches in their studies? Did it ever show him on his own in pass pro against a quality edge rusher? And did he pass or fail when it did? How often was there a mini entourage of 2-3 guys lined up to his right? I've never had all the information to crown Mauigoa as THE guy. AGAIN, I also understand your reluctance about Freeling enough to join you with no thanks at #6 overall. I'm going back to my first intuition hoping they draft LT Caleb Lomu. If it's not him, I think the most underrated LT in this draft class right now is Northwestern's Caleb Tiernan with 43 starts showing polish, experience and battle-tested empowerment on the edge in this 6'7" 325 pound prospect. Why does that mean anything? He can be available as early as #24 and possibly as silly as round 3 - which opens the Browns up for using the #6 on something else while they remain confident they can get someone at LT not as hyped up as all the mock draft/hearsay faves out there.
Every OT prospect has a weakness or concern as we head into a draft that isn't deep with starting talent at OTackle or LT in particular. Knowing how often I've bet on the wrong horses in the past, I thought I'd find a sleeper nobody is talking about at LT at this time with Caleb Tiernan. I know if I'm wrong he'll probably get re-named "Teargas" in here so... Do I dare say stay tuned???
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Most lineman have, even at best, *some* lingering shoulder issues by the time they end their college career.
Touch of arthritis, maybe a shoulder scope, and likely micro tears in muscle at certain points. So long as there aren't structural or nerve issues, it doesn't really bother me much.
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I understand you not liking the injury given how hard it's been getting our projected starting OTackles to complete games and/or seasons. Definitely a concern.
Freeling had the shoulder surgery in January 2025. If there's a silver lining or temporary one, the best season of his college football career followed in the Fall of 2025. Not only that, he seems like the prospect nobody was mentioning a few months ago to one getting a lot of recent love and praise by draft analysts. As one knucklehead in the white noise section, I moved him up as far as wanting Lomu or him drafted to play LT here. That said, I'll keep an open mind toward other ideas for that LT spot.
At 6….i want as few (no warts) as possible.
this guy wasn’t a thought until the combine - I’d rather the big guys show out on tape and not just in the underwear Olympics. Tape is good he was taken to the wood shed a little in the Notre Dame game last year…but just 17 games of tape.
shoulders in heavy contact sports or combat sports I’m no doctor but at 21/22 will that hold up at 25 or 30?
at 6 no thanks
this guy wasn’t a thought until the combine - I’d rather the big guys show out on tape and not just in the underwear Olympics.
Understood. But at the same time, I wouldn't mind having my LT be athletic, fast & quick. Would sure be helpful while trying to block a guy like Myles.
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this guy wasn’t a thought until the combine - I’d rather the big guys show out on tape and not just in the underwear Olympics.
Understood. But at the same time, I wouldn't mind having my LT be athletic, fast & quick. Would sure be helpful while trying to block a guy like Myles.
Understood. But at the same time, I wouldn't mind having my LT be athletic, fast & quick. Would sure be helpful while trying to block a guy like Myles.
He’s got great measurables, I’m also intrigued by him.
But he’s got all of 17 college starts and apparently really needs to get stronger. This is too much of a project for me at 6. I’d consider it down the draft a bit.
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Understood. But at the same time, I wouldn't mind having my LT be athletic, fast & quick. Would sure be helpful while trying to block a guy like Myles.
He’s got great measurables, I’m also intrigued by him.
But he’s got all of 17 college starts and apparently really needs to get stronger. This is too much of a project for me at 6. I’d consider it down the draft a bit.
I’m also intrigued by him
I'd prefer Fano. He was quite fluid in the combine drills also...and he can play either Tackle position. Lomu is also versatile along the OL. And then there's Intriguing Freeling. I see Proctor as the consolation prize for not being able get one of the higher rated Tackles.
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I’m also intrigued by him
I'd prefer Fano. He was quite fluid in the combine drills also...and he can play either Tackle position. Lomu is also versatile along the OL. And then there's Intriguing Freeling. I see Proctor as the consolation prize for not being able get one of the higher rated Tackles.
I'd prefer Fano. He was quite fluid in the combine drills also...and he can play either Tackle position. Lomu is also versatile along the OL. And then there's Intriguing Freeling. I see Proctor as the consolation prize for not being able get one of the higher rated Tackles.
What about Lomu?
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I'd prefer Fano. He was quite fluid in the combine drills also...and he can play either Tackle position. Lomu is also versatile along the OL. And then there's Intriguing Freeling. I see Proctor as the consolation prize for not being able get one of the higher rated Tackles.
What about Lomu?
What about Lomu?
I like him too.
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this guy wasn’t a thought until the combine - I’d rather the big guys show out on tape and not just in the underwear Olympics.
Understood. But at the same time, I wouldn't mind having my LT be athletic, fast & quick. Would sure be helpful while trying to block a guy like Myles.
Understood. But at the same time, I wouldn't mind having my LT be athletic, fast & quick. Would sure be helpful while trying to block a guy like Myles.
Absolutely. Since our season ended and we’ve jumped into draft mode I’ve thought we need major help on the offensive line. You can get there many ways. We are getting there now in free agency.
I don’t see a blindside protector worth a sixth overall pick but i believe Lomu, Miller, Freeling all or at least one will be there 24.
Reaching at 6 is massive waste of an asset.
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What about Lomu?
I like him too.
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